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What To Watch For - Denver at Kansas City

Denver stands at 3-5, but remains only one game out of the division race for a playoff spot.  The team is bloodied as the injured reserve list rises.  The team is battered by a horrific run defense.  And now the Blue and Orange go to our toughest venue over the years; Arrowhead Stadium.  All hope seems lost.

But wait!  Could it be?  Is that a flicker of hope on the horizon?

Let's break down the Xs and Os and look.

1. KC rush vs. DEN rush DEF

Denver's rush defense has looked ugly.  KC's rush offense looks ugly.  What does the scheme match-up tell us?  Let's take a quick review of the Bates system.

Let's start calling the Bates sytem by its proper name; Run Containment System.  It is a hard system to learn, as it doesn't focus on man or zone (the two techniques most of us are familiar with).  The system hopes to force the pass, and shutdown the run.  

To review, the OLBs sole job is to prevent a RB from getting to the sideline on a sweep.  They don't tackle the RB, because a blown tackle leaves no one to cover the run down the sideline.  Instead, the OLBs stay between the runner and the sideline, trying to force the runner to cut back (towards the other 10 defensive players).  It takes a smart (and self disciplined) player to accomplish this.  

The DEs line up wide and rush the passer on most every play, almost inviting (tempting) the RBs to run between the DEs and DTs.  The DTs get little glory or little stats.  They plug up the center of the o-line without penetrating.

The runner that goes up the gut (or that gets "vectored" towards the gut) is now between the DEs / OLBs (who collapse the run zone from the outside) and the DTs (who must shift from holding the line to a pivot and tackle).  The trap door is the MLB in run zone, who has been protected by the DTs.  The MLB makes the majority of tackles.  With poor play by the DTs, the system fails.

CBs play man, and the safeties should play deep pass zones.  (People seeing the formation and seeing the zones of the MLB and the safeties might think this is cover two.  It is not.  Cover two is a system, NOT a formation).

How do we match with KC?

First the bad news: We haven't been executing the system well.  

  • Our DTs haven't held the line.
  • Our OLBs haven't closed off the outside.
  • Nobody is tackling.  
That's as bad as it gets.  Point blank, learning the new system has been a nightmare and the run defense s-u-c-k-s.

Now the good news:

  • KC features a terrible running game.  It starts with Johnson at RB.  He has been awful, and his trademark power rushing techniques have done nothing for him.  So what?  According to the NFL Network (hat tip to Guru), Johnson is not only out for this game, but the season.
  • Back-up RB Priest Holmes.  Once in the elite of RBs, Priest came back to play with KC after an injury sidelined him.  He has been a shell of his former self.  The former speed demon is not the threat he once was, and was relgated as a back-up to a poorly performing Johnson.
  • To ice the cake, KC's o-line is one of the worst in the league.  They not only have holes for the pass rush, but they aren't clearing lanes with their man-on block technique.
I can never tell if a team is going to show up or not.  On paper, matching the KC run game against our Run defense we should come out on top.

2. DEN pass DEF vs. KC passing

We should be man coverage with our CBs against a poor combination of KC receivers and Huard (who isn't a good QB).  KC has one weapon this year on offense, and it's TE Gonzales.  Once mentioned in the same breath as Gates from SD, Gonzales is a little slower than he once was, but he can't be taken for granted by any stretch.  Expect Bailey to cover him on some downs.  The depth we have at CB allows us to put a nickleback on either starting KC receiver.

Gonzales is the precious rare TE that can block and catch.  More on him later.

Our weakness comes in two areas.

  • Because of the poor play of our run defense, Bates has had to bring Lynch into the box to help on runs.  This hurts the pass defense plan, which really requires two deep safeties.  Even supermen like Bailey and Bly can get burned, but with two deep safeties we should be ok.  We won't have that second safety.
  • We just lost one of the few men on our defense playing like a pro.  DE and pass rusher Jarvis Moss is out for the season (broken shin in practice).  He was a bright spot.  Crowder and Dumerville have been good, and Rice has been a dissapointment.  The d-backs need an effective pass rush to help them (especialy with the "loss" of a pass coverage safety in this match-up), and Moss helps to ensure that.  Denver just made some moves this week and aquired several DEs that few people have heard of.  Can they get the job done?
I believe we are ok at pass defense in this game.  This isn't Favre we're up against, and this isn't a talented receiving corps.  Better yet, our rushers (and the holding DTs) face a poor KC o-line.  The offensive coordiantor of KC has to ask himself, "Do I put my best receiver (TE Gonzales) out to catch, or do I keep him in to block?".  KC doesn't feature a threatening second TE, nor a threat from a rushing or catching FB.  The FB will focus on run and pass blocks.

To summarize the KC offense, they can't manage the game or control the clock without a solid rushing game or an excellent pass game.  This robs them of several options when trying to figure out how to force Denver into playing their game.  Right now, they are playing a vanilla offensive system.  Fans in KC have been calling for Herm Edwards head, accusing him of not opening up the playbook.  Given the current talent pool, he doesn't have much choice.

3. The KC Defense

KC features a good but not great defense.  They have a very good pass rush with the front four (they run 4-3), so I wouldn't expect a lot of blitzes.  They run the Tampa variation of the cover-2 (aren't you guys getting sick of it?  We're matched against almost every Tampa-2 team this year!).  

However, the giant question mark for this game is whether Jay Cutler can play or not.  I like Ramsey at back-up.  Lost in the blowout with Detroit was this gem:

Ramsey completed 29 of 46 for 262 yards.  He had one TD and 1 INT.

I continue to believe Ramsey is underrated.  However, I would rather have Cutler in the game.  One key is Cutler's mobility (and Ramsey's lack thereof).  Once flushed out of the pocket Cutler can make plays on the run.  Even running the Tampa-2, I don't expect KC to occasionaly blitz corners (as with DET), and I don't expect a blitzing safety.  The zone blitz is also not in play this game.

All of this mean the blitz should be inside to the outside (great for a scrambling QB like Cutler).  A pocket kind of guy like Ramsey would prefer an outside blitz to collapse the pocket, but he won't get that kind of blitz from KC.

With Ramsey we shouldn't expect frequent play action passes like the bootleg because of his lack of speed.  In either case (Cutler or Ramsey) we should still see passes to the seam (the weak area of the cover two).  Scheff should be a target in one seam, Graham in the other (if the coaches trust Graham after a poor performance last week).  If Graham is not used as a receiving TE he will do a fine job blocking if we use any two TE sets.  

I don't expect to see many two TE sets like in the past, because Sapp (FB) should be able to effectively keep the front four honest by taking a rush here and there.  He is also a threat on screens.

If the running game goes well we'll see Graham line up at TE.  If not, and we have to go to a passing game (or we fall behind), it is fair to assume that Scheff gets put in to catch a few.

(A lot of fans may be upset at Graham's drops in the DET game.  Consider that he remains a great blocker.  Also consider that this was the first game he got the go ahead to catch passes.  He has looked excellent catching in practice.)

Henry may be iffy for this game.  He didn't play well against DET, and his bruised ribs may be an issue.  Young would be the fallback, and would do well on sweeps and screens.  The only change up option to run a committee would be Bell, who contrasts Young's speed with power.  The fans will want Hall (who has been great on STs), but his running style mirrors Young's.  If the zoneblock o-line can clear lanes for the one cut rush up the middle, then this won't be an issue.

We really want the running game to work.  KC is a difficult venue and very loud.  A solid running game can not only control the clock and set up the pass, but can wear out the fans.

4. Special Teams

It is now ok to say we have arrived.  Coverage is much improved, and so is returns.  Both Hall (RB) and Martinez (acting slot receiver) have been doing very well.

Woodson is a threat to return the ball for KC.  Bailey may be brought back for STs duty this week.

5. The Bottom Line

Instead of giving a summary of the information I've offered, I'm going to point out this little nugget:

We are one game behind SD and KC.  If we beat KC we are tied with them at 4-4 (and win the tiebreak).  SD plays INDY this week and should lose.  This places us tied at 4-4 for the division.  oak (doesn't get capitalized 'round these parts) is a game back and plays da Bears.

This game could be a great boost for the fans, who are not used to losing seasons.  It is in Kansas City, but many signs point to a good match-up.

Vegas thinks we lose.  I think it is too close to call.

So how about it gang?  Throw out your own opinion or questions!  See you here at milehighreport.com for the game while our fearless leader Guru blogs the game.

Go Broncos!,
Hoosierteacher

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Brilliant post.
You the man "dawg".  I won't need Guru to convince me to change my pick to Denver this week.  I'm with Denver all the way this time baby!

by Tim Lynch on Nov 7, 2007 11:15 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

I appreciate it Zap
I think the game is hard to call.  I like our defense on paper, but remember, the defense still has to show up.

I also don't know if Cutler will be ready to go or not.  Ramsey is better than most people think, but he isn't the guy I want against the Chief's kind of pass rush.  (They have a wicked good pass rusher at DE).

At the same time I think folks can lose perspective about where we're at.  Yes, it's a "bad" season, but it is for the rest of the division too.  I still think we're competitive in a weak division, and set (along with SD) for a strong showing next year.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 7, 2007 4:52 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice preview
Much better than the crap from Scouts Inc over at ESPN.  I used to respect their opinions but their comments about this week's game drove me to drink.

Describing the KC rushing attack:

The good news is they are playing against the worst team in the NFL when it comes to stopping the run. The Broncos are giving up 161 yards per game on the ground, and an average of 4.9 yards per carry. Their front four of John Engelberger, Sam Adams, Amon Gordon and Elvis Dumervil have struggled when trying to make plays at the line of scrimmage.

Their linebackers are all good athletes with speed and a good nose for the ball, led by middle LB DJ Williams who has 68 tackles so far this season. Denver defensive coordinator Bob Slowik will have to find ways to incorporate run blitzes, as well as sliding an eighth or ninth defender in the box, in an attempt to get the Chiefs to give up on the run.

I can almost forgive that they missed that Gordon had been cut (as well as later on when they mention that Brian Clark is our KR), but he hasn't even played in the last four weeks, let alone started a game.  It's as if whoever wrote the Scouts Inc summary hadn't watched the Broncos play in a month.

by MattR on Nov 7, 2007 5:43 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I wonder
sometimes about all the talking heads, from ESPN to CBS and FOX, the whole gamut.  I wonder how much football they really get around to watching and how much is just hurriedly looking at the box scores in USA Today.  I mean realistically I wouldn't expect anybody to watch more than a few a week, but I guess they get paid to so...

I probably won't score any points for this but I used to really like NFL Live on ESPN when it featured Hoagie, Stinky and Jaws, especially Jaws.  I just like how excited he gets when he is talking about good football, and for the most part I can understand his breakdowns.

But yeah, from SI (kill me please) to Scouts Inc., to the deplorable collapse of Sporting News over the last two decades, it is getting hard to find a single reliable source for football news on every team, without getting a glitz-and-glam bias, or an east-coast bias, or latest trend bias...sigh...

But hey, we broncos fans still have MHR!  I wish fans around the league as good a resource as this for their teams as well.  I am constantly amazed at how far behind MHR the Post (my original source for all things broncos) has become.  And a lot of credit has to go to all the rest of the Broncos Blogs and forums as well.  Broncosfreak is about as good of a one-page reference as you could ask for and Mason's blog is almost too good to be true.

by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 7, 2007 6:30 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Amen.
I get most of my Broncos news right here at MHR.  It often breaks here before everywhere else, and it's by a group of dedicated fans that get the story right and break it down well.

MHR is the best gift a Bronco's fan can get, and it doesn't cost a thing.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 7, 2007 9:38 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Not only that...
...but Slowik isn't our defensive coordinator either.

I can't get too bigheaded, since I make mistakes too.  I put down Hester as Detroit's returner last week before Guru cleaned up my mistake.  I knew he wasn't, but I listed him twice (he was on my mind from going over Det's game with Chicago).

Thanks for the compliment.  I promise I'll never charge a fee like scouts.inc does on ESPN, and I'll always own up to my mistakes.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 7, 2007 9:34 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

But...
"I can't get too bigheaded, since I make mistakes too."

Yeah, difference is they are professionals with fact-checkers, editors and proofreaders paid to write accurately about the teams they cover, while we're a bunch of (generally) very interested fans and hobbyists (your profession, notwithstanding).

If you really wanna read poor NFL coverage, try reading some of those Inside Slants over at USAToday.  Holy Jeebus.  I once found 4 contradictions in one article (e.g. A player is talked about as a starter in one graph, and then talked about being cut later in the article).

by jvill on Nov 7, 2007 9:53 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

True.
Imagine how good of a product MHR could put out if we had the funding to start our own magazine?  We could have "Mile High Report Magazine" and get filthy rich!

Take our writing, add in fact checkers, editors, and proofers, and we would rock!

But back to being serious, I never seem to notice the big dogs apologizing for their errors.  At least here if someone doesn't catch their own mistakes someone else will point it out pretty quick and it gets fixed.

Plus, to be honest, I just don't see that many mistakes here.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 7, 2007 10:08 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Technically,
Slowik is the Defensive Coordinator/Defensive Backs coach and Bates is Assistant head Coach/Defense (whatever that means)

by MattR on Nov 7, 2007 10:22 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Me too. n/t
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 7, 2007 10:51 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Whatever that means
It means the author of the article didn't do his research (like you did), he just looked at titles.

Bates is the assistant to the head coach, and would coach in Shanny's absence.  He also has Mike's authority on the field during practice and at game time.  He is the head coach of the defense (which is typicaly called "coordinator").

While Slowik has the "coordinator" title he doesn't do that (a fact the author skipped).  He is primarily concerned with the backs.  Bates is running the defense full time.  Because our coordinator (Bates) has the title assistant head coach / defense(coordinator), the open title for coordinator is being given to Slowik.

Slowik would fill in for Bates in Bates absense.  In that case coach Bradford would take over at backs.

On my team I was also assistant head coach.  My title was also "Assistant Head Coach / Defense".  The guys that had the title of defensive coordinator (over the years) typicaly were position coaches that could run the defense in my absense.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 7, 2007 10:51 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the explanation
Makes sense when you lay it out like that.

by MattR on Nov 7, 2007 11:01 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Deep Thoughts with Nobody In Particular
HT,

What do you think about:

  1. Moving DJ back to OLB and Nate Webster to MIKE.  Webster was MIKE in Cincy, and DJ doesn't seem to be getting it.  If Webster plays as well as the lackluster DJ at middle, but DJ plays an improved OLB, seems like it's a net gain.  (Ignoring the impact to DJ's psyche and all that, since we're just talking hypotheticals here..)
  2. Is Graham really that good a pass-catcher?  I seem to recall a promising drive toward the end of Week 3 (?) where a pass bounced right off his chest as he was running a slant behind the LBs, ending the potential winning drive and the (losing) game.  Saw some passes bounce right off his chest the past few games as well.  Considering he was grousing about not having balls thrown his way, kinda makes me wanna see him block a lot more.
  3. Has Keyshawn Johnson taken the place of Michael Irvin as the most annoying talking bobblehead on teevee?

by jvill on Nov 7, 2007 10:04 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the questions
1. You have a good point, and I imagine it is under consideration in the coaching circle.  But I don't think it will happen, and I don't think it should.

Part of the problem DJ is having is that the DTs aren't protecting him from the o-line on the rushes.  Another part of the problem is that this is the third LB position that the young Williams has played at.  It takes time.

DJ is an athletic specimen, and if he could adjust he would be awsome there.  Webster seems to overpursue a lot, which is an indication to me that his problem isn't adjusting to the system, but poor playing habits.  I don't expect him to be a starter with us next year.

2. Graham has looked excellent at catching in practice, and the team has wanted to get him into this role.  Throughout his time in NE and DEN (so far) he realy hasn't had the chance to play this role consistently.  His first chance playing as a receiving TE was the DET game, and he sucked.  But so did a lot of guys.  I'd hate to dismiss him after one very bad game.

Even if he doesn't work out as a receiving TE, he is an excellent blocker and worth keeping for that reason alone.  As a fan it's easy to get angry and want a change after such a bad performance.  But the coaches will probably be patient and consider his practices and give him a few more chances.

Because of the scheme match-up I don't expect to see Graham catching in two TE sets this game.

3. Yes he has.  His defense of bad behavior (like NE running up the score) on several occassions makes him look thuggish to me.  He rarely seems to take the high road when it comes to class and player observations.  Good call.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 7, 2007 10:23 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

re Keyshawn vs Irvin
at least Keyshawn hasn't stabbed anyone with a pair of scissors.  That's gotta count for something, right?

by MattR on Nov 7, 2007 10:31 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Yes, it counts for something.
But when you have to choose between the two for thugishness it makes the underlying argument that much more valid.  They both stink.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 7, 2007 10:40 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

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