Broncos @ Raiders - Game Day Open Thread - Fourth Quarter

by John Bena on Dec 2, 2007 4:22 PM MST in 2007 Denver Broncos Game Day Threads

Date: Sunday, December 2, 2007

Time: 2:05 p.m. MST

Teams: Denver Broncos (5-6, 2nd in AFC West) at Oakland Raiders (3-8, 4th Place in AFC West)

Location: Some Crap Hole in Oakland, CA

Broncos Tenth Drive cont....

--Travis Henry has the Broncos close to a first down...
--And Cutler has the first down...
--They are calling that a reception?????
--No, it is incomplete, and the Broncos face another 3rd down...Where is Brandon Marshall???
--Great pass to Stokely and the Broncos are inside the Red Zone again, with a first down...
--The Raiders came in as the worst rush defense in football...Not today..
--A flag, which should go against the Raiders, but Marshall makes the catch close to another first down...
--Measurement upcoming, and it will be first and goal for the Broncos...
--First and Goal -- Henry up the middle for his second TD of the game..TOUCHDOWN BRONCOS
--Raiders 24 - BRONCOS 20

Raiders Tenth Drive --

--Similar to the first meeting between these two, a double-digit lead has been reduced to 4 with a long, long way to go...
--Over in Arizona, Romeo Crennel went for and converted a two-point try to get his team within 3 at 21-18. Shanny, in the same situation with about the same amount of time remaining, decides against it...
--Time for another turnover..
--Nate Webster beat in coverage by a TE, just like last week against the Bears...Broncos simply cannot come up with a big play WHEN THEY NEED IT!
--Miller again, and Tight Ends continue to kill the Broncos...
--Give credit to lane Kiffin, going for the dagger right now, attacking the Broncos..
--Defense does make a stand, just in time for the Raiders to try another field goal...
--He just makes it, and I mean juuuuusssst...Raiders 27 - Broncos 20

Broncos Eleventh Drive --

--The Broncos, needing a touchdown, start from the 20. Still plenty of time...
--Well, so much for the comeback...Another pick by Cutler....
--Shanny will review it, but it was a good catch...
--It is an INT, Cutler's second of the day, and the Broncos are in deep, deep trouble now...

Raiders Eleventh Drive --

--Raiders are going to try and run now....
--Still plenty of time, IF the Broncos can force a punt right here...
--Incredible...This team cannot get out of its own way...Ever...
--Raiders throwing the ball....A bit of a surprise and it nearly cost the Raiders...
--Then the Broncos give up 9 on second and 10....Sickening..
--First down Raiders....but a holding penalty will bring it back...
--Was I the only one that knew a screen was coming?? Horrible tackling by the Broncos and that should just about do it...
--The Broncos are completely fooled by the bootleg, something they see in practice every day....
--A Justin Fargas TD, and like it or not Broncos fans, the Raiders will beat Denver today, and simply looked like a better team doing it...From the head coach all the way down...

I gotta run...More about this later, from me and the rest of you I am sure...

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Gah

These dinky 1 yard runs in the red zone aren't cutting it fellas

by binford04 on Dec 2, 2007 4:28 PM MST reply actions

The endzone is right there.

Right over there. It's been some time since you've gotten in there, guys, but you can do it.

Purple Row

"There is no substitute for victory." - Gen. Douglas MacArthur

by Russ Oates on Dec 2, 2007 4:29 PM MST reply actions

Why

is Henry still in there? We have a 6 four guy who is 230 pounds and can jump really high.

"Greater is an army of Faiduhs lead by a Bronco than an army of Broncos lead by a Faiduh."

by broncodude793 on Dec 2, 2007 4:31 PM MST reply actions

Henry

Don't do the Mile-High Salute.

And good td..

by binford04 on Dec 2, 2007 4:31 PM MST reply actions

A Marshall Catch!!!

"Greater is an army of Faiduhs lead by a Bronco than an army of Broncos lead by a Faiduh."

by broncodude793 on Dec 2, 2007 4:32 PM MST reply actions

Wooo!!!

TD -- finally.

by Silverblood on Dec 2, 2007 4:32 PM MST reply actions

good a score...

now hold them and get 7!

Hey O-Line!!! Block Somebody!!!

by mdierk on Dec 2, 2007 4:32 PM MST reply actions

Within 4 now

Come on, guys. Don't let the Raiders put together a drive, get the ball back quickly -- it's not that hard. Do to them what the Bears did to us.

by Silverblood on Dec 2, 2007 4:33 PM MST reply actions

Henry really is

Jekyl and Hyde.

"Greater is an army of Faiduhs lead by a Bronco than an army of Broncos lead by a Faiduh."

by broncodude793 on Dec 2, 2007 4:33 PM MST reply actions

I know we're down on Henry

But he IS our leading scorer this game. To some extent his short rushes up the middle are helping open up the field for Cutler.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Dec 2, 2007 4:34 PM MST reply actions

Another line

"Do unto the Faiduhs as the Bears did unto us."

"Greater is an army of Faiduhs lead by a Bronco than an army of Broncos lead by a Faiduh."

by broncodude793 on Dec 2, 2007 4:34 PM MST reply actions

"It was the best of times...

...it was the worst of times", HT Dickens

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Dec 2, 2007 4:37 PM MST reply actions

Be like the Bears, don't give up! Desmond Clark

(a former Bronco) just made a TD grab.

"Just say no to melting" Nancy Reagan, Denver's new lead protection coordinator.

by Arctic Bronco on Dec 2, 2007 4:37 PM MST reply actions

And right back the Raiders come

by Make It Rain @ Mile High Report on Dec 2, 2007 4:38 PM MST reply actions

The

Curse of Jake strikes again!

"Greater is an army of Faiduhs lead by a Bronco than an army of Broncos lead by a Faiduh."

by broncodude793 on Dec 2, 2007 4:39 PM MST reply actions

hold 'em to 3 and we still tie with a TD

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Dec 2, 2007 4:40 PM MST reply actions

This is a huge drive

And I mean HUGE. We may be out of the playoff picture anyway but this is as must win of a must win as you can possibly get. Plus it's the Raiders and I absolutely do not want to lose to the Raiders.

by Make It Rain @ Mile High Report on Dec 2, 2007 4:42 PM MST reply actions

Intercepted...

d'oh....

by Silverblood on Dec 2, 2007 4:44 PM MST reply actions

And that's how we respond

Sums up this season perfectly

by Make It Rain @ Mile High Report on Dec 2, 2007 4:44 PM MST reply actions

(sigh)

I don't think they'll reverse the call. Another turnover.

This team is so schizophrenic it kills me.

by binford04 on Dec 2, 2007 4:45 PM MST reply actions

Yep

"Greater is an army of Faiduhs lead by a Bronco than an army of Broncos lead by a Faiduh."

by broncodude793 on Dec 2, 2007 4:46 PM MST reply actions

Our D has to come up big time here

Or our season is officially over and we are playing for next year.

by Make It Rain @ Mile High Report on Dec 2, 2007 4:47 PM MST reply actions

I...Well... uh...

well hmm...

"Greater is an army of Faiduhs lead by a Bronco than an army of Broncos lead by a Faiduh."

by broncodude793 on Dec 2, 2007 4:48 PM MST reply actions

That was not a good catch by the way

Just not good footage of it. I have a good feeling he trapped it.

by Make It Rain @ Mile High Report on Dec 2, 2007 4:48 PM MST reply actions

Big time stop

Still alive

by Make It Rain @ Mile High Report on Dec 2, 2007 4:49 PM MST reply actions

penalty or not?

by Jeremy Bolander on Dec 2, 2007 4:50 PM MST reply actions

Nevermind

Why would it have been a legitimate stop?

by Make It Rain @ Mile High Report on Dec 2, 2007 4:50 PM MST reply actions

2 illegal contacts?

Who are these guys?

by Jeremy Bolander on Dec 2, 2007 4:51 PM MST reply actions

2 FBS

wishbone

by Jeremy Bolander on Dec 2, 2007 4:52 PM MST reply actions

And we are about to lose

To a team quarterbacked by Josh McCown. I am puking.

by Make It Rain @ Mile High Report on Dec 2, 2007 4:52 PM MST reply actions

penalty

holding Yeah!!

Fader football to the rescue!!

by Jeremy Bolander on Dec 2, 2007 4:53 PM MST reply actions

Why the hell not?

How did I know they would convert?

by Make It Rain @ Mile High Report on Dec 2, 2007 4:54 PM MST reply actions

Wow...

Garrard, Rivers, McKown, Kitna, Grossman....All qb's who have beaten us this year...

"Greater is an army of Faiduhs lead by a Bronco than an army of Broncos lead by a Faiduh."

by broncodude793 on Dec 2, 2007 4:54 PM MST reply actions

It's absolutely pathetic!

by Make It Rain @ Mile High Report on Dec 2, 2007 4:54 PM MST up reply actions

gaaaaaaaaaah..........

by Jeremy Bolander on Dec 2, 2007 4:54 PM MST reply actions

These Broncos

do not believe.

And so they do nothing.

by Jeremy Bolander on Dec 2, 2007 4:55 PM MST reply actions

Losing to the Raiders

would be rock bottom in an already incredibly dissapointing season.

by Make It Rain @ Mile High Report on Dec 2, 2007 4:55 PM MST reply actions

I can smell it now....

Top 20 draft pick bust...

we're getting shot in the ass by our inability to draft successfully.

"Greater is an army of Faiduhs lead by a Bronco than an army of Broncos lead by a Faiduh."

by broncodude793 on Dec 2, 2007 4:57 PM MST reply actions

And there you go

The 2007 Denver Broncos my friends.... Can we just forget this season ever happenned? Please?

by Make It Rain @ Mile High Report on Dec 2, 2007 4:57 PM MST reply actions

Hmmm...

Who should we draft?...

"Greater is an army of Faiduhs lead by a Bronco than an army of Broncos lead by a Faiduh."

by broncodude793 on Dec 2, 2007 4:58 PM MST reply actions

James Laurinitis? Dan Connor? Glenn Dorsey?

by Make It Rain @ Mile High Report on Dec 2, 2007 4:59 PM MST up reply actions

Can we bring in a new coach while we're at it?

by Make It Rain @ Mile High Report on Dec 2, 2007 5:01 PM MST up reply actions

at least one of my teams won...

KU won today in Hoops! It's basketball season boys.

Hey O-Line!!! Block Somebody!!!

by mdierk on Dec 2, 2007 5:01 PM MST reply actions

34-20

I feel... nauseous.

by Silverblood on Dec 2, 2007 5:01 PM MST reply actions

We hit rock bottom today

by Make It Rain @ Mile High Report on Dec 2, 2007 5:02 PM MST up reply actions

So... um...

We can only bounce up...?

What an abortion.

by Silverblood on Dec 2, 2007 5:05 PM MST up reply actions

The Big Debate....

Is it time for a new coaching staff?

I could put a Guru quote in here, but instead I'll say this. We need to draft and sign everywhere but CB and QB.

by broncodude793 on Dec 2, 2007 5:02 PM MST reply actions

I've been hesitant to say so

But yes, I believe it finally is. Shanny had a great run but we need some new blood in here. This season is just unacceptable on so many levels.

by Make It Rain @ Mile High Report on Dec 2, 2007 5:03 PM MST up reply actions

may we...

draft a great player...suspend Henry and get some people with some heart for next year.

Hey O-Line!!! Block Somebody!!!

by mdierk on Dec 2, 2007 5:02 PM MST reply actions

I mean from top to bottom.

I could put a Guru quote in here, but instead I'll say this. We need to draft and sign everywhere but CB and QB.

by broncodude793 on Dec 2, 2007 5:02 PM MST reply actions

hearts were broken in Chicago....

balls taken in Oakland...yech!

Hey O-Line!!! Block Somebody!!!

by mdierk on Dec 2, 2007 5:03 PM MST reply actions

Congrats

mdierk. You've made my sig line.

"Hearts were broken in Chicago...Balls taken in Oakland. Yech!" -mdierk 12/2/07

by broncodude793 on Dec 2, 2007 5:11 PM MST up reply actions

thanks....

it's an honor to be quoted in a tag line....along with McArthur!

Hey O-Line!!! Block Somebody!!!

by mdierk on Dec 2, 2007 5:13 PM MST up reply actions

And...

Walker...should he go?

I could put a Guru quote in here, but instead I'll say this. We need to draft and sign everywhere but CB and QB.

by broncodude793 on Dec 2, 2007 5:03 PM MST reply actions

No

by Make It Rain @ Mile High Report on Dec 2, 2007 5:03 PM MST up reply actions

Another Sunday

Another depressing afternoon.

We're gonna be 5-7, blegh.

What a forgettable season.

by binford04 on Dec 2, 2007 5:05 PM MST reply actions

Usually

It's being a Broncos fan that's fun and a Rockies fan that hurts, so it went the other way around this season.

by Silverblood on Dec 2, 2007 5:07 PM MST up reply actions

Don't

you mean unforgettable as we will always remember this one as we do 1999?

"Hearts were broken in Chicago...Balls taken in Oakland. Yech!" -mdierk 12/2/07

by broncodude793 on Dec 2, 2007 5:07 PM MST up reply actions

Okay,

I'll be the first to say it and I think Make It Rain will back me up on this.

It is time for Shanny to go.

We have said this so many time the past two years... "We got beat from the Head Coach on down..."

It should be the players screwing up, not the coaches. Time to can Shanny.

"Hearts were broken in Chicago...Balls taken in Oakland. Yech!" -mdierk 12/2/07

by broncodude793 on Dec 2, 2007 5:07 PM MST reply actions

Yep

Too many personnel mistakes, and I hate to say it but it seems like his genuis tag is really wearing off. He has become stale to these players. Sometimes a coach can wear out their welcome and it's just time for new blood. I fear that is the case for our Bronco's right now. I love Shannahan, he has been an outstanding football coach, the greatest we have ever had. But all good things must come to an end.

by Make It Rain @ Mile High Report on Dec 2, 2007 5:11 PM MST up reply actions

Coach?

Are you kidding? One of the most winningest current coaches in the league? We really ARE spoiled. How many losing seasons have we had under this coach? Compare our stats of wins against other AFC West teams, playoff appearences vs the rest of the West, etc.

You don't dump a coach over one season. Even if you did, who would you replace him with, and what kind of adjustment period would you expect? This is just silly.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Dec 2, 2007 5:08 PM MST reply actions

So does Bates

I'm sorry, we're 31st in the NFL in points allowed.

How was this better than Coyer. And believe me, I wasn't a huge fan of Coyer.

by binford04 on Dec 2, 2007 5:09 PM MST reply actions

No its not.

When was the last time we won a Super Bowl. That's the goal. He's not producing. I cant deny the stats, but if Shanny can't get us a ring, we need someone else who can.

"Hearts were broken in Chicago...Balls taken in Oakland. Yech!" -mdierk 12/2/07

by broncodude793 on Dec 2, 2007 5:09 PM MST reply actions

Hmmm...

If SB is the goal, and not getting there is reason to fire, either:

We're spoiled and very lucky to be fans of such a successful franchise, or...
Around 30 teams will get new head coaches every years.

Don't get me wrong, I almost threw a boot through my TV yesterday afternoon, and this season is depressing, but I have yet to hear an argument for why a new coaching staff would improve things, aside simply from being a different coaching staff.

One argument I could understand, for example, is why do the Broncos always seem to do something remarkably stupid every year? Like kicking to Devin Hester twice? Once, OK. But twice? Do other elite teams making such bone-headed moves every year because it doesn't seem like it.

by jvill on Dec 3, 2007 12:26 PM MST up reply actions

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by jvill on Dec 3, 2007 12:27 PM MST up reply actions

Coach isn't going anywhere.

Another moot point.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Dec 2, 2007 5:10 PM MST reply actions

Yea,

Bates, Shanny, Obrien, clean house. Blow it up folks.

"Hearts were broken in Chicago...Balls taken in Oakland. Yech!" -mdierk 12/2/07

by broncodude793 on Dec 2, 2007 5:10 PM MST reply actions

The strangest part about losing this game will be

seeing posts that brag about oakland having fans that shoot people and bragging that oakland has the 3rd highest murder rate in the nation. Very strange.

"Just say no to melting" Nancy Reagan, Denver's new lead protection coordinator.

by Arctic Bronco on Dec 2, 2007 5:12 PM MST reply actions

We're going nowhere.

We've been in decline for awhile.

Don't give me "essentially rookie qb, new d coordinator, d just waking up" crap.

You guys think this year is bad? Wait until all the vets retire...

"Hearts were broken in Chicago...Balls taken in Oakland. Yech!" -mdierk 12/2/07

by broncodude793 on Dec 2, 2007 5:12 PM MST reply actions

Vets retire

But won't we have more vets by then?

by jvill on Dec 3, 2007 12:30 PM MST up reply actions

When is the last time most teams won a SB?

If that's your standard you won't find any coaches at all. How many coaches have more than 2 SBs in the same period as Mike, and would they leave their team now?

Not gonna happen.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Dec 2, 2007 5:13 PM MST reply actions

Well

That wasn't pretty. Um... get 'em next week, boys? Look like you can play football out there? Something?

by Silverblood on Dec 2, 2007 5:13 PM MST reply actions

Being 5-7 in Denver

Unacceptable. It just cannot happen.

by Make It Rain @ Mile High Report on Dec 2, 2007 5:14 PM MST reply actions

Make It Rain

nailed it. The players are not responding to Shanny. 10 years since Elway. 1 advance into the playoffs. Not good enough. He's stale.

"Hearts were broken in Chicago...Balls taken in Oakland. Yech!" -mdierk 12/2/07

by broncodude793 on Dec 2, 2007 5:14 PM MST reply actions

what does it mean

"Players aren't responding to Shanny" ??

His job isn't to tickle their butts with a feather...

this is a complex problem without an easy solution, guys.

by Jeremy Bolander on Dec 2, 2007 5:19 PM MST up reply actions

HT,

10 years ago!

"Hearts were broken in Chicago...Balls taken in Oakland. Yech!" -mdierk 12/2/07

by broncodude793 on Dec 2, 2007 5:15 PM MST reply actions

How bout the rallying cry...

"Finally, nothing left to play for!!! Give em hell boys."

by Jeremy Bolander on Dec 2, 2007 5:15 PM MST reply actions

LOL...

I'm going to see if I can fit that into my sig, too.

"Hearts were broken in Chicago...Balls taken in Oakland. Yech!" -mdierk 12/2/07

by broncodude793 on Dec 2, 2007 5:17 PM MST up reply actions

5-8!

If I can get into my fantasy football playoffs with a 5-8 record, the Broncos can too! Well, 9-7.

(Am I reaching too much?)

Ah heck, I'm just so bummed -- I'm gonna go shoot a Chiefs fan in the parking lot.

by jvill on Dec 3, 2007 12:34 PM MST up reply actions

I think all the Chiefs fans left early too.

Sorry, maybe you will just have to cut block the maintenance staff instead.

"Just say no to melting" Nancy Reagan, Denver's new lead protection coordinator.

by Arctic Bronco on Dec 3, 2007 3:48 PM MST up reply actions

It's time

for the Broncos' equivalent of the Rockies' run: basically, win out and get some help along the way.

Purple Row

"There is no substitute for victory." - Gen. Douglas MacArthur

by Russ Oates on Dec 2, 2007 5:16 PM MST reply actions

Be honest now..

you were front and center for the Rox run.

Do you honestly see any of the tangible pieces in place for that to happen in this situation?

It doesn't seem very realistic.

What was KCs situation last year, when they made it in?

by Jeremy Bolander on Dec 2, 2007 5:21 PM MST up reply actions

And this isn't Shanny's decision,

It'd be Pat Bowlen's and I know he'll never do it, but he should fire him.

Blah Blah Blah Stats Blah Blah Blah. I'm going by what I see on the field and our supposed to be outstanding coaching staff blows more than Paris Hilton...

"Hearts were broken in Chicago...Balls taken in Oakland. Yech!" -mdierk 12/2/07

by broncodude793 on Dec 2, 2007 5:16 PM MST reply actions

Dude

Go ahead and blow the team up. See how you like losing seasons for the next ten to fifteen years.

Patience is why some teams (like Denver) are always near the top. You don't bring in a new coordinator and expect results right away. THe guy has an awesome track record, but it doesn't come right away. Mike is clearly one of the best coaches in the league. I'd like to hear who you would get in his place.

Blow up the team when we have our QB of the future in place surrounded by the talent he has? Thank God the owner of this team (who has mllions invested in the team, unlike us fans) has a sense of how to build and keep a team.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Dec 2, 2007 5:17 PM MST reply actions

Talent?

He's surrounded by Daniel Graham and Travis Henry. Javon who is hurt and Marshall are the guys I consider talented right now. Scheff should potential.

"Hearts were broken in Chicago...Balls taken in Oakland. Yech!" -mdierk 12/2/07

by broncodude793 on Dec 2, 2007 5:19 PM MST up reply actions

Chemistry

Stokley?
Selvin Young?
Andre Hall?
Martinez?

The question here has not been how to surround the team with better talent. Not two weeks ago there was talk of how, once firing on all cylinders, this was one of the best and deepest WR corps in the league. And the RBs look on par.

The question is, why isn't the team firing on all cylinders?

Some have said the coach isn't inspiring the team. I couldn't tell you, but that's certainly a better reason than saying the team doesn't have the talent. We were all excited out of our minds during the off-season when we saw this team put together. Talent on paper hasn't changed, it's getting it to click.

by jvill on Dec 3, 2007 12:46 PM MST up reply actions

Well, uh

I don't think we're going up now so what's the difference?

"Hearts were broken in Chicago...Balls taken in Oakland. Yech!" -mdierk 12/2/07

by broncodude793 on Dec 2, 2007 5:20 PM MST up reply actions

The 10 year grace period is over

This league is what have you done for me lately. If you asked Shannahan that, the answer is two straight years with no playoff appearances. That doesn't fly around here. 6 damn teams make the playoffs every year.

by Make It Rain @ Mile High Report on Dec 2, 2007 5:17 PM MST reply actions

Fine Dude,

...in the last ten years who has won more than two SBs, and would they come to Denver? Name your replacement. C'mon. Who? If your going to fire the guy I'd sure like to know who you have in mind.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Dec 2, 2007 5:18 PM MST reply actions

Look at Make It Rain's list

Only I'd prefer Garret first.

"Hearts were broken in Chicago...Balls taken in Oakland. Yech!" -mdierk 12/2/07

by broncodude793 on Dec 2, 2007 5:20 PM MST up reply actions

Garrett

Ah, finally, a name.

Interesting.

I know Jones said he wanted Garrett to... marinate some more before offering him the top job, and thus went to Wade, but interesting.

I'll leave it up to HST (or whomever else can say) to explain if the offenses are similar enough, but the QB, WR and RB play seems similar.

Of course, our problem has always been defense, so...

But an interesting thought...

by jvill on Dec 3, 2007 12:49 PM MST up reply actions

My short list of head coaches

1. Bill Cowher, 2. Jason Garret, 3. Bob Stoops

by Make It Rain @ Mile High Report on Dec 2, 2007 5:19 PM MST reply actions

Oh Rain, rain, rain.

What is their record of SBs in the same ten year period as Mike? Nope they don't come close.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Dec 2, 2007 5:21 PM MST reply actions

What was Shanny's

Before he got a chance to head coach? I'll give you Cowher, although he has won one Super Bowl and brings an extreme amount of toughness. Garret is an absolute gold mine in my opinion. He is going to be a phenomenal head coach someday. And Bob Stoops is as good as you can possibly get at the college level.

by Make It Rain @ Mile High Report on Dec 2, 2007 5:23 PM MST up reply actions

That's not the point.

We care about the ability to get to a Super Bowl and Shanny isn't producing.

To me, the grace period is over as is the Terrell Davis check. That was the last century.

"Hearts were broken in Chicago...Balls taken in Oakland. Yech!" -mdierk "Finally, nothing left to play for!!! Give em hell boys." -styg50 12/2/07

by broncodude793 on Dec 2, 2007 5:24 PM MST reply actions

Dude

Overlooking Walker, Stokely, Marshall, Martinez, Scheffler, Graham, Young, Bell.

I guess any year we don't win a SB you'll say I told you so. Most coaches don't even get to the playoffs. We've been so spoiled under Mike that now we're willing to throw him overboard? The losses in the transistion would last for years. That's why Bowlen isn't even thinking about it. Won't even cross his mind.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Dec 2, 2007 5:24 PM MST reply actions

You're right

The Cowboys are really suffering in transition. I'd hate to be them.

by Make It Rain @ Mile High Report on Dec 2, 2007 5:25 PM MST up reply actions

Ok

I find Martinez, Young, Bell, Graham, as not reliable for the reasons we have already discussed.

This isn't a Super Bowl winning offense. We need more than Brandon Marshall.

"Hearts were broken in Chicago...Balls taken in Oakland. Yech!" -mdierk "Finally, nothing left to play for!!! Give em hell boys." -styg50 12/2/07

by broncodude793 on Dec 2, 2007 5:28 PM MST up reply actions

Just say no to college coaches.

They have totally different skill sets, they usually make lousy NFL head coaches. It is ridiculous to even suggest college coaches (although I am sure that I am going to hear about all the exceptions, and I hope that nobody suggests Lane Kiffin(.

"Just say no to melting" Nancy Reagan, Denver's new lead protection coordinator.

by Arctic Bronco on Dec 2, 2007 5:25 PM MST reply actions

The last century...

was less than ten years ago.

It's a moot point. It's not going to happen. Bowlen doesn't make decisions based on a rare losing season. Cowher's SB win happened when his team squeeked into the playoffs as a sixth seed. Under your ownership you would have fired him at the halfway point of PITTs season.

Good night all. See everyone tomorow.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Dec 2, 2007 5:27 PM MST reply actions

Although we disagree on this

I respect your opinion and I agree Bowlen would never do it and that Shanny would have to step down. Just think it's time for a change. Have a good evening.

by Make It Rain @ Mile High Report on Dec 2, 2007 5:28 PM MST up reply actions

No

I wouldn't have evaluated until the end of the season because if you look back at their season, you would see why.

Then, ten years is an eternity in football. I'm not going to hold onto SB wins from 10 years ago. That's stupid. That check has been cashed. It's not a valid argument. This is a what have you done lately league.

"Hearts were broken in Chicago...Balls taken in Oakland. Yech!" -mdierk "Finally, nothing left to play for!!! Give em hell boys." -styg50 12/2/07

by broncodude793 on Dec 2, 2007 5:30 PM MST reply actions

Same here

I get what you're saying I just think it's not smart to hold onto SB wins from a decade ago.

I agree Bowlen would never do it.

However, we do need a new coach.

"Hearts were broken in Chicago...Balls taken in Oakland. Yech!" -mdierk "Finally, nothing left to play for!!! Give em hell boys." -styg50 12/2/07

by broncodude793 on Dec 2, 2007 5:31 PM MST reply actions

Keep Shanahan.

I'll give Shanny until the turn of this decade. I don't even want to think about getting rid of him or anyone on his staff.

by ejruiz on Dec 2, 2007 5:54 PM MST reply actions

Really?

No one on his staff? O'brien included?

by Make It Rain @ Mile High Report on Dec 2, 2007 6:08 PM MST up reply actions

Consistency.

At all levels of football, coaches are rarely given a legit shot at establishing themselves, their systems and their players. I'd be willing to stick with this crew for 2008 at least, if not 2009 as well. Honestly, I think they're all in the same boat and if it comes time to change, we should change them all. Personally, I'd give them through the 2009 season.

by ejruiz on Dec 2, 2007 7:08 PM MST up reply actions

There we go

100.

What's that?

Oh, you want a quality 100th post??

Tell you what...I'll make a quality post the day the Broncos give us quality from all three phases, instead of building us up just to let us down.

How's that for quality?

by Jeremy Bolander on Dec 2, 2007 7:30 PM MST reply actions

HOW YOU LIKE ME NOW DONKEYS!!!!

Your Franchise, like I have said many times before will always be mediocre W/O #7. The RAIDERS, who just spanked you while allowing a rookie QB and future Donkey killer play two series, are on there way back to the top. ITS BEAUTIFUL!!!

Just like us, YOUR PLAYOFF HOPES ARE GONE, NONEXISTENT, and you can all thank the RAIDERS for that.

I hope that you all enjoy that nasty taste in your mouths for the rest of the season and all off season.

HOOSIER TEACHER!! Looks like someone was mistaken... YOU!! AHAHHAHAHAHAAH!!! HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE SCHOOLED BY A RAIDER FAN AND THEN WATCH YOUR TEAM GET SPANKED!?!?!?

SLEEP TIGHT DONKEYS! AHAHAHAHAHAHHAH
OakFoSho

by OakFoSho on Dec 2, 2007 10:18 PM MST reply actions

Stay Classy...

Bronco fans. Let Sneaky once again make the crap hole on the other side of the bay from San Francisco proud.

Sneak, let me know when the Raiders reach .500 this "century"....

-TSG

www.milehighreport.com

by John Bena on Dec 3, 2007 5:56 AM MST up reply actions

Thats Funny Cause....

It doesn't matter. Neither team has Won a Super Bowl this century and in the end thats all that matters except.....

BEATING YOUR RIVAL!!

And that is exactly what the Raiders did to the Donkeys, so as I said before.....

How Does That Taste?!?!?

MMMM MMMM GOOD!!!

Sleep Tight, Love You Bunches,
OakFoSho

by OakFoSho on Dec 3, 2007 7:05 AM MST up reply actions

Ok...

Let me know when the Raiders get to .500 against the Broncos "this century". You won the game, nice job....but all the recent history you want to talk about -- 5 years, 10 years, 15 years, in this rivalry favors the Broncos...

Shanny vs. Raiders - 20-6

When you can sniff his jock you let me know...

-TSG

www.milehighreport.com

by John Bena on Dec 3, 2007 7:37 AM MST up reply actions

AHAH!! What Have You Done For Me Lately?!?!

The Reality is that the NFL is Cyclical. Between the Raiders and the Donkeys this also holds true. Before the mid to late 90's the Raiders utterly dominated the Donkeys for three solid decades. You have now had 10 of the last 15 years of solid domination of Oakland, as the Raiders did have that Chucky guy for a few years that were fairly successful.

However, the resurgence of the Raiders is obvious, and the Donkeys have been slipping further and further in to the realm of mediocrity since the departure of #7 and the career ending injury to TD. It is easy to see that the cyclical tide of the NFL has yet again shifted to the Raiders, and that is the reality of the Donkeys situation. Lane is changing the locker room culture in Oakland, and next years emergence of future Donkey Killa #1, J Money, and Future Donkey Killa #2, Bush, spells the end of this decent run for the Donkeys against the Raiders.

Also, this Donkeys run, while pretty dominant with 2 SB wins over the last 15 years, pales in comparison to the three decades of dominance the Raiders had over the Broncos.

But History is History, and I choose to live in the present, and that smells like roses as a Raider fan. Even if we lose the last four games of the year, all Raider fans will be happy that they beat the Broncos, ended their playoff hopes, and killed their season!!

AGAIN, HOW DOES THAT TASTE!?!?!

MMM MMM GOOD!!!

HELL, even sportswriters in the Denver Post have been asking if Mike Shannahan should be fired and replaced, especially since a pretty good coach named Parcells is sitting out there to be plucked out of retirement.

Now thats what I call the end of an era, and the beginning of a NEW AND BETTER ONE FOR THE RAIDERS!!!

HOLLA!!!!

Sleep Tight!! Love You Bunches!!
(Though I know you are all too disgusted to get good sleep)
OakFoSho

by OakFoSho on Dec 4, 2007 4:18 AM MST reply actions

AHAH!! What Have You Done For Me Lately?!?!

Also, this Donkeys run, while pretty dominant with 2 SB wins over the last 15 years, pales in comparison to the three decades of dominance the Raiders had over the Broncos.

AGAIN, HOW DOES THAT TASTE!?!?!

MMM MMM GOOD!!!

Now thats what I call the end of an era, and the beginning of a NEW AND BETTER ONE FOR THE RAIDERS!!!

HOLLA!!!!

Sleep Tight!! Love You Bunches!!
(Though I know you are all too disgusted to get good sleep)
OakFoSho

by OakFoSho on Dec 4, 2007 4:21 AM MST reply actions

better worry about...

the Packers

Hey O-Line!!! Block Somebody!!!

by mdierk on Dec 4, 2007 11:52 AM MST up reply actions

Sneaky....

So typical that you choose to look at specific things to make your points. That why debating a Raider fan is like talking to my 3 year-old....

You won the game and did the Broncos a favor in the process. 20-6 since 1995 is a record I'll take anytime, so in order to match Shanny's record against you, the Raiders will have to sweep the series 7 straight years...Good luck with that.

-TSG

www.milehighreport.com

by John Bena on Dec 4, 2007 7:06 AM MST reply actions

The way I look at it

The raider fans are in the same boat us Bronco fans were 15 years ago. The raiders were handing it to the Broncos on a fairly consistent basis. We were excited when we won and measured our season on that. Now the rolls are reversed and that's all the raider fans have to hold onto, beating your rival. Good or bad season, beating your rival(s) always makes the season better.

I can't blame sneaky's excitement. However, his tact on the other hand...., is what I expect from most raider fans.

by dpurvis on Dec 4, 2007 7:31 AM MST reply actions

It's cool..

to be excited...They kicked our ass, and I'm fine with that....Fact remains the Broncos are still 20-6 against the Raiders under Shanny.

One game does not change the fact that the Broncos continue to dominate this series...

-TSG

www.milehighreport.com

by John Bena on Dec 4, 2007 7:56 AM MST up reply actions

Ebbs and Flows!!

The NFL is cyclical. Considering that fact, the Raiders are on their way back to the top, and that is obvious. I would like to talk about the future from now on as IT LOOKS SO BRIGHT FOR THE RAIDERS, but I will take another look back for the sake of argument.

Yes, the Donkeys have had a nice run against the Raiders, as about 10 of the last 15 years have been pretty one sided. However, if you want to speak about history, the raiders crushed the Donkeys for decades (60s,70s, 80s, and early 90's), which makes the Raiders recent struggles look like a microcosm of the Donkeys. The Raiders have more SB Trophies, more conference championships, more division titles, and more franchise wins. PERIOD!! Nuff said!!

by OakFoSho on Dec 5, 2007 6:16 AM MST reply actions