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In defense of my previous diary.

First my thoughts to HoosierTeacher's in defense of post on offense being a bigger need than defense .

"DT - Rookie Thomas looked good when he finaly got a shot.  But he isn't domineering, and he needs help either way.  I think he is a future great at the position, but we need two DTs now.  Why?  Because we need at least three to four for rotation (include Thomas and McKinley).  We can debate on if Thomas is ready to start or not.  We need a bare minimum of 1, but really 2 DTs.  McKinley (like Thomas) is, in my opinion, solid as a rotational DT, but not a strong starter."

I agree we need one more good DT, but I don't think he needs to be great.  What I think we disagree on his how high of a draft pick, or how high of a salary this player will warrant.  I don't think anyone would disagree we need one even two DTs.  I just disagree on where we get them.  I think we simply need a big DT next to Thomas, what Sam Adams should have been when in shape.  I think Frank Okam from Texas in the second would work well.  However, if Patt Simms drops I would draft him over Okam, or if we trade back (as I want to)  I would like to take him late in the first.

"OLB - Wherever you think Williams should play (OLB or MLB), we need two more guys.  Winborn got signed to an extension, so he might be considered a project (perhaps for special teams).  But Gold and Webster did not perform well this year (and I say this as a big Gold fan).  Like DT, we need a bare minimum of one, but really need two."

I think Williams should stay in the middle.  Honestly, I would like Wilson on the strong-side, but I doubt that will happen.   I really think we only need one starting caliber OLB (Boss Bailey, or a 4th round pick).  I think it the poor performance of our OLBs can be improved through coaching and a better DL.  They were struggling with gap control and tackling, both coachable mistakes, the question is do we have the staff to fix that.  However, above all they were having to shed blocks to get to the ball carrier most every down, something that really shouldn't happen to all the LBs every play.  The OL is not supposed to easily get to the secondary.  So, I really think our LBs poor play had more to do with coachable mistakes and a poor DL, therefore they are not as big of a need as most say.

"SAF - Lynch may return, but his two neck injuries and the fact that he is slowing with age at the very least makes his value debatable.  He is good in zone near the line of scrimmage, but he can't cover a fast TE as well as he should, and his speed won't improve if he is needed in deep zone.  Hamza looks like a good fit for SAF.  Whether Lynch leaves, or stays to play a short yardage role, we really need a coverage safety."

I couldn't agree more.  However, from what I understand we will be running more of a 4-4 4-6 defense next year, similar to what we ran the second half of the year.  This would mean, assuming we don't bring in a safety, that Hamza Abdullah is deep, and Lynch is in the box.  This would allow him to do what he does best, tackle and read plays, and his speed would be less of a factor.  We cold simply run a 4-6 defense with nickel personnel, on passing downs, allowing us to put Foxworth at WLB, manning him up with the TE.  I don't believe Safety is as big a need as OT, WR (if Javon leaves), DT, just to name a few.

"So our biggest disagreement is on the OL.  First let me say that I agree with Styg's comment above that Pears is the real deal.  I think you sold Pears a little short, but I won't eleborate beyond Styg's comment.
Harris has been getting positive press from the coaching staff.  The word is that he has learned the scheme quicker than normal, and the staff is eager to get him on the field (this was well before Lepsis announced retirement).
I thought Nalen would retire, but it looks like he wants to stay another year.  He was on IR this year, and is an injury risk in my opinion.  But he still plays very well.  For Hamilton, read my comments about Nalen.  I advocate two OL pick-ups for depth in case of injury or to develop for '09 and beyond.  I think Hamilton is a serious injury risk; Nalen very much less so."

This is where the disagreement really comes form, I pretty much agree with HoosierTeacher on numbers of players needed for each side of the ball, it is simply priority that we disagree on.  I think in similar way to how we leapt at the opportunity to draft a franchise QB in Cutler, we should jump at the opportunity to get a franchise Tackle.

"5. I also agree with some of the commentors above, that we are already getting gashed by the run.  Our offense can't win games if opposing teams can control the clock.  We must fix our run defense."

I believe our abysmal run defense is a product of a few major components not related to personnel.  
First, it is chicken vs. egg whether the offense not being on the field causes the run defense to suffer, or whether the run defense keeps the offense of the field.  I really think both deserve some attention.  The idea that the offense getting off the field to quickly hurts the run defense does not apply to the Broncos of last season due to the large amounts of yards the offense compiled.  As far as staying on the field our offense was good if not great (just look at Cutler's third down percentage).  However, our offense could not score.  This meant the opposing offense would run the ball a lot, therefore leading to more broken tackles and longer runs as the game went on.  Opposing offense could run a lot because they almost never were playing from behind, and they need to rest their defense.  Now for the run defense keeping the offense off the field.  The Broncos were actually in the very strange position where teams could run so easily that they really weren't burning to much clock. Teams would just quickly march down the field when they could run.

"6. Also don't forget that the depth we build on defense has a direct correllation to our special teams personnel.  That's an area we need help in too."

I agree, however players that are taken to start on the defense often don't start on defense.  Therefore I don't see that as an argument for defense being a bigger need.
As for the great teams being great on both sides of the ball, well I disagree.  I believe they are great on one side of the ball and that makes the other side look much better than it really is.  They do have talent on defense don't get me wrong, they just have far more on offense.  I agree Sanders is a great player, just Manning is better.  I believe we have almost have the personnel to have a good defense, we just need the offense to step up.

I intend to write another diary that is more my own thoughts later tonight.

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I think you may be making some of my points.
On DTs -

We agree then on the need for one or two DTs, but you say he shouldn't be great.  I think there may be a semantical difference here.  A player shouldn't be picked up if he is just average.  I'm not using the rank in the draft as an indication of greatness.  The top OTs in the draft are not fits for our system, but the top LBs, DTs, and the top SAF are.  I wouldn't spend a high pick on an OT that we want that will be available in the fourth round because he isn't big enough for the other teams to be drafted higher.

We really want a late round, quick footed, athletic guy that we can develop over the course of a couple years for the zone block scheme.  That seems to be Denver's MO for o-line.

LBs -

Here too we agree that Williams belongs at MLB.  Wilson won't be back with Denver, and I don't think he would fit us on the strong side.  

I disagree that the LBs were having to shed blockers in '07:

  1. First, our MLB had no problem being the second highest tackler in the league in terms of tackles made (and he was the one behind the terrible play of the DTs).  He didn't seem to have the problem, so I don't buy that he was somehow immune.
  2. Second, I think the criticism against the OLBs has been missed tackles (and overpursuit in the case of Webster).  Missed tackles seemd to be the number one complaint about the LB corp.
If the problem couldn't be fixed with coaching over the course of an entire season, I don't see it being fixed without new players.  4th round is pretty low to fix 2/3 of a LB corp, and doesn't get the kind of impact needed to fix the problem.

SAF -

We seem to agree that Lynch shouldn't return, and agree that we will probably run a 4-4 with Lynch in the box.  My point on the need for a SAF is this: Lynch is playing in the box because he can't keep playing at a high level in deep coverage where he should be.  He's not there because it is the ideal place to put a SAF.  If we had a Brian Dawkins playing at FS we would be fine to run a 46, but we don't.  Rare is the safety who comes along in the draft as highly rated as Phillips, and we know that Lynch is probably in his last year.  We have a chance to make the pick, and most mocks (according to the database being updated by Guru) indicate that most experts take Phillips for Denver.

OL -

We both agree on the numbers.  That's a good start.  So my question is, do you want to keep the zone block system?  If you do, we need the players that fit the scheme.  Those players are really not the ones ranked high in the draft.  Thus, wouldn't it be prudent to hold off on the o-line until we address the other needs?  If we draft OL high, we will end up with lesser quality defensive players (and continue into '08 with a weak defense).

On the other hand, if we take defensive players high in the draft, we still have the guys we want for the o-line later in the draft.

Remember Foster?  He was an attempt to bring in an impact, big OT.  Didn't work for us; would have worked for most teams.  We don't want a Foster, we want a prototypical Denver project player with the correlating skill set for the zone block.

Chicken and the egg -

I would agree with you except for a few points.

  1. We couldn't tackle early in the game either, so it wasn't a matter of getting worn down.
  2. We were picking up a lot of yards on offense and all of our runners looked good doing it.  The defense had the time to rest.  Henry was league leader before he went down with an injury, and Selvin did such a great job when he started that people quickly forgot about Henry!  Then Hall came along and now people like him too (and he's only our third string).  
  3. They (the RBs) didn't just get those yards on their own.  They had help from the OL.  Cutler also had another good year, and cemented himself as Denver's future star.  Think he could have done that without an effective OL?
I think the OL is in good hands with solid starters in place.  The only reason I want two to three OL is because of depth issues.  We have potentials for injury to two of our players, and I expect retirements on the line next year.

Special teams -

We have a healthy and friendly disagreement going on all of the above points.  But this point is one I don't think you answered as well as the other issues.  

I wrote that, "...don't forget that the depth we build on defense has a direct correllation to our special teams personnel.  That's an area we need help in too."

My point was that anyone we bring in on defense that doesn't start will play on special teams and boost our coverage there.  If the new player starts on defense, then he bumps another player to STs that would otherwise play as a starter.  This boosts our STs very nicely.  I don't see your reply addressing that point.

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All in all this is a great conversation we are having.  It's a treat to have a high school aged fan give us a perspective from the next generation of Bronco troopers, especialy when the writing is solid and well thought out.  Don't take my disagreements as dismissive.  You are making excellent points across the board, and keeping me on my toes.

Great post!

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Jan 21, 2008 12:53 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

on special teams
that was the end of the article and I was spent...

I will address the rest tomorrow.

by calvinandhobbes on Jan 21, 2008 1:25 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

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