Can You Please Explain This To Me?

by saint on Oct 1, 2008 11:09 AM MDT Comment 33 comments

“When Shanahan left me, he went to Denver. He was there for about four or five years as an assistant and they fired him for insubordination,” Davis said. “Dan Reeves and he had a big battle. He went to the 49ers and he learned their style of football and when Dan Reeves failed in Denver, the first guy they had was Wade Phillips, I think, then he brought Shanahan back. And Shanahan had success. But Shanahan has an asterisk next to those two Super Bowls, because they were caught cheating.”

I was not aware that the Broncos cheated.

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Al...

….is probably referring to the slary cap problems the Broncos got into. Broncos were fined by the league. I forget the details, but it’s pretty clear the Broncos SB teams did not benefit from the mistakes made by some guy in the front office.

If there's gonna be a collision, you better start it. Larry Csonka..

by bradley on Oct 1, 2008 11:22 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Okay...So They Just Borrowed From The Niners Payroll Strategies?

Thanks

But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."

by saint on Oct 1, 2008 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

And Cowboys

"How do the berries taste Ralph?" Bart Simpson
"They taste like burning." Ralph Wigam
Broncoman

by Broncoman on Oct 1, 2008 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

There's been a few other fanposts on the question.

If you want to check them out, they are here:

http://www.milehighreport.com/2008/9/11/612745/denver-s-salary-cap-violat

and

http://www.milehighreport.com/2008/6/17/553604/shanahan-a-cheater#6811012

Finally, here’s an article from the Washington Post that people have brought up before which basically says the accounting issues arose due to difficulties the Broncos were having with cash flow after building the new stadium. The article mentions Al’s beef as well.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A28969-2004Sep17.html

by nburns on Oct 1, 2008 11:27 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Thanks

But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."

by saint on Oct 1, 2008 11:28 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just consider the source.

That’s ok with me. We’re playing for wins, not media publicity....HT 9/11/08

by firstfan on Oct 1, 2008 11:39 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Just consider the source....

I happened to catch a little tv coverage of the Raiders press conference to announce their new coach (Ithink his name is Tom Cable, who has been the O line coach). At any rate, the camera and mike catch Davis, before the conference starts, saying “Who’s going to introduce him? I don’t know anything about him.”

If there's gonna be a collision, you better start it. Larry Csonka..

by bradley on Oct 1, 2008 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I thought Cable

was one of Al’s boys…

"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game

"I love your analysis of our team. Its kinda like watching a spider monkey trying to figure out a jar of peanuts.. you know whats going on.. you know whats in there, but to actually figure it out, is just a bit beyond your mental skills..."
- Bronco Dano

by DesertBroncoFan on Oct 1, 2008 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

That sounds about right

I simply have no respect for Davis.

That’s ok with me. We’re playing for wins, not media publicity....HT 9/11/08

by firstfan on Oct 1, 2008 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Davis...

…according to usatoday, accused the Patriots of tampering with Randy Moss prior to last year’s trade. Davis is really something.
BTW, Tom Cable joined the Raiders as O line coash in 2007.

If there's gonna be a collision, you better start it. Larry Csonka..

by bradley on Oct 1, 2008 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I guess the microphones caught a lot

the SF chronicle’s Nancy Gay noted this:

At the end of the formal outing and trashing of Kiffin, Davis engaged in a customary chat with the Bay Area media. Before that began, a Fox television camera caught audio of Davis exchanging these words with his main consigliere, John Herrera:

“Did I call him a liar enough?”

Given the way he treats those who coach for him, The Raiders will never get a top flight coach as long as Davis is in charge.

"Don't be an ass!" --Bill King

by batgirl on Oct 1, 2008 1:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Amen Batgirl.

You go girl!

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Oct 1, 2008 1:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good job!

When with the fader nation wake up to reality!?

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

by Zappa on Oct 1, 2008 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

It all simply proves that.....

the “fader nation is indeed a conquered nation”

fader nation is a conquered nation

"Jerry Jones is Al Davis with a smile!"

The creator of the following names: conquered fader nation, Phyllis and his merry men

by mdierk on Oct 1, 2008 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I bellieve as Jim Rome says, they are the “Commitment to Excrement”

Mile High will NEVER Die!!!

by rynoz71 on Oct 1, 2008 2:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Don't forget "Team of the Defacated"

"If Denver beats us, I'll walk back to Detroit" - Alex Karras

by Denver Diehard on Oct 2, 2008 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ray Ratto

from the SF Chronicle

Then again, he [Davis] took Flores back after Flores’ years in Seattle, so maybe what we’re actually talking about here is Davis liking and supporting two coaches in his 45 years running the Raiders – himself and John Madden.

"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game

by DesertBroncoFan on Oct 1, 2008 2:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

He is still obsessed with Shanny

Al is a fool, and he keeps throwing good coaches under the bus. Lombardi was on Cowherd this morning and said Kiffen was set ip to fail. Kiffen wasnt allowed to speak with Lombardi at all. Kiffen when hired was not even a finalist for the U of Minnesota heach coaching job. Al gets what he deserves. Lombardi left because, dare he, disagrees with Al 1 time too many. He said he had a good 4-5 years there and the last 3-4 were HELL.

Life what do you mean life, I aint got no life- captive honour

by broncfanstuckinsd on Oct 1, 2008 12:02 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Al Davis is just a stupid b**tard. :P

Shanny has as many rings as Al Davis does…hahahaha Sorry Saint, but Al Davis is off his rocks as usual and full of crap as usual. Al Davis is mad as hell and isn’t going to take this anymore! At least until he fires his next coach next season…

The same Al Davis who has his players cheat as often as possible back in the good ole days….

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

by Zappa on Oct 1, 2008 12:33 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

al davis

posed as a reporter once, asking a bronco db(off the record) about exactly how they were going to play the raiders on sunday. he was an assistant with oakland at the time. that is cheating, my friend. al said it best when asked if he thought he would have to pay kiffin. “i will prevail, otherwise i wouldn’t have done it”. shows you where his head is at, doesn’t it? god, i love it. thank you, al!

hear me, perpetrators of bread crime, your punishment is at hand.
taste my blintzkrieg!

by davecheffy on Oct 1, 2008 1:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

You got that right Zappa

The same Al Davis who has his players cheat as often as possible back in the good ole days….

And then Davis said

""When Shanahan left me, he went to Denver. He was there for about four or five years as an assistant and they fired him for insubordination,"

I guess if you call Elway and Shanahans relationship insubordination on Shannys part. Ha! Reeves didnt like Elway and Shanny talking behind Reeves back, so he fired Shanahan. And Mr. Davis, it was only three years not 4 or 5, before Shanahan was released.

And then you could see how long Reeves lasted without Shanahan. One year without Shanahan, then Reeves was released by Bowlen. If there was ever a Head Coach with an ego, it was Reeves. Shanahan gets that a lot, but Reeves was worse. Remember the front page that said “Reeves, the most Powerful Man in Denver”? That got to his head.

"If Denver beats us, I'll walk back to Detroit" - Alex Karras

by Denver Diehard on Oct 2, 2008 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Awesome.

As long he is there running things I think they will lose. And that is fine with me.

by precisiontint on Oct 1, 2008 12:41 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Thats what I am saying

Al Davis (the current incarnation) is the best man for running the raiders into the ground, something all Denver fans want to see. I hope he lives to be 130.

"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway

by jibbons on Oct 1, 2008 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Right on Jibbons! Keep letting Al run the Raiders into the Ocean

The San Andreas fault piacticaly runs right thru Oakland. A San Andreas Earthquake could very well take Oakland out when half of California drops into the ocean.

“Hey! There’s a good pool question.”

What will push the Raiders into San Francisco Bay first? Al Davis or a SAF Earthquake?

"If Denver beats us, I'll walk back to Detroit" - Alex Karras

by Denver Diehard on Oct 3, 2008 1:49 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Insubordinate?

I guess when someone is as mentaly ill as Al Davis (major paranoia issues going on there), EVERYONE is insubordinate.

Those statements come off as sour grapes. I think Al is getting harder and harder for oakland fans to defend. He’s clearly in decline mentaly.

As for the salary issues, I think the controversy was put to bed in the coments that Nburns linked (under “Shanahan a cheater”).

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Oct 1, 2008 12:43 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

failure to lick Al Davis' heel is insubordinate. Screw Davis

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

by Zappa on Oct 1, 2008 1:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

This may be a dumb Question

What if Shanny brought in Lane to work for us free on the offense as an assistant or something, not really sure what position. Any way this would stick it to Al Davis and get a young mind to help out. I think Lane could help and piss Al off at the same time. I love it cuz Al would be paying him to work for our Team and gives Lane time until that college coaching gig comes up.. Just a thought..

For the love of the animals. 24

by Earthtiger24 on Oct 1, 2008 1:58 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

I have no doubt...

…that Denver is sending out feelers to Kiffen. He has a lot of intel on oakland, and is really a sharp cookie who didn’t have a bat’s chance in heck working under Davis. Davis nixed every good idea Kiffen had, then blamed Kiffen for the team failing.

I bet Shanny would love to stick it to oakland by getting Kiffen.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Oct 1, 2008 2:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I may put up a fanpost if I have time

but I really am not interested in Kiffin, and not jsut because I don’t think we have a spot for him. He exhibits a lot of physical and attitude characteristics of someone who isn’t trustworthy.

Maybe that is just because of the situation he is coming out of, but I don’t think Shanahan is fond of him either…

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by styg50 on Oct 1, 2008 5:47 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Lane handled the situation poorly

He’s young and a bit impetuous. But from everything I’ve seen I honestly think that he felt forced into doing what he was doing, that he did it out of frustration and not spite. I don’t think he had any lines of communication with Al so he took his gripe to the media. It was wrong, but you’d want to vent a little too if your owner couldn’t get you enough corners to run 1 on 1 drills.

It’s hard to say because of all the drama, but Lane might not be quite ready to handle all of the responsibilites of a head coach. But theres no doubt he’s got a good football mind and could benefit an NFL team right now .

And you know Shanahan would bring in anyone, even an Art Shell, just to spite Al.

by RaiderPete on Oct 1, 2008 7:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Pete, I think we agree.

Lane was surely frustrated, but it’s the mark of a young man to take his gripes public. I think Kiffen was in the right (he wasn’t given the decision making skills to run his team the way he needed to), but that’s no excuse for airing the laundry in public, no matter how right he was.

I’m interested in seeing what Styg has to say on the matter. There may certainly be a maturity factor in play. Still, Al’s handling of the entire matter didn’t put young Kiffen in a position to suceed (nor the raider’s by extension).

Clearly, I’m no fan of the raiders. But I do think (all rivalry aside) that Al Davis is mentaly ill, and his deteriorating situation is dragging down his organization. He has said that he will pass the team to his wife after he dies, but I don’t know if that will help matters. His daughter also has some behavioral issues too.

While I can’t say I want the raiders to be winners, I don’t want a storied franchise in the NFL to be dragged down by one, sick old man either.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Oct 2, 2008 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs