MHR Chalk Talk -- Week 7 - Denver at New England (MNF)
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This game is a great game for Denver fans eager to judge the team. It's Monday Night Football, and it's the Patriots (even without Brady).
While the Patriots are missing Brady and are not the dominant team of a year ago, they are still well coached and feature many top notch players. Denver will also be traveling to the Pats back yard to play the game.
The history is amazing. As MHR's Chief Editor "TheSportsGuru" reports:
Since 2001, when the Patriots won their first of three Super Bowls in a four-year period, the Broncos are the only team in the NFL with a winning record against New England in regular season and postseason play combined. Denver is 5-1 (.833) against the Patriots since 2001 while the rest of the NFL is a combined 26-102 (.203) versus the club during that time.
In other words, while the Patriots have dominated the NFL for several years, the Broncos seem to have their number. In this special edition of MHR Chalk Talk, we'll match the schemes used by each team on both sides of the ball to get a picture of what to expect, and what to watch for on Monday night.
Read on....

The Patriots Defense
While many casual fans of the game will note the powerhouse offense that has defined the Patriots, many hard core football fans will point to the defense as the key in NE.
The Patriots primarily run a 3-4 formation, and are known in football circles for being to adapt to any team that they play. It's the adaptation of the defense to the many types of offensive systems in the NFL that makes this former defensive coordinator drool. Like him or not (and I don't) on a personal level, Belichick is superhuman in his ability to make his 3-4 like a robotic transformer in its ability to morph from one game plan to another, all in the framework of the Fairbanks-Bullough system that he runs.
From MHR University comes this breakdown of the Fairbanks-Bullough:
The "Bullough" variation of the "Fairbanks 3-4" is the system being used (most notably) to great effect by NE. No team has returned to the original Fairbanks, and the classic 3-4 system is now just called "Fairbanks-Bullough". It is strictly a 3-4 system, as is the "Phillips" 3-4.
This system is what most people think of when they think of the 3-4. It is based on 2-gap play on the D-line.
The system was used in colleges for years before, but came to the pros in 1974 and was built to withstand professional offenses by Coach Fairbanks. He coached Oklahoma (where the system was created in the 40s), and the Patriots.
Coach Bullough (who was a head coach for BUF but the defensive coordinator for NE in the 70s) refined the system further. It no longer looks like the collegiate 3-4 of the 40s and 50s (in which the 3-4 was close to the line, every player was a brute, and the team played mostly zone).
The NT is a 2 gap player who lines up at 0 or 1 technique. The DEs will be aligned based on situation, play, and match-up. All three players are typically bigger than in the other two systems. They often plug up the OL to allow the LBs to make the big plays, and so they get little credit in the stats themselves.
One common tactic is to shift over or under (depending on the direction of the shift). Most 4-3s do this on the DL on a few plays. But in the 3-4 as run under the Bullough, the team will often "scissor", which means they shift the DLs one way, and the LBs another.
Here's a scissor:
This gives the OL little time to react to a new formation. Is the JACK LB going to "cheat forward" and play like a one gap DE, or is he going to zone? Note how the NT can now draw double coverage from the Right Guard and the Right Tackle, and the Left End (The right most "X") is still there to cause problems for the Right Tackle. The SAM LB is now in an ideal position to wrap around the line and take out the QB.
The confusion doesn't stop here. The LBs can zone, man, or blitz. That's three things that each of four LBs can do. Do the math to try to predict the number of variations. Then, before patting yourself on the back, consider that each of those actions have further variations. Man - which man? Zone - zone where? Blitz - through which lane?
Despite the fact that the Bullough can be confusing, the system relies on a lot of "bend; don't break" thinking. The system will often give up short yards in the run, and blitzes are not common. The idea is that the longer the offense is on the clock, the longer it takes them to score, and the more plays the offense risks an interception, fumble, or a fourth down.
How are 3-4's countered in general? From the same article:
There are many traits shared by the systems that make them vulnerable. Of course a coach makes adjustments based on personnel and film, but here are the common, over arching approaches offenses take.
- Two TE sets - the 3-4 killer. Take out the FB and add a second TE. The common outside blitzes by the Phillips and the Lebeau are rendered less effective. This is the most common approach, and great blockers like DEN TE Graham are perfect for this.
- Run the ball, run it up the middle, and run it with power.
- Skip the screens and use both the FB and HB as pass blockers. Vary the TE frequently between pass blocking and receiving (throw some confusion back at the 3-4). Keep passes up the sideline, where you don't burn the clock so much, and where the zones are less frequent.
But let's take a deeper look at the NE version, and examine how Denver should approach the match-up.
Denver runs in a one cut variation of the Zone Block system. Against one gap schemes, this is a perfect weapon. One gappers hit the gaps in a slant, and find themselves being blocked obliquely by small but agile offensive linemen. But the Bullough is a two gap program, and is supposed to trouble the Zone Block. The two gap linemen don't shoot the gaps, they hold the line and play the gap when th runner commits.
Denver has more than made up the difference by using several schemes against the Pats. One is to pull offensive linemen (a "trap") to create more confusion. Another is to use lot of misdirection. Denver loves to run the bootleg play, and individual players on a defense are likely to bite on either the one cut run, or the roll out to pass. But they can't do both. Coach Shanahan also does a masterful job of running pass plays that spread the defense wide, and allow the one cut to eat the middle of the field. All in all, Denver uses very few run blocking schemes. This is why they have success in NE though, because the rarity of the variation makes the few odd tweaks much more effective when they finally do show up.
Belichick and Shanahan are masters of the game. But Shanahan's edge has been running plays during a game designed to create bad choices for individual players on the opposing team, as opposed to directly challenging the coach on the other side. So far, it has worked well.
But this year there is a new wrinkle, and this is what football afficianados should watch carefuly for.
Denver seems to have gotten away from what has helped them beat NE in the past. Denver is leaning more towards a "spread" system this year instead of the "West Coast Offense". Gone are the passes to the edges that set up the run. Gone is the emphasis on running.
Denver is relying on Jay Cutler to use his cannon arm and his laser accuracy. Jay is a great QB, and will be in a pro bowl sooner than later. He also has a stable of amazing WRs (League leading Marshall, rookie phenom Royal, and slot expert Stokley) as well as a deep and elite TE corps (former Patriot Graham, Scheffler, and Jackson). Denver's OL has allowed only one real sack (plus a statistical faux sack) this year.
Not one player on the Patriots front seven fails to impress me. The DL and the LBs are the best of the best. But the Pats don't blitz much, and I don't think the Denver OL would have many problems if they did. Instead, watch for the LBs to play zones to force Cutler to go underneath in his passes. The DL will likely be more prominant in trying to slow the Denver run game.
Expect Denver to use the Zone Block less frequently this game. Everytime you see a good gain up the middle, some broadcaster will point out the great Zone Block of Denver, but it isn't always the case. Denver primarily uses the Zone Block, but not exclusively. Against the Pats, Denver should use a lot of power runs up the middle with standard run blocking, and mix in some Zone Blocking to keep the DL honest. (Power runs up the gut are an approach to beating 3-4s).
Also, expect Denver to use the two TE sets that teams like to use to prevent outside blitzes by wide aligned OLBs. If a FB is in, he should be pass blocking instead of going for screens (which the NE 3-4 would eat for dinner).
While the DBs of NE are not as talented as most years, Belichick can call zones for the LBs and SAFs, while mixing up the use of the CBs. Cutler is smart enough to read defenses, but can be too aggressive if not coached properly. (Cutler did well against the Bucs Tampa-2 because he was coached to be patient. If he isn't told to be patient against the Pats, and they zone a lot, Cutler may have some INTs).
There can also be concerns that the NE defense will have a better shot at scheming against the spread than the many misdirection schemes Denver uses in a WCO. While Cutler still runs the bootleg (and even a rare option play here and there), he is playing in the pocket more this year than any QB in recent Bronco history. This may be just what NE wants. Add in Denver's seeing lack of commitment to the run, and you get a more predictable Denver Offense.
The Patriots Offense
The first thing that comes to mind is that Brady isn't playing. Don't focus on that. It's not who isn't playing that matters as much as who is.
NE features elite WRs, a TE famous for running down a Champ Bailey interception (yes, Ben Watson is a freak of nature), and a terrific front five.
The Patriots run an offense called Erhardt - Perkins. It is the same system that the Steelers ran under Cowher and tthat he Panthers currently run, but looks nothing like the other two.
Many folks think the EP is a smash mouth system, and that is how it is mostly used by other teams. But not so in NE. The tenents of the EP are:
- There is a lot of different looks in terms of formations. The nomenclature (descriptive terms) used in the EP always include formation and personnel informtion, as well as the play itself.
- Runs set up the pass (unlike the West Coast Offense), regardless of how often the ball is run. In fact, NE threw the ball more last year than ever before. Still, the runs weren't designed to be gainers, but to shift defenses from ideal assignments.
- More play action than other systems (with the exception of the Colts "Timing system").
NE has the WR and TE talent to catch the ball, but can a back-up QB avoid errant throws around Bailey or Bly? (Some fun trivia: Not one pass in Bailey's direction the last two games). Denver's lack of a pass rush (except the TB game) has allowed teams to tear up Denver on passes. But NE offensive tackles Kaczur and Light both didn't practice on Wednesday. Is this the break Denver needs?
Denver has also been questionable stopping the running games of opponents too. But if there is a silver lining, it is that the Denver defense is young, fast, and showing improvement. The improvement is slow and uneven, but they are there.
Courtesy of ESPN comes the following tid bits from a press conference during which Belichick discusses the Broncos:
Opening statement: Bill Belichick: After watching Denver over the last couple days, this is a real impressive football team. They have some familiar faces and a lot of new ones; some rookies are making a big impact for them. As usual, I think they are one of the best-coached teams in the league. I think Mike [Shanahan] does a tremendous job with his players, especially offensively. They are a very fast starting team. They score early and they score often. They are really throwing the ball well. They have an outstanding group of receivers, tight ends, [running] backs and their offensive line is playing well. Defensively, they are fast. They have a very veteran secondary other than Jack Williams who comes in on sub for them. But their four starters are very experienced, fast linebackers and are a disruptive front. [They] are very good in the kicking game. They are right in the top of the league in kickoff coverage, punt coverage and returns. They have done a good job on the long field goals. Real solid football team, really good in every area of the game, well coached, fast, tough and we have a lot to get ready for this week. They are pretty good. They would be a lot more fun to watch if we didn't have to play them. Q: Have they become more of a passing team? BB: They have always had a good balance offensively and they still continue to do that. For example, against San Diego they were spread quite a bit. [Jay] Cutler is throwing the ball well. Their receivers are outstanding and are very good with the ball in their hands, especially [Eddie] Royal and [Brandon] Marshall. Those guys break a lot of tackles [and] make people miss in the secondary. [Tony] Scheffler too -- he is a receiver playing tight end. They have very good skill players and Cutler is throwing the ball well; he is very mobile in the pocket as well. It is fair to say they are throwing more than they did when we saw them two years ago. Q: Have you noticed any difference in Jay Cutler this year compared to last? BB: No. He looks pretty good to me. We didn't play him last year but he looks very good, very athletic, has a strong arm [and] can make all the throws. He can throw the ball as far as you want to throw it, as far as it can be thrown. He can get it down there but he has a good touch. He uses all of his receivers and tight ends. He will get the ball to the back some but he has hit the receivers and tight ends so much that the backs have become a lesser option for him. But he is very good. They do everything well, they really do. Q: Rookie running back Ryan Torain could start practicing this week. Would that be difficult to prepare for? BB: It is something that we will have to do the best we can to prepare for him. It was a little bit like the Kansas City game when [Branden] Albert didn't play all the way through preseason and then he lined up at left tackle. You go on what you've got. If he is in there than we will do the best we can to get ready for him. Some guys we know more about than others but that is a little bit of the case in the first half of the season. You are going to run into some guys you just haven't seen as much of. You have less to go on but sometimes that is true of your own guys too. Q: Is there any difference in Denver's running game? Are they rotating guys through a little more than they were? BB: Scheme-wise, no. The hard part about their running game isn't the plays; they run basically the same plays. They create a lot of different formations and they build them differently. You don't really see it until right when the ball is snapped. That's the hard part. It is the run force and getting everyone in the right position. Not that they do a lot of different blocking schemes; they don't have very many blocking schemes but they attack the edge of the defense probably as well as any team in football. That is really the heart of the problem, getting your run force and getting your perimeter guys in proper leverage to play the plays. Q: How much do they use the 3-4 defense? BB: They mix it in there. I would say they are primarily a 4-3 team, but they will mix it in there. They give you some different looks out of their 4-3 and 3-4 group and when they go into their sub packages they have some different looks on that too. They have a good mixture defensively. The one thing about it, no matter who is out there, it is a pretty fast group. They have fast players - guys that can run. It is hard to circle them up and get around all of them. You have to get into the defense and get some space there. It is hard to outrun [Champ] Bailey, D.J. Williams, [Nate] Webster, [Dewayne] Robertson and all those guys. They are a very good pursing team.
In some areas, Belichick is being diplomatic. Not many Denver fans would brag about a disruptive defensive front. I also don't think Torain plays this week (though the assumption was by the questioner, not Coach Belichick).
Keys To The Game
Denver
- Limit turnovers.
- Mount an effective pass rush. (Cassel has been sacked more than any other AFC QB)
- The defense must get stops on third downs.
NE
- Gain at least 100 yards on the ground (starting RB Maroney may be out this game). NE hasn't had a 100 yard rusher yet this year.
- NE must score at least 21 points. They have scored 20 or more points only once this year. 21 Points probably wouldn't cut it.
- Don't give up the big play. Denver is more prone to turn over the ball if they have a long drive.
BOTH TEAMS
- Both teams have several key players who are listed as questionable for Monday night's game. The trainers are going to be a key to this game. The trainers that gets more key players on the field (without rushing them back too early) will give their team a major boost.
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Both teams are coming off of disappointing losses. Both teams know they have the potential to play better. Both teams are on a national stage. And both teams have a shot of winning their divisions, or being barely edged out. In short, both teams need this game in a bad way.
Neither team takes the other lightly. Both teams should be at their best. If either team comes out playing less than 100% for four quarters, the other team won't.
This is an evenly matched game of two teams in the second tier of the NFL's best. Denver fans should keep this thought in mind for the game:
5-2 is a heck of a lot better than 4-3. SD is nipping at Denver's heels, and not many Denver fans should relish having to play starters in the last game of the season against SD. A win on the road against NE would make a big statement, and could showcase further improvement. Denver then gets a bye to rest up, and faces two teams they should be able to beat (MIA and CLE). A loss, and the bye week takes on a more ominous feeling.
Comments
I don't have the greatest faith
in the Broncos’ pass rush. But I do have faith in the Broncos’ offensive line.
Never argue with a fool, lest you take on his appearance. - my daddy
by AZDynamics on
Oct 16, 2008 4:02 PM MDT
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I second that!
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
by Broncoman on
Oct 16, 2008 4:09 PM MDT
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Thirded (?)
Our O-line is amazing, and i have confidence that we will get at least one sack…
by hai17 on
Oct 19, 2008 3:56 PM MDT
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Im going to go out on a limb here
and say NE’s defense will pressure Denver as much as Denver’s defense does to NE. Which IMO wont be very much
somethings wrong, Trying to conquer these fears i thought were gone. And it's been so long, I'm dying to live in a world i don't belong
by broncfanstuckinsd on
Oct 16, 2008 4:42 PM MDT
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Probably right on that one
This isn’t the first “beat-up” offensive line we have faced, and every week we face a “beat-up” line it seems like we don’t get much if any pressure. The two games we actually got some consistent pressure (Oakland and Tampa Bay) they had lines that were supposed to be relatively healthy.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
by Broncoman on
Oct 16, 2008 4:53 PM MDT
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Great point.
The verrrrrrry banged up JAX OL did just fine against our DL.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
Oct 16, 2008 4:56 PM MDT
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My grandma does well against our DL.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
by Zappa on
Oct 16, 2008 6:14 PM MDT
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Thanks for the info HT
These chalk-talks make the game much more interesting for me. I have stuff to watch for. Great post and rec’d!
That’s ok with me. We’re playing for wins, not media publicity....HT 9/11/08
by firstfan on
Oct 16, 2008 7:39 PM MDT
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Thanks HT
Chalk-Talk is the #1 write up I eagerly anticipate every week. I really enjoy it! Thank you!
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by EastCoastBronco on
Oct 17, 2008 8:50 AM MDT
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Thank you guys
I really enjoy putting it together. All the best to you both.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
Oct 17, 2008 11:31 AM MDT
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As usual Great stuff HT! we are spoiled here.
We go 2 tight ends and slobber knock it down the field.
by Shiiver on
Oct 16, 2008 8:45 PM MDT
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History
I did a little research… looked it up in my brain so it might be off… NE’s one win against the Broncos in the Brady era was against our 3rd string QB and they won on an almost last second go-ahead TD on MNF.
Brady or no Brady, Shanahan has Belichick’s number…
by Smichael on
Oct 16, 2008 10:04 PM MDT
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That was the game...
…where NE took an intentional safety to save time and change field position and Deltha O’Neal helped them by muffing the free kick and putting us back deep in our territory.
by jaffe28 on
Oct 16, 2008 11:27 PM MDT
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Deltha will be on the field again this week
lets hope he is as bad for them as he was for us…
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by styg50 on
Oct 17, 2008 12:16 AM MDT
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I hope they have him on Marshall.
4-2.
by papigrande on
Oct 17, 2008 12:01 PM MDT
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or as bad as he was last week against San Diego!
"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game
"I love your analysis of our team. Its kinda like watching a spider monkey trying to figure out a jar of peanuts.. you know whats going on.. you know whats in there, but to actually figure it out, is just a bit beyond your mental skills..."
- Bronco Dano
by DesertBroncoFan on
Oct 20, 2008 8:36 AM MDT
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Pressure and no turnovers/stupid mistakes
I do agree that Belichick was a bit diplomatic in some of his responses and the perosn asking the questions didn’t do his homework because Torrain isn’t playing.
I know we match up well with NE so there is a good feeling about that however both teams aren’t the same as they were the last time we faced them. We need to get pressure on a QB still trying to learn and if there is a perfect time to really stick to the run it is in this game. Based on what I saw in the SD/NE game I think we will get some opportunities to go deep…..Cutler needs to be patient though.
Culter: Take what you are given….please.
"It doesn't dissipate" ~ Mike Shanahan
Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 4
by weazel on
Oct 16, 2008 11:51 PM MDT
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One editing comment...
HT, in regards to your title, this week is week 7, not 6. ;-)
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by EastCoastBronco on
Oct 17, 2008 10:28 AM MDT
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Fixed,
and thanks for the catch!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
Oct 17, 2008 11:54 AM MDT
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Now, I could be wrong but if I recall correctly...
…the last time we beat them in Foxborough, the playing surface was just pitiful. I remember thinking the bad footing should have helped the offense but our defense had a pretty good game. The Denver DB’s essentially exposed the weakness of New England’s wide receivers and the front seven regularly harrassed Brady into hurried an irratic throws. All of that turned the Patriots into a one demensional running team which the rest of the defense handled quite nicely.
But a lot has changed since then. New England has added some fine WR’s and or defense hasn’t been the monster it was back in the day.
Still, I think this is one of those matchups that Shanahan really seems to love and it brings out the best in him. I think he’s going to be the key to winning this game.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on
Oct 17, 2008 10:31 AM MDT
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As always, I recommend.
Good stuff Maynard.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on
Oct 17, 2008 10:32 AM MDT
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It's a figure of speech.
“Good stuff Maynard” is a phrase. Maybe it comes from an old commercial?
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
Oct 17, 2008 12:12 PM MDT
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Yeap, my age is showin' again.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on
Oct 17, 2008 12:15 PM MDT
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Thanks Counsel!
Bad surfaces (and weather) do several things.
Rain hurts the better throwing team (harder to throw and catch a wet ball).
Cold makes punting and kicking more difficult. Cold also favors strength over speed (harder to catch one’s breath). Big linemen do better in cold weather (more insulation).
Heat hurts bigger players (cutting their endurance). Heat also favors “deeper” teams (teams that can rotate in more players, instead of relying on a few stars).
Muddy surfaces slow down the game, so there is a mixed bag their. Speed runners suffer, but power runners gain. Possesion receivers do better, while speed receivers suffer. However, defenses overall benefit from mud.
A frozen field (but not slick) favors a fast team. It also increases injuries.
A snowy field has the effect of a muddy field, but you can add in the injury factor.
Heavy fog favors the running game (defenders are less likely to be able to determine who has the ball). Delay plays and reverses work well in heavy fog.
Domes favor speed.
High altitude has no affect on the home team, but winds opposing teams towards the end of games.
Wind hurts the passing game, and can affect kicking and punting to a small degree.
Tornados favor heavy teams (less likely to get blown away). Well, ok. I made that one up. : )
And of course, teams play better in the climes they are most used to.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
Oct 17, 2008 12:11 PM MDT
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Thanks HT.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on
Oct 20, 2008 1:04 PM MDT
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"NE hasn't had a 100 yard rusher this year"
WOW
Why do I have that ominous feeling that streak may be broken on Monday? Maybe it’s my inner skeptic in the run D. Thankfully Moroney might not play.
The key to this game is ball protection. If Denver takes care of the ball (looking at you Marshall and Cutler) then they score points, then they win. Plain and simple.
They should seriously consider the SD gameplan and come out throwing deep. Get a lead early and don’t effin stop.
by binford04 on
Oct 17, 2008 12:19 PM MDT
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Get an early lead, and protect it with the run.
Though right now I would take Cutler over Cassel if it becomes a shoot out.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
Oct 17, 2008 12:33 PM MDT
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Something to think about...
denver has a way of putting young opponenets on the map, reinvigorating opposing players seasons or careers, and helping opponents overcome nasty unfortunate trends.
We may be the best thing that ever happened to the league.
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by styg50 on
Oct 17, 2008 1:23 PM MDT
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Sneaky feeling (no reference to MHR members).
Knowing how Coach Shanahan likes to mix things up for NE and the inherent weakness of the Fairbanks Bullough system, I wonder if we might see the Broncos depart from their Zone Blocking system more than they usually do and really attack the middle of the NE defensive line. I’m pretty sure Vince Wilfork is still their NT. He is an excellent player but not overly huge for a 0 or 1 technique 2-gap NT at 6"2" and 325lbs. He has no back-up. They use LeKevin Smith to spell him but Smith is really a DE and is only 6’3" and 308. We match up well. On the right side we have Kuper and Harris who are both over 300 and very agile. If we go left whe have Hamilton and Clady who is as big as Wilfork at 325! If I undersdtand the Fairbanks Bullough system correctly NE will be counting on their Inside Linebackers to stop the run up the middle. There they have Bruschi who is a 13 year veteran and not as fast as he once was and rather smallish at 6’1" and 247 and Mayo who is a rookie and is even smaller at 6’1" and 240. Once agian we match up well. Both Hillis and Larson are bigger and just as fast as the NE Inside Linebackers and we have a bruiser in Pittman to carry the ball.
I am going to go out on a limb and predict we see a lot of two tight end formations and a lot of running between the tackles. We will see Larsen at FB as well as Hillis. Once the run is established we will see binfor’s plan of going deep against their relatively weak secondary.
It seems to me that Belichick’s modus operandi is to identify the oppoent’s top offensive threat and find a way to neutralize that player. He will be focused on Marshall and he really can’t scheme against a power run up the middle. When he brings a safety up…that sword cuts two ways and we see Marshall against Sanders with single coverage .
My key to the game early will be to watch #75, Vince Wilfork, against the Denver O Line. I should be a great game. GO BRONCOS!!!
That’s ok with me. We’re playing for wins, not media publicity....HT 9/11/08
by firstfan on
Oct 17, 2008 12:59 PM MDT
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Great stuff firstfan!
I agree with everything, outside of running at Mayo. I would not give that young man an opportunity to be a difference maker.
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by styg50 on
Oct 17, 2008 1:21 PM MDT
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Thanks styg
That is why we will have Larson in there, to lay a big-time block on Mayo. On the other hand we might use our TE Mustard to sandwitch him.
That’s ok with me. We’re playing for wins, not media publicity....HT 9/11/08
by firstfan on
Oct 17, 2008 1:58 PM MDT
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Firstfan, you're a true pro!
I agree with both of your thoughts 100%.
First, I agree that Denver might pound the ball up the middle with a little less zone blocking. Second, I agree that two TE sets are an excellent counter to the 3-4 we’ll see. Great observations!
One thing that is worth noting too. I just read an article today about NE and Denver. It pointed out that Belichick likes to use more 4-3 looks against Denver than against other teams. On run plays, Denver would like to use a FB for blocking (if up the gut). Denver used to motion a TE into the traditional FB position a lot, and I wonder if that was in response to a typical 3-4 team coming out 4-3 (like the Pats). I’ll bet those were Pats games I’m thinking about.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
Oct 17, 2008 5:43 PM MDT
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WhoooHooo firstfan!
You’re really smokin’.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on
Oct 20, 2008 1:06 PM MDT
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BB isnt the best coach
Its Shanny. in 2001 the lat team to beat NE was Denver 31-20, brady threw 4 picks in that game all in the 4th qtr. The game that BB won was in 2003. When the pats intentionally hit the crossbar on a punt to give Denver a safety,. On the ensuing free kick O’neal fumbled it and Denver is deep in its own terrirtory and Danny Kannel can get a first down. So Denver has to Punt and Brady goes around 60 yards for the 6.points Then BB and brady abused Oneal AGAIN. So I am glad that craptastik CB is playing for NE. He sucks badly. If anyone know how to exploit him its the guy who drafted him. I hope he is on Marshall, if so the 20 catch mark shoudl be broken by games end, unless Denver is up BIG which I expect. This NE team shows what a big time QB can mean to a team. This has been my point all along. When Denver does not turn the ball over nobody can stop them NOBODY! JC is young and so confident in himself and that is what I love. NE isnt nowhere the team they have been because Brady is gone.
somethings wrong, Trying to conquer these fears i thought were gone. And it's been so long, I'm dying to live in a world i don't belong
by broncfanstuckinsd on
Oct 17, 2008 1:14 PM MDT
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There's a lot to say about NE not being the same without Brady.
But take it from a guy that doesn’t care for Belichick on a personal level. I am a HUGE fan of how he morphs his defenses from week to week. He doesn’t have a lot to work with in the secondary, and his front seven are playing well below their level of talent. But the guy knows how to draw up a defensive game plan like no one else. (Still, I think Shanahan is the one chess master that knows how to beat Belichik at his own game).
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
Oct 17, 2008 5:47 PM MDT
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I say
if BMarsh is close to the 20 catch mark and is consistently burning O’Neal, go for the record!
Who cares if we run up the score? NE did it plenty last year and if we have the chance to give them a little taste of what that’s like, I say go for it!
"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game
"I love your analysis of our team. Its kinda like watching a spider monkey trying to figure out a jar of peanuts.. you know whats going on.. you know whats in there, but to actually figure it out, is just a bit beyond your mental skills..."
- Bronco Dano
by DesertBroncoFan on
Oct 20, 2008 8:46 AM MDT
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rec'd and buzzed
As always, thanks for the great work HT. You rock.
by CoastalBronco on
Oct 17, 2008 1:30 PM MDT
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Hey,
YOU rock!
Thanks
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
Oct 17, 2008 5:44 PM MDT
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Twisted Sister will be glad to know it!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
Oct 18, 2008 8:09 AM MDT
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did ya see the onion
where the headling says that Twisted Sister grudgingly is now gonna take it?
somethings wrong, Trying to conquer these fears i thought were gone. And it's been so long, I'm dying to live in a world i don't belong
by broncfanstuckinsd on
Oct 18, 2008 11:25 AM MDT
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Uhm...
NO! They aint gonna take it. In fact, they’re not gonna it take anymore!
Which I guess begs the question, they must have taken it at some point if they’re not gonna take it anymore.
(Not bad for an old coach, huh?)
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
Oct 19, 2008 12:59 AM MDT
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LOL
not bad at all
somethings wrong, Trying to conquer these fears i thought were gone. And it's been so long, I'm dying to live in a world i don't belong
by broncfanstuckinsd on
Oct 19, 2008 4:10 PM MDT
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Awesome post as usual, HT.
I remember back when I didn’t get to read Chalk Talk before games. I like to refer to that part of my life as the Dark Age.
4-2.
by papigrande on
Oct 17, 2008 9:56 PM MDT
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Wow! Thanks!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
Oct 18, 2008 8:12 AM MDT
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