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Dre Bly Fined 20K For Criticizing Officials

Dre Bly is walking around a bit lighter these days, at least in his wallet.  The NFL announced that Bly was to be find $20,000 for negative comments about the officiating after the Broncos 24-17 loss to Jacksonville on Sunday.

Bly was particularly upset with an Illegal Contact call made against him that turned a potential 4th and 13 into an automatic first down.  On the play, Bly was thrown to the ground by Jags WR Reggie Williams yet it was Bly that dreew the flag.

"The first couple of games, I guess they've been evaluating us and saying we won games we shouldn't have won," Bly said after the game. "So I guess they're going to get a call against us."

Bly plans to appeal the fine.

Bly wasn't backing down from the statements as recently as yesterday when he stood by his post game remarks.

"I wasn't cussing them or [saying] he was a bad guy," Bly said. "I just said it was judgment calls. But I thought they were bad calls to make at [a] critical part of the game."

 

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I hate it when the NFL does this kind of stuff

it makes it look like they want a bunch of "yes"men standing around me tooing everything they do. The refs are big boys, they can take criticism. Policing opinion is a waste of the NFL’s time…

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by Jeremy Bolander on Oct 17, 2008 6:16 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

The tone of the comment was borderline fine-able...

but on substance, Dre was right. That was a terrible call, and it affected the outcome of the game. The McCree and Clady penalties were equally onerous.

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Oct 17, 2008 6:26 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

But what Dre was wrong about...

…was indicating that the call was fixed, or a “make-up”. That goes after the refs integrity, not his playcalling.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Oct 18, 2008 8:54 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

The NFL: Where your opinion means nothing but fines.

I understand that this is the way the NFL is, however it is lame. Getting fined for saying your opinion is totally pathetic. It was a bad call and kept the drive alive, however we got the benefit in the SD game, soooo. All things aside, the refs should be able to take some criticism as long is it isn’t derogatory in any way.

"It doesn't dissipate" ~ Mike Shanahan

Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 4

by weazel on Oct 17, 2008 6:58 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm fine with it, as long as they fined Sean Payton for criticizing the refs after our game.

And the week after when he criticized them because they didn’t call a facemask or something. Personally, I think Dre’ needs to focus on making plays instead of focusing on the refs. He and his defense just allowed David Garrard to complete 75% passes, and they need a lot of work.

4-2.

by papigrande on Oct 17, 2008 8:00 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is my other thinking.

You can’t change the refs mind when a call is made so why even bother……you can’t win.

"It doesn't dissipate" ~ Mike Shanahan

Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 4

by weazel on Oct 17, 2008 8:21 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe it's a bad call.

Bly seemed to indicate it was on purpose.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Oct 18, 2008 8:55 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Indicating it was on purpose....yeah

that is a bit too much, however just for his opinion I think these fines are a waste of time.

"It doesn't dissipate" ~ Mike Shanahan

Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 4

by weazel on Oct 18, 2008 6:49 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he had left it at "just his opinion"

he might have gotten away with it. But, he added that it was a make-up call and that put it over the line.

"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game

"I love your analysis of our team. Its kinda like watching a spider monkey trying to figure out a jar of peanuts.. you know whats going on.. you know whats in there, but to actually figure it out, is just a bit beyond your mental skills..."
- Bronco Dano

by DesertBroncoFan on Oct 20, 2008 9:11 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think the problem was his opinion.

Instead, it was the fact that he hinted at a ref conspiracy.

4-2.

by papigrande on Oct 17, 2008 8:10 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

AMEN!

And rec’d!

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Oct 18, 2008 8:55 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Glad Fines Dont Work the Other Way

Where we would have to pay 20K every time we criticize him for his coverage.

Go Broncos!

by dbroncos78087 on Oct 17, 2008 8:24 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

That is total BS.

I am so sick of these NFL fines under Goodell. Goodell has to be the worst commish ever. He is turning this into a pansy game and not letting the player voice their opinions. Bly should appeal this because it was a really bad call and it did help the JAC win the game. But the people at the NFL head office with goodell get thier pussyies in a bunch and start fines people the minute they say anything bad agaist thier refs.

Papigrande- The “I think Dre’ needs to focus on making plays instead of focusing on the refs” Another ignorant comment about Dre’. First of all Champ has only been thrown at like 20-25 times this season. That is like nothing in the nfl. When you have a great CB on one side the guy on the other side is going to get everything thrown at him. What this means is he is going to get beat a little more because he has twice as many balls thrown his way. Also Dre’ Has not been that bad. The front seven are giving the QB all day to to throw the ball and not CB can cover thier WR when the QB is given 6-7 seconds to throw the ball. Second the Safeties are making Dre look bad. He is letting some people by him to play under for the interception thinking their will be a S up top to help with the reciever. Our S are not playing thier assignments which is making Dre look bad. I am so sick of people talking shit about Dre’. Just to let all you people know since 1999 he is only second to one person in INT and that is Champ. He is a top 5 corner in the league when you look at his stats over his career.

by gnarlybroncodude on Oct 17, 2008 9:34 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Would you mind watching your language.......................

I know of several teenagers and a couple of boys younger than that that follow their Broncos on this site.

The player who thinks he can and the player who knows he can are two different players, which one are you???

by Broncofan on Oct 17, 2008 10:45 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Oct 18, 2008 9:00 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with Papi...

Dre is nowhere near a top 5 corner, and it’s absolutely on point that the problem was with the implication that the refs were making deliberately bad calls to make up for previous mistakes that went the Broncos’ way. If he had just said that he disagreed with the call, there likely would have been no problem, no fine. Goodell is sensitive about any hint of corruption, and while I might not disagree personally that his line is too finely drawn, it’s probably not a bad management decision to be a little cautious, given the Donaghy scenario in the NBA. And I do agree that Dre Bly thinks that Dre Bly is better than Dre Bly is. There’s no way that Reggie Williams should be able to throw him to the ground like that! Reggie Williams avoids contact with the best of them (and I’m a fan of his from his Husky days). I’d like to see Dre Bly man up and get a little more physical, and save the complaining…

"You're slow. You're not a running back, and you're not a running back for a reason."
The Shanahan

by Broncs Cheer on Oct 17, 2008 11:37 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bly is not a top 5 CB...

…though he is certainly better than he’s looked recently. I’ve paid closer attention to him and it’s pretty clear that those folks on MHR who have said that the coaching staff is using him incorrectly are right. In order to maximize the type of instinctive player that he is (which is where all those picks you mention come from) they need to let him play up on the receiver where he can disrupt the route or jump in front of the receiver. It’s clear that he doesn’t have the ability to react to sideline outs or slants quickly enough if he’s playing back. He would also benefit a lot from the coaches letting both safeties play back. Part of why they won’t let him bump is if he gets beat there isn’t necessarily help since they are only playing one guy back instead of two.

And BTW, you can make your points without being insulting or using bad language.

by jaffe28 on Oct 18, 2008 3:33 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never said Dre' was a bad player.

I would probably have him over 75% of the #2 corners in the league. However, like Broncs Cheer said, he thinks he is a lot better than he really is. Maybe he should realize that if our safeties are bad, he shouldn’t be playing for the interception and should instead be concentrating on staying on his man. Also, he is not a good tackler. That’s one quality that I miss in Foxworth, and that Champ has in abundance. Dre lets his receiver get yards after the catch far too often, as he tries to anchor tackle his receiver as opposed to being physical and driving the ball carrier to the ground. There are a multitude of other ways that he can improve his game.

The point that I was trying to make was that Dre’ is not good enough to speak for the team, and should not be criticizing officials. I’ve never heard of him being a locker room nuisance, but if he is that plus a liability on the field, then I would advocate getting rid of him.

4-2.

by papigrande on Oct 18, 2008 8:23 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I endorse Papi's statement.

I think Bly is a top notch CB, but looks terrible playing across from Bailey, playing with no pass rush, and playing without a second deep cover safety to allow him to play his gambling style of corner. I stick up for Bly more than anyone at MHR (he’s not too popular around here). Still, when you accuse refs of fixing plays on purpose, you cross a line.

Anyone in their right mind knew that Bly was getting fined the moment they heard the statement.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Oct 18, 2008 9:03 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I say fine the REFs for bad calls..

some of them coundn’t afford to stay hummm…………

by Shiiver on Oct 17, 2008 10:56 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

We wouldn't have any officials.

Let’s just let them do a job that none of us could, and not accuse them of fixing games.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Oct 18, 2008 7:29 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why didnt they fine Norv Turner after the Denver game?

"If Denver beats us, I'll walk back to Detroit" - Alex Karras

by Denver Diehard on Oct 18, 2008 12:28 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Because Hochuli admitted he made a mistake

"It doesn't dissipate" ~ Mike Shanahan

Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 4

by weazel on Oct 18, 2008 12:37 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

This was the right decision by the NFL.

And it’s crystal clear.

Bly’s comments went to the heart of the rule. You can’t be critical of the officials motives. It’s bad enough to question the call (which I might defend), but to go after an official’s integrity (calling it a make-up call, as Bly insinuated) is way over the line.

In most businesses, if you go into public and run down the company you work for, you get fired.

Whether the call was correct, or whether it was a mistake, to hint that it was purposeful is slanderous, and Bly deserves the fine. He also knew the rule on slandering officials.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Oct 18, 2008 7:28 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

[This post has been edited by the NFL]

Any company that stifles free speech scares me a little. Just because you can doesn’t make it right. However, just reading his comments when they were made, you could tell he was going to get fined.

by Sneaky Sean on Oct 18, 2008 8:30 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Free speech is a pretotection against government, not private business.

If I run a (let’s say) a McDonalds, and one of my employess tells the media that my food is is bad, he’s getting fired, not fined. Bly told people that the refs fixed the game as a make-up call, and that’s intolerable. In any other business venture he would be out of work.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Oct 18, 2008 8:58 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that the differences

in most opinions here can be summed up by those favoring a constructive approach versus a deconstructive approach.

The fine seems to accomplish very little, outside of enforcing sanctions that frankly seem draconian to me, even within a company. The number of fines being levied tell me that lines of communication are NOT open between the men who work in professional football, from refs to owners to players. I firmly believe that communication is compromised throughout the NFL and it leads to outbursts like this, that have no bearing on the situation at large, and fining players or coaches or owners or even refs does nothing to help correct the situation and to establish those missing means of communication that will keep all sides informed and able to use their reason to the best of their ability.

On a side note, but still relevant I think, is that the NFL, as a business, seems to have closed off a portion of its workings from the power of reason. I haven’t given it enough thought to list out the portion in detail, but it definitely involves many of the fines that get handed down, possibly its way of using officiating, and I suspect the relationship of the owners to the league itself, which is the source of the rules which govern officiating and fining. If I had to venture a theory at this early point in the thought process I would say that the differences, philosophically, between the owners, leads to contradictions that filter down to the playing field every sunday. Usually, this is solved by strong leadership, but I think that Goodell makes a better right hand man than an actual leader. He seems to react well to events, and to execute operations well, but he also seems to lack foresight, and his objectives since taking his psition seem way to concrete-bound to me, to range of the moment. To wit, everyone knows there is character problems in the NFL (in the world, really). Choosing to not spare the rod is a very superficial solution to a much deeper problem, involving virtue and accountability. Instead of punishing NFL players who act like thugs, more effort should go into NOT HIRING THUGS in the first place. I know lots of companies who don’t have problems with employees giving them an image problem, because they have evolved hiring practices that prioritize the proper character traits, instead of sweeping them under the frayed edges of a “success” carpet. That the fines might work in the short term of curtailing bad behavior is also a short-sighted apprasial of the situation in my opinion, since as soon as a decent lull in the fining appears, the bad behavior will crop back up again and require a new cycle with the rod.

The NFL is very successful and really seems to be growing, but it feels to me like they don’t have any plans for the quality of their product. THey are headed down a path where they will reach a critical mass for the coonsumer’s value of their product, and lots of businesses have died by substituting quantity for quality. That is bad business in my eyes, and pragmatism, the range of the moment, shortsighted adoption of “whatever might work at the moment”, is a horrible business philosophy.

On an additional sidenote, I think that Bowlen would make a great NFL commisioner, but not at the expense of leaving the Broncos…

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by Jeremy Bolander on Oct 18, 2008 10:21 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

All points are very good Styg.

But can we agree that there is a difference between fining a player for being upset about a “bad call”, versus fining a player who attacks the integrity of an official? I think the court anology works here. If an atty undermines the credibility of a judge by stating that the judge was on the fix, that atty is likely to get sanctioned (either by the bar or by the court). Just calling it a bad decision is different (in my book) from calling it rigged. If there was some truth to it, that might be different. But I don’t think ayone honestly believes that an owner run league would shoot itself in the foot by cheating their own owners on this call last Sunday.

What makes it more justifiable (in my opinion), is that I think most folks saw this fine coming a mile away. Also, I don’t think that the players union is going to go to bat on this one.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Oct 18, 2008 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely

no disagreement there.

I would caution that Bly spoke out of frustration, and that there is a source for that frustration, which, I believe is a sign of a much deeper problem, specifically that players feel disconnected from a vital part of the game.

But I have no problem with the execution of the sanctions in this case, they are warranted by the letter of the law and to be expected.

I do, however, take exception with the letter of the law.

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by Jeremy Bolander on Oct 18, 2008 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

replace "law" in my comments

with “orginazational rules”.

For a debate that goes nowhere if it starts talking about “rights” and government, I was in error referring to the rules as “laws”.

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by Jeremy Bolander on Oct 18, 2008 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great Dialog between styg and HT

excellent points from both. I love the comment

more effort should go into NOT HIRING THUGS in the first place.

Great insight styg. It’s stuff like this that always keeps me coming back to the best sports site on the intertnet.

That’s ok with me. We’re playing for wins, not media publicity....HT 9/11/08

by firstfan on Oct 19, 2008 8:12 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I think not hiring THUGS

is right where the Broncos are right now in terms of player selection and development.

That’s ok with me. We’re playing for wins, not media publicity....HT 9/11/08

by firstfan on Oct 19, 2008 8:14 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

All companies stifle free speech. As HT says, the 1st Amendment only applies toward the government. And hell, this isn’t even the most egregious sort of interference with opinion that companies practice. The NFL fining Bly because he might hurt the company image is perfectly reasonable. If you really want to complain about the private sector and censorship, then get up in arms about their threats to pull advertising dollars from print, radio, and television that try to make any sort of controversial statement. Still well within their rights, but scarier in terms of what information and ideas Joe Citizen has access to.

by jaffe28 on Oct 18, 2008 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where does all the fine money go?

Is it given to charity, the owners, who?

by Sneaky Sean on Oct 18, 2008 8:32 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I am pretty sure it goes to NFL Charities

somethings wrong, Trying to conquer these fears i thought were gone. And it's been so long, I'm dying to live in a world i don't belong

by broncfanstuckinsd on Oct 18, 2008 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bly

is and has been overrated since he has been in the NFl, cant stand the guy. But he was was doing fine until he claimed it was a conspiracy. While I dont like the fine, he crossed the line on the integrity of the officials. I like commish Goodell. He is cleaning up the game. It got lax uder taglibue. Who was a ok commish. Goodell is trying to get player conduct under controll. I like it, even though I do think he is inconsistent. This league doesnt need or want to be considered a thug league like the NBA is thought of. I while applaud what is trying to the players need to shut their big fat yappers to the MSM if they dont want the NFL to look into what they say. Plus this isnt a freedom of speech issue. The NFL is a private enterprise and can make and enforce their own rules. Its a privledge to play in it, and nowhere near a right. So basically Bly has to options be quiet or talk and dont be surprised if he gets fined. I am getting tired of people trying to think its his right to complain and not suffer the consequences of his actions. He and all players in the NFL knows what is gonna happen if they are critical of officals and the intgerity of the game.

somethings wrong, Trying to conquer these fears i thought were gone. And it's been so long, I'm dying to live in a world i don't belong

by broncfanstuckinsd on Oct 18, 2008 11:44 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Isn't there a process for complaints like Bly's?

I’m pretty sure that there is a process for complaints from players and coaches regarding the officiating of a game. It was brought up after Payton got his fine that if he had gone through the proper channels to file his complaint, nothing would have happened.

Now, if Bly has a complaint, I guess he’s supposed to go to Shanahan and complain and if Mike agrees that it needs to go to the next level, he files a complaint with the league. If Shanny thinks that Bly’s complaint is bogus and he just needs to step up and play he can round file the complaint.

"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game

"I love your analysis of our team. Its kinda like watching a spider monkey trying to figure out a jar of peanuts.. you know whats going on.. you know whats in there, but to actually figure it out, is just a bit beyond your mental skills..."
- Bronco Dano

by DesertBroncoFan on Oct 20, 2008 9:36 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

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