Oline Watch UPDATE WEEK 8
The point of this post is to gather the information needed to keep proper track of what appears to be an all time NFL record setting offensive line. To wit:
Fewest Sacks Allowed in NFL History
7 MIA 1988 (16 games) .43/game
8 SF 1970 (14 games) .57/game
STL 1975 (14 games) .57/game
9 NYJ 1966 (14 games) .64/game
WAS 1991 (16 games) .56/game
Broncos Current Pace
4(5) in 7 games .57/game(.71/game)
on pace for: 8(9) in 16 games
(Per Spock's recommendation, I have extrapolated out the actual sacks and then added the single "odd" sack from the Charger's game. I believe that will prove to be the truer mark to target.)
Additionally the Broncos are on an even better pace when it is described in terms of sacks allowed per attempt.
Att: 258 Sacks per attempt: 1/65 (1/51)
Obviously the numbers above are awesome, but without the All-Time record in the sacks allowed per attempt category, it is inconclusive to say that they are on pace to be the best. Perhaps someone knows where that data can be found, or maybe Guru can reach out to the Broncos, as I suspect that they have those numbers.
Something else to keep in mind, at least as a look at offensive efficacy, is the olines penalty numbers to this point in the season:
Penalties and assessed yards: oline
Harris: 1/15yds (unnecessary roughness after a play)
Wiegmann: 1/5yds (false start)
Kuper: 1/5yds (false start)
Clady: 2/15yds (illegal formation, holding, holding-declined)
Hamilton: 3/35yds (chop block, holding, holding, holding-offsetting)
Total: 8/75yds
Keep those numbers in mind next time the Broncos march into the redzone and score: it is approximately 400% better than the same situation in 2007, and we all know about our redzone woes and offensive stallouts from then...
Bonus Offensive Rookie of the Year Vigil
Yes, I know this is all for naught, as Clady is not only an offensive lineman, but also a perrenially shafted Denver Bronco, but it doesn't hurt to keep track. There is the slightest, teensy chance of a breath of an impression of a glimmer of a gnat's butt of a hope that he could get a vote or two, based on last years OROTY ballotting, where Joe Thomas, the rookie 1st round tackle for the Browns was the only other player to receive votes besides Adrian Peterson.
On that note, the comparison between Thomas, the Rookie Pro Bowler, and our own aspiring Ryan Clady will be used as the benchmark for this analysis. And with attention, maybe they will make a point of recording offensive line statistics in the future.
Joe Thomas
16 games started
0 sacks allowed at LT
7 total penalties totalling 40yards
one game with multiple (2) penalties (back to back false starts)
anchored oline that only allowed 19 sacks in 545 attempts (T3rd in sacks allowed)
Ryan Clady
7games started
0 sacks allowed at LT
2 penalties totalling 15yds
0 games with multiple penalties
anchors oline that has allowed only 4(5) sacks in 258 attempts (2nd in sacks allowed)
Week 8 Update: The NE game really hit these numbers for a loop, and that is to be expected with a young line. The vigil continues however, and a solid second half should have this oline still ranked among the greats of all time....
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This was a concern coming into the season
and I am quite impressed at how they have performed this year. They have done a great job of protecting Jay and hopefully it will continue. Cutler still has things to work on as he has stated so at least he is getting plenty of protection in order to improve.
"It doesn't dissipate" ~ Mike Shanahan
Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 4
by weazel on
Oct 18, 2008 7:31 PM MDT
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Oh and nice work on the figures there styg.
"It doesn't dissipate" ~ Mike Shanahan
Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 4
by weazel on
Oct 18, 2008 7:32 PM MDT
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Royal hads a better chance at rookie of the year than Clady
b/c of him being an o-lineman and what not
by Sneaky Sean on
Oct 18, 2008 7:51 PM MDT
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I think you are probably right Sneaky
even though Clady’s contribution is huge.
That’s ok with me. We’re playing for wins, not media publicity....HT 9/11/08
by firstfan on
Oct 18, 2008 7:55 PM MDT
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Later on
perhaps duringthe bye week I was planning on adding a OROTY competitor’s section to this post, to keep track of who all should be getting consideration.
I understand bias towards a position that compiles statistics, but I don’t think the process is too close-minded for an olineman to win, I mean, SOMEBODY was casting votes for Thomas last year. That said, I am not putting this up here to prove that Clady should get the honor, just that he is deserving of it. Whether he gets seriously considered or not comes down to his play, and whoever is also under consideration. Right now I can only think of Jonathon Stewart and Eddie Royal as competition, but I haven’t looked into it much. Royal has already missed a gmae and Stewart is hit and miss in Carolina, but a key part of their program.
We owe it to ourselves to keep track of the situation.
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by styg50 on
Oct 18, 2008 8:03 PM MDT
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Bias.
Matt Ryan is going to win this award for several reasons. QBs get too much credit/blame for their team’s record and he’s at the helm of a great turnaround in Atlanta. The second is that, outside of ridiculously bad games at Tampa and Carolina (two solid teams), he’s been pretty spectacular. I’m with you that Clady might well deserve the award (just as Joe Thomas might have last year) but it’s just not going to happen.
Here we go again: http://thefulldeck.blogspot.com/
by ejruiz on
Oct 18, 2008 8:16 PM MDT
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Agree
felix jones another strong candidate, but Ryan gets the nod for exactly the reason you mention, getting too much credit at the helm of that Falcons team.
Other names to keep an eye on:
High consideration: Felix Jones, Johnathon Stewart, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Matt Forte
Medium consideration: Chris Johnson, Eddie Royal, DeSean Jackson, Ryan Clady, Jake Long
Low consideration: Dustin keller, Steve Slaton, McFadden
I think i’ll put a post together during the bye week to keep track of this. Another thing to watch is Special Teams Rookie of the year (not NFL, but given out by multiple reporting outlets), where Brett Kern has to be considered.
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by styg50 on
Oct 18, 2008 8:32 PM MDT
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Sack pace
1(2) in 6 games .16/game(.33/game)
on pace for: 2.5(5) in 16 games
That’s an amazing stat, but I’d do the math a little bit differently. First, since we’re very unlikely to have another faux sack, I’d simply take the projected figure for real sacks and then add one to it, for a projected end-of-season official total of 3.5. Of course, sacks come in whole number increments, even if defensive players sometimes get half credits, so a conservative projection would be 4. That would be an amazing record, and it needn’t detract from the o-line’s accomplishment to note that Cutler has much better pocket awareness and moves better in the pocket than he did last year. To me that’s one of the most notable aspects of his maturation. And of course what makes the accomplishment even more remarkable, on the part of Cutler and the line is, as you point out, that the Broncos have been throwing a lot of passes per game.
Needless to say, for reasons me all understand, Clady will not win rookie of the year no matter how much he deserves it. That always goes to a “skill” position. I did read an article the other day, which I should have fan-posted (don’t think I did, anyway), in which it was remarked that Clady has exceeded the Broncos’ expectations. Given how high those expectations were, that’s pretty remarkable itself. And he’s just a rookie! He’s going to get better, people, lots better. Maybe next year he’ll block two rushers at a time, thus freeing up somebody to pick up all-out blitzes.
Speaking of special teams, Royal’s average is up there but I think he’s been even better than people realize. Although our special team coverage and blocking has improved, it seems to me the Broncos’ punt and kick return units don’t open seams as well as elite units do. That’s why Hall keeps running into a wall. Royal has simply made unblocked players miss. But there may also be subtleties I’ve overlooked. Martinez looks like a lumering elephant out there compared to Royal, yet he surprisingly often breaks off big returns. Either he’s good at deciding where and when to cut upfield, or is good at setting up the defenders so as to make the blockers’ jobs easier (or both). (No doubt the coaches see things that I totally miss.)
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
by spock on
Oct 19, 2008 1:59 AM MDT
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I'll update the post for the bye week
and switch to your method. Excellent points.
And I will also include Royal to be looked at for STROY.
I have a thought on O’brien’s kick return strategy, where he wants double teams further up the field, to maintain longer blocks, but expects the returner to make two guys miss. Just a theory since it is rare to see the whole play develop. I do agree tha tour blocking units have a long ways to go it seems, hopefully it is just a handful of mental errors, and not another indictment of O’brien’s ST strategy and coaching skill.
Something to keep in mind is how many of our STers are young competitors who would look good moving into the starting lineup in coming years (polumbus, crowder, woodyard, larsen, et al.) We need to continue drafting strong if we want any success of this unit to carry over past this year and next…
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by styg50 on
Oct 20, 2008 1:03 PM MDT
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probowl ?
Around week 3 stories were hitting your favorite NFL shows about cladys emergence.
since then dropped off probably because of the broncos offensive rutt . In some earler
posts about clady I predicted around week 7 he should be receveing moderate
national attention . with a quick offensive start monday nite and the solid play we
have seen so far . Someone somewhere will start the calling for clady to being
voted to the probowl . what other LT in the AFC right now deserves to go. Iwill
be very suprised and probably mad if that dosent happen soon
by broncosfaninphilly on
Oct 19, 2008 8:28 AM MDT
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What we really need...
We really need someone with a paper like the Denver Post or the Rocky Mountain News to write an article covering these numbers. I know that is unlikely to happen, but that is probably the only way for the column to get picked up nationally…
by hai17 on
Oct 19, 2008 4:41 PM MDT
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rec it
or buzz it if styg would put on the buzz button.
That’s ok with me. We’re playing for wins, not media publicity....HT 9/11/08
by firstfan on
Oct 19, 2008 9:05 PM MDT
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buzzable now
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by styg50 on
Oct 20, 2008 11:51 AM MDT
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and first to buzz it up!
"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game
"I love your analysis of our team. Its kinda like watching a spider monkey trying to figure out a jar of peanuts.. you know whats going on.. you know whats in there, but to actually figure it out, is just a bit beyond your mental skills..."
- Bronco Dano
by DesertBroncoFan on
Oct 20, 2008 12:10 PM MDT
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I try to vote (pro-bowl that is) three times a day.
I would like to see Cutler, Champ, Marshall, Royal, Clady, and Prater all make it.
The best defense is a good offense!
I hope.
by Mike Clark on
Oct 20, 2008 1:58 PM MDT
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Is Brett Kern a Nominee?
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by styg50 on
Oct 20, 2008 3:55 PM MDT
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yes
The best defense is a good offense!
I hope.
by Mike Clark on
Oct 21, 2008 11:59 AM MDT
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I vote for him also
The best defense is a good offense!
I hope.
by Mike Clark on
Oct 21, 2008 11:59 AM MDT
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I am sure Cutler, Champ, and Marshll for sure
and if we can get out of this funk we are in then I think the rest could make it easily.
"It doesn't dissipate" ~ Mike Shanahan
Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 4
by weazel on
Oct 22, 2008 3:23 PM MDT
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Ryan Clady has been the best LT in the NFL this year, by a pretty wide margin
Trust me on this, as I have seen them all play extensively. Second-best has been Joe Thomas, but even he has struggled some. Chris Samuels, Michael Roos (Tennessee,) and Jake Long have been the second tier guys, with Roos and Long being particularly good in the run game. The disappointments at the position have been Walter Jones, Orlando Pace, and Jason Peters, and the award for being absurdly overrated goes to Chad Clifton, who is simply horrible. Matt Light is very overrated too, as we may see tonight (hopefully.) The worst LT is Kwame Harris of the Raiders, but his reputation says he is bad.
"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy
by TedBartlett905 on
Oct 20, 2008 4:37 PM MDT
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Despite the ugly week this week
I still plan on keeping track of this stuff. The updated numbers up there Barely changed through the first six games, they probably won’t change drastically over the next six…. It is that seventh game we need to watch out for. ;)
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by styg50 on
Oct 22, 2008 12:39 AM MDT
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Would be ironic if the blown Hochuli call ends up costing the team the sack record
Or maybe poetic justice is the right phrase.
I am sure the O-Line, Cutler, the coaches, etc would gladly trade that record for more wins, though they would argue that the two go hand in hand.
by MattR on
Oct 22, 2008 1:16 AM MDT
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