New England Patriots 41 - Denver Broncos 7 -- The Aftermath
by John Bena on Oct 21, 2008 8:05 AM MDT
in 2008 Denver Broncos Post Game Notes
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| Category | Broncos | Patriots |
| Score | 7 | 41 |
| Rushing Yards |
106 | 257 |
| Passing Yards |
169 | 147 |
| Total Yards | 275 | 404 |
| T.O.P | 26:03 |
33:57 |
| Turnovers | 5 |
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41-7. It is pretty hard to say it. Even harder to spell it out - Forty One to Seven - yikes. I am going to try not to pile on the negativity, that seems to be handled over in the Fan Posts. I can't say I blame anyone, it was hard to watch. In the end, it is one game, one loss. We can talk about the trends, like the downward spiral of the offense, or the inability of the defense to stop the run, those are all valid points, but this game only counts as one loss and the BYE week allows a beat up Broncos team to hopefully regroup and get healthy.
The stats are above, so I don't need to rehash them for you. I will mention that the Broncos are averaging over 3 turnovers a game the past 4 weeks and that is a certain recipe to fail. It is even worse in the 3 losses the Broncos have earned over the same period - 12 turnovers(4 per game). In short, the Broncos are literally giving games away. Tonight was no different. Two drives into New England territory, two fumbles, two field goals by the Pats. At the least, it was a 12 point swing. At the least. At that moment, everything changes, especially for a team that is thin at running back to begin with.
Look at just the first drive. The Broncos were inside the Patriots 35 yardline, and had the ball for over 6 minutes. The crowd was quiet, the Broncos were shoving it down the Patriots throat, and that was obviously the game plan. The fumble kills all of that. Similarly, the 2nd drive moves into Patriots territory. Another Andre Hall fumble and now things are really in trouble. In the end, the Broncos had the ball for over 8 minutes during those two possessions and had 0 points to show. Instead of frustrating and wearing down the Pats defense, the turnovers invigorate them. The route was on.
It is easy to pile on the defense. Hell, every MSM expert who watches 45 seconds of the game will tell you it is all about the Broncos defense. They are definitely not without blame, that would be a ridiculous argument, but this team was built around the offense. Jay Cutler, Brandon Marshall, Eddie Royal, et al. The Broncos had trouble on defense last season and worried so much about it that they drafted offensive players with their first 3 picks in the draft. Mike Shanahan and Company made a conscious decision that they would try to win with offense this season. For 3 games, it looked like the right philosophy. What happened, however, was the great equalizer. Injuries.
Starting out after Week 1, when WR Darrell Jackson was injured, the Broncos have never really had their full compliment of offensive weapons. Go back a but further, and it was becoming obvious that Ryan Torain was going to be a big factor in the offense. His injury definitely affected what the Broncos wanted to do. The laundry list continues, first with Eddie Royal, then with Selvin Young, Tony Scheffler, Brandon Stokley. Should we be surprised about that, however? All three have injury histories. At this point it is almost a certainty that all 3 will miss time each season, the only problem is they are all gone at the same time. Cutler is bringing a knife to a gun fight.
That leads us to Jay Cutler. Turnovers aside, his finger injury on the very first play of the game certainly had an impact. It was obvious that the finger was bothering him, and we all know the Index Finger on a quarterback's throwing hand is the most important of all the digits. I sincerely hope the injury isn't serious, and Cutler has once again shown his toughness by staying in the game.
That said, I think it is time for Jay to start focusing on football again. Enough with PTI, Best Damn..., and other National Media interviews. Enough with interviews in the Sporting News, enough talking about Elway. Just ENOUGH. When he prepared for football games, without the outside distractions, Cutler was awesome. Each week, he has struggled more and more as demands on his time have grown. I know it isn't my place to tell Jay Cutler what he should and shouldn't do, but the proof is in the results.
That leads me to why I think last night's embarrassing loss could actually work out to be a positive thing. When the Broncos played with a chip on their shoulder, when no one in the country thought they were any good, they were very dangerous. Then the team started 3-0, and Jay Cutler was playing lights out, and everyone started to take notice. The national media wanted interviews. TV shows were doing feature stories about Jay Cutler, or Champ Bailey. The focus stopped being about football. This is a young football team, still devoid of true locker room leadership. Now that the team has bottomed out, the national pundits will likely start piling on the Broncos again. Will start writing about how the Broncos are "paper tigers" and such. Let them. I want to create an "Us against the world" mentality. I like how it looked in September.
Last night was one of the ugliest games I have ever seen the Broncos play. Much like the Lions game last season. It was embarrassing, the offense struggled, the defense got shredded. Injuries are piling up. Still, when the team takes the field in two weeks, with all the negativity that is sure to be spouted by message boards and in the mainstream, the team will still run onto the field to play the Miami Dolphins, at 4-3, as the FIRST PLACE DENVER BRONCOS, I have a feeling we all would have signed up for that back in August. In case you don't believe me, here are the standings --
Don't forget how you feel right now, but don't dwell on it either. We haven't heard the last of the Denver Broncos in 2008.
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Broncos
As far as the last thing you said “We haven’t heard the last of the Broncos”, I hope you are right. Thank god for a bye week.
Electricity
We couldn’t suck more if we had an electro-sucking machine. We are no better than last year, except that the egos on the offense think we should be playing in the superbowl. Last year the offense showed great signs but almost always imploded (turnovers and penalties), except for two or three games. This year, the offense almost always implodes, except for two or three games. Hopefully this brings them back to earth and makes them realize they have to actually show up and play. Maybe they’ll take practice seriously here on out. Elimante the MASSIVE AMOUNT of mental mistakes, and the offense could actually be good (starting with Cutler and Marshall). And if I see Brandon Marshall run BACKWARDS one more time I’m going to, um, not like it very much. Sometimes, dude, ya just gotta lower your head and get what yardage ya can.
Marshall
(Eliminate, of course, not elimante)
Though I will say that was a very crappy call against Marshall early in the game (offensive pass interference). Excuse me?!
Oh, and I’m also sick of the defense (especially Winborn and Webster) grandstanding after every psuedo tackle they make. Guys, that’s your job. Do it with pride, not like your 5-years old and pretending to be a wrestler. Wow, to preen like that when you’re the worst defense in the league. That takes some guts.
And, um, GO BRONCOS!
Sorry, just a little down today. I can’t believe this is a Shanahan-coached team with all these mental mistakes. Time for Shanny to tighten it up dramatically.
quick thoughts on Marshall
Two plays stand out that tell me he is trying to get upfield more than ever: the first was a catch across the middle, perhaps in the third quarter or second quarter. We were in a long down situation and he caught the ball on a comeback, with his momentum already carrying him in the wrong direction. He avoided one guy this way, and came very close to going backwards in an attempt to make the next guy miss, but you could see him change his mind, and instead plow upfield. That he literally changed his mind on that play was as plain as the nose on his face. On another play, late in the game when the Broncos were just running time off the clock, he caught a similar pass over the middle, put his head and shoulders down and plowed through a defender to drive forward for about 5 extra yards. I can honestly say that I have never seen that from Brandon, and that it looked good.
I think he gets it, and while he may still play the hero from time to time (and it might even work from time to time) he will become more and more consistent about getting upfield. The more he does it the better he should get at it too, knowing when to punish the defender, when to avoid the collision, and when make some moves and break it for a big game.
There is nothing but upside with Brandon Marshall.
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by Jeremy Bolander on Oct 21, 2008 9:31 AM MDT up reply actions
I agree; I saw that as well.
When he lowers his shoulder and run over a D-back, he can carry almost any of them 5 yards downfield. He’s got such a size advantage, I kind of wonder why he’d mess around with juking in the first place.
4-2.
Totally agree...
the second play you referenced was perhaps my favorite play of the night. His size advantage over DBs is obvious, but that play really showed how strong the guy is.
by ButteBronco on Oct 21, 2008 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions
I didn't get to watch the game
and was too busy to keep up with it. First thing this morning I jumped out to see the outcome and saw the score……….my first thought was I bet we turned the ball over at least 5 times……….at least I wasn’t surprised. The whole turnover thing really needs to be corrected if we want to win games. You don’t win games with 4 or 5 turnover s, it just doesn’t happen especially when the oposing team has 0 and your defense is near the bottom of the league.
The turnovers and the refs really helped set the tone for a blowout.
I still think that the Pats didn’t need the several blown calls from referees to destroy us, although they sure helped early on to keep the Broncos from gaining any kind of momentum.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
I say it was more turnovers
and stupid penalties by Denver
somethings wrong, Trying to conquer these fears i thought were gone. And it's been so long, I'm dying to live in a world i don't belong
by broncfanstuckinsd on Oct 21, 2008 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions
Injuries and Incompetence
With Jay hurt on the first play, Pittman getting slobber knockered in the first and second series (leading to Hall fumbles), Champ pulling up lame (the final nail in the coffin) and many others (Bly’s injury might have been an upgrade) then Lowry’s inability to make a tackle, Bly’s inability to cover anyone or make a tackle, Hall’s fumbles, Ramsey’s near pick-6, etc., etc., etc.
The 6 sacks were nice, though. I liked the one where DJ and Moss were trying to pull Cassell apart.
God, I hope that Train is the answer!
"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game
"I love your analysis of our team. Its kinda like watching a spider monkey trying to figure out a jar of peanuts.. you know whats going on.. you know whats in there, but to actually figure it out, is just a bit beyond your mental skills..."
- Bronco Dano
by DesertBroncoFan on Oct 21, 2008 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions
The more I see of our defense the more frightening the Wild Cat offense looks.
If the offensive trends continue, we’re going to be in trouble against the mighty Dolphins.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
At least...
we have an extra week to game plan for the wildcat, although I’m not sure that will help either.
by ButteBronco on Oct 21, 2008 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions
Game Changer
The D held NE to six on those first two drives despite the field position. Couldn’t do it three times though and that’s when NE started rolling it up on us. Loosing Bailey hurt a lot.
If Bailey misses the next game
the defense is going to be in a serious hurt. But I think it is a challenge that the players can meet. My concern is still with Slowik. I don’t think he has really laid to rest any concerns that he is any more or less than a cheap, convenient in house defenive coordinator who serves as the mouthpiece for the near obsessive fear of the run that Shanny is developing.
Being run on like this will be the death of Shanny, if the turnovers don’t kill him first.
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by Jeremy Bolander on Oct 21, 2008 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions
On Champ
There has been a lot of his bashing him on this site, but Moss was ineffective while Champ was out there. He got plays after Champ was out. So I hope this loss will show to everyone critical of him, how good he really is.
somethings wrong, Trying to conquer these fears i thought were gone. And it's been so long, I'm dying to live in a world i don't belong
by broncfanstuckinsd on Oct 21, 2008 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Calvin Lowery Stinks
We need John Lynch back. at least he can tackle
Ditto
He reminds me quite a bit of Webster from last year. Seemingly always out of position to make a play, even when the runner is right in front of him (I’m assuming Webster is still out of position most plays as opposing teams still run all over us, it’s just more difficult for me to tell because he’s jammed up in the middle somewhere). And he (Lowery) certainly does not tackle “through” the offensive player. He bounced off the runner like a pinball on several occasions.
Nico
Would it be wrong to put Nico in at MLB on a few plays or series to see how he does? He can’t hit the way Webster can, but maybe he’ll be able to put more players in a position to make plays. And maybe he’ll be able to stop the run, even if he doesn’t destroy the runner like Webster (on very few occasions) can.
I think Niko
would be a smart adjustment at this point. The toughest part would be getting the lockerroom to buy into the move, especially witht eh energy that Webster exhibits.
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by Jeremy Bolander on Oct 21, 2008 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions
The players should look at game film...any change at this point should be accepted by the players on D.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
excellent point
and if he was making hits on ST like boydy suggests it may be easier to absorb.
Decisions like this are why the coach needs to have the respect of his team, and I think Shanny has had that most of his career…
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by Jeremy Bolander on Oct 21, 2008 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions
After looking at Shanahan Monday night...
…I doubt if any Bronco player will dispute any move he makes right now.
We admire in the sea’s rages the total lack of reason and justice, the blindness to all but the laws of it’s own nature;
And quite naturally, since similar feelings and desires lurk deep inside our own minds. A wrecking sea is part of what we all dream ourselves to be every night.
John Fowles
Webster's Energy
Seems to be his downfall as well!
Yeah, he runs around and is fired up, but with the few exceptions last night, he doesn’t seem to be making the plays that he should be making or plugging the gaps that need to be plugged.
Niko or Larsen might not have the energy as Webster, but if they are more solid players, I say go for it. At least put them out there and see what happens. It can’t be any worse than allowing 138 yards rushing from Sammy Morris in the first half alone!
"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game
"I love your analysis of our team. Its kinda like watching a spider monkey trying to figure out a jar of peanuts.. you know whats going on.. you know whats in there, but to actually figure it out, is just a bit beyond your mental skills..."
- Bronco Dano
by DesertBroncoFan on Oct 21, 2008 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions
Niko no, Larsen yes, I think Niko hasn't showed anything this year at least Larsen is making plays on special teams.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
I'd like to see...
the best players on the field, and maybe that’s what we are seeing. Is Winborn is seeing the field in the 3-4 look because he is a natural Will, or is it because the four best linebackers are JW—DJ—NW—BB? I guess I would like to see K2 and Nate as the ILBs in 3-4 looks, with DJ and Boss filling the OLB roles.
Winborn has been inconsistant at best, and that penalty last night was terrible. Why not give it a shot?
by ButteBronco on Oct 21, 2008 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions
Nate Webster has to go....
Hey Gary P. Nice posts.
I agree with you on bringing in Niko…..I would bring in Spencer Larsen as well.
I disagree with saying Niko is less of a hitter….he hits a LOT harder than Webster. The Webster of this yera reminds e a lot of the Webster of last year….he over pursues, misses tackles and to make it worse, soes it from thye MLB position where it screws the defense even more.
Nate Webster is a good guy, but he is not a MLB’s toenail….get him on ST and be a leader there>
I think Larsen has earned a look, but
people with more access than us are 100% sure that Larsen will never be more than a FB. i don’t know why they are so sure, but it doesn’t look like the Broncos are entertaining evena glimmer of a thought of Larsen playing LB.
I don’t like it, but the Broncos seem set on it, and barring catastrophic injuries to the LBs, i think woodyard will play defense before Larsen will…
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by Jeremy Bolander on Oct 21, 2008 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions
Okay
then give Woodyard a shot!
"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game
"I love your analysis of our team. Its kinda like watching a spider monkey trying to figure out a jar of peanuts.. you know whats going on.. you know whats in there, but to actually figure it out, is just a bit beyond your mental skills..."
- Bronco Dano
by DesertBroncoFan on Oct 21, 2008 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions
Webster
is an enigma wrapped in a riddle. Every time you try to write him off he gets the tackle in the backfield or blows somebody up or something. On top of the that the buzz from the bees is that he is one of the leaders in the lockerrom.
That said, i say move on without him. His up and down play is only matched by his up and down emotional swings, and the defense is getting pulled along by those involuntary tugs. I don’t care who replaces him, or for how long, I just want to see the LBs start breaking down before they make open field tackles…
And yes, Calvin Lowry struggled mightily in this game. He missed his gaps on almost every play, missed tackles, got pushed around, etc. And it started on his very first play as a starter… At this point, Barrett’s hitting skills, no matter how raw and undisciplined would have a greater (and better) net effect for this defense. Expect Barrett or Rogers to get moved to the active roster during the bye.
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by Jeremy Bolander on Oct 21, 2008 10:38 AM MDT up reply actions
I am wondering how Lynch was considered less effective than any Safety we now have starting for us...
at the time it looked like a good choice ON PAPER…but in actuality, Lynch had the smarts to make up for a lot of his age limitations.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
I think Bob Slowik had some sort of issue with lynch
I know that sounds like a soap opera, but I will always remember Lynch talking about retiring before the probowl, and he mentionted that Bolwen and Shanny had the red carpet out for him, but he also added (I am paraphrasing a lynch quote) “there are some people in this organization who don’t seem to want me back.” For the life of me I can’t imagine who he was talking about if it wasn’t Slowik. Slowik was his position coach and then his Defensive coordinator. If Shanny and Bowlen want him to stay, in my mind that leaves one guy: Slowik. Maybe Lynch was just taking something personally and out of proportion, but i don’t think so.
Additionally, consider the fact that he was assumed to be a third down player out of the gate, without the beneift of competition, and it seems like someone did indeed have it out for him. Who else would have that kind of say except Slowik?
I think i will look for that Lynch quote, so you guys don’t just hink I am crazy,a nd being a Lynch homer here…
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by Jeremy Bolander on Oct 21, 2008 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions
I remember that quote...no need to look it up.
At the time I assumed it was Shanny, but hindsight is 20/20….Slowik does seem the more likely candidate. So far, 2008 has done little to impress me as far as Slowik is concerned. We are worse in total defense than at this same time in 2007. WORSE! I just can’t believe it could get worse…
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Our pass defense is the worst in the league as is our rushing defense...
in 2007, it was our rush defense that was last in the league. So yes, it has gotten worse….a lot worse.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Lowry
He’s only been with the team a short time. Maybe he’ll get better.
We admire in the sea’s rages the total lack of reason and justice, the blindness to all but the laws of it’s own nature;
And quite naturally, since similar feelings and desires lurk deep inside our own minds. A wrecking sea is part of what we all dream ourselves to be every night.
John Fowles
I hope you are right
We discussed some of his issues in this thread back when he was acquired from TEN. I hesitate to post it because it makes me look like a fool but oh well. :)
I think He was playing SS, which was something we all generally agreed initially would be a bad idea, as he is more of a deep safety type of player. I remember him lined up on the outside of the line several times, though that is not proof that he is being used primarily in run support. Anyone who can look at the tape of the game might check and see if his predominant position was FS or SS. IF it was SS we are making the same mistake that the Titans made, playing him out of position. If that is true, i don’t think he is going to get any better. Even if it is false, however, he looks to be closer to failing than succeeding, based on his tackling.
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by Jeremy Bolander on Oct 21, 2008 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions
You were actually right on all your points....
the problem is, he can’t tackle. lol Is this a Bronco phenomena? tackling seems to be a weak point in our defense…Jay Cutler tackles better when he comes in to stop a turnover return.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
I think they should try Woodyard at safety, at least he can tackle
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
Seriously...
…all we need to do is STOP TURNING THE DAMN FOOTBALL OVER!!!
There is only One Moment—this moment—the Eternal Moment of Now
Enough said.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Turnovers and Penalties
Yep. At least we’d be in the games, losing or winning by a few points. We haven’t really been “in” the last three loses. And if Garcia plays the entire game, we probably lose that one, too.
Hoo Boy
If you didn’t get to watch the game last night you should feel grateful. You can’t ‘unsee’ things and that was like watching my parents get robbed.
We can all try to take solace in the fact that the Broncos are still 4-3 and in first place, but the only reason they’re still in first place is because the Chargers are equally inconsistent.
At the end of the day an offense that can’t score points and a defense that can’t keep anybody else – and I mean anybody – from scoring points isn’t going to be in first place for long.
Let’s hope the Broncos can get healed over the bye and get it together. The next few games are very winnable, depending on which Broncos team shows up for them.
Leadership lacking
The offense definitely has talent. Unfortunately they don’t have a single leader or a player that understands that they need to play with a sense of urgency every down and serious. They also apparently do not know how valuable and important it is to hold on to the football. I blame the coaches for not getting that message accross. They need to start fining guys or making them run laps or something. The lack of concern is very disturbing. It seems that these guys think if they just keep showing up on game day the other team is going to let them win. I’m baffeled by the lack of urgency and visable frustration as well as the apparent overall lack of desire to do what it takes to win football games. These guys make way too much money to be this unprofessional. Mr. Shanahan better figure this thing out soon or no matter how many yards, TD’s etc Cutler and Marshall rack up they will be considered busts! In this league it is all about wins and losses. As for coming out of the bye week in first place….big deal! They are playing like a team that won’t win another game right now and if they don’t turn this around in a hurry that first can turn to last just as fast. I’m pretty sure the team that showed up last night doesn’t have a chance to beat Miami even coming out of a bye week.
I agree
Not to disparage Wiegmann, who I think has done a fine workmanlike job, but things might be much different if Nalen was in the huddle.
We admire in the sea’s rages the total lack of reason and justice, the blindness to all but the laws of it’s own nature;
And quite naturally, since similar feelings and desires lurk deep inside our own minds. A wrecking sea is part of what we all dream ourselves to be every night.
John Fowles
Cutler is an excellent offensive leader
and a lot more than should be expected out of just his second full (so far, fingers crossed, knocking on wood) season. Marshall also sounds like a leader, especially in the lockerroom.
As to the sense of urgency, they are almost TOO urgent sometimes, forcing the ball downfields when patience would better serve them. I thought they had great playcalling to start this game out, a lot of running and playing physical, but things got out of hand with the turnovers. Around turnover #5 the need for urgency passes, and the need to stay healthy becomes more of a priority.
Now, the defense definitely looks frustrated out there, and particularly this week, they couldn’t get out of their own way. Calvin Lowry was a huge part of that. He pretty much misread every running play, was awful in support, missed a lot of tackles and got pushed around by blockers. McCree was pulled because he wasn’t in a proper position to make plays, and wasn’t fast enough to recover. Lowry will be pulled because he keeps making the wrong decisions. Hamza was cut because he had a lot of the same problems as McCree and couldn’t stay healthy on top of that. Lynch quit because he thought he was our best option, but wasn’t being recognized for it, and he may very well have been right. Good safety play, even up in the box would make the difference between 260 yards rushing and 160, not great, but definitely an improvement.
I think our speedy linebackers, including DJ, are getting the most frustrated, and I think when the coaches look at the tape they will realize that no unit is working harder right now than our Dline. That will gain some trust, the LBs won’t be asked to be as reckless and the defense will settle down. At that point, I think we will need to look into who the leaders are on defense and whether they are getting it done.
But the offensive leaders are doing fine. Unless they are the ones commanding turnovers that is…
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by Jeremy Bolander on Oct 21, 2008 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions
Cutler
Remember in one of the first two games when Nate Jackson dropped a ball that Cutler put right in his hands (on the sideline)? Cutler was furious, and said something to Jackson that I hope I never hear. Anyway, I haven’t seen much of that from Cutler the last couple games.
We admire in the sea’s rages the total lack of reason and justice, the blindness to all but the laws of it’s own nature;
And quite naturally, since similar feelings and desires lurk deep inside our own minds. A wrecking sea is part of what we all dream ourselves to be every night.
John Fowles
Fair
I’ll balance the observation a little by pointing out that since cutler doesn’t play for the Patriots chances are we didn’t get to see 90% of what he did on the ESPN game broadcast…
I’d laugh now but it isn’t funny.
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by Jeremy Bolander on Oct 21, 2008 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions
I thought...
…it was more like CATCH THE *&^&#@# BALL!
We admire in the sea’s rages the total lack of reason and justice, the blindness to all but the laws of it’s own nature;
And quite naturally, since similar feelings and desires lurk deep inside our own minds. A wrecking sea is part of what we all dream ourselves to be every night.
John Fowles
i read his lips...an F looking word was in there somewhere. lol
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Who can help us?
I like the wisdom written in the above article and indeed piling on the negativity won’t help.. I would like to get the collective knowledge of our little group here - in free agency next year, who will/could be available on defence at all three levels, we need bigger stronger better tacklers and while the draft could net us a few helpers, I feel we still need another big reciever, a feature type tailback, a better third tight end, and a nastier center for the long haul..(I think they can draft offensive players with much better success) Ray Lewis comes to mind and since I’m dreamin big, how about Haynesworth? As a lone bright spot I saw Jarvis Moss around the ball more, he looks much better as an outside linebacker… So who’s out there in the off season fellas? This fan needs some hope.
Wade Phillips at DC
after the Cowboys fire him as HC. He has a proven history of building solid defenses.
I like it
But does Shanahan like it? And I think Wade’s tenure in Dallas is being measured by the week if not the day.
We admire in the sea’s rages the total lack of reason and justice, the blindness to all but the laws of it’s own nature;
And quite naturally, since similar feelings and desires lurk deep inside our own minds. A wrecking sea is part of what we all dream ourselves to be every night.
John Fowles
I wasnt a big fan
of him the first time he was DC here in Denver. Im sorry any Dc who coached a good Defense to a 55-10 blowout doesnt deserve to come back to Denver.
somethings wrong, Trying to conquer these fears i thought were gone. And it's been so long, I'm dying to live in a world i don't belong
by broncfanstuckinsd on Oct 21, 2008 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions
I think he's an upgrade over what we have now
He left a pretty good defensive unit in his wake at SD (excepting the average secondary). And he was good enough here under Reeves that he was hired as HC over Shanny. If I remember correctly, his Buffalo D was solid, as well.
I know I’m grasping at straws, but I really miss the glory days of dominant Bronco defense. At this rate, we’re going to have to start referring to them as the enver Broncos (no D in Denver).
Wade is a great DC.
I think he’s not a great HC.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Oct 21, 2008 9:23 PM MDT up reply actions
He's too nice
to be an effective head coach.
"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game
"I love your analysis of our team. Its kinda like watching a spider monkey trying to figure out a jar of peanuts.. you know whats going on.. you know whats in there, but to actually figure it out, is just a bit beyond your mental skills..."
- Bronco Dano
by DesertBroncoFan on Oct 22, 2008 8:20 AM MDT up reply actions
maybe so. . . .
But I cant separate the debacle he coached in SB 24. Sure that was a great 49er team, but they only scored 30 against the rams in the NFC title game and had 27 at the half against Denver. I dislike him so. . . .
somethings wrong, Trying to conquer these fears i thought were gone. And it's been so long, I'm dying to live in a world i don't belong
by broncfanstuckinsd on Oct 22, 2008 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions
Three names
Mike Nolan ex Broncos LB Coach and good defensive coordinator
Gunther Cunningham – Great coordinator
Anybody playing on USC defensive this year
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
I know the bye weeks are usually crazy...
but after last night’s performance and the firing of Nolan, does anyone else think Shanny would make a DC switch mid-season and hire Nolan this week? I’m not sure he would go that far, but at this point, nothing would surprise me.
by ButteBronco on Oct 21, 2008 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions
Part of me says don't repeat the mistakes of the past
and reinforce the notion that Shanahan is a love em and leave em type of coach when it comes to his dcoordinators.
Another part says we couldn’t get any worse.
The middle is probably the answer. Nolan was a good head coach, and the debartolos are idiots. He would be wise to wait for an opportunity to coach a franchise with some stability, and may not make himself available to the Broncos.
Additionally, Denver needs to avoid an oaklandish dysfunction where no defensive coach worth his salt will come within arms length of shanahan.
Between the two ideas lies bad timing and attrition. i think tehre are better coaches out there for denver’s D. But i also think that there are better situations for bringing in a new coordinator in the middle of a season. Count on Denver to stay the course and give Slowik what so few have gotten before him: a chance to make up for the mistakes.
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by Jeremy Bolander on Oct 21, 2008 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions
I hope you're right.
With the coaching decisions of the past, should we be surprised that this defense is so inconsistent? Continuity would be great, even if there were better options out there. Drastic changes are actually my biggest fear. If we’re in year three of a five year rebuild, at some point continuity must take form, or else you are in perpetual rebuild zone.
by ButteBronco on Oct 21, 2008 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions
I tell you what....I regret every bad thing I ever said about Coyer...
for all his faults with making adjustments….our defense played well for him.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Great player...
…but no. The weakness of our defense is the center of the field, not the perimeter. Asomugha would cost to much money on a defense incapable of maximizing his talents. We need upgrades at DT, ILB, and SAF.
We need upgrades at those postions
and corner. Bly sucks. He’s an older Paymah. Asomugua would probably be too expensive though.
Un-Playoff bound!
I seem to remember hearing about another QB who enjoyed the spotlight too much.
Of course, I don’t remember directly, because I am too young, but I believe I have heard from numerous sources that John Elway was trying too hard to be Hollywood, to be a superstar. What neither he nor Cutler realized is that when you put yourself in the limelight and play poorly, everyone that was hailing you begins to sh*t all over you.
On a leadership note: I want Cutler to be more like Elway. Elway was the greatest leader that football has ever seen. He was Alexander the Great in cleats. He had his team by the balls, and elevated the play of everyone around him tenfold. He struggled early in a leadership role, as nearly every young QB does, but when he got down to it and atarted focusing on football, well, you know what happened. I hope this is a game that makes Cutler realize that he has to take cntrol of this team. Not by going out to the media and bashing players.
I want him to tell Brandon Marshall to his face not to go backwards. I want him to go to Andre Hall in the locker room and tell him to stop coughing the ball up. I want him to tell his teammates what they’re doing wrong, and how to fix it.
And, I want him to earn their trust. If he’s going to try to be the leader on this team, he has to play like a leader. He has to give it his all on every single play. He has to come in first in all the sprints. And most of all, he has to eliminate stupid mistakes. He has to elevate his level of play before he can elevate anyone else’s. Otherwise, no one will take him seriously. (As a former QB, I know from experience that it isn’t any fun when your team is laughing at you in the huddle for trying to be too much.) It will take time before he can take complete control, but I think if he does it by the end of the season, we will be back to a Super Bowl offense, scoring points at will, and sitting pretty in the playoffs.
4-2.
I'm not asking Jay Cutler to be John Elway.
That would be asking far too much. And I know how much he hates the comparisons. But maybe if Jay could try to emulate his leadership, or ask him for advice when he struggles. That would be a wise move in my mind.
4-2.
I can't complain about Jay Cutler right now....
he is in his second full season as a starter…Elway didn’t win his first playoff game until Year 4. Eli Manning too. Basically, I am of the belief that a QB needs four years before we’ll get any real idea of what the future will hold. I still think Cutler is WAY ahead of the curve as far as young QB’s go. And his potential is even higher.
I force myself not to get upset when Cutler makes a mistake…mistakes are what young QB’s do and Cutler is smart enough to learn from them. We, as fans, need to remember that when he throws a stupid pick or fumbles or misses one of his check downs. We are in Cutler, YEAR 2. By YEAR 4, I expect a lot of those regular mistakes to be completely gone….or mostly so. He is only human after all. lol
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
I agree. I think I came across as too negative.
I was actually somewhat impressed with him last night. Not on the interceptions, of course, but how he didn’t mope, and kept fighting even when we were down by a whole damn lot. I am satisfied with his development so far- especially when you consider the alternative (Plummer) and take a look at all the other guys who were busts (Leinart, Young, Akili Smith, Tim Couch, and of course Ryan Leaf.) He will someday be a very, very good NFL QB. Honestly, I would be very surprised if he wasn’t in top 5 consideration at the end of next season. All I want to see him do is to take on more of a leadership, “field general” role.
Also, in my 8 years or so of playing QB, I only injured my hand once- I did the same thing he did and banged it on a helmet, and was pretty badly bruised. I know how hard it is to throw the ball like that, and when you know you can’t throw it as hard as you want to or put it where you want to, you start to second-guess yourself. I saw Cutler do that a little, but not as much as I was afraid.
4-2.
Don't get me wrong...
I too am a bit discouraged thus far in 2008. My hopes for a 13-3 record are all but finished and the division title is still in the air. Remember last season…we had a chance to pounce on San Diego early and failed miserably. We are doing the same thing this year…shooting ourselves in the foot. I have a feeling San Diego might play their guts out to get a win on our Bye week to really put the pressure on our young team….
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
What does atarted mean?
Is that a swipe at the team’s mental development, or is what Nate Webster did every time Sammy Morris blew by him? lol
Sorry papi I couldn’t resist. You’ll get me back later.
Un-Playoff bound!
Having a life-evaluation. Seriously. Why do I watch?
Ya’ll are so dead-on in stating just how completely DISGUSTING this loss was. Nobody, outside of #24, deserves a game-check for last night. It was the most embarrassing, disgusting effort I have ever seen by a group of “professional” athletes…oh wait, that is…since last year’s debacle in Detroit, and the thrashings at the hand of the Chargers.
The national stage, division standing, all aside…this team flat out did not earn a single dollar of their pay.
Seriously, I’m 31 years old and have been a Broncos fan by birth, nature and nurture for all 31 years. I bleed orange & blue. I know Bronco-fan is despairing this Tuesday…these piles of worthless, shameful ineptitude have brought all of a proud and loyal Bronco nation shame. I turned off this game at half-time, re-evaluating my interest in football. Period. Asking myself why I care, or have any emotional interest in a group of overpaid, completely inept and lethargic young men, that forfeit any credibility or pretense of professionalism? Why do I care? SERIOUSLY….this feels nothing like growing up a Broncos fan, where you could always believe in #7’s heart to overcome the teams’ obvious holes. This squad, no this franchise, has no heart.
The Broncos sure don’t care. I do believe Mike Shanahan does; he’ll try anything. Trade-up to draft a QB, bring in the Browncos, sign Walker, cut Walker, bring in Bates, fire Bates…Mike is scrambling to make things work, here. They DO HAVE the pieces. Pat Bowlen does care. Champ Bailey does care. The rest of them are millionaire quitters. Softies. The worst embodiment of a generation of boys feeling entitled to everything. There wasn’t a single play the lot of you competed in. Tragic embarrassment.
Broncos, you have shamed your city, your fan-base, your owner, your teammates, and yes, your coaches. Each and every one of you should donate your game check to charity. D-Will’s charity would be a great place to start.
Not there yet
Keep building through the draft. This defense needs personnel changes in many areas, but there won’t be any miracles. Now they’re beat up, and the lack of quality depth is frightening. We also need better running backs; I’m not that impressed by the current stable. Probably wouldn’t hurt if Cutler stopped running his mouth, either. Who cares if he has a stronger arm? Jeff George had a big arm, too.
"Be not like dumb-driven cattle...."
Agree, only one loss
But also 3 out of the last 4, all fugly. Including one to the lowly Chefs. This team isn’t good. Alas, it is hockey season! Go Avs. ;)
With the bolts also sucking, the Broncos could still back into the playoffs, I guess. However, would anyone want to witness the pasting that would ensue in their first road playoff game? ANY decent offense will rip this team apart. Heck, even crappy offenses are running over this D.
MHH: Shagging Dater one contributor at a time.
by Bob in Boulder on Oct 21, 2008 11:05 AM MDT reply actions
Last year all over again
SD will gel after the bye, and Denver’s weaknesses will continue to be exposed by opponents. wah.
My take
Denver was awful last night. You could see immediately the game plan changed after JC hurt his index finger. The run was working and if hall hadnt fumbled twice the game could have been different. The Broncos defense played horrible especially after Champ went out. I liked the pressure they applied, but was it because NE OL is that bad? 3/4 of the secondary was garbage last night, pure garbage. Denver allowed NE to run for their most yards since 1986, nice job. But I am keeping a positive spin on things. It is only one loss. 10-6 is still possible. The division is still possible. The Broncos are going to need to run the ball more, just because I dont think anyone call realistically count on the defense stopping anyone right now. I am so amazed how this unit has become so awful in a season and a half. There are plusses. JC is young, Royal and Marshall are great young guys. Clady is a beast. Harris is solid. DJ, Champ and Doom are good and great upcoming players. Heck I think I saw Jarvis Moss get a sack. I know today after the loss everything looks bleak, but the NFL is crazy right now, this could be the game that changes everything for the Broncos.
I dont think they embarrassed Denver, that ship has sailed. Embarrassment is losing SB 24 , 55-10. See with this loss the Broncos get 2 weeks to let this bad taste sit in their mouths, and I feel will come out and give Miami more than they can handle.
somethings wrong, Trying to conquer these fears i thought were gone. And it's been so long, I'm dying to live in a world i don't belong
by broncfanstuckinsd on Oct 21, 2008 11:27 AM MDT reply actions
We need to honestly ask whether
this team would be better off going into a bye week high on a win or hungry after a loss. I think for a young team that still needs to earn its stripes this loss will accomplsih more in the long run than a win.
This season is shaping up almost exactly how the schedule makers wanted it to. Denver vs. SD for the AFC West crown and a home playoff game.
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by Jeremy Bolander on Oct 21, 2008 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions
Great Point
But when San Diego does start playing better, wouldn’t it be nice to have a bigger lead?
Un-Playoff bound!
Yes...
But we are a young team that is learning. SD is an older team coming apart at the seams.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Oct 21, 2008 9:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Let's blame it on...
…the Bikini thread. Isn’t it supposed to be lucky or something? But since it resumed, the Broncos are 0-2.
We admire in the sea’s rages the total lack of reason and justice, the blindness to all but the laws of it’s own nature;
And quite naturally, since similar feelings and desires lurk deep inside our own minds. A wrecking sea is part of what we all dream ourselves to be every night.
John Fowles
It's all the opposing team themed women that is jinxing the thread.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Personally, its the turnover bug that is jinxing the entire team...the bikini thread has nothing to do with anything.
other than mess with our own personal suspicions.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Its really my fault
I have gone to the same bar on all 3 losses. I wasnt at a bar on 3 of the 4 wins. Sorry Guys.
somethings wrong, Trying to conquer these fears i thought were gone. And it's been so long, I'm dying to live in a world i don't belong
by broncfanstuckinsd on Oct 21, 2008 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions
How could you do this to us?
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
I hope you never go near that bar again!
That’s ok with me. We’re playing for wins, not media publicity....HT 9/11/08
I dont have cable
so it was that or not watch them. I guess I would be better off not watching them. I feel so bad, for letting everyone down. I swear it wont happen again, You will all see when Denver starts winning again
somethings wrong, Trying to conquer these fears i thought were gone. And it's been so long, I'm dying to live in a world i don't belong
by broncfanstuckinsd on Oct 21, 2008 4:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Again, from an earlier post this loss goes to the coaches.
If one thing was evidence from last night, this Bronco team was out coached in every facet of the game. The Patriots were motivated, played smart, and played with attitude, nothing you can say about the Denver team.
Lets look at the actual talent on the field, other than the Patriots defensive line, there is no unit on that team that is better talent wise than the Denver team we put out there. We had a better QB, better offensive line, better CB, and I would say we were even with the LB, RB, and WR. That being said, being a great or good coach is getting the talent you have to play to their level. Simply put our coaches failed on that front last night and New England did exactly what they wanted to do.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
I'll say this...
No amount of clever playcalling can make up for fumbles, INTs, missed tackles, overpursuits, getting pushed around on the line of scrimmage, penalties, etc. I’ve been very critical of some of the coaching decisions this year, but I think this game is squarly on the players. Just my opinion.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Oct 21, 2008 9:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Simply Terrible
As everyone else has mentioned some place in their comments, the bronco’s were just terrible. I would really like to find a so called silver lining, or a positive message or a reason to still believe in this young team I have to really consider throwing in the towel.
But having a very short thread of hope left, I will wait till we play the dolphins. After that game we should be able to see very clearly the circling of the drain or a glimmer of hope for one more win if we play well.
I have been very harsh with this team but I do believe they deserve every bit that I had to give along with everyone elses. We cannot sit here and pretend this bunch of clowns are the real deal because they are not at this point and time, they continue to re-write how to totally *#&^ up a football team. Used to only bitch about how bad the defense was and is and they are still so bad we don’t even need to talk about them again. Now the Offense decides the defense doesn’t deserve all the attention so they have been able to play so shitty they are making the defense look just pathetic. So now they both are total screwups. To just be embarrassed is very much an understatement, don’t really know how any of them can look at them selves in the mirror, but that is for another time.
I would like to say maybe the coaches can pull them together but that is clearly part of the problem also. Where is the pride, the disapline, the want to win ,the hunger but most of all being prepared to play on game day, coaches fail on establishing any of these for the team…… Not being a real religious man, I am on my knees praying for this group but so far it is falling on silent ears……
They played terrible only after they were faced with tremendous adversity.
This team is too young to cope with too many bad things happening to them early. The two turnovers and a couple of obvious blown calls by the refs just drained the passion of the guys to go out and play. If you watch the game again, the Broncos came out busting the Patriots in the mouth. They continued even after the first turnover. The second turnover and our guys began with a sense of urgency. Then that offensive PI call just sapped all of the will from our team. The blowout was on at that point…
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Right on.
Your analysis is exactly what I saw happen. The team needs to learn to relax and execute when they face adversity instead of pressing and making mistakes that snowball the situation. The youth of the team is really showing the last month. They haven’t learned how to win even when they don’t play their best game yet. I have confidence that they will though we may be in for a longer wait than the age of Internet and instant gratification makes comfortable.
So....
I guess I didn’t miss much, then?
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Needless to say....
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You missed a garbage time touchdown in the 4th quarter...
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Running bet on if we would get more sacks or have more turnovers in the game
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
In talking to a friend of mine
I came up with the following reasons why we lost in order from greatest importance to least.
1. Turnovers…its really simple, games where we have multiple turnovers, we lose.
2. Cutlers hand…basically eliminated any deep ball threat and as we saw, it was hard for him, especially in the first half to get those balls with the same zip. When you start getting down by a lot, and you cant throw the ball as effectively, thats not a good sign.
3. Lowry…Who the hell is this guy and why is he starting?
4. Champ got hurt…When Champ was guarding R.M. he played great against him, and batted down a couple of passes including one in the end zone. When Bly was on him, giving up size and speed, Moss was able to exploit it.
5. Inability of the offense to stay on the field… This goes back to turnovers, but when you have an offense that is not putting together drives, your defense gets tired (look at the first few NE drives compared to later on in the game. we did much better at the beginning) and they start to get down because frankly they can’t stop anything the other team does.
Compile all those things and i find it hard pressed to find ANY team that could win with those circumstances.
We better figure out how to stop the run this bye week, because after it we play against ronnie brown, jamal lewis, and michael turner. Im already scared thinking what turner will put up against us if we play like yesterday.
I would rank it as follows
1. Coaching
1A.Turnovers
2. Stupid Penalities
3. Lowry and the rest of the ole’ safety corps
4. Not having a true feature back
5. Jay getting hurt
5 . Champ getting hurt
Bottom line we got out coached in all facets of the game, and it showed.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
I'm sorry, but early on some really blown calls hurt us in a big way...
it may have even caused the death blow. That phantom offensive PI was quite a death blow….but then the stupid penalties also. Face Mask on 3rd and 17….doh!
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
And we have the ability to change this, why ???
after losing 3 of the last 4 games is there any reason why we believe this team can change its way on defense?? being honest this defense was bad from the start, we just had an offense that was clicking the first 3 games. Now we have multiple problems, all getting worse from week to week, not better… We can only hope there can be a fix for some of these problems but we can hope for the lottery also. As of now and based on the last 4 weeks, our team is like a one winged airplane and we are losing the last engine on the way down in our spiral…………ssssssssssssssssssssssplat……
I don't think you can fix some of it
Plain and simple, the defense lacks talent up the core (DT, MLB, S) all are average or weak, when a team knows you can run down someone throat then your toast. That being said we can fix some problems, better game plans and coaching of Cutler will help, switch to a gambling type defense, yes we will get burned but at least we also may make plays, and try to make sure that the players understand that fumbles due to poor ball control will not be tolerated and throwing into double and triple coverage is stupid also. Fix those things and no reason we can’t be 9-7 or 10-6, but that is a tall task to do in two weeks.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
No.
We CAN, however, change our ways on offense. The key to winning in 2008 will be offense. When the offense sputters(as they have in the past 4 games) we will need to rely on the defense. The defense had one really solid game in the past four, hence the one victory.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Hangover from Shaw incident
The team I saw on the field was not on the same page. My feeling as I left my buddy’s house after the shutout was negated (minor victory) was how much a locker room disaster was affecting the team.
Only Shaw got suspended – you have to believe some guys are for him not getting suspended, or for Peterson getting suspended or who knows what. Never felt like a team last night – just a group of guys not protecting the football and not executing…
Ick. I hope the bye week is good to them.
HOOSIER and the gang
Been snooping on the board for awhile now. I love the optimism but when you have 9 starters on defense that are well below average in many respects, it’s going to take awhile to get them competitive again.
Offensively, we lack the vertical threat to keep teams honest on our medium and deep comebacks. As great as Marshal is as a target, with his hands, route-running, strength, after the catch and blocking he is but ONE THING- a vertical threat. A Chris Chambers or Vincent Jackson type of vertical player would do wonders for this offense. I see Royal as a PREMIER underneath player with quickness and quick-jumps hands but not a vert guy.
YOUR TAKE
Not sure I agree with BMarsh not being a verticle threat. (Oh and welcome to MHR!)
Take a lot at some of his highlight reals.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dwOoIoJYUA
BMarsh has the height to be a vertical threat in one on one coverage. In the past few games he has always been double covered deep. He has no choice but to get his yards underneath the coverage. Eddie Royal is still working on route running…he is making an impact because of his speed. Once he perfects his route running ability he will dominate as a deep threat.
In the end, I think both Royal and BMarsh will make up the most dangerous vertical threat the NFL has seen since Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne were both in their primes(now its just Wayne). They are both young enough to develop together at the same time and add them with a healthy Tony Scheffler and you are looking at a future passing attack that will be unsurpassed in NFL annals. At least unsurpassed by a very few tandems in NFL History. The key is that they are all under the age of 25…along with Cutler who is 24 as well. Holy Crap! In two years all 4 of these guys are going to be in the prime with a firm handle on the system and each other…they WILL be unstoppable. Period.
Until then….we just gotta hunker down as fans and be patient. We have high expectations, but we have to be patient for those expectations to finally be realized. That’s my take.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
This video is better
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16qhwX26vOA
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
I have seen those videos but don't think
Beast has the speed of a Wayne or Harrison in their prime. Doesn’t mean he doesn’t do a lot of things better, but let’s be realistic. Of the top WR’s in the game, Beast is def. not one of the fastest or anywhere close.
His game speed sure seems tops...if anything his agility will overcome any slowness.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
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