MHR Chalk Talk -- Week 6 - Jacksonville at Denver
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What a difference a few weeks makes! Teams that looked tough going into the season have suffered injuries (Brady in NE) or declined (SD and INDY) while other teams have shot ahead (TENN and DEN). If you had asked me before the season what my thoughts were on JAX, I would have told you that the only thing holding them back was INDY. But their offensive line was decimated by injuries, and the team has never bounced back.
As for Denver, I expected them to sweep KC this year, but to win two of four games against SD and OAK. I also thought that either TB or NO could sneek up on DEN. But KC managed to beat Denver, while Denver beat the other four teams. Denver's offense is playing at a SuperBowl level, and while the defense has looked weak, it showed a lot of talent in week five.
Let's take a look at the Denver / Jacksonville match-up this week, and discuss some if the issues surrounding the game.
Read on...
Denver's progression in the first five games have been instructive.
In game one, a Monday Night Football showdown in Oakland, the Broncos destroyed the Oakland secondary with a rookie receiver, while the number one receiver was under suspension. Denver fans enjoyed beating their arch-rivals, but they enjoyed the air show too.
In game two, Denver was treated to the return of Brandon Marshall. Denver not only repeated a masterful pass game, but beat a division rival that the media was crowning as SuperBowl contenders. But now Denver fans were becoming concerned. The defense declined towards the end of the Oakland game, and seemed absent during the SD game.
In game three, fans were thrilled to beat the Saints. The Saints have a terrific QB, big names on both sides of the ball, and a smart, young coach. But Denver fans began to see a disturbing pattern. The 3-4 was being used quite a bit, but with only three men rushing much of the time. Just as problematic, the CBs were playing zones, and the defensive line was being pushed around. Questions arose about the coverage teams. Some observant fans felt good about going 3-0, but worried that the team would have a hard time winning without a defense.
The KC game came along, and the house came crashing down. Despite a respectable 3-1 start to the season, most fans came together to express concerns about the state of the defense.
Week five (against TB) seems to have answered a lot of questions. Denver played one of the best practioners of the Tampa-2 defense, and did it the right way, by being patient with underneath throws and running the ball. More importantly, the defense looked much improved, and moved away from a vanilla zone scheme to a true zone blitz system (one of the two systems predicted for Denver right here at MileHighReport). Special teams also looked solid on coverage and with several touchbacks. A new hero was born, as Denver fans started to realize they have a star for a kicker.
Now, against Jacksonville, the prime thing to watch is whether or not the defense just had a good week against TB, or whether the defense is for real. This week can go far towards predicting how far Denver can go this year.
Jacksonville in Decline
The first thing you should know about Jacksonville is that they have two seperate identities, something like Jekyl and Hyde. On the one hand, Jacksonville worked hard to build a reputation for running the ball with two solid RBs, Taylor and Drew. But this year, Taylor ranks 31st among RBs and Drew ranks 38th. Jacksonville is also known for their fearsome defensive line and exotic blitz packages. This year Jacksonville is having problems stopping runs, is ranked 21st in the NFL for defense, and will likely be without a starting CB and a starting SAF for this game.
Denver on Offense
Denver can't take Jax lightly. While Jax isn't performing well, they still have the playmakers to turn around a suffering defense. Jax's defensive line remains very physical, as much or more so than TB's. While the OL of Den has demonstrated an ability to protect Cutler from anything, Jax (if playing at their best) will be perhaps the second best test of the year (with the NE defense being first). Denver has the QB and the receiving threats to rip apart the Jax secondary (even without the above mentioned injuries), but an effective pass rush or blitzing would be a new wrinkle for Denver. The line must protect Cutler.
Another consideration is the run game. WHich Jax DL will show up in this game? Is it the one that plugs gaps and wraps runners as they hit scrimmage, or the one Jax fans have been seeing lately? Denver's OL has a reputation this year for being 100% on pass protection, but only "improving" in run blocking. The answer? It may be Pittman.
Denver has a terrific opportunity to wear down the defense this game. The best way to beat a powerful DL is to run at it and wear it down, and with Coach Shanahan talking about mixing Pittman in the rotation instead of just playing short yardage, this may be the time.
Expect Graham to be used often in the pass game, but as a pass blocker. Expect him to be used even more often in the run blocking program. This is the kind of game where Graham earns his money. Many fans love the flash and fireworks of a Tony Scheffler (as I do), but this match-up begs for run and pass blocking skills more than a receiving TE. (Scheffler is likely out with an injury anyway). While Jackson is the likely TE for receiving, Mustard has just been activated, and may have even more value as a blocking TE.
In the passing game, there is some question as to whether Royal will play or not. Recent comments from the team look hopeful. However, with a banged up secondary for Jax, Denver should do well even if Stokely is forced up to #2.
If healthy, I would prefer for (WR) Jackson to play as the #2. In football depth charting, a "sandbag" refers to the clever practice of promoting one man up the chain, instead of bumping several people up. By playing Stokley at #2, we make him play a tougher CB and make Jackson play a tougher CB. By just jumping Jackson, Stokley remains a dangerous threat at slot. Keep in mind that Martinez has been recently activiated by the team, and could see time also.
I expect Denver to run very few 2-TE formations. Denver will keep a FB in (likely Larson over Hillis) to give added protection to Jay, and to hep the inside runs. Denver may also try to stretch the defense by running to the edges. Denver should also try to establish a lead they can protect. Jax will likely try to establish a run game to keep Cutler off of the field.
Denver on Defense
Here again, the trenches should determine the game. Denver has the secondary to stop Jax in that air, but as we have seen through the season, it must be paired with a pass rush. The strength of the Jax offense has been running, and the OL of Jax is built for that purpose. Denver must not get pushed around like last year's game. EIther the defensive line will have to stop the runs at the line, or the LBs will have to tackle effectively.
Jax is built to run, but hasn't been getting it done. Denver's defensive line has been questionable this season, and even in the improved TB game didn't prove that they are ready to stop runs outright.
Will Denver use the zone blitz to slow down the Jax pass game? It was used in the TB game with great effect, and the LBs have the speed to stop QB breaks from the pocket. A good indication of Denver's intentions is to watch formations this week. If Denver plays a 3-4, they will probably make this their base formation. I say this, because a 4-3 would likely be more effective against Jax. Using a 3-4 shows a strong commitment to the system we saw last week. Using a 4-3 may indicate the team is not yet finished establishing their identity.
Special Mention: Special Teams
I don't often include special teams in the break downs. This week I will, because Denver has slowly morphed into a special teams threat.
Kickoffs are becoming touchbacks. I believe I heard that Prater is practicing from 60 or 70 yards for FGs? And our coverage units are quickly improving too. Our kicker is perfect from over 50 yards (four times so far). This means several nice things.
- We have an excellent opportunity to win the field position game.
- Third and long can become 3 points on the board instead of punts from more places on the field.
- Opposing teams may have less of a chance for good returns.
- Good special teams coverage can be good for a few turnovers in a season.
Keys to the Game
Den
- Protect Cutler.
- Limit interceptions.
- Stop the Jax running game.
Jax
- Either get to Cutler or control the clock.
- May have to double cover Marshall.
- Must convert 3rd downs (currently the worst in the NFL).
Overview
I see this game as being won in the trenches. The biggest match up to watch is Denver's OL against Jacksonville's DL. The next area to watch is to see if Denver's defense is for real, or if last week was a flash in the mist instead of being part of an improvement in stages.
If Jax plays the way they have been, Denver should win in a blowout. If Jax plays to the potential of its current roster (particularly at HB and DL), this game could be very close. If the latter is the case, Denver's special teams may be the cavalry.
Jacksonville's incentive is to get to the .500 mark, and have a bye and three teams with losing records ahead. Denver's goal is to establish confidence in the defense and special teams, and to establish a record that can't be denied. Currently ranked as the third best team in the AFC (by tie-break), a 5-1 record would clearly establish Denver as a first tier team.
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The trenches is where it is.
Your first sentence in you overview says it all. The Jags are a physical team and we can’t be pushed around. The way we played against TB makes me feel a little bit better going into this game. The Jags defense has applied the pressure this year it has been known for, so we better expect them to change things up a bit.
"It doesn't dissipate" ~ Mike Shanahan
Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 4
by weazel on Oct 9, 2008 3:43 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I think we need to make the Jags run
Sounds silly, but when you look at their defense they are physically much stronger than us, but I think playing in Denver, we need to make that defense run and chase, I would say a lot of misdirection, screens, sweeps, and other plays where our line can get out and run in space, their DT will have a hard time keeping up with us and that will be how we win on offense, tire out the front 7 so in the 4th quarter we can run clock and our standard zone plays will work.
On offense, again it will be critical to control the line of scrimage and make sure Drew and taylor are running east west, if they are going north-south, much harder to tackle. The other thing is keep Garrad in the pocket, so that means rushers need to stay in their lanes, Garrad on the run or out of the pocket is much tougher to defend, he is so hard to tackle in the open field and so strong. I think as long as we get hands and bodies around him and pressure him, then I am not too worried. Sacks would be great, but if we don’t contain him then he will blister us like last year.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
by Broncoman on Oct 9, 2008 3:59 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great point on forcing the Jax defense to stop the run.
That’s a very viable point, and I don’t think it is silly at all. In fact, I wrote:
Denver has a terrific opportunity to wear down the defense this game. The best way to beat a powerful DL is to run at it and wear it down, and with Coach Shanahan talking about mixing Pittman in the rotation instead of just playing short yardage, this may be the time.
Good call Broncoman!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2008 4:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent comment Broncoman
Let’s not forget that the mile high altitude can be a real friend.
That’s ok with me. We’re playing for wins, not media publicity....HT 9/11/08
by firstfan on Oct 9, 2008 4:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good work.
I just wanted to add Denver may need to be concerned with Garrard’s ability to run. He’s had some success with that this year, and it could particularly be a factor on 3rd down.
by nburns on Oct 9, 2008 4:00 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Garrard had the biggest run in the PITT game.
But it was 12 yards. You are right though, most people outside of JAX don’t realize what a scrambler Garrard can be.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2008 4:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. I was thinking mostly about the Texans game.
I believe he ran for like 40 yards or so that game, but it was the timing of the runs that was most impressive. I believe on their touchdown drive in the 4th he had several runs for first downs, and then finished off with a touchdown run.
by nburns on Oct 9, 2008 5:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
What great insight!
I read some of you MHR U postings, and was thouroughtly impressed what you have come up with. Where do you get your analysis from? Is it just by watching the games? When you talk about the tendencies of teams, it obviously requires time. How do you do it?
Great stuff by the way!
by JagsCub on Oct 9, 2008 4:07 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Your reply is below...
…under “Thanks for the questions”. Even associate editors hit the wrong reply button here and there! : )
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2008 4:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the questions.
I used to be a HS defensive coordinator. My facination was with systems, and I watch pro games with system match-ups in mind (even more so than player match-ups). I read an awful lot, and try to keep up with coaches and coordinators in the news (when coaching styles are discussed). My program was also fortunate enough to be able to fund several trips to some nice coaching seminars, where I was able to sign up for presentations on HS, college, and professional topics given by college and professional coaches.
The truth is, sometimes I have to cram very hard, because I am not fully aware of what a team is doing in a particular season. (Most of us are still figuring out the Denver defense, which seems to be shifting to a zone blitz program. Had I been a writer for another team, it would have been terribly hard to prep for the game. Fortunately I cover the team or keep up with it daily).
I’ve also noticed that very few articles exist on the internet about systems. I hope it remains an interest for many readers.
Thanks for your very kind words!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2008 4:40 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
It is!
Like you said, it’s an under-reported niche in the football analysis world.
That is one thing I really like about football: the diversity of players, positions, and formations makes for an awful lot of “systemallity”, something you don’t see as much of in most sports.
Jason
The Hanging Curve
by poorboywilly on Oct 9, 2008 7:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I find chalk talk to be...
…one of the better parts on this site. I uually can’t wait for it to come out.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Oct 10, 2008 12:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear ya.
"It doesn't dissipate" ~ Mike Shanahan
Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 4
by weazel on Oct 10, 2008 7:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another great chalk-talk HT! Thank you
Also guys, 42 votes and I am the first buzz! Tell me it ain’t so. This is excellent journalism and deserves to be buzzed!
That’s ok with me. We’re playing for wins, not media publicity....HT 9/11/08
by firstfan on Oct 9, 2008 4:50 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I was the second.
I haven’t figured out the other ones yet. Will do that this weekend. I am lazy, I know. But, it’s my 30th birthday dammit…I can do whatever the #$^# I want! :)
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
by Tim Lynch on Oct 9, 2008 4:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
Great Stuff!
I’ll have my take on this up tomorrow morning, if you’re interested in the Jaguars “teal glasses” version.
-c
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by River City Rage on Oct 9, 2008 4:57 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Please let us know when it's up
looking forward to it.
by CoastalBronco on Oct 9, 2008 5:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll be interested to hear your take on this game.
"It doesn't dissipate" ~ Mike Shanahan
Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 4
by weazel on Oct 9, 2008 9:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
HT -
Great stuff, as usual. Rec’d and buz’d!
One Q – Does JAX play the 4-3? Thanks
Fullbacks Rule
by Emmett Smith on Oct 9, 2008 5:00 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
For awhile they featured one of the best DT tandems in the NFL; Henderson and Stroud. The line remains one of the best, and the entire front seven is very physical. Despite the talent, the team isn’t doing well.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2008 5:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
HT Bear mentioned said, "and buz'd!"
I’m one of those that don’t go somewhere without knowledge. What is ’buz’d’ ?
The best defense is a good offense!
I hope.
by Mike Clark on Oct 9, 2008 6:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike
Buzzed – look at the button up above on the right (near the title) It helps promote the article around the web – and HT’s always deserve that!
Fullbacks Rule
by Emmett Smith on Oct 9, 2008 9:31 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks Bear
The best defense is a good offense!
I hope.
by Mike Clark on Oct 10, 2008 7:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
HT these chalk talks are great--I really like them--a person could read every sports report and not get what you give in 'Chalk Talk'
That being said…I hope this isn’t another KC afair in the making. Jacksonville is a much better team than what the NFL has seen so far this season—even with this funny start I think they will win their division. They’ve had some injuries and problems with their OL hurting their running game—but so did we last year when we played the Steelers.
In your ‘Prater’ poll I voted ‘still not sold’ …I need to see a high-preasure last minute kick for a win to forget Elam.
I think it will be this game—not sure why—I just think this will be a close game.
If I am wrong then maybe Cutler will go 34 of 37 for 427 yards, 5 TD’s, no INTs, and the game is a blowout.
I’m trying to get a visa back to la-la-land—go Broncos!
The best defense is a good offense!
I hope.
by Mike Clark on Oct 9, 2008 6:01 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Welcome back to LA land!
I luv the “Blowout” concept. I do think that we will B running more this game but that just may B what sets up the Five touchdown throws. You just got your visa back, Mike!
GO GETTUM BRONCOS…………….Buz up! Thanx HT for the KO report. You just jeep coming through 4 Us!
by metalman5050 on Oct 9, 2008 6:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
metal...I can't move back into the land yet...
I need to see another defensive effort…..and one that works….and then I will see the Monday after (against New England) and see where we are at the buy.
Thanks for the visa for la-la-land. I’ve been spewed out—it takes something special for me.
The best defense is a good offense!
I hope.
by Mike Clark on Oct 9, 2008 7:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Denver 3-4
In looking at the defense Denver does not appear to be playing a standanrd 3-4. They appear to be rushing 3 and dropping 8 in coverage. Boss Bailey fakes the blitz but then drops into coverage. It is basically a 4-3 with one of the lineman as a linebacker that is dropping into coverage. I see no creative linebacker blitzes from it. Therefore the talk of switching Moss to LB would really not change anything. It is not a Joe Collier 3-4 and Moss would not be used as a Simon Fletcher MauiBroncoFan
by mauibroncofan on Oct 9, 2008 6:36 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
thank you!
i just posted a similar comment in the “jarvis moss” fanpost. this is not a real 3-4, so what are people talking about? all i see is an ineffective 3-man rush on 3rd/long-yardage plays, unless(rarely), we blitz. if we go to a full-time 3-4 with these players, we will get run over. if we go to a zone-blitz package then we may be ok, but i would like to see 4 men rushing on the line, standing or sitting, at all times.
hear me, perpetrators of bread crime, your punishment is at hand.
taste my blintzkrieg!
by davecheffy on Oct 9, 2008 10:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
What changed was the game against TB.
The Bailey blitz was a gimmick, and not something he would do often in any system. It worked (in part) because Bly (on the other side) pulled a RB to pass block weakside while Bailey came in.
The 3-4 we saw in the TB game wasn’t so much a Collier type of program, as it was a Lebeau type. While we still saw some 3 man rushes, we also saw our CBs play more man coverage and saw more blitzing. Unlike the previous games, I think the TB game was indicative of the defense moving forward in a positive direction.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Oct 10, 2008 2:46 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do we have a defensive system
I have been trying to figure out if Slowick has a system/philosophy that he is tweaking and adjusting to fit the personnel he has or if he is game planning and changing things up each week based on the offense we are facing.
by MattR on Oct 10, 2008 10:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's too early to tell.
But it looks like Slowik may be implementing a zone blitz system in stages. Stay tuned for a joint Styg / HT article on the issue.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Oct 11, 2008 1:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where is Scheff on the injury report
on the front page?
by Sneaky Sean on Oct 9, 2008 7:22 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
out for this game
The best defense is a good offense!
I hope.
by Mike Clark on Oct 9, 2008 7:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
As is Selvin
"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game
"I love your analysis of our team. Its kinda like watching a spider monkey trying to figure out a jar of peanuts.. you know whats going on.. you know whats in there, but to actually figure it out, is just a bit beyond your mental skills..."
- Bronco Dano
by DesertBroncoFan on Oct 10, 2008 8:11 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another great chalk talk. MHR bloggers are spoiled by such good writing.
Nice to see the ST writeups, that is such as essential aspect of the game. It is even more interesting because ST can be such an unpredictable wildcard activity.
by Arctic Bronco on Oct 9, 2008 9:04 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
thanxs for the write up
ur writing makes this easier to understand :)
by JaysGirl on Oct 10, 2008 10:23 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I think your avatar is better than a lot of the entries for the bikini thread.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Oct 10, 2008 12:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Clark
Thanks for being reasonable. I think this is the game we explode. Jags 31-17.
by harveyismyboy on Oct 12, 2008 7:33 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

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