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Here's Hoping 'GIRR' Is Wrong

I have noticed a pattern with the Broncos, one that has seemed to hold 99.3% of the time.  There may have been once, when Jake Plummer was quarterback, or John Elway, that the rule wasn't followed.  With any other position it is able as ironclad as can be,

Of course, I am talking about the Guru Injury Report Rule, GIRR for short.  The concept behind GIRR is pretty simple.  Look at the injruy report for the week, specifically on Friday.  If a player is listed as a 'Limited Participant' in Friday's practice they aren't going to play on Sunday.  Take a look, it has been 100% accurate this year.  It has been that way in the past as well.  Shanny is a huge believer that a player needs to fully participate in Friday's workout in order to be effective on Sunday.

I bring this up now becuase as much as I enjoy being right I want nothing more than to be wrong.  Six Broncos are listed as 'Questionable' on Friday's final injury report.  That means they are 50/50 to play.  Look deeper, however.  4 of those listed didn't fully participate in Friday's workout -- Andre Hall, Brandon Stokley, Tony Scheffler and Selvin Young.  The other two - Ryan Torain and Michael Pittman - participated fully on Friday.  Take a guess on who you think will be active and who won't be.

Being without any of the 4 that are likely to be out could be problematic.  To be without all of them could be down-right unrecoverable.  The Broncos offense has been running in place since Scheffler and Stokley went down, and while Hall got beat down for the fumbles in New England he has been the Broncos primary kick-off returner and has doen a decent job to say the least.  Selvin Young gives the Broncos some lighning at running back and the offense is definintely missing his speed.

Even if Pittman and Torain do play, and I believe they both will dress, what can the honest expectation be of both players.  Shanny said as much this week, saying he would rather hold Torain out of the gaem to 'give him more time' rehabbing his injured elbow.

The offense needs to give the defense as much help as possible, and alot of that has to come from the running game.  Without Young or Hall, and with Torain and Pittman at less than 100%, where is the production going to come from?

Some of that could be assited with a healthy Brandon Stokley and Tony Scheffler to take the pressure off of Brandon Marshall, but that looks less and less likely.  One thing is for sure, a few of those listed above will be wearing street clothes.  Who, and how many, will likely determine if the Broncos take control of the AFC West, or continue their mid-season free-fall.  I sure hope GIRR is off the mark!

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Well, that's not the headline I want to see when opening this site.

I sooo hope you are wrong. Regardless of who is one the field we still need to step up and play. We really need a win Sunday.

Hall: with the two fumbles vs. the Pats, unless he does something sick, I wouldn’t be surprised if he is limited, that’s if he plays

Stokley: He had a concussion several weeks ago so as much as I want him to play, I don’t want him to risk his health.

Scheffler: This is the only one I want Guru to be wrong on. He is a vital key to our offense and creates a lot of mismatches.

Young: I really would like him to play because we really don’t know how Torain will do in his first game in over a year. Young would take some pressure off of him.

"It doesn't dissipate" ~ Mike Shanahan

Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 4

by weazel on Nov 1, 2008 10:23 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I really wish Anthony Aldridge hadn't gotten "injured."

We could really use him at this point, not to be a workhorse back, but to give us a body. Pittman and Torain are both banged up, and they’re all that we’re carrying into next week’s game. We might have to resort to giving Hillis or Larsen some time at RB.

A question about Aldridge: does anyone else think he could replace Selvin Young next year? He has the same type of home run ability, and hopefully is less injury-prone.

*Breathes into bag. At least I'm not a Chiefs fan. At least I'm not a Chiefs fan. At least I'm not a Chiefs fan. At least I'm not a Chiefs fan.

by papigrande on Nov 1, 2008 10:43 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I was fond of him in preseason

I really like the what I breifly saw in him. I mean there were several plays where he showed he has the speed to turn the corner when running outside.

"It doesn't dissipate" ~ Mike Shanahan

Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 4

by weazel on Nov 1, 2008 11:13 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

He does what selvin does

except he is a much purer pedigree: which is to say that he is faster.

But replacing Young, replacing any Broncos back, is a mixed proposition. I think he can phase Young out, but next year may be too soon for that to happen.

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 1, 2008 11:54 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

IT IS NOT ABOUT ALL THAT!

It is more about who is going to pick up the pieces.

Whoever shows up, for the game, will need to “be the man”. I don’t care who is out, or who is in, what I care about is what the players do as a team.

When we, as a team, fall down on our collective faces, then there is definately a need for some one, no, everyone, to step up! All that we really need, is for this team, to come together on all fronts.

Stop thinking that everyting will work itself out!

It is the “Big Boy” network, and until those big boys produce, we r in trouble!

by metalman5050 on Nov 1, 2008 10:46 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Crap....I have a feeling Hall is out with fumblitis, but hopefully it's just for one game.

We could even do without Scheffler, but Stokely is who is really gonna hurt us.

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

by Tim Lynch on Nov 1, 2008 10:50 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Why would Hall being hurt be bad?

He’s a 4th string quality RB and terrible kick returner.

by SethGrandpa on Nov 1, 2008 11:49 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Either Stokley or Sheffler will play...

…for sure. I think we need either one or the other to win this game and I think Shanahan knows that too.

One will be in and one will be out.

There is only One Moment—this moment—the Eternal Moment of Now

by sirsam on Nov 2, 2008 12:23 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

In that case

Stokely over Tony, though I think Tony is the more valuable of the two…

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 2, 2008 1:10 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 2, 2008 3:41 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm hoping for Scheff

He’s on my FF team ;)

I think they are both very important though.

Playoff bound!

by 53guys on Nov 2, 2008 8:01 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

My thoughts

The GIRR theory is one of the more valuable things I have learned from MHR. Guru’s point about determining who is going to play (or not) is an excellent guide.

If Torain can come out and play well in his first game, I think the Torain/Pittman duo would be fine. A speedy RB is a fan favorite concept, but if a team can just grind the defense all day with two power runners, the game is all but won. The catch is for Denver to run the ball more. If Stokely and Scheff are out, two power runners could win the game by limiting Cutler’s passes, which would make each pass more unexpected and effective.

If Torain doesn’t play (and Shanahan’s comments do sound ominous to me) then we really need either Stokley or Scheff. I agree with Styg on this point, and also agree that Scheff is the important of the two to have back.

Hall had a terrible game with fumbles, but unless he screws up again he really needs to be out there. As Guru says, we need him for returns. Either he or Young would be great for rotation with Pittman.

These guys took a week off and spent one week in practice. I wonder if it would have been better for some of the injured guys to show up at the facility for both weeks to get rehab from the trainers for their injuries?

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 2, 2008 3:54 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Hillis

If Hall and Young are out, and Pittman has sore ribs and Torain isn’t ready for a full load, i sure hope they have Peyton Hillis in uniform.

If there's gonna be a collison, you better start it. Larry Csonka.

by bradley on Nov 2, 2008 7:24 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

When I predicted a Denver blowout

I wasn’t counting on the possibility of both Scheffler and Stokley both being out and Pittman playing less than 100%.

You know, the excessive optimism on injuries is beginning to piss me off. I wasn’t aware even of the nature of Marshall’s injury until the last couple days. If injuries are bringing the Broncos back to an “average” offensive team, then they will be lucky to win this game . . . a game they should otherwise win by a blowout.

Never argue with a fool, lest you take on his appearance. - my daddy

by AZDynamics on Nov 2, 2008 9:02 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

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