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For me it is never to early to start thinking ahead. I enjoy speculating and portraying the role of GM, even though I am totally out of my league and often change my mind.  Without further ado here is what I hope Denver does this offseason. The estimated salary cap should increase about $7 million to approx. $123 million giving Denver roughly 30 million to play with. I found this on the Broncos web site. The sources are mentioned below. I only copied and pasted this information. Then the wishlist below

2008 Approx Cap Info

Champ Bailey $12.687m
Dre Bly $4.55m
Dan Graham $4.1m
Dwayne Robertson $4m
Ben Hamilton $3.81m
Ryan Clady $3.8m (Estimate based on PFW's new cap numbers as at 26/08/08)
Patrick Ramsey $3.178m
Brandon Stokley $2.597m
Jay Cutler $2.325m
Marlon McCree $2m
Jarvis Moss $1.97m
John Engelberger $1.785m
Jamie Winborn $1.75m
DJ Williams $1.626m
Boss Bailey $1.56m
Darrell Jackson $1.5m
Niko Koutouvides $1.27m
Ebeneezer Ekuban $1.23m
Marquand Manuel $1.08m
Casey Wiegmann $980k
Louis Green $950k
Karl Paymah $927k
Nate Webster $830k
Nate Jackson $818k
Mike Leach $805k
Eddie Royal $758k
Tony Scheffler $693k
Tim Crowder $629k
Kenny Peterson $615k
Josh Shaw $615k
Vernon Fox $615k
Chad Mustard $615k
Ryan Harris $571k
Brandon Marshall $560k
Elvis Dumervil $545k
Marcus Thomas $487k
Chris Kuper $484k
Michael Pittman $455k
Erik Pears $455k
Calvin Lowry $455k
Glenn Martinez $455k
Kory Lichtensteiger $426k
Jack Williams $418k
Selvin Young $380k
Andre Hall $380k
Nic Clemons $380k
Matt Prater $380k
Ryan Torain $355k
Spencer Larsen $330k
Peyton Hillis $317k
Tyler Polumbus $310k
Brett Kern $310k
Wesley Woodyard $310k
__________________________________________________ _____________________
Top 53 on roster = $75.261m

Injured Reserve/PUP
Edell Shepherd $455k-subject to an injury settlement
Carlton Powell $350k
Anthony Alridge $310k
Tom Nalen $4.1m
Clifford Russell $615k

Total=$5.830m

Practice Squad

Josh Barrett S $88k
Mitch Erickson OT $88k
Darrell Hackney QB $88k
Steven Harris DT $88k
Ryan McBean DE $88k
PJ Pope RB $88k
Roderick Rogers S $88k
Josh Bell CB $88k

Total=$704k



Dead Cap Room: This is based on 2008 releases/retirements all hitting on 2008 cap bar Travis Henry as he was a post June release, which they are to date according to RMN 09/03/08.

Javon Walker $6.8m
Ian Gold $3.5m
Al Wilson $4.2m
Gerard Warren $2.26m
Rod Smith $2.046m
Matt Lepsis $5m
Travis Henry $1.2m
Montrae Holland $1m
John Lynch $900k
Greg Eslinger $42k
Brian Clark $4k
Domerink Hixon $192k
Warrick Holdman $25k
Paul Smith $200k
Mike Bell $7k
Samie Parker $40k
Lorne Sam $7k
Garrett Hackney $7k
Josh Barrett $14k
Mitch Eriksson $15k
Alvin McKinley $725k
Cecil Sapp $140k
Keary Colbert $833k


Total dead cap room=$29.157m

Total cap =$111.122m

Broncos total cap room = $117.252m

Cap room available estimate = $6.13m



Dead Money for 2009

Travis Henry $3.6m
Lorne Sam $13k
Garrett Hackney $13k
Josh Barrett $42k
Mitch Eriksson $15k
Alvin McKinley $625k
Keary Colbert $1.66m

Total $5.97m


The Broncos currently have 58 players on the payroll for 2008 with a total cap charge of approx $111m. Approx $29m is tied up in dead cap space.
So somewhere around $6.2m under the estimated 2008 cap.

The estimated salary cap for 2009 should jump by another $7m or thereabouts to $123m. An approximate estimate currently has the Broncos at $90.8m with 45 players under contract. So approx $32.2m under the cap for 2009 at present.

The more startling issue in terms of the Broncos finances this season are the differences in bonus payouts.

2006 $44m
2007 $73m-including: Bailey $5.5m, Bly $7.4m, Cutler $12.3m, Graham $10.2m Henry $6.1m, Walker $10m, Lepsis $3.2m, Moss $3.2m
2008 $53.6m to date based on most SB's hitting this season. These figures include Bly $9m, Graham $5m, Moss $4.5m, Stokley $5m, B Bailey $4.3m, Robertson $3.1m, Royal $1.85m, Colbert $2.5, Koutouvides $2m.
2009 $24m allocated thus far the majority belongs to DJ Williams $10m (estimate), Robertson $3m and Bailey $3m roster bonus.

More updates will follow shortly including cap room for 2009 and cash spent comparisons with other franchises for 2008 and comparing previous years


The above information is as accurate as possible utilising resources such as USA Today salary database, NFLPA, Rotoworld, Mile Hile Report, Denver Post, RMN, CBS, PFW etc.

Cap room is approximately up to date as the RMN confirmed that the Broncos were just over $15m under the cap prior to the Boss Bailey/Marlon McCree/Marquand Manuel signings

Cap Room = $5.2m as per PFW figures on 26/08/08 prior to the roster cutdown from 80 and Holland's trade.




BRONCOS FREE AGENT LIST FOR 2009

Patrick Ramsey QB No2

Michael Pittman RB No3 FB

Darrell Jackson WR No3
Edell Shepherd WR IR

Erik Pears OT No2 LT
Tom Nalen OC Starter

Ebeneezer Ekuban DE Back-Up
Kenny Peterson DT Back-Up

Nate Webster LB Starter

Karl Paymah CB Dime

Marlon McCree S Starter

Here is what think -

Champ hopefully restructures his deal and Boss is gone. Woodyard is the healthier cheaper version with Winborn the veteran backup.  Patrick Ramsey, D. Robertson and Dre Bly see ya. They are all too pricey.  Paymah, Peterson and Ekuban I will resign on the cheap, I don't think they have a ton of market value and probably don't want to sell their house in this market.  Everyone else is gone, with an open invitation to Nalen, he plays as long as he wants.

Now, I resign Jay and Beast Marsh to really long term deals, like until when their kids are out of college. Along with them I resign Kuper and Scheffler.

 

In free agency I only want one player, a difference maker on the D-Line. I would go get Julius Peppers, hopefully to a long term cap friendly deal, I will say a 4-5 year deal. That is all I want out of free agency just him.  I think Jarvis Moss has the desire and he definitely has the tools. My only wish for him is that he just get stronger. Bench press young man and you are going to pro bowls.

Now for the draft, I would like to make a big splash in 2009, because the team is young and can sustain the few extra picks traded to move up and nab talent but the money may not be there. First off I figure out when Rey Maualuga is going to get drafted and start working the phones. I love his size. At 260 pounds we could have DJ catch em and Maualuga thump em!  Then I target Foster the RB from Tennessee. I think he will be there in round two and he's a bruiser. *Shanny just may take two backs next year due to all the injuries this season. It may reinforce the depth issue.*  Next I trade back into the second round and nab a talented DT and am finished on day one.  On day two I hope to find a Corner, DT, O-lineman. The secondary is young and talented they just need to learn the basics, I think Barrett and Lowry will make a nice tandem once they mature. They have speed and seem to play hungry.

So I wish for some restructuring, a hand picked FA and some trading up in the draft; is that so much ask?

This is a Fan-Created Comment on MileHighReport.com. The opinion here is not necessarily shared by the editorial staff of MHR

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DJ’s little bro Worrell Williams plays MLB for Cal Bears and is a senior… Just a thought. I love BJ Raji at DT for Boston College he’s 6-1 335lbs and rushes the passer and run stuffs. He is a difference maker and a lot of fun to watch. Go Broncos!!!

by Markus2112 on Nov 10, 2008 9:21 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Need an elite safety

I sure hope Barrett and Lowry are that guy but so far it doesnt look like its Lowry and I have not seen anything about Barrett but I hear good things. That safety position is so weak on the Broncos right now. I feel if that position gets better our CBs get better as well.

by AZBroncosFan on Nov 10, 2008 10:55 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Maualuga in the first...

would be an incredible pickup in round one, put i pray that we go saftey in round two. Taylor Mays is going to generate alot of buzz come draft time with his combine numbers, but I think the steal of the day may come in round two with Patrick Chung from Oregon. Mays has the size and speed that will have everyone drooling(6’3" 230lbs. and 4.25 40yd.) but Chung should be available in the second with respectable numbers as well: 5’11" 210lbs. and 4.5 40yd. He is a huge hitter that has a real mean streak, and is as durable as a tank. Four year starter that never missed a game due to injury. Loves to play special teams and is a threat at punt/kick off returner as well. Check out his youtube highlight where he blowsup two Mich. OL, when blocking on an int. return.

I know Shanahan will go offense somewhere in the draft, I just hope we spend at least the first three rounds on the D. Lets also not forget about Carlton Powell, and hope he can come back healthy next year. He was hyped as one of the best DT’s vs. the run last year, and posted a career 106 run plays toward him for -13yds. net. Pretty incredible stat.

by donbok1 on Nov 11, 2008 12:17 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

I agree with everything you said except

Mays running a 4.25. I guess it is possible, but you realize that would make him faster than Deion right?

Touchdowns win championships?

by 53guys on Nov 11, 2008 7:25 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

He is the fastest guy on the USC squad....

I have heard he rund mid to high 4.2’s as well.
He is a SPECIMEN!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.

by boydy2669 on Nov 11, 2008 7:50 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

I’ll take your word for it, but it seems every year a guy comes out with unbelievable hype about how fast he runs and each one of them never lives up to it.

With that being said, even if he runs a 4.35, that is light speed for a safety.

Touchdowns win championships?

by 53guys on Nov 11, 2008 2:47 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Deion actually...

ran a 4.17 or 4.18 at his combine in ‘89. That was however a year before the timing went fully electronic in ’90. There are however stories of him running four flats in college, timed by his own coaches, which is what I think the case is with the T. Mays times. They may have been a little slow to start, and quick at the finish when pushing the button on the stop watch. I wasn’t at either timed event, so I can’t guarantee anything when it comes to fourty times. But I would feel pretty secure in saying that Taylor Mays can pick ’em up, and put ’em down with the best of them. Physically, he is a freak. The best saftey in college? Not too sure about that. He is very young, and may need some more time to get his head around the game. Patrick Chung however, I feel will be a great saftey for some NFL team, and my hopes and dreams are that team being the Broncos.

by donbok1 on Nov 11, 2008 7:56 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

My bad

You are right. Deion ran a 4.19 not a 4.29. Duh.

Touchdowns win championships?

by 53guys on Nov 12, 2008 7:44 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

One thing that I wonder is 2010 there may be no cap

I thought since the owners decided to opt out of their contract with the NFLPA, will this affect signings next year. I could see guys getting crazy contracts with the thought being in 2010 there will be no cap so why worry, this may price us out against the bigger market teams.

As far as draft pick, I would say stud MLB, 2nd round DT, 3rd round S, 4th rond RB, 5th round S or DT, 6th round, S or DT. Basically, strength up the middle of the defense.

"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum

by Broncoman on Nov 11, 2008 12:49 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

With Pat Bowlen chairing the labor committee for the owners...

…I think that the Broncos interests (as well as the entire League’s for that matter) will be well protected. I think there will be some hard bargaining, but I also think there are cooler heads in football than in baseball (strike heaven), hockey (driven into near bankruptcy by their union), and basketball (don’t even get me started).

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 11, 2008 6:47 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

IMO

this is where the 18 game regular season is gonna come in. The players will not want to give up their 59% and the owners want more on that, but if they get an additional regular season home game, that gives them more revenue with that extra home game. This way they only have 1 pre-season home game. Plus i dont think the NFL wants to lose the cap, it keeps the competitive balance (better known as parity). If not teams like Jville, Buff, NO, ect. will be but at a huge disagvantage.

somethings wrong, Trying to conquer these fears i thought were gone. And it's been so long, I'm dying to live in a world i don't belong

by broncfanstuckinsd on Nov 11, 2008 10:24 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

To me an 18 game season comes down to money

If the owners’ financial teams figure out that they can make more money going longer, they do. If they don’t, they don’t. They will always find kids to play.

by Steve O' on Nov 11, 2008 10:54 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

this is a way

for the players to retain their 59% of the revenues and the owners to get more money from other sources, like game day revenues

somethings wrong, Trying to conquer these fears i thought were gone. And it's been so long, I'm dying to live in a world i don't belong

by broncfanstuckinsd on Nov 11, 2008 11:43 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

The draft

It’s still a little early, but I’m hoping for major help at DT, LB, and SAF. I expect Denver to keep under-appreciating the safety position, and perhaps to keep missusing it (until the DL gets fixed). Next, I think that DE and CB will need some depth.

I still think we can have an excellent running game without a high draft pick. Our problems with running are that:

1. We don’t run enough (I think this is part of the injury issue),
2. We aren’t running the middle,
3. We are investing in RBs with injury histories,
4. We are investing in fast RBs instead of powerful guys that can take a lickin’.

A big hats off to Steve O’ for figuring out what a good place we are in against the cap for ‘09. Compare our wisdom with some other teams (I won’t mention the raiders by name).

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 11, 2008 6:54 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Here is my 2 cents on this

1. Our running has to do with blocking. You don’t plug in any rb for several years and they go for a 1,000 to what we have now unless something changes.
2. What changed? Interior lineman. We need a stud guard to help with the run game. ( I feel the answer to 1&2 is the same solution)
3. Couldn’t agree more…I hate throwing money at anyone who has been hurt most of their college career (Selvin Young). Selvin had flashes of greatness between injuries
4. If you want that then we need to get Javorski Lane (Homer selection)

think “second coming of Jerome Bettis”

by Sneaky Sean on Nov 11, 2008 9:18 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Sean

I don’t think it is all run blocking. When you hardly run the ball during a game, nobody is going to get running yards. Not only that, but big yards often come in the second half of a game as the defense wears down (what many fans call “the RB getting better as the game goes on” is actually the DL wearing down).

Note that when we let Pittman run the ball a few times, he got over 100 yards. Other than that, we are throwing the ball early, often, and late.

Zone blocking is a great scheme, but it doesn’t work for the running game if the team is just throwing the ball constantly.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 11, 2008 12:57 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

a late comment re: blockers

Just thought I’d jump on this; during the course of my analysis of the draft I’ve come to the conclusion that there are just too many good OLs for the the Broncos to ignore them all — and I doubt that anyone here actually thought we would.

It’s not about whether we’re doing an adequate job at run blocking, and recent results have been much better on that front, but whether there will be a ‘too good to pass up’ OL on the top of our big board.

In a way, it’s almost annoying, since a team looking for an OT would be well served by the upcoming draft. I don’t know what we’d do with another star OT though, and there’s lots of those. There’s lots of interior OLs, too, and I believe the Broncos may be much more inclined to drafting one than most of us here believe. We’re not in bad shape for the moment at G/C but there are a number of good reasons to add to that area. Nalen’s impending retirement and Hamilton’s questionable long-term availability make it wise to address the area. And, of course, Wiegmann is in the category, too. We hope for development from Kuper and Lichtensteiger but there’s a need for depth, and we’ve been fortunate regarding injuries on the OL this year so the shortage of depth hasn’t created problems — but we can’t be assured of that in the future.

by Colinski on Nov 17, 2008 10:54 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Good point.

No disrespect to Nalen, but I felt he should have retired a couple of years ago (he’s ended up taking a roster space on injured reserve the last two years, so I think I got it right). Wiegmann has done an outstanding job in Nalen’s place, but he is an older guy.

Your point is also well taken on the OG positions. Hamilton is an ijury away from retirement, and while we have star talent across the front five, depth may be an issue.

Still, it would be nice to stagger the ages out a bit. I hate the thought of having back-ups that are about the same age as the starters. It would be nice to wait 3 or 4 years so that we could start developing future talent behind solid starters. As you point out though, depth may trump that idea.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 17, 2008 3:18 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Just doing my housecleaning

The topic will come up again but I’ll still comment on it now.

I expect that the Broncos are looking at the possibility of adding on the OL because there’s only one backup — Lichtensteiger — presently. Moreover, considering the age of Hamilton (and previous injuries) and Wiegmann, it would be an area deserving attention. I don’t know if they’ll specifically target the position, i.e., treat it as a ‘need’ area, but rather, they’ll probably wait and see if an OL lands at the BPA position on their board. An early pick might be in order if a player like Unger or Meredith is available, because they’re such good fits for a zone blocking scheme. Otherwise, I think they’ll let the draft come to them and only pick an OL if the situation warrants it, which might be late in the draft.

OL is a concern, especially if they’re being proactive, but the high incidence of OLs make it likely that the Broncos won’t have to actively seek one. They can simply wait and see what falls in their lap.

One more point — staggering is an idea that pops up in draft strategies. You want to attend to areas on a regular basis and proactively add before you suddenly find yourself too old or hit by an injury that leaves you vulnerable. You also want to stagger the salaries of the players to avoid salary ‘crunches’ and distribute the financial burden. Of course, if you don’t do this or fail to find help as desired then you may have to bunch players together. We need to add at the interior OL positions soon because we’ve failed to get the desired OL help, but it wasn’t for lack of trying.

by Colinski on Nov 20, 2008 11:28 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks HT

So you like the edges of our defense but want to solidify the middle on all three levels? That doesn’t sound bad.

by Steve O' on Nov 11, 2008 10:22 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

The middle is killing our defense.

Our DTs don’t demand double coverages. Because of that, our DEs don’t get as many shots at pass rushes. Because of that, our CBs have a much harder time trying to cover WRs.

Because our DTs don’t plug up the middle, they don’t protect our LBs. This causes our LBs to be out of place (they have to react faster) and to miss tackles (they are always a split second behind the play trying to make tackles because they are also trying to get around the run blockers).

Also, because of the myriad of problems caused by the DTs, we have to drop a safety in the box. Now our CBs can’t go all out for INTs, and each opposing reception seems to go for a mile.

It all starts in the trenches.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 11, 2008 12:53 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I would love to have Terrance Cody from Arkansas in the draft

Sign Peppers in FA and take the best available MLB or safety in round 1 or 2, depending on when Cody is projected to be picked.

Touchdowns win championships?

by 53guys on Nov 11, 2008 7:33 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

An interesting prospect (from U. of Alabama)

I’ve seen a mock with him coming here which is why I looked him up, and I had to lo because I hadn’t heard of him. He’s certainly got size, but he’s a pretty good athlete, too, although his 5.8 – 40yd. isn’t going to impress anyone. Still, if he can develop a mature physique and convince GMs that he’s not a potential heart attack wating to happen then he’s going to go early. I’m not sure I like the risk, but he’s intriguing.

by Colinski on Nov 15, 2008 2:43 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

HT...

I am taking a WOLD stab in the dark, but were you thinking of the RAIDERS!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.

by boydy2669 on Nov 11, 2008 7:51 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

I have no comment on that.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 11, 2008 12:58 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

The correct spelling is rAIDERS

Victor Frankl:

What man actually needs is not a tensionless state but rather the striving and struggling for some goal worthy of him. What he needs is not the discharge of tension at any cost, but the call of a potential meaning waiting to be fulfilled by him.

Everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms – to choose one’s attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one’s own way.

by wyoeng on Nov 12, 2008 11:46 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Steve--this is an amazing breakdown of our team

You should take this post to Shanny and ask for a job.

The best defense is a good defense!
And last week's young players. Yes!

by Mike Clark on Nov 11, 2008 8:15 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Brandon Marshall "only" makes $540K

I think he should be MVP for his cost to production ratio is better than anyone in the league. Now that is value!

Mike, I would move to Colorado to in a minute to work for the boys in blue! Dream Job!

by Steve O' on Nov 11, 2008 10:18 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

lol

still a great breakdown !!!

The best defense is a good defense!
And last week's young players. Yes!

by Mike Clark on Nov 11, 2008 8:39 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Very nice post

Informative – a great resource. I linked to it from BroncoTalk. Keep up the good work Steve, MHR.

Go Broncos!

-kmonty
-BroncoTalk.net

by kmonty on Nov 11, 2008 10:57 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Dead cap room

Hiya, Any chance someone could clear something up for me. The dead cap room is just numbers on a piece of paper right? They don’t actually pay anyone that money do they? Is it just there to discourage teams from cutting high earning players?

by mikebirty on Nov 11, 2008 1:43 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

There will be payment...

I’m pretty sure the players get that money. It’s the remainder of their signing bonus that the team owes them.

-kmonty
-BroncoTalk.net

by kmonty on Nov 11, 2008 4:09 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure if this is 100% accurate but I found this on the web.

Q: What is dead money?
A: Dead money is the name given to salary cap space that is being used up by players no longer on a team’s roster. When a player is released or traded before every year of his proration has been used up, the remaining prorations accelerated into the year in which he was released/traded. So if a player received a 5 million dollar signing bonus that was prorated over 5 years (1 mil per year), and he was cut after 2 years, the remaining 3 million would count against the team’s cap in year 3.

by Steve O' on Nov 11, 2008 4:54 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

That is exactly it

Dead money is money that has already been paid in bonuses (usually signing bonuses) but had not yet been counted against the salary cap when the player was cut or traded.

by MattR on Nov 11, 2008 10:38 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

thanks

Yep that makes sense now – I just had this horrible feeling that the Broncos were still paying Walker $7m a year. As long as we’ve already paid him that I suppose its ok……

by mikebirty on Nov 12, 2008 12:06 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Steve O, I love this post! Thanks for putting it together for us.

As far as the draft goes. I’m hoping to get a besat at MLB. I would like to pick up a Safety. I think we can pick up a healthy RB in the third. I think I like the idea of Julius Peppers in FA but I’m not sure yet.

by ThorpeBroncosfan on Nov 11, 2008 8:02 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Steve O'...

great job shedding some light on the cap status!!
Recommended!

by donbok1 on Nov 11, 2008 8:14 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Gret Post Steve.

Very Interesting. Thanks

That’s ok with me. We’re playing for wins, not media publicity....HT 9/11/08

by firstfan on Nov 11, 2008 10:29 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

DT

DT DT DT DT DT DT DT DT DT DT DT DT DT DT DT DT DT DT DT DT DT DT DT DT DT

Did I mention I think we should get a DT with our #1?

Check out the website listed below...

Rivers light in the loafers?

by EastCoastBronco on Nov 12, 2008 1:41 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Steve O...

Sorry man, forgot to recommend and say great post….got too busy reading!!!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.

by boydy2669 on Nov 13, 2008 7:45 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Excellent post!

My thoughts are that Cutler, “Breast Marsh” (snicker snicker) and maybe even Royal may ask for more jack come the offseason to which the Broncos should quickly agree, provided thier demands fall within reason.

I think Ben Hamilton is going to be unloaded.

I think Lepsis will finally be put down.

I think this coming draft could be really boring with a litany of linemen going to the Broncos on both sides of the ball. Of course some stud Safties and linebackers are certain to be drafter as well and will provide the reason to watch day 2. Perhaps a RB as well… Nah, we got Tatum back (KIDDING!). Of course, projecting who these folks will be at this point isn’t really worth anything… I mean look at Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal… Nobody was talking about them before or after the draft… The Broncos have gotten way better on talent evaluation and to try to guess is impossible.

Great post! Love to start thinking about this stuff.

J

by Jezru on Nov 13, 2008 1:11 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Lepsis retired at the end of last year.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 13, 2008 2:08 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Did you mean Nalen

not Lepsis?

"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game

"I love your analysis of our team. Its kinda like watching a spider monkey trying to figure out a jar of peanuts.. you know whats going on.. you know whats in there, but to actually figure it out, is just a bit beyond your mental skills..."
- Bronco Dano

by DesertBroncoFan on Nov 13, 2008 3:08 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I mean Nalen...

Boy is my face red.

Heck I’ll extend it to all our injured/older linemen.

J

by Jezru on Nov 13, 2008 3:13 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Jezru

I don’t think Royal’s contract will ever even come up. He may want more but Denver won’t entertain it. The team needs to set precedent and guidlines. If you start restructing contracts that early in the deal everyone will always be trying to restructure. Usually with Denver the time for that is the end of the 2nd to last year. Heading into the contract year, if Denver really wants to keep a player they will get him resigned, ala DJ Williams. Shanny doesn’t want a one year open audition for DJ to play great then another team outbid him. So what he’ll do is negotiate before other teams are allowed to. That is one reason I am pessimistic about getting Peppers. I don’t think Carolina lets him walk. That has a caviat as well though, if you low ball him he may say no, get angry with the team and then test the market for sure. Denver seems to handle these things very professionally so that shouldn’t be an issue.

Certainly Cutler and Marshall’s agent will want to talk and it wouldn’t suprise me to see both of them resigned to long term deals. Keep in mind though that long term deals are cap friendly (at first) and we should still have enough money to make moves.

by Steve O' on Nov 13, 2008 4:54 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Good points!

I agree, Royal is going to have to wait. Just think if we’d extended Lelie’s contract after that first year… Yikes. Peppers isn’t going anywhere. Cutler and Marshall’s agents will be knocking and I’d be surprise if they aren’t satiated.

J

by Jezru on Nov 14, 2008 12:54 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Bobby Humphrey and Clinton Portis

are perfect examples of what Shanahan does to people that want to re-negotiate in the middle of their contract. They get cut or traded.

Although I didn’t like the Humphrey deal I have to applaud the move. You sign a contract for a specific period of time and play to that. If you are that much better at the end of the contract, you’ll get your money (either with this team or some other team).

I’ve never understood how a player can hold-out in the middle of their contract. It seems that the teams should be able to fine a hold-out for the time that they are missing because of their greediness.

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by DesertBroncoFan on Nov 17, 2008 12:54 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Steve O'

You and Matt R should get together at the Rendezvous ’09 next summer and capologist until you can explain all this mumbo-jumbo to an old toothless couger like me.

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by firstfan on Nov 13, 2008 6:46 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Mike Peterson

Mike will be available next year – his contract expires at the end of the season. He’d be a heck of a MLB.

Looking at this, it’s going to take two drafts to raise us from the morass. We just let the defense go utterly to hell, especially with the bizarre trades, waivers and outright releases of the short Bates Experiment (see Warren, G). We desperately need both a FS and a SS, Mike and SAM, DT, a corner (what the heck were they thinking) and if we are going to use the 3-4, a NT. Other than that, we’re pretty well set. We’ll need a couple RBs for the Legion, too. Two drafts and some good horsetrading to fill holes.

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by Emmett Smith on Nov 13, 2008 10:39 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I see the Legion of the Damned has stuck.

With one foot dangerously close to la la land I think it can be done in one year. My reasoning is based on the premise that one dominant DT can make the other, average DT dominant also. If we plug up the middle so that no team can consistently run on us while only committing 7 to the box then our LB are freed up to do all sorts of good things and likewise our safetys can play safety which allows Bly and Bailey to take more chances and become the centerpiece of the strongest secondary in the AFC.

It all starts in the trenches HT 11/11/08

by firstfan on Nov 14, 2008 12:01 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Agree that the DT is the key for this team.

I think we win 2 more games in a season just by adding one, solid DT this offseason alone. Add in a top notch LB to go with him, and we have a very good defense. Shoot the moon, and get a SAF or another LB on top of that, and we are SB bound. (I think we need a CB for the future though, perhaps two to three years down the road).

I think we can build the defense in one year, but it will require a dedicated draft.

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by Steve Nichols on Nov 14, 2008 5:55 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

So do you,

have a dream draft in mind HT, or just positions wished to be filled?

by donbok1 on Nov 15, 2008 4:14 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

There are a lot of folks...

…at MHR that know a lot more about who is in the draft and what they bring. I defer to their wisdom on those matters.

But I think DT is our most pressing need, followed closely by SAF and LB. Again, based on our position in the draft and who’s available, I would leave the picks on the priority of positions to those who staudy the draft.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 16, 2008 9:52 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

This shouldn't be a post...

It should be a maintained sections of the website. Like the roster. Excellent work. I am sure this makes Matt R grin with delight. – And for those who could careless about salary cap… There thoughts are: Oh crap! Now we have another one of those smart guys!

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by YellowStoneBronco on Nov 14, 2008 3:29 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

In terms of drafting OL – I think we should use a pick here. We have so much young talent that if we fill it up, it won’t hurt us if Nails, Hamilton and Weigmann all depart – could happen, I suppose. Eventually, it will.

Did anyone notice that Polumbus and Steiger both got out there for plays this week? Shanny is looking to the future. Both have taken snaps at center. Steiger is a wicked guard and there are a few good centers in this draft as well. Don’t hear anything about Pears – anyone know how he’s progressing?

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- Shanahan on Larsen

by Emmett Smith on Nov 17, 2008 9:11 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

BTW

I’ve set up a Favorites section just with 2009 Draft comments and posts. Can’t start too soon, but I’m glad we’ve a lot of football still to play this year.

He doesn’t know anything but 100 percent
- Shanahan on Larsen

by Emmett Smith on Nov 17, 2008 9:12 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

What's this...

where is the favorites section? I don’t do much exploring on the site. Where is this section on the draft?

by donbok1 on Nov 17, 2008 11:16 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

donbok

Actually, it’s a feature on my internet explorer. It lets me set up folders with pages I want to return to. The MHR folks have so many great threads about next yeer’s draft that I had to set up a section within that feature just to have them at hand.

He doesn’t know anything but 100 percent
- Shanahan on Larsen

by Emmett Smith on Nov 21, 2008 3:12 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

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