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Looking forward to the draft

At this point in the season we're able to get some sense of how well our off-season FA acquisitions & draftees have panned out. I don't want to detract from the remaining games but I'd like to look forward and examine how the Broncos can improve.

Again, I'm not trying to sell the Broncos short, especially since they lead their division, but I like to analyze team needs and see if I can can figure out a way that the Broncos can best help themselves.

There are many ways of improving a team, such as trades, FA acquisitions, etc., but on  this topic I'd like to restrict my comments somewhat and focus in on the draft. I'd also like to address team strengths and weaknesses, since this is integral to 'which' position we need to address in next year's draft, as well as 'who' at that position we think would best fill our needs.


 

 

 

 

 

 

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WHAT OTHERS THINK -- MOCK DRAFTS

 

The first thing one notices when seeing who the draft mavens have picked for us is that much of their thinking parallels our own. What I'd like to do here is provide some examples of mock drafts and evaluate our chances of getting those players is possible or if there are other scenarios that might meet our needs -- such as an alternative player at a position of need.

Scott Wright's MOCK: Wright has us drafting William Moore, S, of Missouri at #15. Like many draftniks, Wright sees us needing a Safety -- no surprise there! Part of the story is positional, as in 'what' we need, and the other part is 'when,' as in where we'll be drafting and who will be available then. I think Wright is correct about where although I know that won't be a popular sentiment. Our current record puts us in the #13 to #20 range, but there's some tough games ahead and we'll probably fall back slightly.

Some of his other draftees are important, too, since they're targets that many of us have identified. Wright has Laurinaitis, ILB, at #10 and Maualuga, ILB, at #11. Immediately proceeding our pick is Aaron Curry, OLB - Wake Forest at #14, and I think we should consider him as another possibility. Just to mention a few more; Sen'Derrick Marks, DT - Auburn at #17, Taylor Mays, S - USC, at #23, and Peria Jerry, DT -- Mississippi, at #26.

Matt McGuire of WalterFootball: McGuire has us drafting Gerald McCoy, DT - Oklahoma, at #11. Some others of interest; Mays at #10, Maualuga at #15, Laurinaitis at #17, P. Jerry at #18, Everette Brown, DE - FSU, at #20, W. Moore at #25 and Max Unger, C -- Oregon, at #28.

McGuire admits that he's alone in having McCoy as a high pick, but there's a number of younger DTs who will project higher than the seniors once they declare and scouts evaluate them. I don't know which ones will leapfrog the seniors but it's certain that some will. This also makes the DT class hard to evaluate since the younger players will project higher based mostly on potential.

Two of the names here are new, and I thought it would be interesting to mention some players -- like Everette, who's a junior -- who may see their stock rise, and also, play a position that we're not specifically targeting. The other name, Max Unger, also plays another un-emphasized position and may be rising, and I've spoken of him previously because he's a natural fit for a zone blocking scheme and this is also a very deep class for OLs. I expect that there will be some offensive 'surprises' during the draft and I'm trying to guess who, or where, they'll be.

2nd ROUND: Dannell Ellerbe, ILB, at #43 - Georgia. Some other names of possible interest: Derek Pegues, FS -- Miss. St., at #37, Myron Rolle, S - FSU, at #39, Terrence Cody, NT - Alabama, at #40.

Greg Haefner of WF: Haefner has us taking Maualuga at #10. His 2nd round has us taking Mark Parson, CB - Ohio, at #42. CB is another position -- although not a primary target -- that's fairly deep and may give us some draft day surprises. Also, Kam Chancellor, SS - VT, at #43. He's another S in the Mays mold that we should be aware of.

Walter's (?) MOCK: 1st - Laurinaitis (ILB) at #15, 2nd - Peria Jerry (DT) at #46, 3rd - Zack Follet, OLB - Cal., at #46 [previously Cody Brown, OLB - Conn.].

Some more MOCKs from FF Toolbox. Joel Welser: #15 - Laurinaitis, #47(15th pick) - C. J. Spiller, RB - Clemson.

Raul Colon: Aaron Curry, OLB at #23.

Ricky Dimon: Brandon Spikes, LB - Florida, at #24.

Dustin Claussen: Terrence Cody, DT, at #19.

Randall Weida: W. Moore, S, at #23.

Despite the fact that different draftniks peg our position at different spots, a number of them still have us drafting the same players (when reasonable). They obviously see our draft the same way we do. LB and Safety come up a lot, but there's sometimes a DT. The reason -- IMO -- that DT doesn't come up more is because it's hard to project these DTs. It's not because there's no talent, although in some cases we're not well positioned to draft them. Still, there are many DTs who will be drafted relatively high, but it's very difficult to gauge exactly when they'll be taken.

Seeing who is taken at the same spot is often interesting, although the exact ordering varies because of team needs. However, the overall ranking of all players is important for how the draft will play out, and a different draft order can scramble the order of player selection because of different team needs. Our expected draft position gives us a good shot at number of defensive players who will be going in the mid to late 1st round. And there are enough players at our targeted positions to allow us a good chance of addressing DT, LB & S in the early part of the draft. But, as it usually plays out, there are players at positions we haven't focused on that we'll draft, simply because there's a lot of quality athletes available at positions we haven't targeted. I like to become more familiar with the the 2nd tier of players at our need positions because we've only got one 1st pick. I've seen a lot of mocks that I'd love to see happen, but it's extremely rare for a draft to follow a single scenario. We know that there are number of players at our positions of need but it's very hard to predict who will be selected. Given the small probability of any one player being selected, it makes sense to become familar with a wider group of possibilities.

 

 

 

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Brandon Spikes is a beast...

and I think he’ll ultimately be the best defensive player to come out of this draft. He’s a very impressive MLB on 1st and 2nd down, and he moves to DE on 3rd down, where he is a great pass rusher. There’s really nobody in the NFL like him.

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Nov 15, 2008 5:40 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

re: Spikes

I should add a section on underclassmen, regarding how they can shape a draft. Not only can a group of underclassmen declaring transform a weak crop at a particular position into a strong one, the scouting reports on them lag behind and aren’t up to date until shortly before the draft. For example, last year’s RBs were weak until the juniors declared and transformed it into a moderately strong group. Rankings at this point are somewhat fluid, partlly because this year’s performance is changing people’s evaluations of players but also because we don’t know which players will be in the crop.

Spikes is viewed as a late 1st rounder in 2010 (according to one source) but he’s probably going to be the 3rd best ILB if he declares this year, and is considered 1st round material. My feeling is that he would be a very good pick for us if we’re drafting at around #20. He’s billed as being as being equally good at run defense and pass defense (which I like), and he’s got great production against great competition and very good physical metrics. What’s not to like?

But if you’re evaluation is correct, TB, he won’t be around till then, which gives us a chance at someone else. I like where we are in this draft. The middle to late 1st round looks better to me than the early round — amazingly. I’d really like to see them pick up a late 1st rounder or 2nd rounder, even if it means trading down from our position in the 1st round. In any case, we won’t have to worry if we miss out of Laurinaitis and Maualuga and land Spikes. In fact, I did my homework on Spikes after seeing a mock with exactly that scenario.

by Colinski on Nov 15, 2008 7:51 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I can't look forward to the draft at this time.

The draft means the season is over and I get thrust into the la-la-land-of pre-season-feel-goods. Doors are closed this late in the season. Us ‘pre-season’ people know this season is where we should be. Must beat Atlanta—therefore we will beat Atlanta.

The best defense is a good defense!
And last week's young players. Yes!

by Mike Clark on Nov 15, 2008 6:33 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

yet i recommend this post

The best defense is a good defense!
And last week's young players. Yes!

by Mike Clark on Nov 15, 2008 6:50 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

you could view it as part of an ongoing evaluation process

There’s a delicate balance between critiquing the current team’s performance and giving up on this season. I’m not giving up on this team, but I also looked at this season as a stepping stone to something much, much better. Dwelling on ways of fixing their problems is my way of coping with a problem I can’t personally fix, but at least I can think of a way of fixing it. I’d rather think of solutions than stew about their performance.

by Colinski on Nov 15, 2008 8:04 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

BJ

BJ Raji is a beast

by Markus2112 on Nov 15, 2008 11:02 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

re: B. J. Raji

His stock has been rising lately, but I admit that I don’t get the chance to look at many players so that’s according to other — reasonably good — sources.

He’s one DT that fits into the NT mold, and I’ve speculated lately on whether the Broncos would want to move in the direction of using a NT, which might involve more 3-4 looks but wouldn’t necessarily involve a whole scale scheme change (we’ll have to ask the ‘X & Os" guys). A player like Terrence Cody, 6’5 – 370lbs., could certainly clog up the middle, even though he’s green at this point.

Cody scouting report

Raji is a more finished product, though. But to put this in perspective, Raji is the top senior DT right now and he’s rated as a high 2nd round choice. In other words, there isn’t a single senior DT prospect who merits going in the 1st round. Declaring underclassmen could change that picture but they would be green. Almost anyone we could draft at DT is going be a developmental project, to some degree. We still need to draft some, despite that.

by Colinski on Nov 16, 2008 8:54 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

NTs and scheme change.

First, a lot of folks will say that a DL player is more suited for 3-4 or 4-3. I don’t agree. What I would say is that a powerful, giant NT is a rare thing, and 3-4 teams will fight harder to get one (even a Phillips System 3-4).

While most schemes do (to some degree) depend on how the DL is used (among other things), very few teams, reagardless of scheme, will pass up on a true, dominant 2 gap NT.

(And Rec’d)

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by Steve Nichols on Nov 16, 2008 9:49 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I should add a section on underclassmen, regarding how they can shape a draft. Not only can a group of underclassmen declaring transform a weak crop at a particular position into a strong one, the scouting reports on them lag behind and aren’t up to date until shortly before the draft.

Good idea, but a full post would be even better. Rec’d!

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by Emmett Smith on Nov 15, 2008 11:10 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Nice post and rec'd....

I was checking a lot of the sites after reading the post.
I still have to go with my first gut instinct:
Going safety or LB in the first and second rounds. There seems to be a little more depth in the safety class, and the premium generally seems higher on LB’s. Considering this, i would like either Maualuga or Laurentiatis…but would prefer Rey. He plays with a chip and reminds me of Troy Polomalu. He would be great for us.
If we could pck up a safety like Patrick Chung in the 2nd would be great. He would be an instant contributor.
Go DT/DE in the 3rd, and also with that being our main focus in FA.
We have a lot of picks so I wold be really surprised if we did not see some dealing by Denver.

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by boydy2669 on Nov 16, 2008 7:24 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

draft 'positioning'

I’ve been contemplating how they could pull off a nice combo coup — a stellar ILB & S tandem in the draft. It would probably involve missing out on Maualuga and Laurinaitis though. A low 1st rounder and high 2nd rounder could yield a Rolle and Spikes combo. Here’s the FFToolbox’s big board

They have Rolle at #22 and Spikes at #39. We could actually trade even up (with some extra ’juice’) with someone to move down in the 1st (swap #1s) and up in the 2nd (swap #2s) and pull it off.

Here’s a resource that everyone should familiarize themselves with, the TRADE VALUE CHART.

by Colinski on Nov 16, 2008 9:10 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I think we could get a Cushing....

and a Chung as well.

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Failing to plan is planning to fail.

by boydy2669 on Nov 16, 2008 9:41 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

re: Cushing

His very good physical metrics and on-the-field performance makes him a ‘higher’ pick. I’ve said good things about him but the one thing that scares me off is his injury history.

Picking him would entail foregoing some of the other prospects available at around #20 (maybe a little higher, there’s some variance with him). The question is: is he a better addition than some of the safeties and other players we’ve mentioned? He’s close, but I wonder about the risk. Are we looking for possible upside or do we want a player who projects well with very little downside risk? There’s always some risk, so the upside/downside stuff is largely illusory, but it’s hard to see how we could go wrong with someone like Rolle. If we take HT’s advice about the need for intelligence at safety then Rolle has very bright future, and he fits well with the Broncos recent emphasis on character, too. I like to see solid picks, but they sometimes lack glamour. Clady was a solid pick, just to illustrate my thinking on this issue.

by Colinski on Nov 16, 2008 10:37 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Cushing...

does have some injury issues, and for that reason I hope we leave him out of our draft plans. I have nothing against Brian Cushing the player. Anyone who has watched a USC game knows the guy can flat out BRING IT. However, after a year like this one, when we’ve lost our entire starting LB corps, and all of our tailbacks, one would have to think that Shanahan & co. will have a new emphasis on durability this year. Just like character was the word of the day for this year’s class, look for next years class to be known for their ability to stay on the field and out of the trainers room. So, unless we could pick him up with a 3rd round pick or later, I would rather not take the risk on his health. If OLB is the pick I’d rather go with an obvious choice like Aaron Curry who never gets injured. But if we want to stay away from the LB pick till the later rounds, what about Worrell Williams, DJ’s little brother who starts at MLB for Cal? Probably not as gifted as DJ, but shows great heart, never gives up on plays, and doesn’t get injured. Should be a second day pick, and will allow us to spend our first day picks on other needs.

by donbok1 on Nov 17, 2008 2:34 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

injuries

Cushing is rated quite high, ~15 to 20, by nearly all sources and there’s little variability in his ranking, which is another way of saying that there’s broad agreement on his abilities. The fact that he falls into the range of Denver’s drafting position and is at a position of relative need (IMO) makes him one of the more likely choices for Denver’s 1st pick. So, I wouldn’t want to dismiss the possibility of his being our choice.

The coaching staff is going to be consulting with the team’s medical authorities on him because of his injury history, and it would be presumptuous to conclude too much at this point.

My personal feeling is that durability concerns should more of a concern since his best position would seem to be at SAM, and we’ve already got a player there who’s injury prone. Being injury prone is probably is big red flag for us at this point given our recent problems with them. However, again, this is a decision for the medical people, we can’t assume that Cushing is injury prone rather than unlucky.

Curry, like Mau and Lau, is rated so high that we may not have a very good chance at him. I’d certainly feel more comfortable with the choice, but those three are probably the top (along with Cushing & the Safeties) players on our wish list.

I’m beginning to think that our best chance of ‘scoring’ in the draft may involve one of the DEs falling — assuming that we stay somewhere close to our current drafting position. We could also drift higher and find the safeties falling into our lap, at around the #20 slot. I’d like to find a 1st rounder who will come in and solidify a position, like Clady did last year, and the best way of ensuring that outcome — oddly — may be to move down. Both the LB and S spots have some talent at a slightly lower range. I’ve advocated Rolle, largely because he looks less risky with an upside potential, and players like Worrell Williams offer some potential (although I’m not sure on him because he’s down the line a ways, but he really looks interesting). I was thinking of Sean Weatherspoon, LB, Missouri. And, of course, with added picks we might be able to add a few more. Chung has be touted and I agree on him, because he looks durable. I’m not locked into any choices, but I strongly agree with you, DB, about emphasizing durability, along with character, too. We still have room for a large contingent of draftees/FAs and there’s some offensive positions where we could add.

by Colinski on Nov 17, 2008 3:52 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I still like Terrence Cody from Arkansas

If he’s available in the 2nd round. I agree with TB and boydy, either Maualuga, Laurentiatis or Spikes would be fine with me in the first.

Touchdowns win championships?

by 53guys on Nov 16, 2008 7:36 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

pretty sure he plays for Alabama

Touchdowns win championships?

by 53guys on Nov 16, 2008 7:37 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Between the ILB's...

Maualuga, Lauranitis, and Spikes; and the safteys Mays, Moore and Chung I hope that we can land any combination of one of each. Right now I’m hoping for Rey and Chung in rounds 1 and 2.

I agree that waiting on DT till rounds 3 and later would be a wise move considering the value at need positions. We also shouldn’t forget about Carlton Powell coming back next year, and although he will still be a rookie, I think he could be the type of runstuffer that we’ve been waiting for. Hopefully he will demand the double teams that will begin to free up the rest of the D. The only other pick I’m dreaming about at this stage is somehow getting back into the early rounds to pick up DT Fili Moala.

by donbok1 on Nov 16, 2008 10:28 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

BOK...

I like Moala as well, and I have seen mocks where he has fallen to the mid to late 2nd round.
I would be good with that pick as well.
I would actually be STOKED on this pick…if we had Rey (USC), Chung (Oregon) and Moala (USC) that would make meas a USC and Pac 10 fan very happy.
These guys are all gamers!

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by boydy2669 on Nov 16, 2008 10:45 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

our chances on Maualuga

I’m not sure he’ll stick around. Most people have him higher than we’ll draft. It’s possible, though. Either Maualuga or Laurinaitis would be a windfall, and we’re actually within striking distance and could still get lucky and find one on the board (I’d give it less than 50% though, but it depends on our draft position). That may make missing out on them even more painful. I’ve been trying to emphasize the fact that it’s not a tragedy if we do. A little horse trading with our current picks could give us both a Rolle and a Spikes (or Mays instead of Rolle). It’s hard to see how anyone could complain about that scenario. A positive scenario like this, which meets our needs ideally, only looks bad because we fixate on individual players and see success in terms of whether we’re able to draft them. I see success in terms of how well we meet our needs overall and whether the players exceeded expectations.

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Here’s a little game for everyone. Use this BIG BOARD and make the first three picks for the Broncos. Use the DRAFT VALUE CHART to calculate how many points you have and then trade as you feel prudent.

Here’s my example: The Broncos trade their #15 pick (1050 points) to move down 7 spots to #22 where they select Myron Rolle for a gain of 270 points (1050 – 780 = 270). They then trade their 2nd pick, #47 (430 points) to move up to #39 (510 points) to select Spikes, which still gives them a total gain of 190 points (270 – 80 = 190). They use those 190 points to select Georgia’s Geno Atkins at #80 (190 points), and then use their own 3rd pick, #79 (195 points), to select Derek Pegues, who’s on the board at #81 (185 points). I sacrifice ten points in value.

1. – Rolle (SS) – #22
2. – Spikes (LB) – #39
3b – Atkins (DT) – #80
3a – Pegues (FS) – #79

I drool at the possibility of the Broncos finding willing trading partners who would allow this all to happen, but it’s not supposed to realistic, necessarily. Rather, it gives you an idea of what the Broncos could get in this draft under ideal conditions.

by Colinski on Nov 16, 2008 12:04 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

After this Sunday's game

I’m starting to hope that Shanny believes that we’ve found our MLB. Larsen played like a vet.

Larsen for QB...

by Emmett Smith on Nov 16, 2008 2:16 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely.

But we still need a safety. Lowry looks like a fish out of water out there, flopping around.

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by papigrande on Nov 16, 2008 2:22 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I totally agree....

Maybe we look at safety from the get go now!!!!
I thought Lowry was OK…Manuel sucked again.
I also think we may have something in Josh Barrett. I have thrown this out before. What about Brian Cushing at LB, and we convert Woodyard to safety???? He has speed, reads the game well and would be pretty big for a safety.
I say, lets go Taylor Mays and then we can go a DE/DT in round 2…..
Larsen is the new Zach Thomas!!!

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by boydy2669 on Nov 16, 2008 2:31 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I think we can still go DT in round 1.

I’d rather havePatrick Chung in round 2 than Mays. Mays just just seems like a workout wizard to me. I don’t think his amazing workouts translate well to on field performance. Plus, I think Chung hasmuch better intangibles and heart. Plus, he has a cooler name. Chung. You just got Chunged!

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by papigrande on Nov 16, 2008 3:21 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

substitute your pick Papi

FFT’s BIG BOARD (which I’m using because it includes the juniors and is up to date and reasonably accurate) has Chung at #94 versus Pegues at #79. That’s 185 points versus 124, so we’d have 61 more points to use somewhere else. Or we could boost the DT pick up to the the 4th pick in the 3rd round. That’s where some of the LBs I mention are pegged, like Brinkley or Freeman, plus players like Murphy, Louis – WR – (Florida) - #68.

I could see them snagging a WR, especially a speedy one. Next year has more BIG WRs.

by Colinski on Nov 16, 2008 4:06 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

re: LB

I don’t think we need to get locked into one path. Mau & Lau are good picks but there are some other players we’d be justified in drafting. The ‘fat’ section of this draft looks like the late 1st through the 2nd – 3rd, i.e., where players at positions of need come at a high frequency. I’d be happy to see us pick any of a great number of players in the fat range.

And, of course, I haven’t even mentioned offense. My philosophy is the “shopping cart,” where you pick up players at a number of positions. You may flood a position but only if you do your homework, and even then it’s a very judicious flooding. I’d be happy with 2 high character DTs. Even with our 2 extra picks we’ll have more positions of need than draft picks.

I worry about what happens AFTER the first two rounds. BTW — here’s some more names to think about from FFT’s BIG BOARD

(in no particular order) -————- ranking – (#)

OLB — Weatherspoon, Sean (Missouri) – #84

             Freeman, Marcus (Ohio State) -—— #70

ILB — Brinkley, Jasper (South Carolina) — #65

            Ellerbe, Dannell (Georgia) -———- #71

S -— Hamlin, Michael (Clemson) -———- #98

RB (one cut) – Jennings, Rashad (Liberty) – #96

There’s some speed WRs I’m thinking of posting but I’ll do it later. My point is simply that there are a lot of good player — some of whom we’ll be drafting — and we need to start looking past the 1st round, to where there’s a lot of rough gems like those we found this year.

by Colinski on Nov 16, 2008 3:48 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Good point, 'Ski
…we need to start looking past the 1st round, to where there’s a lot of rough gems like those we found this year.

The Goodman’s have renewed the draft geeks faith in the Broncos, and showed us the true path of Later Picks. Wonderful, isn’t it? Seriously, your pont is great because that’s where we will really gain, or not. See, Hillis, Peyton, etc.

Larsen for QB...

by Emmett Smith on Nov 16, 2008 6:18 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Hillis, Woodyard, et al

Yes, we spend 90% of the time over-analyzing 10% of the choices. I’m now a convert, too, after seeing the Broncos outdraft every other team on the 2nd day of the last draft. It may be part luck but the successful organizations always do their homework.

CORRECTION: I think I referred to the “shopping cart” drafting strategy, it’s actually called the COMBINATION strategy. There’s more here and in this. It’s definitely worth a read.

by Colinski on Nov 16, 2008 8:16 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I think the next few weeks...

may decide what we do in the first round. If Larsen keeps playing solid in the at MLB, it will afford us alot of different options in the opening rounds. It would also be great to see Barrett show enough improvement to break into the 53 man roster, and take the FS question out of the equation as well. If not could we go after both saftey positions? How about Mays and Barrett at FS, and Chung our SS in training camp, and see who develops? We would also have a pick to get our DT or RB if we don’t have to go MLB in the first 3 rounds. Hard to say at this point, but it’s an exciting senario for our secondary.

by donbok1 on Nov 16, 2008 8:19 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

needy defense

I see a continuing need even if we do like Larsen’s performance. Both Webster (a FA) and Koutouvides (a disappointment) may not be around much longer. Koutouvides has guaranteed money for this year, but I don’t know if they’ll have to pay him if they decide to go another route (it’s a good question, anyone know?). Whatever the case, they’re going to be adding LBs. Faith in Larsen may affect the draft strategy but they won’t pass on Mau or Lau if they’re available, and would you? Fortunately, draft decisions are made through a ‘cold’ cognitive process rather than through the ‘hot’ cognitive process that occurs immediately after a game.

It all seems moot, however, both will probably be gone. To be redundant, I think Safety is the best bet for who we’ll take. It’s such a good crop, we can hardly lose, but draft position is the primary contingency. I think they’ll be projecting other teams’ needs (which they do quite well) and move to optimize their ability to draft the BPA AND address their needs, they can do both.

by Colinski on Nov 16, 2008 8:48 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, good point...

so I cange my mind back to Rey in the first and Chung in the second. I just hope we can also do something about the FS situation. Maybe Barrett will come around.

by donbok1 on Nov 16, 2008 9:00 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

opening the process

We still have a enough needs to make worrying about player who may or may not be available unnecessary. They actually run through nearly every possibility so they’re not forced to make an actual decision during the draft. There’s not enough time, so they work it out in advance.

If we want to play GM then you should do what they do. Rate the players according to their ability and our needs, and if you don’t like how the board looks when you’re selection comes up, then PUNT! In other words, use that trade agreement you’ve worked out in advance to move. By the time the draft comes around we’ll know — to a reasonable degree of certainty — how the players rank on the big board. If it doesn’t look like a player you want is going to be available around the time we draft then get on the phone and trade positions with another team or reach an agreement to move.

I’d pick out a number of players who should be available in the middle of the draft (and we’ll know by then), like Moore, Mays and Rolle, or Mau and Lau, etc., and decide which you like more than the other. The team’s big board pretty much does the work by the time of the draft. Unless we want one of the top backs (I don’t) it makes sense to start inquiring about a trade to move down to around 20 – 22, where Mays and Rolle will go. That’s my guess, but the Broncos’ braintrust will know how they’ve ranked players and have a much better idea than I have.

by Colinski on Nov 16, 2008 9:58 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Colinski, I agree....

And if the Stormin’ Mormon is the guys I think he is at MLB, which I think he is, it means we are after a different type of line backer than Rey Mau, who is the epitome of a typical MLB.
Thats why my choice is Cushing. He plays strongside as well as a rushing DE. He also subbed in for Rey Mau at MLB. He brings so much variety to the table.
He reminds me a lot of Terrell Suggs/ Adalius Thomas and would bring a LOT to the table.
With the draft picks we have, I think we can get 2 great quality safetys (and the safety class for next year looks very solid, so there looks to be not much discernible drop off between 1st and 2nd rounds….will be some starter quality guys in the 3rd round too).
We look at some DT/DE help in 3rd and 4th rounds, but get our dominator in FA.

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by boydy2669 on Nov 17, 2008 7:50 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

What about drafting a backup QB?

Who’s a smart, late round projected QB with good intangibles? I’m not sold on Hackney, and I want another Kubiak.

Here’s what I think we do:
Rd. 1, pick 32 (j/k, maybe 25ish)- Patrick Chung, S, Oregon. I would take him over Mays.
Rd. 2- DT
Rd. 3- CB
Rd. 4- DE
Rounds 5-7- High motor, high character guys who give 110% and will be great on special teams.

I’d like to know what 1st and 2nd round DT’s are there, and if Chung is likely to slip into the 2nd round. Also, what DE’s and CB’s will be available early in day 2? And where is a good site that I can look all this site up? I know some of us have been talking about a site called Walter Football- what is that? walterfootball.com? .org? I’d like to check it out, if our resident draft experts recommend it.

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by papigrande on Nov 16, 2008 8:20 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

I agree on the wisdom of drafting a late round QB

Since the quota has been increased to two QBs on the PS there seems to be little risk of losing a rookie QB to another team. Green Bay did quite well at drafting and developing QBs that were traded for higher draft choices after 2-3 years of riding the pine. Definitely a good investment.

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by Arctic Bronco on Nov 16, 2008 10:00 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

QBs

I wondered about the QB situation, too. Ramsey is probably not going to be back, something tells me. They’re not forced to do anything because of Hackney’s presence but I expect they’re thinking about it very intently. I would like to see them pick up a veteran, but that’s just my preference

by Colinski on Nov 17, 2008 12:06 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Chung is the best...

SS coming out, but I really doubt we’d have to spend a #1 on him. I know it’s foolish to try and predict at this point but I suspect he’s there for sure in the second depending on where we pick. He is an exciting player though, in the Bob Sanders sort of mold.

by donbok1 on Nov 16, 2008 8:24 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

Our #1 should instead be Kam Chancellor! That is the mos awesome name I’ve ever heard. I don’t know anything about him, I just think his name is unbelievably awesome. If he can play FS, and Chung would be the best-named safety tandem in the NFL.

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by papigrande on Nov 16, 2008 8:49 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

like him

From what I’ve read on him he would make good alternate choice if we don’t get Moore, et al. In fact, he might come come at a much cheaper price so we might want to target him and try to pick up more choices. I’d love to have a slew of 2nd and 3rds, or at least a few more. We can still get a good S and LB, but also, some pretty good DLs near the top of the draft. We could take care of our defensive needs and use the extra picks to take care of some of the offensive positions. Having more picks makes it easier to fill need AND draft the BPA.

by Colinski on Nov 16, 2008 10:06 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know man,

but it is just way too early in the season for me to even think about the draft! It almost makes me feal like I am a QUITTER on this years Broncos, to begin thinking about “who we need!” I’ll get back to you at the end of the super bowl, with a brand new ring. Do you see all the sparkles coming off of this years super bowl ring?

by metalman5050 on Nov 16, 2008 10:11 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

different strokes

I see it as an elevation from passively sitting and watching to actively thinking about how to fix the problems. I haven’t become less of a supporter because I look at the draft, I’ve taken fandom to a whole new level.

For your enjoyment, read this — Draftniks: The Rise of the Mini-Kipers.

by Colinski on Nov 16, 2008 10:19 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

I went and read all of that, two pages of info on guys that make the draft, their life! Get real! If I didn’t need an income then perhaps I could drop out and do nothing but watch football games from small colleges, hoping that I might see one of the many up and comming NFL superstars, and then be able to be the first guy who can say, 10 years later, I told you he was going to be great!

Thanx for the feed, but, I just can’t get into it at this point in the season.

by metalman5050 on Nov 16, 2008 10:49 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Similar to 'Ski

Obviously, I get a kick out of people’s stories. Always have, and like writing which was part of my training

When I started studying the people in the draft, it opened up a lot of areas. I enjoy college ball on a different level. I look for people like HT, styg, TSG, the walterfootball.com site, Scott Wright, etc. and I learn more about the game because each level is more interesting. Because of that, watching the Broncos is more interesting since I know more, and around it goes. Different strokes indeed, but whatever makes you appreciate your passions more works for me.

Larsen for QB...

by Emmett Smith on Nov 16, 2008 10:51 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I hear you bear

I started out just compiling and stockpiling data. I learned very quickly that overload is a very real and very dangerous problem. We end up taking subconscious shortcuts, without realizing we have done it, and the result is shortsighted, biased or inconsistent evaluation.

In the end I love the Broncos, little else, and I am only interested in what we eventually do. My goals regarding the draft have gone from comprehensive knowledge (of 3000+ players? Never going to happen.) to specific and delimited knowledge, with the further goal of creating character pieces based on one of my favorite human traits: potential.

I still maintain my databases, I still scout eons of tape, but my focus is clearly defined now and I couldn’t be a happier draftnik. I think it is a transformation that all draft nuts go through, where they question their values, and end up spending a little time scouting themselves! It pays off.

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by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 17, 2008 12:34 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I really think if Cody is available, that is who we draft

He may be a classic NT, but I think he would be fine as a DT also, the dude is a monster. I think he will come out this year and I expect him to be a top 15 pick, but if he slips, I think we have to take him, I am not sold on any other DT being first round picks, otherwise I think that I would take Mays, Moore, or Cushing (just who I think will be around sometime in the late 1st round), I would also takes Spikes if we haven’t found a solid MLB starter.

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by Broncoman on Nov 17, 2008 5:59 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

risky choice

It’s pretty scary spending a high pick on someone who’s only played at the major college level for a year. More than that, Cody’s fitness level can’t be on the level of some of the other DT prospects, and some of them are pretty big, too. I think we can pick a DL in the 1st round but I’d prefer one of the others. I’m for picking Cody, but I’d wait, and I realize he might not be there later.

I see the Scott Wright has his updated MOCK up. He’s got us selecting William Moore (S) at #15 — I like that. He has Sen’Derrick Marks (DT) going at #17 and Peria Jerry (DT) at #26. I think that our ranking of the DT position is similar to his.

http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-A.php

by Colinski on Nov 17, 2008 7:52 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Jerry at #26?

Everything I’ve seen of him earlier has been between rounds two through four. Has he shot up the boards recently? I know he has decent speed but doesn’t he have some injury issues? Just seems suprising to see him in the first.

by donbok1 on Nov 17, 2008 9:45 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

It depends on who's doing the ranking

I did a quick look around and the median between 4 sites is he’s about a mid -2nd rounder. I don’t know how the DT crop will look when it settles down right before the draft. They’re going to have to work out at the combine after the season and play at the all-star games before the scouts will have their final opinion on them. It looked like a fairly weak crop and still does. Nobody knew about Cody until this season started, since he was a JUCO last year, so he’s the only dramatic riser. Raji has moved up considerably but he’s only a late 1st rounder.

Out of curiosity, I just took a look at the site of the original draftnik himself, Kiper, and he has Raji at #9 and Jerry at #16, and no other DTs in the 1st.

Here’s some of the sites;

Kiper

Scott Wright’s Draft Countdown

Michael Abromowitz – The Football Expert

FF Toolbox

Walter Football – Walter Cherepinsky

by Colinski on Nov 17, 2008 11:26 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

More re: Jerry

I couldn’t resist doing another posting re: Jerry. I just took a look at Walter’s (Cherepinsky – WalterFootball) latest revised MOCK. An aside — I love the fact that he updates continuously to reflect revised player evaluations and changing team draft position.

His latest version has us selecting #1 – Laurinaitis, #2 – Peria Jerry, #3 – Zack Follett (OLB – Cal.). I’d love to see him put a safety in there somewhere but, by my analysis, most of paths have us getting our S & LB OR a DT and either a S & LB, but not both, or not early and high enough. It’s looks like an ideal draft (and this would come close) wouldn’t have everything we want, so to speak. I’m not saying we won’t find help at a great number of positions, but rather, that it would take more high picks for us to be able to add highly rated players at all the positions we would like to fill.

by Colinski on Nov 18, 2008 1:03 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

added thoughts on the DT crop

Your right about the DT crop, Broncoman, there isn’t anyone who’s a true 1st rounder. The reason they go as high as they do is because everyone wants a star DT, so their value is inflated. DTs need to mature but that’s not happening because they can come out early. Cody is so green that we’d be paying him 1st round money to play part time for a few years.

Your also right about choosing the others instead, and that’s because they’d be far more ready to play early in their careers. We might get lucky with Cody but there’s been far higher ranked DTs in recent years who suffered through growing pains and we should learn from their example. Unfortunately, we don’t have the luxury of waiting. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t draft a DT, but it should be done a little later given the shape of this crop.

BTW — I think you could add Curry to the list. There’s a chance he’ll be available at our pick and many people think he’s as good as Mau and Lau.

by Colinski on Nov 17, 2008 8:35 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Sen'Derrick Marks?

You seem more tuned in right now – what do you think?

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by Emmett Smith on Nov 17, 2008 8:48 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

re: Marks

I don’t feel good about any of the DTs, but I could be wrong. I’ve pretty much come to the conclusion that whoever they pick is going to have to possess one outstanding attribute. Hardly any of them look on paper like what I would expect for a top flight DT. The ones that do haven’t shown much yet. That’s partly because they’re underclassmen at some ‘factory’ schools. Lots of potential but a long wait before they can see the field.

As far as Marks goes — he could be a target for the Broncos but he looks like he’ll go somewhat later than they pick in the 1st. He’ll probably be gone in the 2nd. Honestly, I still don’t have a good read on this DT crop.

Here’s a good resource, take a look. Just look for DTs somewhere around where Denver will be drafting in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. You can read the scouting reports and decide whether they sound like there the right material for us.

by Colinski on Nov 18, 2008 1:07 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

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