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Defense Coming Full Circle

The Denver defense and offense is coming full circle - they are finally accomplishing the things that most of us predicted they would after the bye week.  I took the liberty of crunching some numbers and posting them and will provide my opinion on their breakdown because commentators are useless.  Unless they have their media guides in front of them and have their month old talking point, the commentators are about useless.  To be honest, I'm tired of hearing about the horrible, horrific, terrible, ugly, and terrible defense that Denver has; when in fact there has been a vast improvement in the last 3 games.

Star-divide

Week

Passing Off

Rushing Off

Passing Def

Rushing Def

Turnover Diff

Week 1 - Win

300

141

180

150

+1

Week 2 - Win

350

145

377

80

0

Week 3 - Win

264

105

421

88

-1

Week 4 - Loss

361

94

160

213

-3

Week 5 - Win

227

106

181

139

0

Week 6 - Loss

192

131

276

155

-1

Week 7 - Loss

187

106

185

257

-5

Week 9 - Loss

307

14

281

75

-2

Week 10 - Win

447

123

239

160

0

Week 11 - Win

216

121

250

110

+1

There are a couple things that I have noticed - the most obvious of which is turnovers.  Denver has not won a game in which it lost the turnover battle by more than 2.  In fact, the only game we won where we had a negative turnover ratio was the New Orleans game and that was a squeaker.  Does this mean that Jay Cutler has to protect the ball more?  Sure.  But it also means that the defense has to force turnovers whether it be fumbles or interceptions.  We already know why we haven't been able to come up with interceptions this year (only 4) and that is due to our inability to stop the run; however we need to be able to come up with more fumble recoveries and stripping the ball.  Whether this involves sacking the QB more and going for strips or swarming to a running back and stripping the ball - it needs to happen more.

On the turnover issue, we had a turnover differential of -9 in the first half of the season; since the bye week we have a -1 turnover ratio.  Granted we have only played 3 games since the bye week and do not have a large sampling but it does look a lot better than the first half of the season.

The defense has been pretty rough this year but rightfully so.  We all knew that defense was going to be an issue for the Broncos in the offseason - the only difference is that we are experiencing it now.  It's very similar to the bailout our economy is facing now - many people say "Screw 'em; they shouldn't be bailed out" and while I am also in this school of thought, it's a lot easier to say that when it's not affecting you.  We knew the defense would be bad this year with no big splashes in free agency or the draft taken but when you see our defense giving up 408 yards per game it's a little different.  However, we came out of the bye week much improved giving up 371 yards per game.

Our rush defense has been our Achilles Heel this year.  In the first 7 weeks before the bye we gave up an average 155 rushing yards per game - ouch!  So far after the bye we have only given up 115 rushing yards per game which is vastly improved.  Surprisingly, our passing offense has not degraded much with the loss of Champ Bailey.  Before the bye with Champ, opposing offenses threw against us for an average of 254 yards per game; without Champ we are averaging 256 passing yards per game.  Granted neither of these numbers are very good but not as bad as many doomsayers were saying it would be.

Finally we get to the basic explanation of it all - making chicken salad out of chicken !@#$.  I think our defense is awesome and here is how I justify this.  The top three defenses in the league are the Steelers (237.6 ypg), the Giants (265.8 ypg), and the Ravens (267.9 ypg).  Now let's look at what each of these teams has invested in their defenses: 

  • The Pittsburgh Steelers have 5 first day draft picks invested in their defensive starters with an average 7 years of experience per player.
  • The New York Giants have an average 6years of experience amongst their defensive starters and have 5 first day draft picks invested in their defensive starters.
  • The Baltimore Ravens have an average 7 years of experience amongst their defensive starters with 6 first day draft picks spent.

Compare these numbers to the defense that Denver started last week at Atlanta:  Denver fielded a starting defense that had an average experience of 4 years experience and 3 first day draft picks.  While the differences in the statistics do not seem that much different, the difference between 7 years of experience and 4 is huge as is the lack of 3 other first day picks.  Also, Denver only had 1 first round pick starting on defense, Ebenezer Ekuban.  None of the top three defenses have rookies starting for them and throw in the Denver had Larsen (the Stormin' Mormon) and Wesley Woodyard starting and Josh Bell playing considerably. 

Like many of you all predicted the defense is playing better football in the second half.  The long runs seem to be disappearing, sure tackles are being made, and the defense is not over pursuing as much.  Throw in the fact that it looks like we picked up some good defensive players in the offseason and things are starting to turn around defensively.

Spencer Larsen played well on Sunday; while he did or does nothing great, he seemed to do everything well.  I saw him directing players around pre-snap, he kept his head up when shedding blocks and not committing to a lane until the runner did, and he always seemed to be around the ball.  I would like to see him get as many reps at MLB as possible and lose his FB responsibilities.  I was never really impressed with his lead blocking skills (only average) or receiving skills (below average).  A couple MHR faithful have been clamoring for him to be the starter at MLB but I'd like to see how he does throughout the season - I definitely think he earned some playing time.

Wesley Woodyard seems to be a beast and is sneaky fast.  I watched him on a couple plays, specifically on a run to the outside, and he got there in a hurry forcing the ball carrier out of bounds around the line of scrimmage.  I think Woodyard's problem will be finding him a place on the defense.  He seems perfect for a WLB and if we did not have DJ Williams I think he would be the starter.  But I don't think he would be a good MLB and I'm not too sure about him on the Strong Side.  What if Woodyard slimmed down and moved to Strong Safety?  That may be interesting.  I think he would have excellent range and would be a pretty big hitter for Safety while maybe not as much for LB.

I've been pleasantly surprised with what I've seen with Josh Bell so far as well.  Granted I don't think he would be anything more than a nickel back when we have our starters healthy but he did well for what he had to work with on Sunday.

Basically, our team is finding ways to win right now with 2 good ones on the road.  The defense is stopping teams when they need too - granted the two last minute drives tried against them were led by rookies (one actual, one essentially), but our defense fielded a bunch of rookies too.   Pretty soon these commentators will start to play catch up and talk about the improved Denver defense.  Again, they will always be one step behind us as we predicted the defense would play better the second half of the season and now they are.

Poll
What do you think abou the defense after the bye?
Better but not permanenet.
15 votes
Better and going to get better.
57 votes
The same.
2 votes
Worse but it will get better.
0 votes
Crash and burn baby!
0 votes

74 votes | Poll has closed

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Good stuff dude.

We are only a year or two away from having a solid defense. I think drafting DLine first will pay huge dividends later on because Dlinemen have the biggest learning curve of all draft picks.

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by Tim Lynch on Nov 18, 2008 11:19 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I also think that drafting DLine, specifically DT / NT, will not only pay dividends later on but it impacts all of our short comings on defense now i.e. not stopping the run, safety in the box, pass coverage, etc.

But you are right about the learning curve – I think most everyone, myself included, was about ready to jump on the Jarvis Moss is is a bust wagon and it seems like he is starting to come around.

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by nickt84 on Nov 18, 2008 11:42 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't even think Jarvis Moss will come around enough for people to get off his back by the end of next season. lol

I think questions about him will begin to be answered by 2010 though. I still don’t think he will be one of the elite DE in the league, but he will certainly be a valuable SAlfred Williams type…solid above average end. Which is basically what I hope from him in the long run. :)

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by Tim Lynch on Nov 18, 2008 12:00 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

I agree he won’t be a game changer. The game changers in the league just have “it” and they do freakish things – Doom is a game changer because you see this little guy bowling back tackles that have 1 foot and 75 pounds on him in bullrush…that’s freaky.

I do think that he will he will be a good situational pass rusher and fit in a heavy DL rotation very nicely.

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by nickt84 on Nov 18, 2008 12:06 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Moss looks bulkier than he did at the end of last year...can anyone confirm this?

I didn’t recognize him in uniform last week. He looks at least 270…if not more.

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by Tim Lynch on Nov 18, 2008 1:10 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Moss bulkier?

I thought so also – had to keep checking his number to make sure who it was.

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by bradley on Nov 18, 2008 1:14 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Definitely.

I saw him up close and personal at the KC game. The D-line warmed up right in front of my seat. While I do think he has put on weight, I’d guess it’s only about 15 pounds or so. He certainly doesn’t look skinny, but he has a 6’6" frame and could bulk up to 280 without losing too much speed.

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by papigrande on Nov 18, 2008 2:12 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

excellent insight...thanks Papi! Nothing like an up close and personal encounter!

lol, at least now I know it’s not just the “TV adding 10 pounds”. lol

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by Tim Lynch on Nov 18, 2008 2:26 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

If he didn't look skinny then he put on a lot of weight.

At TC he looked like a 6’6 toothpick.

GO BRONCOS!!!

by UnarmingMermaid on Nov 18, 2008 3:02 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

This is from last year but has a bit of info regarding why Moss is skinny

This is from The Gazette written July 10, 2007:

(Moss had problems gaining weight during college because he had a staph infection, but he has recovered. Moss said he weighed 255 pounds on Monday morning, 7 pounds more than he was at Denver’s first camp. He said he wanted to bulk up to 260 pounds before the season starts.

To gain weight Moss eats, takes a short break and then eats again. Starting with his daily breakfast of a bowl of cereal, a fruit plate, an omelet, toast and orange juice, Moss has four meals and three snacks a day.

Moss added quantity and improved the quality of his food intake. As a college student at Florida he had plenty of fast food. Now, he’s loading up on fruits, vegetables and salads.

“It’s the first time in my life I’m finally eating stuff other than McDonald’s,” Moss said.

Moss has spent the past month lifting weights as part of the offseason conditioning program, and said he feels stronger.

Concentrating on nutrition and conditioning full time is a luxury he didn’t have in college.)

Maybe now that a year has passed the added weight and strength is showing. That is the beauty of having youth on the team, watching it grow! I have spoken about Moss with derision, I thought he was very over rated and when we traded up to get him I was even more upset. I really hope he does well and proves me wrong.

by Steve O' on Nov 18, 2008 4:51 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I was going to bring this up

but you beat me to it. One reason I liked us drafting Moss was that, due to the freak circumstances of the staph infection and him losing all that weight, I felt his natural playing weight might well be 15 to 30 pounds heavier than his college weight. I remember one of the more reliable draft reports — this was before we drafted him — saying that he had potential as a run stopper. If it works out that way we’d have the whole package at one end position, perhaps with Doom alternating with a run stopper at the other end. (However, I’m hoping Doom will continue to improve and become an adequate run stopper himself. I think he’s improving that aspect of his game.)

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by spock on Nov 18, 2008 6:12 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Spock

I remember reading something this past camp that said that Moss tried to gain more weight but didn’t feel comfortable being heavier, or something to that effect. I can’t find it now though so I may be wrong.

by Steve O' on Nov 18, 2008 7:22 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I remember it too

but I think it was more recent than that. Maybe it was a temporary thing and now he’s gaining weight.

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by spock on Nov 18, 2008 8:03 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

He was having difficulty keeping it on

this can be a genetic predisposition, or it can be an education and execution problem. i agree with others that he looks bigger. I think his problem was the latter and that he has gotten the training and support he needs to execute a weight gain regimen properly.

And lets not forget just how “raw” he was/is. He missed A LOT of time at florida, and left early…

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by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 18, 2008 9:57 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget about Carlton Powell

I hope that he has been attending all the meetings and reading his playbook so that he’ll be a step ahead of a rookie DT next year.

From what others have said here, he is a run-stuffing monster!

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by DesertBroncoFan on Nov 18, 2008 12:02 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Hate to say this about such a promising young man, but

he is a 5th rounder coming off of a major injury. My expectations are pretty low…hopefully he has been studying that playbook like crazy this year so he won’t have a major learning curve next season. :)

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by Tim Lynch on Nov 18, 2008 1:11 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Granted he stopped the run effictively in college – however, he was drafted in the 5th round for a reason. Whether that is because he is injury prone, or people think his talent would not transfer over – every decision maker’s decision seems to be the same as he fell to the 5th round. My expectations are also low, depth and goal line situations.

However, the experts were not so good on Tom Brady and Terrell Davis and many others…I hope they were wrong about Carlton Powell.

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by nickt84 on Nov 18, 2008 2:58 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

my sentiments exactly! :)

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by Tim Lynch on Nov 18, 2008 5:00 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Ditto

"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen

by spock on Nov 18, 2008 6:13 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Achilles injury

It’s a long haul with lots and lots of rehab but it didn’t stop Stokley, although many people forget how we got him.

by Colinski on Nov 18, 2008 11:36 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Re: Achilles injury

Ekuban came bac from it also, and Powell is a lot younger than Ek or Stokely. Plus, Powell’s injury was early in training camp, so he’s got all year to recover.

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by bradley on Nov 19, 2008 11:01 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Powell's prognosis

He seems like a committed athlete so he should recover. Medical science has improved, which helps, but it’s largely a commitment to work on one’s rehabilitation and it’s a LOT of work.

The issues with Powell are mostly — assuming he’s rehabbed — the same questions we would have had when he came in. However, when I looked at his scouting reports after the draft I was pleasantly surprised with what I read. There’s a good reason to be hopeful, especially since we’re only looking for him to make a contribution, and against some suspect depth. Although, therein lies the crux of the problem since we really need to add a quality starter. The 2009 DT class doesn’t appear to offer much help, but there are virtues in taking a reasonably high pick and then waiting for him to develop.

by Colinski on Nov 19, 2008 11:49 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Shanahan and Co...

were so money in this years draft, that I wouldn’t bet against him becoming a good player.

by donbok1 on Nov 19, 2008 6:28 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice post man.

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by sirsam on Nov 18, 2008 11:31 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks!

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Chuck Norris destoryed the periodic table because he only recognizes the element of surprise.

by nickt84 on Nov 18, 2008 2:58 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Great post, Nick

And good points, Zappa and Nick. Powell is our 1st 2009 draft pick, in a way. Alridge our second, Torain our third – nice way to start an off season. I’m mostly thinking in terms of the DLine, though – Powell was a beast against the run. Shaw didn’t have any stats on Sunday but he seemed stout against the run as well and they players have voted to support him, which is nice. Might be another diamond in the very rough. I’m still leaning towards a safety first, but as long as we get safeties, DL and perhaps a top shelf LB I’ll be happy. (Moss is becoming a pleasant surprise)

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by Emmett Smith on Nov 18, 2008 11:47 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I’m not sure about Moss being a pleasant surprise though – I have more of the attitude of finally! Understandibly though, there is a steep learning curve and he was injured but you hate to see a high draft pick wasted or not working like it should be.

I am interested to see Powell as well. I would still like to see Denver draft a DT high in the draft and a big guy too; granted Powell might be good but he may not and I’d hate to waste an opportunity putting all the eggs in Powell’s basket.

I am really pumped for Alridge, admittedly so more than Torain. I’ve seen Torain and know that he is a keeper. Alridge was really exciting to watch in his limited preseason exposure and I’d love to see him, Torain, Hillis, and Young all mixing it up in the backfield. Each one of them adds so much diversity to the game and they all do at least 1 thing really great and it would put an awful lot of strain on defenses. Do you plan for the lightning fast runner on the outside? The receiving threat out of the backfield that had 100+ receiving? The hammer pounding it up the middle? Or the shifty deceptively quick running back?

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by nickt84 on Nov 18, 2008 11:59 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Those 4 Running Backs

could make for some interesting formations. The defense would never know what hit them if they could somehow all be on the field at the same time (sort of the opposite of an empty backfield).

Take out the WRs, two TEs and four RBs in the backfield with JC under center. It would kind of look like some of the wishbone plays that Air Force runs with a loaded backfield and the defense never knowing who is going to get the ball. Though we wouldn’t run it as a quadruple option, it would still be difficult for the defense to figure out who is going to get the ball and whether he’s going to fly past you or bust you in the mouth.

Sounds like fun!

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by DesertBroncoFan on Nov 18, 2008 12:13 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Of course

it would have to rely on ALL of them remaining healthy!

"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game

"I love your analysis of our team. Its kinda like watching a spider monkey trying to figure out a jar of peanuts.. you know whats going on.. you know whats in there, but to actually figure it out, is just a bit beyond your mental skills..."
- Bronco Dano

by DesertBroncoFan on Nov 18, 2008 12:19 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Quick!

Find some wood to knock on! (that’s what she said)

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Chuck Norris destoryed the periodic table because he only recognizes the element of surprise.

by nickt84 on Nov 18, 2008 2:59 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Running game?
Take out the WRs, two TEs and four RBs in the backfield with JC under center.

Penalty! Twelve men on the field. But seriously, if we had two tight ends and three running backs that might be a great way to close out games with a serious stick-it-down-their-throat running game.

"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen

by spock on Nov 18, 2008 6:24 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry

I got carried away there.

To think that I was a Math major as well. Guess I should have used my calculator!

"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game

"I love your analysis of our team. Its kinda like watching a spider monkey trying to figure out a jar of peanuts.. you know whats going on.. you know whats in there, but to actually figure it out, is just a bit beyond your mental skills..."
- Bronco Dano

by DesertBroncoFan on Nov 19, 2008 11:10 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Always around the ball

That sums it up with Larsen. I wasn’t one of those clamoring for him to be a starter, but he really impressed me Sunday. He seems to have better football instincts that either Webster or Koutouvides (who has been a major disappointment). I like your observations about the way he directed the defense, and concur about him concentrating on defense. If he continues to play like he did Sunday we may have finally found a replacement for Al at Mike. Excellent, informative post. Recommended.

"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen

by spock on Nov 18, 2008 12:50 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I was never really for throwing Larsen to the wolves and seeing what he can do. Granted: some standout players are taken late in the draft and are “diamonds in the rough.” However, the majority of outstanding players are taken in the beginning rounds. To start a player at MLB who was drafted to be a FB in the 6th round is a little auspicious.

However, he played well and everyone’s trust seems to be well placed – I hope he continues to play well. However, I do not advocate throwing Barrett, Woodyard, Larsen, Williams, and Powell all in the starting lineup on day 1.

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Chuck Norris destoryed the periodic table because he only recognizes the element of surprise.

by nickt84 on Nov 18, 2008 2:53 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

good point

of the names in you last sentence, however, only Barrett had a history of immature decisions or questionable work-ethic. One of the hallmarks of this past draft (a grain we went against in selecting Barrett, prompting me to make this statement back in April) was that we got a lot of hard-working, mature players who “get it”. They didn’t need babysitters, or motivational speakers, or cops, they just needed an opportunity to play football.

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by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 18, 2008 3:05 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I think you hit the nail on the head with your statement linked up there.

Though I didn’t agree with you at the time you wrote it…I do now. :)

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by Tim Lynch on Nov 18, 2008 3:47 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Better late than never, right? :)

Seriously, though, I REALLY wanted to like the Barrett pick. He was the most athletically gifted shot we have taken at Safety since I have been watching the Broncos. But he was the opposite of the rest of our picks in so many ways.

I do like the fact that, outside of a little preseason action, he has been brought along slowly. Maturity comes with time, and that is what he has been given, by a team that can’t afford any time to get better safety play.

I hope he is figuring out what he wants and is ready to be the best he can be. He is the type of player who needs to be chomping at the bit to play his best, so I see this year as a buildup to next year and beyond for him. Here is to hoping that he doesn’t betray himself, and let everyone down in the process….

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by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 18, 2008 4:13 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

At this point, we will probably be drafting a Safety in 2009 anyways...Barrett has about 6 months to decide

if playing in the NFL is what he actually wants or not. NFL=Not For Long, buddy.

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by Tim Lynch on Nov 18, 2008 4:28 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

drafting for safety in 09 & 10

I like our chances at Safety in the next two drafts. I’d prefer to find a long term starter but we’ve still have the chance to substantially improve if we select one somewhat later on.

It’s tough to find everything you need — particularly if you have many — in one draft. Last year’s crop just didn’t offer help for us. The next two crops may be stronger as a result, which can sometimes happen because when they’re able to declare early.

It’s hard to knock a 7th pick at an area of need who has stellar measurables, and we weren’t going to find an alternative anyways. So, we wait. As I said a while back, we won’t have an excuse this time, but I don’t necessarily expect we’ll have draft one in the 1st (although it’s a likable idea) since there’s some interesting prospects later in the draft, too.

My point for this posting is to comment on the availability of lesser Safety talent, who probably fit into the character/on-the-field success mold but appear a little short in the measurable department. Here’s just one, who I happened to be looking at:

Louis Delmas FS – Western Michigan, 5-11, 196lbs., 5.1 – 40yd., projected somewhere around the 6th round.

by Colinski on Nov 18, 2008 5:23 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

CORRECTION on Delmas

Note to self, edit.

4.51 in the 40. He’s a little short size-wise but his speed is OK. A small school kid, of course, which often works in the favor of the NFL team that puts the extra effort in on scouting him. Walter on him: “fierce hitter … knack for making interceptions.”.

by Colinski on Nov 18, 2008 5:29 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Delma's stock rising...

Mike Mayock has Delma listed #1 in his top five players who’s stock is rising. Projecting him now to possibly go on the first day. Quite a jump for this small school prospect, he must be having quite a finish this season.

by donbok1 on Nov 22, 2008 5:03 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd love to see an in depth post on certain draft prospects the Broncos could be looking at...but I suppose that

is for after the season ends. lol I am just anxious to see Super Bowl trophies…………….

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by Tim Lynch on Nov 18, 2008 9:08 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Solid job Nick!

Rec’d!

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by Steve Nichols on Nov 18, 2008 2:47 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks!

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by nickt84 on Nov 18, 2008 2:50 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Moss and Barrett....

I am stoked to see Moss coming around. He has come back from 2 pretty major injuries, and has persevered. He has come a LONG way this season, and I agree, he looks bigger and is being used on running downs as well. I think he will be very good, and when he gets a couple of games in a row with some scaks they could come in a hurry.
I want to see Josh Barrett play…..I thought he may have been brought into the squad by now. If they are bringing him along slowly then we essentially get an extra draft pick at the safety position. he must be chaffing at the bit to play after seeing the success of the rookie crew!

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by boydy2669 on Nov 18, 2008 8:09 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

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Great post Nick!

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by boydy2669 on Nov 18, 2008 8:10 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Powell
Granted he stopped the run effictively in college – however, he was drafted in the 5th round for a reason. Whether that is because he is injury prone, or people think his talent would not transfer over – every decision maker’s decision seems to be the same as he fell to the 5th round. My expectations are also low, depth and goal line situations.

Fair points, Nick. Here are the downsides on Powell:

Negatives: Needs to tighten the softness in his midsection…Does a good job flowing to the ball along the line, but must be more alert to keeping his pad level down…When he gets too high and narrows his base, he is susceptible to low blocks…Does not always use his hands to protect his legs from cut blocks, but he has the strength needed to neutralize (does this equally well in one-on-one situations and double teams)… When he gets too tall in his pads, he struggles to shed and stack, causing him to lose some battles in attempts to play off those blocks…Needs to be more consistent shooting his hands, as he tends to lean and give a shoulder rather than extending to play off the blocks, causing him to get washed out some vs. the more active and bigger blockers…Has the timed speed to slip through the pile and apply pressure, but his adequate change-of-direction agility sees him labor at times when he has to get in gear when working in space. Must show better hip flexibility and lateral movement in his backside pursuit before he can be given more opportunities to rush the passer.

A lot of this seems to be technique, and it’s consistent with the axiom that a DT usually takes 3 years to develop. He may end up being a nice surprise. Betting against the Goodmans in the 2008 draft can lighten your wallet.

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by Emmett Smith on Nov 18, 2008 9:17 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

His negatives

point to a guy who is a liability pressuring the pocket right now. It may not always be the case, but I would love to see him get his shot at first and second down. His positives are things that his LBs LOVE to see! :)

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by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 18, 2008 10:02 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Softness around the middle....

Hopefully he is doing tons of situps while he is rehabbing. But I laughed at is comment as if any of the DT in the NFL don’t have any of that “softness” around the middle.

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by YellowStoneBronco on Nov 19, 2008 2:03 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the fact based post, rec'd

My biggest hope is that the scheme(s) will play to the strengths of our personnel. Denver players usually are drafted/signed/traded for based on one common denominator, speed.

If Larsen isn’t a speed demon that shouldn’t be held against him. Average speed can be dealt with via schemes and big pluggers in the D-line.

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by Arctic Bronco on Nov 18, 2008 10:20 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Really enjoyed that, Nick . . .

Did anyone notice Larsen’s tackle at the sideline in the last game? That was the most impressive tackle of the game to me. The RB was sweeping to the left, looking for a cutback lane. Larsen was shadowing him all that time, denying it of the RB. At the sideline, the RB tried to turn the corner, and Larsen was already there.

And he’s a rookie . . .

Someone will say that Larsen is a 6th rounder for a reason. To that I reply, remember Karl Mecklenburg . . .

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by AZDynamics on Nov 19, 2008 2:50 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

TD was also a 6th rounder, so was Tom Brady

Organizations are focusing on the wrong measureables. If they base their analysis on film or attending games like you did, they will measure the actual performance in a 22 man setting, vs. wearing gym shorts at the combine. Plus, even if a MLB lacks good speed in shorts, the real measureable is his speed at shedding blocks and running through the LOS clutter.

It all starts upstairs, if a player can quickly read his keys he can take the right angles. Webster is faster, but his speed is wasted by being out of control and making bad reads, this leads to his constant bad angles and intermittent gap control.

The future looks so bright that we're going to need blue and orange sunglasses!

by Arctic Bronco on Nov 19, 2008 9:57 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly right . . .

There’s a difference between being FAST and being THERE . . .

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by AZDynamics on Nov 19, 2008 10:29 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

EXACTLY!

does speed help when your 3/10 of a second faster 40-time is taken you the wrong way? or if you miss a tackle? or can’t get off a block? or…

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by davecheffy on Nov 19, 2008 11:10 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

i would take 1/2 a mecklenburg right now

damn, i loved that guy. to the Hall with him!

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by davecheffy on Nov 19, 2008 9:55 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

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