Downside Deviation or Upside Capture; What is your Bronco strategy to finish the season?
The Broncos were not a heavy favorite in the AFC West at the beginning of the season. Guru mentioned in his interview with Lee Raizer that the Broncos seem to be righting the ship a bit, I think we all agree with him on that. We are in a great position to make the post season and as HT pointed out in a recent post , we realistically could obtain the number 2 seed. Following two come from behind road wins Bronco Nation is alive and well.
When talking about game planning I am curious to see which way you guys will lean towards. Now that Denver controls their destiny do you think they change their formula?
Downside deviation is basically and simply put (and by no means an exact definition), protecting against a risk. In football terms you may say it is like running the football late in the game with a lead. The main focus is not on results but rather in not making mistakes.
Upside capture is basically the opposite, you are looking for higher results with no regard to risk. In football terms this would be like the QB throwing it 45 - 50 times a game. More points will probably be scored and more interceptions probably thrown.
I also found this nugget of information on a post in the Houston Chronicle by Zachary Levine when asked which is worse, a fumble or an interception; with the thought being that a fumble has to be worse because a long interception downfield is almost like a punt while a fumble is on the spot. According to Levine that isn't the case though,
"Each pass intercepted or interception avoided on offense is good for, on average, .26 additional wins using data from the last six years. Each fumble, .23, and while both are statistically significant, the correlation is noticeably stronger for (the) interception margin."
So if avoiding interceptions is better than avoiding fumbles and by avoiding them you win more, do you pass less? Of course you try and avoid any turnover but hey they happen.
Will the Broncos change their formula or strategies to minimize mistakes with the hopes of winning more games this season and cementing a spot in the playoffs?
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Steve, this is the stategy for this team....
Win enough games to make it into the playoffs—win the playoff games—and the game after the playoffs.
The best defense is a good defense!
And last week's young players. Yes!
by Mike Clark on Nov 21, 2008 7:36 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget the Pro-Bowl.
Gotta win at that too. A nice, relaxing blowout this week would be nice for our nerves. 37-0 baby!
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by papigrande on Nov 21, 2008 7:44 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
A thought on fumbles vs. INTs
When a guy fumbles, unless it is the QB, you have an opportunity to limit his reps from that point forward, as a risk management factor. THey aren’t as detrimental to long term (i.e. length of a game) momentum.
But almost all INTs come from the same source, the QB. Taking the ball out of his hands is a limited proposition, especially given the catch-22 nature of INTs: if you throw INTs there is a better than average chance that you will need to throw the ball more to win, since you will be behind. This means that the effect of an INT can carry for longer than a fumble (either in the psyche of the QB, or in the fact of increasing the pressure on him and making his job even more difficult), and thus have a slightly larger effect.
Interesting post steve.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 21, 2008 7:57 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Styg
Personally I voted for the second one. I would rather see balance. A blend of both that keeps defenses guessing. It’s kind of like golf, when every club in your bag is great, your great, so I hope to utilize every weapon.
by Steve O' on Nov 21, 2008 9:28 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
In Denver's case....
I run the ball with a lead. QBs play better when the defense doesn’t anticipate a pass on every play. When we run the ball more, Cutler has a much higher chance of making completions, and a lesser chance of INTs over the course of the game. And of course, we weaken the the defense and the clock winds down.
With the exciting and formidable weapons we have on offense, any fan in their right mind wants to see an aerial display. But our passing game will be more effective and efficient if coupled with a solid running game.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Nov 22, 2008 4:19 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
HT if you don't mind me asking, which poll answer did you choose?
Win or lose, it's always it a great day to be a Bronco fan!
by Steve O' on Nov 22, 2008 8:49 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't at first.
When you asked I took another look.
Denver is hard to predict, so I was reluctant to pick anything. I went with #2 because any good team should consider each opponent. On the other hand, I like the idea of playing one’s own style so well that the other guy has to make adjustments to accout for your team.
I also like the idea of #4 though. I think we need to pound the ball a lot more.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Nov 23, 2008 8:28 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
HT
Agreed.
We need a mix.
If the running game is moving the chains the whole game, and converting 3rd and shorts this sets up the passing agem, and essentially makes it a lot easier for Cutler and the offense as the defense cant drop the DBs back into double coverage.
Will it be as spectacular….no. But we will score easily and often, and have complete control of the game.
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by boydy2669 on Nov 22, 2008 7:37 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
About interceptions having a bigger impact than fumbles
Maybe the reason is psychological. When a QB throws an interception he tends to lose confidence and/or play more conservatively, so the offense starts spinning its wheels. A runningback fumbling is not as critical. You can just plug in another back, and even if you don’t I don’t think it impacts the offense nearly as much. So the interception leaves the defense in better position when it comes on the field, but the negative impact it has on subsequent offensive (!) play more than offsets that momentary (relative) advantage. I noticed a clear pattern during our losing streak. The offense would move right down the field, then turn the ball over, usually on a pick, and after that would struggle. Each time I would think, well, we’ve lost a possible touchdown and therefore put ourselves at a temporary disadvantage (or lost a temporary advantage), but our offense is so good we can overcome it. But each time the offense struggled after that and we continued to lose ground. And the effect was cumulative from game to game. If that was Cutler’s one rocky period this year, and if he’s over it, we’re in good shape for the stretch run.
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by spock on Nov 22, 2008 12:47 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Spock
I think you may be on to something there. It may be psychological in the QB but maybe more so in the coaches faith in the QB. It always seems the play calling becomes much more conservative after an interception or two. That change in playing calling can’t be helping the QB’s psyche either!
Win or lose, it's always it a great day to be a Bronco fan!
by Steve O' on Nov 22, 2008 1:56 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
No doubt the coach's playcalling becomes more conservative
and that probably makes the Broncos easier to defense. But I think there’s also a sudden slacking of intensity, due to lack of confidence, and that may be the other players reacting unconsciously to Cutler’s body language and maybe voice quality. We communicate in ways we’re not aware of. I remember one game, don’t remember which one, in which we drove down the field twice and turned the ball over both times. I thought, well, at least we’re moving the ball, so instead of scoring six or seven times it’ll be four or five times due to those missed opportunities. But after that they stopped moving the ball, so it was only two or three scores or, if it was the New England game, one. So the turnovers
are more than just one or two fewer chances to score. They affect how the team plays for the rest of the game, especially if they’re picks according to the stats you quoted.
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
by spock on Nov 22, 2008 5:36 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
My (oversimplified) thoughts
Coaches automaticaly run the ball if “ball protection” is the issue. The assumption in football thought is that running the ball is risk averse, while passing leads to higher rewards, but much more risk.
Thus, when a team throws an int, they are more likely to cast blame on the QB, the WR, or the playcaller. A fumble is considered so unlikely that the incident is quickly forgotten. In fact, from a psychological perspective, an INT is considered the “fault” of the QB more than credited to the defensive player, while a fumble is often thought to be the resulty of a good hit or strip that was likely unpreventable.
I’m not saying that we don’t jump on RBs for not holding onto the ball (especially if it happens too much), but on a deeper level of consciousness, I think we are quicker to blame ourselves for INTs than for fumbles.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Nov 23, 2008 8:37 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
HT Hope you're feeling better! At least well enough to watch the Broncs romp today!
Win or lose, it's always it a great day to be a Bronco fan!
by Steve O' on Nov 23, 2008 8:57 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Feeling much, much better.
But the game isn’t televised here. I’ll have to settle for NFL.Com’s little animated thing, and KOA’s broadcast.
Thanks for the thoughts!
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by Steve Nichols on Nov 23, 2008 10:02 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
HT, Check out justin.tv, I caught last weeks game on the web
watched it from my labtop. I am not certain if it is airing the Broncos game this week though.
Win or lose, it's always it a great day to be a Bronco fan!
by Steve O' on Nov 23, 2008 10:48 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I've got an old system.
I don’t have much luck with short video clips, let alone a game. But I appreciate the heads up!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Nov 23, 2008 11:07 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
run / pass balance
We discussed the the R/P balance issue at the end of the pre-season, when it became apparent that the Broncos were (apparently) going to be passing more this year than in the past. The 55-P/45-R division that existed at the time sparked an interesting debate over the Bronco’s future plans on offense.
I’m not sure what to make of the RISK FRIENDLY/RISK AVERSIVE framing of our offensive plans. I doubt that risk is the driving consideration when game-planning for opponents.
Echoing some comments that were made by me and others during the debate at the end of pre-season — the NFL has become more of a passing league over time and the run first teams of yore aren’t representative of current football strategy. Teams often use the pass, or threat thereof, to set up the run. Running in this case can be an indication that the opposing defense is ‘more’ worried about the threat of the pass. And so the amount of R/P plays isn’t a passive indicator of a team’s choice but rather an ‘artifact’ of plays chosen within an interactive strategic context.
I do think the Broncos’ running game has been slower to develop this season and that’s had a lot to do with the play calling choices. I also think the passing game has been a strength, which has made it easier to call passing plays. The injury situation at RB is also part of why we’ve relied on the pass, among various other reasons. The R/P balance has been shifting towards the run but “balanced” in today’s football is somewhere around 55-P/45-R.
I’m sure that Shanny would love to use the run more than we have but circumstances haven’t allowed it. Results have been good despite the injury situation, perhaps partly because of the gelling of OL. It says something that we’re succeeding with a converted rookie FB at RB.
by Colinski on Nov 23, 2008 1:55 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

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