Fans get their wish....Josh Barrett signed to Active Roster
by John Bena on Nov 22, 2008 1:17 PM MST
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The Denver Broncos on Saturday signed safety Josh Barrett to their active roster from their practice squad, Head Coach Mike Shanahan announced.
The club also on Saturday waived running back Alex Haynes, who spent the last two weeks with Denver after he was signed on Nov. 10.
Barrett (6-foot-3, 225 pounds) is a rookie safety who was on the Broncos' practice squad for the first 11 weeks of this season. Selected by the Broncos in the seventh round (220th overall) of the 2008 NFL Draft from Arizona State University, Barrett saw time in all four preseason games for Denver and ranked fourth on the club with 11 defensive tackles while adding two special-teams stops.
A two-year starter at Arizona State, Barrett played 47 career games (27 starts) for the Sun Devils and totaled 174 tackles (121 solo), six interceptions (77 yds.), 17 pass breakups and four fumble recoveries. He received honorable mention All-Pacific-10 Conference honors as a junior in 2006.
Barrett was an all-state selection at Reno High School in Reno, Nev. He was born on Nov. 22, 1984
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That's nice a birthday gift
Happy Birthday Josh Barrett, now take advantage of an opportunity!
Win or lose, it's always it a great day to be a Bronco fan!
I think we MHRers can pat ourselves on the back
One after another the people touted here earlier this year have been put in a position to contribute, and have often done so.
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
YES YES YES YES!!!!!
Did I happen to mention……YYYYEEEESSSSS!!!
This is a great thing.
I am hoping that he has developed enough that he could be a bit of a surprise packet on ST and the backfield for us.
Perfect game to bring him in and cut him loose.
If Barrett works out how we all hope….and I have a feeling he will jonesing to go hard…..then it really opens up the draft and FA for us next season, where we can go at need and some luxury positions as well.
Man, I hope he works out, then we can go a Taylor Mays and Brian Cushing as well.
Here is to the success of Barrett, and the continued success of WW and Larsen at LB.
STOKED!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
Mays & other FS prospects
The nice thing about Mays, Moore and Rolle is that they can pass cover, which should allow us to play a Barrett-Mays, etc., tandem. I love the hard hitting Safeties in the Lynch, D Smith, Atwater mold but I really, really don’t want to see them sacrifice pass coverage ability. We probably should make our desires for the Safety position clear when we talk about the position. I tend to use shorthand expressions like a centerfielder, meaning that one of the Safeties — probably the FS — needs to be superior at deep coverage.
The good thing about Rolle is he may become a Rhodes scholar, and can hit too!
Win or lose, it's always it a great day to be a Bronco fan!
They said tonight in the game against Maryland he was awarded the scholarship
Win or lose, it's always it a great day to be a Bronco fan!
Rolle's plans
The biggest question mark on him is whether he’ll forgo football in his quest to become a doctor. I don’t know if Oxford will wait but football may not. His ambition is to BOTH pursue his academic related pursuits AND a football career. I don’t think he should forget about his off-the-field ambitions but it’s a little easier to pursue football now and the other things later. I can think of others who have combined athletics and a medical career, like Mark Spitz, who later went on to a distinguished medical career after his swimming gig ended.
My hope is that Rolle stays with football and continues his academic/medical career on the side. It’s a workable solution, and he’s very lucky to have a potential job that would allow him to pursue other things on the side. CU’s med. school is pretty good, if we’re lucky enough to land him. I can’t see any major obstacles that would prevent him from becoming a doctor after he fulfills his dream of playing in the NFL.
There's also a lot of stuff...
(bio and chem) to keep in your head between the time you leave undergrad and when you return to med school. Also, a Rhodes scholorship is a once in a lifetime chance, and one that may not be there after a football career. I would take Oxford and the medical training now, and pass on football. If it were law school, or even just a shot at medical school, I could see shooting at football. But a Rhodes Scholarship to Oxford? He can punch his ticket anywhere or at anything he wants after that, and I couldn’t blame him for setting aside football for that.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Nov 23, 2008 6:45 AM MST up reply actions
Does his acadamic success raise his value in your opninions?
Obviously you want a smart player but that doesn’t always correlate with success.
Win or lose, it's always it a great day to be a Bronco fan!
Absolutley!
While I would prefer this player pursues Oxford and drops football altogether, I think he would be terrific in football.
I agree it doesn’t always corelate with success. But there are some special factors at play.
1) This isn’t just academic success. This is Rhodes Scholar level success. This is off the chart stuff if one is thinking “Wonderlic” testing.
2) We are talking about the safety position. Some positions attract smart people, because dummies have a hard time playing the position (OL attract smart guys for example). But at safety, more of the position requires intelligence proportionate to any other position (even QB in my opinion, since the QB has so many other requirements, like a good arm, etc).
Yes, academic success isn’t an absolute when gauging success at a position. But a Rhodes Scholar at safety is the same idea as putting Lynch (slow, but very bright) at safety. At safety, the intelligence translates into extra steps, even if the player isn’t fast. In the case of Rolle, we aren’t talking slow either.
My guess is that he would study film and process the information faster than others. On the field, he would use the information better. I also think he would be a better pro level player than a college player. This is because he would be “full time”, and have the benefit of having coaches dedicated to teaching him advanced techniques that he didn’t have time for in college.
In college, most of his time was devoted to learning how to play his position well, and physical training. At the pro level, learning more in depth technigues (like reading an offense) have time to be taught.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Nov 23, 2008 8:48 AM MST up reply actions
I've got to ditto HT.
A Rhodes scholarship is truely a once in a lifetime opportunity. It opens doors that will never be opened again. He must go that way. From what I’ve heard of his plans, he’ll make many more and better contributions to man that way. May God blesss him.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Nov 23, 2008 10:27 AM MST up reply actions
Bear did a short bio on Barret Aug. 2nd--if any of you would like to read.
The best defense is a good defense!
And last week's young players. Yes!
Here are the links
And a draft day article, with some of his drawbacks, for balance.
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 22, 2008 4:10 PM MST up reply actions
Enjoyed both links
and appreciated the balance of your draft day article. I think the team went at it the right way for a late round pick, which was to take someone with issues (hence his availability) but with a big upside. I think we should go for a safety in the first round, second at the latest, next year, but if Barrett works out, even if only as depth, that will help upgrade the position even more. We’re getting close to the point of being able to draft the best man available each round and strengthen whatever position he happens to play.
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
I love the fact that Barrett
has been a nonissue so far this year. The only news we have on him has been getting signed to the active roster.
Hopefully the great eye of history will see his Bronco story as a series of simple steps into a solid contributor, without any negative setbacks…
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 22, 2008 8:28 PM MST up reply actions
Barrett's character / a character segue
A posting on the general character issue is overdue, since many here have lapsed into using the term character as a synonym for other things. I don’t believe Barrett has character issues, by which I mean behavioral problems, but he does need to ‘mature’ on the field, by which I mean, primarily, learn to read the offense. Barrett’s relatively minor conflicts with the ASU staff aren’t a concern at this point, it’s his on-the-field maturation as a player that’s an issue.
BTW — I’m also guilty of using character as a synonym for “over-achievers,” who are the type of players I much prefer, to be contrasted with underachievers, prima donnas, etc., who get under my skin a little. I thought Styg50’s comment was a good point to introduce this topic. I’ll try to post on this later.
Well, I don't see how he could make that position any worse than it is . . .
Never argue with a fool, lest you take on his appearance. - my daddy
What took so long?
Im sure somebody has the answer. Why was he kept on the practice squad while Denver brought in new guys like Lowry?
"If Denver beats us, I'll walk back to Detroit" - Alex Karras
Because by throwing him out to the wolves we could have done permanent damage to him.
Players are put on the practice squad to iron out fundamental mistakes. By putting him into games, we would have caused his mistakes to become uncorrectable. I agree that he couldn’t have been any worse than Lowry has been this year, but by waiting, we have a better chance of fully maximizing his potential. Hopefully, Shanahan has worked with him to correct his lapses, whatever they might be, and he will be able to come in and contribute for us.
If Mike Shanahan were a hotdog, would you eat him? I know I would. Hell, I'd eat him twice.
late in the year, why not!
As I recall, there’s a limit of 2 years on the practice squad but players can be called up late in the year without sacrificing their practice squad eligibility for the next year, or later if not used. Steven Harris was called up last year at the end of the season and still retained his PS eligibility.
We hope that Barrett has progressed since he disappeared in the later part of the pre-season, but there’s no good reason not to take advantage of his status, although some thought — as always — should be given to whether he can help the team. And that point is even more important now that our prospect for a berth in the playoffs is likely.
A complete segue here — Miss. V. LSU has been playing on TV. I haven’t paid attention but the announcers are touting DT Peria Jerry. Some of the other DT prospects are playing, too.
correct on the PS eligibility
last year we brought up Roderick Rogers in week 12.
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 22, 2008 4:11 PM MST up reply actions
it doesn't mean it's good for him, of course
Let’s hope he’s developed. Either way, were going to get a feel for whether he’s potentially part of our future plans. It’s nice to know that going into the off-season.
This Week
I hope he debuts some at SS this week since we are at home against a terrible opponent. It would be better to break him in against Oakland than on the road against the Jets.
styg nailed it
Notice in his past via the drafting of Barrett that he wants this pick to work out (me too) and tht he foresaw a need for some seasoning.
Given the train wreck that was our early defense, can anyone debate giving Barrett time on the PS, letting him learn the pro game and placing him in a position to succeed against a weaker opponent? I’m not looking past the raiders, just noticing that statistically and morally their current team is beset with turmoil.
Barrett needed to mature his senior year of college. He has an excellent skillset and solid metrics. He needs to mature, season, develop. Kudos to the Broncos for apparently making some good choices. I hope that Barrett comes in for some downs and has some success, setting him up to develop further. Things often take time.
He doesn’t know anything but 100 percent
- Shanahan on Larsen
Very well said.
I agree that it will most likely take time. In the early goings, I just want to see him on special teams. Put him in at gunner on kickoffs and let him show off that 4.3 40. I don’t think we should rush him into the starting lineup too soon, and risk ruining his amazing talent. I think they waited until this late in the season to bring him up because they want him to just get his feet wet a little, and also to retain his practice squad eligibility next year, should we be inclined to move him back there next year. Best case scenario, he comes in and sets the world on fire, but that is a very slim possibility. He’s still a very raw player and has many kinks in his game to work out before we see him in a starting lineup. I think anyone that expects him to come in for Calvin Lowry and play like a pro bowler (a la Peyton Hillis, Spencer Larsen, Wesley Woodyard, Ryan Harris, Eddie Royal, Josh Bell) will be sorely disappointed. He isn’t the same kind of player as those guys; he doesn’t havethe same mindset. My ceiling for him is five plays per game on defense, and I will measure his success by how often he plays on special teams.
If Mike Shanahan were a hotdog, would you eat him? I know I would. Hell, I'd eat him twice.
interesting
as colinski mentioned above with clarifying the idea of ‘character’, we are looking at a diametric opposite from the formula that has worked so well so far with our unexpected young contributors (outside of Royal and Clady, of course).
Larsen, Woodyard, Bell bring a work ethic and maturity to the table that puts them ahead of the ‘curve’. And the ‘curve’ perhaps is best described by referring to Barrett and his obvious talents. They are specifically ahead of him, and ahead of all players who simply need to mature into their roles on the field.
A ton of great observations guys, thanks!
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 23, 2008 12:41 AM MST up reply actions
The force is strong in this one
Hey, as I have said, it really can’t be any worse than what we have put on the field for safeties this year, is he raw, likely, but you can’t teach size and speed, you can coach the rest, make it simple and let him use his abilities.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
Let's not forget to measure him...
by what he has around him. His skill will be influenced by the pass rush, and whether he is expected to protect an island by himself (solo deep safety). He also may be judged harshly if the front seven let runners through to him on a constant basis.
A goalie in hockey may have a million shots thrown at him in one extreme example game, stop 950,000 of them, and still get criticized for missing 50,000. Lowry led the team in tackles a few weeks ago, but without a partner taking the other half of the field, and with the front seven letting every runner through, he was expected to be Superman (in my opinion).
I hope Barrett is a speed demon and an effective safety, but I also hope we judge him with fairness. It’s his first game, and we’ll need to see if the scheme and the other players support the position so he can support them in return.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
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