Lack of Attention, Shoddy Defense Push Marshall Over the Edge

by John Bena on Nov 3, 2008 5:43 AM MST in Strictly My Opinion Comment 37 comments

Brandon Marshall is an incredible talent. He also play wide receiver. Most times, those two things aren't a very good combination when things aren't going well and the ball isn't coming your way. Both are happening now for the Broncos and Marshall, who didn't catch a pass or see one thrown his way until the 2nd Half of yesterday's 26-17 loss to the Dolphins. There was also that bogus pass interference penalty on Marshall that nagated an 80 yard TD strike that would have given the Broncos the lead.

Whatever the reason, Marshall had plenty to say after the game, as did Joey Porter. First, let's see what Porter had to say about Marshall --

He’s one of those guys that if he don’t get the ball in the first two series in the first quarter, he’s out of it. He had 18 catches in a game before. So he’s not used to going the whole first half with no balls. We got in his head and he pretty much was done.

I didn’t get inside his head, we just were talkin’. He got in his own head. He was done. He’s one of those soft receivers, where he has to have the ball all the time. If he don’t get it, he’s going to mope and cry. He did it to himself.

Tough words, to be sure, but are they accurate? Here is what Marshall had to say, first about his quarterback --

When the quarterback sees 1-high or cover-1 (coverage), he’s got to be on the same page as me and get the ball to me, but it’s a team game, and oh, well.

Oh, well??

Marshall also expressed his frustration at the Broncos inability to take advantage of a Dolphins defense that was selling out to stop the run --

I mean, when I look at it, it’s common sense. If I was a receiver going against our defense and they’re stacking the box and we’re playing a 1-high defense and eight in the box, and the DBs are 10 yards off of me, I’m going to catch 10, 12 balls a game.

On the performance of the Broncos pass defense, Marshall had more to say --

I mean, I don’t even know that (Miami) receiver’s name who caught all those balls. It’s simple. Tighten up the coverage and just play ball. It’s simple. It’s real simple. They don’t need to be 10 yards off. Tighten it up. You see they don’t do that against us. The reason why is because a receiver will kill them. I don’t even know the name of that receiver. Don’t know it

Marshall is talking of Dolphins WR Greg Camarillo, of course. Camarillo had a career day, catching 11 passes for 111 yards, mostly against Karl Paymah. Can't say that I don't agree with Marshall on his point. The Broncos inexplicably played a soft coverage against a quarterback that doesn't throw the ball deep all that often.

When asked about the critical pass interference penalty, Marshall tried to be diplomatic --

There was definitely some contact, but this type of game, this type of environment, you’ve got to let us play, It’s a physical game. I mean, the refs did a great job today.

Nice try, Brandon.

There is trouble brewing in the land of Orange and Blue. Sure, it is likely that there is nothing going on that a little winning won't fix, but each week that is appearing harder and harder as injuiries and inconsistent play continue.

It's a short week and the Broncos don't have long to right the wrongs. Perhaps that is a good thing, for the offense, the defense, and a QB/WR combo this team needs to be successful

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As far as I'm concerned Marshall is on notice.

I’ve been tired of his antics since this spring. I am sick of making excuses for his talent. He may be the best receiver to ever live, but the Broncos cannot afford a TO or an Ocho Cinco in this lockerroom. Calling out his teammates(QB and Secondary) the way he did is absolutely shameful.

If he does this again I’ll be first in line calling for his head. Has he stopped talking to Rod?

by JR_G on Nov 3, 2008 5:53 AM MST reply actions 0 recs

I disagree

It is unfortunate that Marshall had to make his opinions known to the whole wide world. But I think that Jay Cutler had one of his worst games I’ve seen him have; which is allowable. All three interceptions can be explained but should not be excused.

The first pick looked like he thought Stokely would break outside instead of inside. Normally I would say that Stokely messed up the route but looking at the coverage later and the fact that Jay made 2 worse decisions later in the game; I chaulk that one up to Cutler.

The second pick was the worse one. Granted Allen peeled off of Stokely to cover Marshall underneath; great defense. But this is a result of Jay locking onto Marshall right away and not realizing that defenders were watching him.

The third pick was a bad decision. I think he saw the safety back there but thought he could get the ball there before he did…obviously not.

Granted Marshall was covered well all day; however he was covered 1-on-1 a majority of those times. This is an obvious advantage to Marshall with his size, strength, and aggressiveness.

So far as the defense, I think that Marshall was calling out the defensive scheme and playcalling more than the secondary. I thought Paymah had a great day and made a good push to lock in that 3rd spot next year. Paymah played his coverages great even though he was playing soft zone, he gave up almost no yards after the catch. When you are playing a soft zone that’s all you can do really and I thought he did great.

It does look like there is a meltdown in Denver right now but I chaulk up this loss to Cutler. The defense really played a lot better than they have been and played better than I was expecting against the run and completely shut down the Wildcat. Again, I think that the biggest problem we had defensively was the schemes. Take away the three interceptions that Cutler threw and this should have been one. The interceptions were not the result of amazing defense but rather poor QB decisions.

I cannot necessarily blame Marshall for voicing his opinions. He called Jay Cutler out on his decision making this game and good…I think that Cutler’s head has maybe gotten a little too big of late and Marshall needed to humble him. Very similar to how Cutler humbled Marshall in the spring. This is what teammates do and we shall see what happens Thursday.

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by nickt84 on Nov 3, 2008 6:22 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I think you hit the nail on the head...

With your final paragraph. Marhsall took the verbal beating Cutler gave him through the media this spring, and he deserved to. That doesn’t mean Marshall fogot about it. Now that it is Cutler who is struggling a bit, hurting the football team with his play, Marshall sees his chance. We all know receivers need to be treated with kid gloves sometimes, hell even Hines Ward has come out at times about not getting the ball, but somewhere along the line these two need to get on the same page.

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by John Bena on Nov 3, 2008 6:31 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Your an idiot

If Marshall doesn’t step up and call somebody out nobody will. Shanahan has never opened his mouth and thats why we needed the best QB ever to win a superbowl. Don’t fuckin compare Marshall to T.O. or Ocho Cinco those guys are the pigs of the NFL that play for money and glory. Marshall’s trying to win and him and Cutler always give each other critism that works. Remember when Marshall “sliped” and fucked up his arm. Cutler called him out and he hasn’t gotten in a public incident since.

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by USCnumber1 on Nov 3, 2008 10:36 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Take it easy

We are all on the same team here. We all want what is best for the Broncos, even if we don’t always agree on the best way to do that. Even in disagreement please try to be civil.

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 4, 2008 12:09 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Porter is all smack

Joey (Don’t let the dogs out) Porter is one of the League’s biggest mouths and he has the gall to call out another player complaining? C’mon Porter, keep your comments to yourself. Porter hates Denver because he got shot in Denver. Just go away Porter.

As far as Marshalls remarks, maybe he should have kept them to himself, I don’t know, but there wasn’t anything he said that wasn’t true, like it or not.

"If Denver beats us, I'll walk back to Detroit" - Alex Karras

by Denver Diehard on Nov 3, 2008 6:30 AM MST reply actions 0 recs

Exactly...

Everything Marshall said was on target….Hard to hear, but most likely needing to be heard….

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by John Bena on Nov 3, 2008 6:32 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

whoaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

real classy….joey hates denver cuz he got shot there…real nice buddy.

way to bring u p shootings…after losing a star cb to a shooting…real classy..just like u guys proved all week..worst fans in nfl

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by Rzayo24 on Nov 3, 2008 7:02 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I hate to say it, but I agree with Rzayo24’s initial point (though not at all on his last), DenverDiehard. Accusing Joey Porter of hating Denver—or Colorado, for that matter—is wide of the mark, and was not, in fact, classy. The man played four sterling years for the Colorado State Rams in Fort Collins, and has long-stated his fondness for the state and his time here. Like it or not, and although I may disagree with how he said it, I believe Porter has a point: Marshall allowed the talk to get to him, therefore the responsibility lies with Marshall. It is up to him to disregard it and keep playing his game. That said, talking mess is a part of the modern era and it will not go away. Marshall knows that, and he often uses it to his advantage: recall the media-duel with Adam ‘Pacman’ Jones during the pre-season that he ostensibly won. Ultimately, mental toughness is about disregarding the negative and continuing to play one’s game. Marshall didn’t do that yesterday. In my personal opinion, he dogged it, and nothing was more indicative of that than during the crucial 4th quarter drive when a pass over the middle hit him in the hands and he dropped it because he heard the coming footsteps of a tiny CB, one that promptly bounced of his 6’5" frame and hit the turf. I know for certain that Rod Smith will place a phone-call to B-Marsh about that, and I hope that he listens good and hard to what the master has to say.

It’s been said by many and echoed a lot on these pages: this is a young team that needs to be tested, and will be tested. I view this as a growing-up process—both for Marshall and the team. There will continue to be growing pains, but they are necessary to learning tough lessons and getting better prepared for future challenges. In crisis lies opportunity, and it’s up to these young team leaders to develop quickly, and develop together.

by Arturo Bandini on Nov 3, 2008 7:58 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't like the comment either....

but understand people are upset this morning. Porter is a Colorado guy. I want to focus to return to what he said and the type of player Porter is. He is exactly what the Broncos are missing in the locker room. Even when the Dolphins were losing last year he was guaranteeing victories and talking his smack. That is what we need on this football team. Porter talks it, but he also brings it, for 60 minutes, every week and at every practice.

Where is that voice? Where is the Shannon Sharpe who would say something just to take the pressure off his teammates by putting the spotlight directly on him? Would talk on the field to get Derrick Thomas to commit 3 15-yard penalties on one drive? That is the type of play Joey Porter is and the type of player the Broncos need.

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by John Bena on Nov 3, 2008 8:11 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

classy guys

thanks…and for the record the jets are the worst lol..

Porter is EXACTLY what a team needs…but only 1 of him..haha…last yr his act was tired..but when u back it up its cool

Marshall shocked me…that was crazy. Porter was right on…you cant take urself out of a game mentally.

Marshall talking smack about Camarillo is just funny….i mean….we dont even know who he is lol.

hey…#22 is a keeper guys….who in the hell??

again…great game….u win some of those….u lose some of those…we lost to the texans..u beat the chargers…it all evens out in the end. bad call wise apparently as well huh?

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by Rzayo24 on Nov 3, 2008 8:21 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I would give back the SD game...

Right now because ever since every 50/50 call has gone the other way…

Like you said, that’s football, and the refs ARE NEVER to blame for a loss, EVER.

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by John Bena on Nov 3, 2008 8:24 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Joey Porter

Porter is the kind of player you love to hate if he’s on the other team, but love to love if he’s on yours. Like Bill Romanowski, for example. I’d be willing to bet Denver Diehard would become an instant fan if he landed on the Broncos. And who knows? I think I read somewhere he’s a free agent after this year, and maybe he’d like to come back to Colorado. I’m a Colorado State alum (albeit about 30 years before Porter) and I’d welcome him back. He certainly does not hate Colorado – the day before the game, he was in Fort Collins talking to the CSU football team. He donated a lot of money to the CSU Athletic program about five years ago.

If there's gonna be a collison, you better start it. Larry Csonka.

by bradley on Nov 3, 2008 9:52 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

#22 is Peyton Hillis, FB

This was his first amount of significant playing time and boy did he step up. Definatly what we needed and couldn’t be happier. I was waiting for him to get some playing time and I expect him to get plenty more against the Browns on Thursday.

"It doesn't dissipate" ~ Mike Shanahan

Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 4

by weazel on Nov 3, 2008 7:19 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I hear you, Guru.

And do understand that I am just as frustrated, and just as upset; it isn’t an adequate defense to say such things, in my opinion—though I certainly respect DD’s right to say it, and neither do I wish to denigrate him, but to hold him to the higher standard we have here at MHR—the very one that keeps us from scraping that barrel-bottom known as raider/charger fandom.

That said, I completely agree with you about the type of player Porter is, and the role he fills. Yet, there is another facet to his game that we desperately need on this defense (and the offense as well)—and it’s one you and I have long agreed upon—toughness. It’s been a worrying trend since last year’s mauling by the Jaguars (not to mention this year’s, or even the New England game—ask Pittman how hard those LBs hit). We simply don’t have the personnel to go out there and punish the opposition. Lynch, Atwater, Wilson, Dennis Smith, Neil Smith, Rulon Jones, Mecklenberg—hell, even Mobley—very few teams wanted to play against these guys in their respective eras, but now I get the sense that the opposition licks their chops whenever they take the field against us, home or away. I had hoped that a player like Carlton Powell could help address that this year, but unfortunately he was lost for the season. The spine of this defense is certainly in need of an overhaul. We need some punishing players at DT, MLB, and—perhaps most of all—SAF. That’s next year’s problem, however, and I hope that with time, B-Marsh can mature into the type of player you mention (and one that I have never questioned the toughness of), a focal point that the team can rally around.

Also: lost in the fire and fury of yesterday’s game and post-game was Hillis’s emergence as a stretch-the-field threat against LBs, and—I hope—one that is far more durable going forward than Scheffler.

by Arturo Bandini on Nov 3, 2008 8:31 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Retraction and explanantion

Wow, I’ve been away from the computer a few days now, and didn’t realize what a stir I caused with my comments about Joey Porter. I’ll be the first to admit that I wrote my thoughts wrong on the subject. Guru was right that I was frustrated and I wrote it early in the morning without really thinking about it, but let me explain what I was thinking.

"Porter hates Denver because he was shot in Denver". I did not mean the city of Denver, but should have said the Broncos. It was sarcastic yes, and was meant to be, but before you throw me to the sharks I will tell you why I made the statement….

In 2005 after the Steelers beat the Colts in the Divisional playoff game, they knew immediately that they were coming to Denver to play the Broncos in the AFC Championship the next week. Camera crews were in the Steelers lockeroom after the Colts game. The team was celebrating and Coach Cowher said some words, then Bettis spoke when Porter opened his mouth. He said and I quote "They shot me in Denver" Porter was deliberately using the fact that he was shot in Denver as a motivator to beat the Broncos.

Sorry if you didn’t like the comment, but I never liked the guy, and everytime I hear his name I remember it. I can still see that scene in my mind and hear his voice. Yes he played in college here, and I’m sure he has nothing against the City of Denver as a whole, but he’s the one that used getting shot as a motivator to winning a football game, what else do you call it, because that was what he implied in the lockeroom. Consequently it worked and Pittburgh went on to win the Superbowl.

Somebody else thought I was out of line and insensitive because of Darrent Williams. This has nothing to do with Williams, and I’m not making light of him getting shot. Porter was with some guys at a bar and after they came out, somebody open fired on their group; One man was killed which is tragic. Nobody knows the reason and it is believed to be random, but why? As far as liking Porter if he played on the Broncos…ha! No way, and I would hate it if he did. BMarsh has a mouth too, and it seems that all the trash talking this year has been between the ones that are in trouble off the field more than on it: Marshall, Porter, Pacman

"If Denver beats us, I'll walk back to Detroit" - Alex Karras

by Denver Diehard on Nov 6, 2008 5:15 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Joey Porter got shot cuz he has a big mouth.

Michael Fabiano really knows nothing about football outside of regression analysis and stat extrapolation. If it doesn’t have to do with fantasy football, his opinion is worthless.

by kwool79 on Nov 3, 2008 1:48 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

That's totally moronic

Porter was in downtown denver, minding his own business, when some jerk up the street fired off a round or two. Porter was an innocent bystander. You’re the one with a big mouth.

If there's gonna be a collison, you better start it. Larry Csonka.

by bradley on Nov 3, 2008 2:51 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs

not all smack

he talks alot of trash, but he is not all smack. he leads the league in sacks and has a chance to break the single season record. could end up being Defensive POY too.

by smirish on Nov 3, 2008 11:33 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I have to disagree

Porter is a CSU alum, and I doubt he “hates” Denver, if anything I think he sees Denver as a home away from home. And let’s face it, Porter may have abig mouth but he backs it up almost all of the time. I don’t disagree with his comment, the Dolphins CB played very well against Marshall and were blanketing him all day. I really could care less what Porter says, it doesn’t change the outcome, basically we got whipped again.

"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum

by Broncoman on Nov 3, 2008 1:51 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Retraction and explanation

“Porter hates Denver because he was shot in Denver”. I did not mean the city of Denver, but should have said the Broncos. It was sarcastic yes, and was meant to be, but before you throw me to the sharks I will tell you why I made the statement….

In 2005 after the Steelers beat the Colts in the Divisional playoff game, they knew immediately that they were coming to Denver to play the Broncos in the AFC Championship the next week. Camera crews were in the Steelers lockeroom after the Colts game. The team was celebrating and Coach Cowher said some words, then Bettis spoke when Porter opened his mouth. He said and I quote “They shot me in Denver” Porter was deliberately using the fact that he was shot in Denver as a motivator to beat the Broncos.

Somebody else thought I was out of line and insensitive because of Darrent Williams. This has nothing to do with Williams, and I’m not making light of him getting shot. Porter was with some guys at a bar and after they came out, somebody open fired on their group. One man was killed which is tragic. Nobody knows the reason and it is believed to be random, but why? As far as liking Porter if he played on the Broncos…ha! No way, and I would hate it if he did. BMarsh has a mouth too, and it seems that all the trash talking this year has been between the ones that are in trouble off the field more than on it: Marshall, Porter, Pacman

"If Denver beats us, I'll walk back to Detroit" - Alex Karras

by Denver Diehard on Nov 5, 2008 11:29 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree with everything BM said, and i like the fact he is stepping up and being a team leader....

Lets face it, our defensive staff are incompetent and Slowik is an idiot. I have to wonder too why we are playing soft zone. I am not defending Slowik or this staff any more.THEY SUCK!
And Cutler needs to be called out. WHO THE F@#K THROWS 3 DUMB ARSE INTERCEPTIONS LIKE THTA? The kid is very caught up in his own self importance and his milly mouthed, pumpkin headed excuses after the game are getting old.
GO BM, THIS TEAM AND ESPECIALLY THE STAFF NEED CALLING OUT. EVERY FAN, EXPERT AND COMMENTATOR SEES IT EXCEPT FOR THE GENIUSES THAT RUNOUR BRONCOS.
I am not making any more excuses for this team. We need some changes fast in staffing.
Lots of people wont agree, but we need to start thinking about the next couple of seasons NOW and make those changes.
This could be a VERY talented team, but it is teetering of all imploding that could effect this team for the coming 3-5 years.
I am stoked to see Jarvis Moss play better though.
Cutler needs to be lit up by this staff and not let of the hook for essentially costing this team 3 games by playing brain dead.
Joey Porter is an idiot….
I know I am going to be panned by many fans here, but this team is turning into a disorgazed, chaotic mess, and we could end up going 6-10. Bowlen needs to step and step in now, and SHanny needs to get rid of his jobs for the boys mentality, and go out and get some REAL co-ordinators and coaches.
Thanks, and great thread TSG.

by boydy2669 on Nov 3, 2008 6:34 AM MST reply actions 0 recs

Porter maybe an idiot...

But he is probably telling the truth. He didn’t say anything that was off base. Marshall has to get the ball to keep playing. The Dolphins secondary did nothing special. The run is forgotten. Slowik plays off of everyone. EVERYONE. Cutler feels he has to win the game every throw. Leads to mistake after mistake. It seems that Shanny has everyone playing not to lose instead of playing to win.

Let’s top that with a short week, no D.J., and a second half of the season with only 3 home games. All Ready!

by precisiontint on Nov 3, 2008 8:15 AM MST reply actions 0 recs

Porter is absolutely right....

He’s a mouthy jerk, but he didn’t go in the tank as Ryan Clady mostly dominated him yesterday in pass protection. He kept working, and when he finally got matched up on Graham, he got kind of a garbage sack for his effort. That’s the mark of a professional, to stay in the game and keep working, and Brandon and Jay both would do well to follow that example.

I include Jay here, because his body language has sucked lately. This is a very young team, and its best players need to learn to handle adversity better. The differences between the 3-1 start and the 1-3 second quarter of the season have been health and how we deal with adversity. The second thing needs to improve NOW.

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Nov 3, 2008 8:29 AM MST reply actions 0 recs

Turnovers were the key

Again

Playoff bound!

by 53guys on Nov 3, 2008 8:32 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

BMarsh said what he feels...

I can find no fault in that. I’d be more worried if he just kept saying “oh well”.

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

by Tim Lynch on Nov 3, 2008 8:54 AM MST reply actions 0 recs

Some players have a right to be frustrated

and I am glad that Marshall is forcing this teams attitude into the spotlight. We can argue that he shouldn’t have been as specific as he was, but frankly, being vague didn’t help much when Champ said the exact same things, so Marshall is trying something different.

If we come into this with the preconceived notion that any thing a WR says that is negative means he’s a TO, then we miss the point that everything Marshall is saying is true. When he is in single coverage and Cutler airmails him, they have to have a meeting of the minds, because that isn’t going to happen every game.

We have two big problems on offense, one that we can’t do anything about and one that we can: we can’t get a running game going, because we are out of guys to run the ball. Out. None. There is nothing we can do about that except wait and play it by ear every week. But a close second problem is that Cutler is still developing, and games are being completely put into his hands without the benefit of a balanced offense. The only thing going for him is that he isn’t taking the hits, though as he has seen, his mistakes can sometimes hurt (see Vince Wilfork vs. Patriots). Problem #1 is leading to problem #2, and the worse #1 gets, the worse #2 gets and conversely the worse #6 looks. But we don’t have to wait for RBs to get healthy to work on problem #2. Cutler needs to settle down, and be a calming influence on this offense right now. There are times for intensity and times to be a salve. He doesn’t seem to get that his mistakes are unacceptable. Cutler’s whole comment after the game was one big “oh well.” I hope he siad that for our sake, and that he is actually cognizant of the problem.

Bottom line is that there is a trickle down effect from Shanny here, and it needs to be stopped right now. Everything in Broncosland right now is smoke and mirrors, so much so that now even the players are turned around backwards trying to figure out what is going on. This team needs to start being honest with itself, or SD is going to win this division witha 7-9 record.

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 3, 2008 10:24 AM MST reply actions 0 recs

Clady

TedBartlett905 above nailed a point that hasn’t been given enough press with all the other issues. I was once again just impressed with Clady. He’s been a huge bright spot on a team the really needs one.

Other bright spots were Royal and Hills. Ditto Paymuh – despite a silly scheme once again. Interesting that three of our four best lights were rookies. I wonder if Shanahan will give a green light to the Godman’s to draft us a defense in the off season?

Fullbacks Rule

by Emmett Smith on Nov 3, 2008 11:29 AM MST reply actions 0 recs

Clady

was awesome. He looks like he’s barely moving, but he stopped Porter everytime.

If there's gonna be a collison, you better start it. Larry Csonka.

by bradley on Nov 3, 2008 11:32 AM MST reply actions 0 recs

Thanks styg

for a very well-though out comment. I think we must simply recognize that this is not a very talented football team. There are some bright spots on both sides of the ball but we are not playing as a cohesive unit.

I am tired of the admonition that this is a young team and they are developing. They are highly compensated professionals and I expect preparation and execution. Most of these men have at least four years of college experience and are in at least their third year of professional ball. I am tired of Marshall’s mouth and Cutler’s indifference to serious errors. I am also tired of the lack of identity this team has. We supposedly went toward a team of character (I disagree about liking Porter) but I see very litle of the hard-nosed, dedicated, professional athletes we expect as our Denver Broncos.

That’s ok with me. We’re playing for wins, not media publicity....HT 9/11/08

by firstfan on Nov 3, 2008 11:35 AM MST reply actions 0 recs

I hope they all listen . . .

I hope Cutler listens to Marshall.
I hope Slowik & co. listen to Marshall.
I hope Marshall listens to Porter.

Amid all the talk about too much talk, they were all spot on.

Cutler needs to work hard on recognizing defenses and checking down.
Slowik needs to put his corners up on the receivers.
Marshall needs to develop a thicker skin and understand this is professional ball.

Never argue with a fool, lest you take on his appearance. - my daddy

by AZDynamics on Nov 3, 2008 3:16 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

Communications is key and there is obviously a gap somewhere.

Cutler and Marshall both need to calm down. The CB that was covering Marshall did a good job of jamming him on the line and getting him out of his game. The ball however needs to be in Marshall’s hands more often that it was Sunday because he makes things happen. I know he was covered well on many plays, yet only thrown to 3 times in one half is way too low.

When a bad call happens Cutler needs to forget about it, despite that it was a horrible call, and play smart. That INT after that bogus PI call showed Culter was pissed and trying to make something happen, however he failed to see there was a guy on a short out route that was totally wide open.

"It doesn't dissipate" ~ Mike Shanahan

Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 4

by weazel on Nov 3, 2008 7:10 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Well-stated AZ

thanks

That’s ok with me. We’re playing for wins, not media publicity....HT 9/11/08

by firstfan on Nov 3, 2008 9:07 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Our stars should keep it out of the press

Both Cutler and Marshall should pipe down in public. Cutler has sucked ever since that Elway comment… Marshall? TOTALLY correct in his words TOTAL idiot for speaking them to the press.

by Whidbey Bronco on Nov 3, 2008 8:30 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

What he had to say was not that bad

He really didn’t have anything to say that will rip apart the locker room. That pass interference call was absolutely nothing. He didn’t even extend his arm to push off the DB. Terrible call that could have been a game changer. But he is right on what was happening with Paymah. When they throw the same pattern all game and we don’t adjust as a defense that is just bad coaching. But the fact is that the Broncos are a lot better than how they are playing right now. Every game that we have lost has been the teams lack of execution, and it needs to come back. The team can play a lot better and hope that they can pull it together. Go Broncos and just start playing the way they played in the beginning of the season. The team has an easy schedule down the road and the chargers are not going to finish over .500. The team can win the division out right and even has a chance to come together and play with anybody in the league.

by telliemrich on Nov 3, 2008 11:03 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

Good point on defensive midgame adjustments

have haunted this team for a long time. I think Slowik can learn how to adjust, but he needs to learn from someone…. and that someone isn’t out at Dove Valley. I don’t think Shanahan knows how to adjust a defense, so it keeps coming back to whether or not we need to supplement or replace Slowik. After last game I have a good feeling about Slo’s defense, so I lean towards supplementing his knowledge somehow, like bringing in a Guru like Gibbs was with the oline, a veteran defensive coach with a lot of enthusiasm and a dedication to the Dline, who has an understanding of how to adjust a defense who can be at Slowik’s side helping him out if needed.

probably a pipe dream… the guy probably doesn’t exist.

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by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 4, 2008 12:15 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I have said it before.....

I will say it again.Slowik has proven 4 times he is not up to the task of being DC. This is painfully obvious. I would bring in Mike Nolan and move SLowik back to DB Coach.
The problem is that Shanny will NEVER bring in someone of Nolan’s calibre as it will usurp some of his authority. Shanny is a great coach, but a meglomaniac, and likes to have staff he can control.
Bowlen needs to step up, hire a GM like Pioli, and sort out this mess.
Shanny needs only to be HC…..thats it!

by boydy2669 on Nov 4, 2008 5:12 AM MST reply actions 0 recs