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After 3/4 of the season, some context

Here at MHR, we know the answer to the question everybody is asking today.  How can a team that gets hammered by the Raiders at home, go into Giants Stadium and dominate the Jets? And, more importantly, should such a team be taken seriously?

And by the way, what the hell is going on with this season?  What does this whole body of work mean?

Star-divide

First things first, this is a team which has next to no margin for error.  That's the answer which we all know.  When our team makes less errors than the other team, our team wins, and we're all happy.  Mike Shanahan is maybe the greatest coach in NFL history at playing with a 10-point lead.  The commitment to repeated execution of the same plays and techniques really pays off when you're in that position.  All you have to do is focus on what you're supposed to do, and let the clock be your ally. 

This team is not built to play from behind yet.  As some of our young offensive players get more experience, we'll see improved success on that front.  The real reason we struggle in trailing situations is that we have an undersized defensive unit, which can get overpowered by a team which is committed to running the ball and killing the clock.

When our team can establish a lead, and not turn the ball over, our team will almost always win.  So, the answer is, this team does need to be taken seriously by all opponents.  It's clear that scoring isn't a problem, and I am convinced that our team can beat ANY team in the NFL, when the flow of the game goes in a favorable way.

And by the way, I've been on record a couple times this season calling the Jets a .500-caliber team, and I continue to stand by that.  They'll win more than 8 games, but they're not a real contender.

As for what's the story with this season, some thoughts....

1.  When I read Moneyball, the idea which I was most struck by is the thought that the only goal for the A's is to get into the playoffs every year, and give themselves a chance to win a championship.  In that context, we're heading for an unquestionably successful season.

2.  When assessing the defense, it's important to see the improvement that has been made since early in the season.  The injuries to key players has disguised that somewhat, but the improvement is definitely there. 

3.  I was talking on the phone today with my brother, and he was lamenting Thomas Jones having 100 yards in the first half.  Almost all of it was on 2 runs, so the number doesn't bother me that much.  I'd rather give up runs of 59 and 29 yards on a couple of mistakes, and then hold the guy to 8 more carries for 15 yards, than I would to give up 10 carries of 11 yards each.  This is the story of our season as a run defense.  It's mostly solid, particularly up the middle, but it's been prone to a few big plays in the C-gaps and on cutbacks.  Being mostly solid gives you something to improve upon for the future, and it's not like the whole thing is broken.

4.  This team can pass-protect better than any other team in the NFL, and for that reason, it can carve up the defenses of a Pittsburgh or Indianapolis in the playoffs.  Trust me, the Jets ordinarily get after QBs, and they barely sniffed Jay today.

5.  Peyton Hillis may turn out to be best used as a tandem tailback in the future.  He sure is a talented young player, and I consider him to definitely be a key part of this team's young offensive core going forward.

6.  I hope the Dre Bly haters have been watching lately, because he has been playing outstanding football for about a month now.  The only real blemish is the long-ball to Lelie last week, and on that play, his safety help (Roderick Rogers, we hardly knew you) didn't get there.  Lavernues Coles had 2 catches for 2 yards today, while matching up almost exclusively against Dre.  With the impending return of Champ Bailey, Dre will soon be seeing more throws again, but his play has been huge in winning 3 out of 4 games this quarter.

7.  Josh Barrett becomes yet another rookie to play well and contribute today.  He made a particularly terrific tackle on a kickoff return by Leon Washington today.

8.  The emergence of Wesley Woodyard and Spencer Larsen as good NFL players has been a benefit of the injuries on defense.  I think both have good futures in this League.  Honestly, I greatly prefer Woodyard to Boss Bailey on the strongside, and Larsen is at least better than Webster, though I think his ultimate role is to be a top backup and special teams guy.

Finally, an imagination exercise.  This will be fun... ready, begin.

You're a football team.  After three-quarters of the season, the reviews by the pundits (as always, meant in a negative way) aren't very positive about your team, despite your posession of a winning record, and a likely playoff future.  Your QB is young, and still pretty inconsistent.  You've lost a couple of blowouts, but have been winning more close games than not.  You have a long-tenured coach who has come under more fire than ever before in his career.  You've had quite a few injuries, particularly at running back, linebacker, and cornerback, but guys keep stepping up.  Interestingly, you win a lot of tough games on the road, which is pretty abnormal.  It's almost like you play up to the level of good teams, and then lay an egg to somebody you should beat easily.  Finally, the best thing going for you is that every rookie you drafted made the team, and is a contributor, which portends well for even more success in the future.  People are starting to say you had the best draft in the NFL.

Does this scenario sound familiar?  It should.  Ladies and gentleman, your 2008 Super Bowl Champion New York Giants.

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TB....

Awesome post and reccomended.
This team reminds me a lot of the Giants except with more offensive power.
On any given day, we can beat every team in the NFL….I have no doubt. No one will want to face the Broncos in the play offs.

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.

by boydy2669 on Nov 30, 2008 9:36 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Great Post!!!!!!

AND REC’D. i have a feeling this team will be a force in the playoffs

"You play to win the game!"- Herm Edwards

by broncoboy on Nov 30, 2008 9:40 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Interesting footnote:

Denver is ranked 12th in the NFL by tiebreak. We have beaten all of the teams ahead of us in the rankings (TB 5th, ATL 6th, NYJs 10th). We are inconsistent, but when we play well we beat the best the NFL has thrown at us.

Clever conclusion at the end of the post!

I like your point #6. When we play a second safety in coverage, Bly is able to do his thing. I also like point #1. The goal is to get to the playoffs, where a new season begins and anyone has a chance. I don’t see a deep playoff run, but I wouldn’t count this team out either.

Good stuff!

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 30, 2008 9:46 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I should have said...

“…beaten all of the teams ahead of us in the rankings that we have played”.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 30, 2008 9:47 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Word

I agree on so many levels. Shanny is a great front runner. It allows us to put the pedal to the metal and turns the opposition into a one dimensional team.

Our defense is certainly showing improvements. I can live with a few big runs against us. It happens. A little too much for my liking, but at least it’s not killing us yet.

I was pleased with today’s efforts. Dre had a nice pick. The dood has been getting toasted for much of his time here, so it’s nice to see him do well.

Where would we be without Eddie Royal? The guy is amazing!

Also, Moneyball was a great book!

by Mr. Irrelevant on Nov 30, 2008 10:31 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

as an Oakland A's fan

Moneyball was the greatest book ive ever read and i can’t wait for the movie
Brad pitt is billy beane haha i love it

The quest is the Highway to the Danger Zone-Kenny loggins

by TommyTSlice on Dec 1, 2008 11:42 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

As for the two good runs...

…one of those was almost more of a fluke. Yeah, it was good awareness on the RB’s part, but not likely to happen very often.

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Dec 2, 2008 12:59 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

about all rookies contributing

lichtenger(or whatever his name is) not to bash him but i have only seen him play as a FB in the goaline situations. Which i guess is contributing but rarely.

by robbo650 on Nov 30, 2008 10:43 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

who would you replace on the front line with him?

He’s a rookie…give him a chance after weigman is gone.

by Sneaky Sean on Dec 1, 2008 8:24 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Lichtensteiger and Polumbus will be good....

Like all linemen they need time!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.

by boydy2669 on Dec 1, 2008 8:47 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

not a prediction

but don’t be surprised if Hamilton slides over to take weigmann’s spot and Licks Ten Tigers moves into the LG spot, with an eye towards replacing Hamilton at C later on…

Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.

by Jeremy Bolander on Dec 1, 2008 2:40 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Hope he lives up to that clever nickname :)

"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen

by spock on Dec 3, 2008 2:30 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Very good points...

As much as I dislike Bly (college bias…), I have to give him credit – he played exceptionally well today. (You know he had a great game if I’m saying he played well – haha).

I like the comparison with the Giants, but they did one major thing we can’t do – get pressure with their front four. That is why they won the Super Bowl, and that is why I don’t think we will manage more than one playoff win, if any. There were several plays today where Favre had all day to throw… The D deserves credit because they had very good coverage on most of those plays, but if you allow a playoff-caliber team all day to throw the ball, eventually someone will get open…

I definitely agree, however, that the progress of the defense is very encouraging. We are definitely a “bend but don’t break” squad, and our offense will win a lot of games as long as we can prevent touchdowns.

by hai17 on Nov 30, 2008 11:01 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

If we can get past the first round

with a win at home, then we have a chance to do something special with the rest of our games probably on the road. I hate to say it, but our record is helping our Superbowl hopes if we can just get past the first round.

by Sneaky Sean on Dec 1, 2008 8:27 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, and the Jets also had a very good run offense.

Didn’t they run for like 200 yards against the Titans?

So if we win our round 1 playoff game, we will then go on the road to Titans or Steelers – two very similar teams, with very good run defenses, good running teams, but not real explosive offensive teams. This can actually favor us, even beyond being the underdog with “no chance of winning.”

Our defense is starting to prove it can stop running teams, and force them to win through the air. And our offense has proved, when we don’t turn the ball over, we can score 28-34 on anyone. So if we play well, I like our chances against any of the AFC’s best. Getting by Indy in round one may be the toughest game of all. But I would so much love to beat Peyton in the playoffs for once.

by The Gun Young on Dec 1, 2008 5:29 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Great post TB

The game today just shows you that we can beat anybody. Point #4 says it all. Also, weren’t the Jets supposed to be a good run defensive team? This shows that we have the talent ot hang with the top teams as long as we stay focused and play hard for 60 minutes. We did it in Atlanta two weeks ago.

All your points hit everything right on. All we need to do is bring this attitude to our home games.

Guru has stated he sees us in the 3rd year of a 5-year rebuilding program. Looking at that and the way we played today just shows you that with a couple of key spots filled we can without a doubt be a top contender in the years to come.

FOCUS…….Just stay focused.

"It doesn't dissipate" ~ Mike Shanahan

Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 6

by weazel on Nov 30, 2008 11:27 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Great analysis, Ted

It struck me this week that late in preseason I was talking to someone about the fact that I had great hopes for our young guys, and that with so many this young we would have some “Are you kidding? #@!*!!” moments, but that the young nucleus might also give us a fighting chance against anyone. I had no idea that the moment was prescient. We may lose some groaners, but we can be truly special very soon.

He doesn’t know anything but 100 percent
- Shanahan on Larsen

by Emmett Smith on Dec 1, 2008 1:23 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Awesome Ted

First off, I am totally agreed on NYJ as a .500 team, though I would specifically say it was closer to .540 or so. :) I will know specifically after i finish my evaluation for this week. It is definitely dropped from last week though… On to your points:

1. As HT has stated elsewhere, the real season is only a quarter of a season away. Strategy-wise, this isn’t “shock and awe” with its emphasis on cultivating the psychological soil of our opponents (resulting in “pre-soiling”, if you will ;)) but more of an “attrition strategy”, with its emphasis on, among other things, possession of critical strongholds, specifically the division lead. The AFC West divison lead may not mean much to the analysts or even most of the other teams in the league, but it sure as hell is a sound strategy for us. Any good season strategy will allow the team that practices it and executes it well, to be at the table talking turkey when the REAL negotiations about “winners” begins.

2. I agree, though I would like to point out that one of our biggest flaws has been and is still our tackling. Losing the players we did on defense allowed us to see Larsen and Woodyard, both of whom are excellent, fundamentally sound tacklers who make you feel it when you get hit. Webster and McCree are poor anglers and tacklers, and DJ plays poorly beside Nate. Today Bell played excellent as a coverage corner, but needed work in run support. Winborn is as fundamentally unsound as Webster, but like Webster, he seems to make key plays just when you are ready to get on his case. I really don’t like the feeling of the old guard getting back together with the exception of getting Camp and DJ back in the mix with the youngsters. But, to be fair, gap control will be an issue either way, and can only get fixed with focus. The tackling problems are deeper and, in my opinion, about 80% unfixable. (In other words, some guys are NEVER going to be good tacklers, if they haven’t got it figured out by now.)

3. Agree 100% on the preference, and I think it is a testament to improved Dline play, and an indication of where the talent gaps are, most noticeably at safety. We still owe it to the safety to put them in a position to do their job, but the number of big plays given up so far this year is a huge indictment of the talent at the position. They are not THAT far out of position…

4. Agreed. Some teams should fear our offense more than others, and PIT is a surprising occupant of that role. I think we match up well with a number of NFC teams as well, though that isn’t quite as important. Yet.

5. Hillis has the attitude and enthusiasm to go with that role, and above all he has the TALENT. What I like most about getting the rest of the backfield healthy around him is that we will be able to get back to playing him more like a halfback, and splitting him out into TE routes. He spent almost all of this game flaring out from a tailback spot, and rarely is Cutler going to settle for that lowly checkdown. Hillis needs to be showcased more in the seam and running routes. His hands are TOO GOOD to go to waste!

6. I think Bly has become a leader for this defense in many ways since Champ went out. I never considered it to be an adjustment for him, but it couldn’t have been easy going from the DB leader in Detroit to the second-cheese behind Champ, with the additional pressure of being constantly targeted out of attrition. I will look more for it specifically when I rewatch the game, but Bly really seemed to be able to track the ball against the Jets. He looked better going after the ball on defense than Marshall did on offense….

7. I am 50-50 on Barrett’s play, but 100% on how he looks out there. He seemed confident, and he really is a fast, strong specimen. He whiffed on a special teams tackle to go with his great play that you mentioned, and his angles weren’t quite right, but he is a good tackler, and right now, that is something. I don’t know if he has earned anything more than a specialist role on the defense right now, but I do know that he played well enough not to get sent packing.

8. If the return of DJ means that Woodyard has to move, I agree that it should be to SAM and not to the bench. Having said that, I am fully prepared to be patient. i think he willneed to earn that job in training camp next year, and I hope that he only has to beat out Winborn to get it. Hopefully they just restructure and cut Boss, because if they don’t, Woodyard will be on the bench waiting for Boss to get hurt. Which, come to think of it, isn’t necessarily the worst thing that could happen. Depth is nice.

Lasstly, you almost had me on the thought experiment. I was reading closely, wondering what you were getting at until I read the part about all the rookies contributing, at which point I knew what you were up to. The statement about the rookies has been practically synonymous with the Giants unexpected playoff run. If there is a significant difference, it may possibly be that we are relying more on rookies as starters, rather than much needed depth, but I am not sure about that…

Great post Ted!

Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.

by Jeremy Bolander on Dec 1, 2008 2:05 AM MST reply actions   4 recs

agreed, terrific post

and as always, a well-informed and insightful response from Styg. as for the Giants comparison, the biggest difference is that even at the Giants’ worst last year, they could always rush the passer. they have had a spectacular D-line for several years now, and that is a major element the Broncos haven’t had since the Super Bowl years (i think). Strahan, Umenyiora, Kiwanuka and Tuck? yikes, i wish we had one lineman with that much talent. someday…

by Douglas A. Lee on Dec 1, 2008 10:42 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd comment!

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Dec 1, 2008 1:31 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Linebacker comment

I can see your hesitation towards the veteran LBs coming back and the young guns looking so good lately, but let me say this: I think the improved LB play recently is not just because of the back-ups stepping up, but because of our defensive coaching getting solid (no more 3-4) and our D-line upping their play. I for one look forward to Webster and DJ getting back in there and blowing some people up.

by sadaraine on Dec 2, 2008 3:29 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey Sadaraine....

I agree we are a better 4-3 team…it is a simpler system for the rookies to learn. My big thing is that Webster SUCKED in both the 3-4 and the 4-3. His occasional “big” play is so outweighed by his lack of gap control and run support and constant need to not read the play and over pursue.
I like his psirit, I like him as a team guy…..but he has been out played by Larsen and Hagans, and he makes this team worse coming back.
DJ….cant WAIT for him to be back.
I so much want to see a DJ, WW Larsen LB corps…..these guys will be solid and make plays and are all great athletes.
Thanks man!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.

by boydy2669 on Dec 2, 2008 6:52 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Hoping

I guess I’m of the thought that Webster will be paying attention to what is happening while he is out and making the most of his situation. I think he can play as solid as anyone if the dline in front of him does their job.

I will agree that his play has been sloppy though. If he’s not our best player, I KNOW Shanny won’t start him. So if he’s on the field, it is because he contributes something.

by sadaraine on Dec 3, 2008 8:45 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree...

Webster returning won’t be the end of the world. I’m actually hoping to see Haggen get the start this week, he looked really good against the Jets. DJ—Mario—Winborn sounds good to me. If DJ liked playing beside Niko, he should love playing beside a fundamentally-strong vet like Haggen.

I also hope Slowik finds a personnel grouping that gets WW on the field. Maybe he can match-up on TEs ala Sam Brandon circa 04-06. If he has safety skills, he should be able to handle it. Plus, if he excels it bodes well for his shot at SAM in 2009.

2009 Backers (pipe dream): DJ-Maualuga-Woody.

"Choose the sword, and you will join me. Choose the ball and you join your mother, in death. You don’t understand my words, but you must choose. So… come boy, choose life or death."

by ButteBronco on Dec 3, 2008 9:46 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Great thoughts as usual...

I love opening analysis of Shanny. Gannon kept repeating, with near exasperation— they keep running the exact same plays out of different formations! That’s textbook Shanny. The offense did the same thing last week with all the deep balls. The game plan called for all the deep balls against OAK’s man defense. People went crazy calling for Bates’ head— what terrible playcalling!! If you want to question Bates’ call to run a gadget play on 4th and one, fine; however, the problems against the faiders were of the gameplan variety. Your fourth point along with the tremendous talent of #6 had a lot to do with that failed gameplan, i’m sure.

Yesterday the gameplan worked to perfection. They spread the defense out all day with at least 3 WRs. They ran to the outside with Scheff and Eddie swing passes, ran up the gut with Peyton, and Cutler tested the secondary down the field relentlessly. This offense lives off the pas, with elite protection, elite WRs, elite TEs, and a near-elite QB. In each win the passing numbers are huge.

I would love a balanced offense, but with our banged-up running backs and our inconsistent defense, we just can’t be that team right now. We must force the issue and stay aggressive in the passing game. We must live by the sword. If Jay plays well, we can beat anyone in the league. If Jay has a bad day, we will lose.

In the epic opening moments of one of the greatest albums of all time, a sample from an old kung-fu movie plays (a shogun speaking to his infant son), “Choose the sword and you will join me, choose the ball and you join your mother (in death). Now come boy, choose life or death…” Choose the sword!

by ButteBronco on Dec 1, 2008 8:13 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

I'm a huge Liquid Swords fan too....

The GZA is one of the all-time great MCs.

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Dec 1, 2008 8:14 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice.

I was hoping there was some WuTang fans around these parts. I’m not a huge rap guy, the Wu’s stuff in the late 1990’s is legendary— especially Liquid Swords (my favorite). As for the GZA, Method Man says it best— “The GZA, he’s just a genious. We form like Voltron and the GZA, he be the head.”

by ButteBronco on Dec 1, 2008 8:51 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

On the other hand...

Kung Fu is Chinese, and Shogun is a Japanese reference. Just sayin’.

: )

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Dec 1, 2008 1:33 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Ignorance on my part...

should have said… “Jidaigeki movie”.

"Choose the sword, and you will join me. Choose the ball and you join your mother, in death. You don’t understand my words, but you must choose. So… come boy, choose life or death."

by ButteBronco on Dec 1, 2008 2:17 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

lol

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Dec 2, 2008 3:43 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Cutler is more elite than anyone on the team.

Without Cutler we would be 4-8 at best – kinda like the dolts.

Even in the games where Cutler threw multiple interceptions, if you plug in an average QB, but one who does not throw those interceptions, we still lose cause our other player’s turnovers, our poor defense, our poor running game. Also, of course, without Culter, our second ranked passing attack, would be ranked like 18th.

by The Gun Young on Dec 1, 2008 5:39 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Great post and rec'd.

I see Hillis as the starter in the backfield, though. Let the other guys compete for the change-of-pace back.

Touchdowns win championships?
Hillis for starter. He wears special thigh pads so his solid brass balls don't give him repeated thigh contusions.

by 53guys on Dec 1, 2008 9:23 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Points
DJ plays poorly beside Nate.

Yes. I’m fairly concerned about that – we’re nearing the playoffs, will not have a 1st round bye (most likely). Returning to the unsound play of Webster, ditto Winborn (although he makes some incredible plays and I like him as a best available option) and then seeing DJ disappear next to Webster is a major flag. We need the tackling of Woodyard, and even Haggan outplayed what I’ve learned to expect from Nate. Larsen or Haggan would be a better way to go IMHO

I would love a balanced offense, but with our banged-up running backs and our inconsistent defense, we just can’t be that team right now.

BB, I rarely disagree with you, but for what it’s worth, one of the keys to Sunday was that we were a more balance offense. I believe that we’ve found our power back, and he’s a solid contributor. The Jets had a pretty good pass rush, which our front 5 nullified, and we kept them back with a solid running game. Hillis is tough, 1st and foremost. As firstfan said in another post, that’s BRONCOS football. Any time you get 129 yards from your tailback, your front 5 is getting the run blocking down (couldn’t believe how Weigmann nullified Kris Jenkins for much of the day) and your back is running over people.
(Note – love the WuTang reference, BB)

Let’s have a contest for the change of pace back and move forward with a much more balanced offense.

He doesn’t know anything but 100 percent
- Shanahan on Larsen

by Emmett Smith on Dec 1, 2008 11:02 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, maybe I went a little far there...

but I have a feeling that Hillis may not be as effective in a different, less spread-out game plan. If we line up in a two back set with Hillis running inside and out, defenses may have more success stopping him. To me, the pass setup the run yesterday. Hillis was running against a defense that was scared of Jay Cutler. I thought Dilfer’s analysis in the fanshot from this morning was great— the Jets played pass defense against our spread attack. Once we spread them out with a single back set and Weigmann, Hamilton, and Kuper sealed Jenkins, Peyton was running over linebackers and safeties. Once that happens, it suppresses pass rush and aids the passing game, and so on, and so on, and the beautiful cycle starts again.

Your right bear, they were indeed balanced yesterday. My point should have been, in order to obtain balance, we need to stay aggressive in the passing game. If Jay’s not having a great day and our pass offense is not applying pressure, our run game will not be as effective. Thus, I still feel we must live by the sword.

It would be nice to have a back that is durable, powerful and fast. If we can get our grubby mits on someone like that in the offseason, Hillis will become the versitile runner and receiver we know he can be (styg’s #5 above is dead on, as usual), and we’ll be a truely balanced and completely unstoppable force on offense. Those guys are tough to come by, but I’m keeping my fingers crossed.

"Choose the sword, and you will join me. Choose the ball and you join your mother, in death. You don’t understand my words, but you must choose. So… come boy, choose life or death."

by ButteBronco on Dec 1, 2008 11:49 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey BB....

I disagreed with Guru last night when he said this offense is predicated on the run. We are not that team anymore, and are much more like the Colts where the run game is now set up with the pass, and not vice versa.
With the spread offense and with greater involvement from the TE’s in the middle of the field naturally loosens up the running lanes, and with a power guy like Hillis, he will pick up big chunks. Once the D line is softened thru the passing game and power running game, sets up the change of pace slasher like a Tatum Bell.
Just my opinion of course, but I think this offense is the bi polar opposite of the incarnation we saw under Dinger and Jake Plummer.
What does this offense remind you of more….our offense under Plummer or the Colts offense?
I would be stoked to knwo what you guys think.
Might be worth a post by someone a little more in tune than me!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.

by boydy2669 on Dec 1, 2008 3:56 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

just like the colts

on both sides of the ball. we had some posts in the preseason regarding this, and the pass setting up the run philosophical change. now we’re at the point where we are getting better run-blocking from our new o-line, but we are pretty scarce on the quality rb’s. next season, we will have excellent balance, and this offense will be unstoppable, basically

hear me, perpetrators of bread crime, your punishment is at hand.
taste my blintzkrieg!

by davecheffy on Dec 1, 2008 8:20 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree boydy,

the contrast between this offense and Plummer’s is striking. Shanny has really let Jay loose. Can you imagine Mike’s reaction if Plummer would have thrown that RZ pick, or even the long, across-his-body-to-the-middle-of-the-field completion to Scheff in the fourth quarter? Shanny and Jake may have went to blows on the sideline over those throws in 2005-6. Mike barely even acknowledges the errors— he expects them. He’s willing to live with the errors and Jay rewards him with awesome throws like the TD to Eddie in the first half.

"Choose the sword, and you will join me. Choose the ball and you join your mother, in death. You don’t understand my words, but you must choose. So… come boy, choose life or death."

by ButteBronco on Dec 2, 2008 7:04 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree we have found our running game now with Hillis.

And once Selvin returns as a change of pace speed back, you will see our 129 yard rushing attack turn into 160 yard rushing attack. Shanny knows this and that is why he is being extra careful about not bringing back Slevin until he is completely healthy. Shanny’s original vision was Torain as the number one power back, with Selvin as change up, and Peyton at FB. But Peyton is playing as well at TB as anyone expected out of Torain. Hiilis is getting better every week, and he gives them what they need most – consistent tough yards to keep teams honest and move the chains.

by The Gun Young on Dec 1, 2008 5:44 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

by the way

The giants had a 3-5 record at home last season

The quest is the Highway to the Danger Zone-Kenny loggins

by TommyTSlice on Dec 1, 2008 11:44 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Ted great post

very well done. You get deep like sea shells and rock these bells….a little “liquid swordz” for ya.

"His incredible impact during the late '60s and early-to-mid-'70s saved the franchise from relocation and helped the Broncos become the marquee organization it is today." Floyd Little's Tales From The Broncos Sideline

by Steve O' on Dec 1, 2008 2:40 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

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