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Denver Broncos @ Cleveland Browns; Through The Years

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It is hard to move on from a game such as the one we witnessed on Sunday, but I also am thankful that we have a short week that forces us to lose the bad taste in our mouths in expectation of redemption on Thursday night.

The obviousness of which game should be displayed here is plain to me, but there is a huge reason why I must choose another.  Just so everyone knows, I would like nothing more than to write about that 1986 AFC Championship game, but alas I already have!  Please check out the link here.  Since I have already written about "The Drive", then perhaps it is time to write about "The Fumble".

Star-divide

One of the greatest games in Bronco history will always be overshadowed by a game that took place almost exactly a year earlier.  By the time the 1987 AFC Championship game came around, people around the country were still whispering about "The Drive".  The coming out party for John Elway had happened a year earlier and the Denver Broncos were media favorites to win it all in 1987.  Elway, coming off his NFL MVP season, had become one of football's best quarterbacks and the Broncos were dominating...in a paper tiger sort of way.

The thing is, the Broncos were not better the year before.  The only difference was confidence and confidence is what led this team to believe they were better than they were.  The Broncos came out and dominated in the first half.  Their defense harassed and hounded Bernie Kosar for much of the first two quarters while John Elway led the offense to three touchdown drives. 

People already began making plans for the Super Bowl.  T-shirts and ball caps were being made.  Bronco parties were turning into victory celebrations.  A 21-3 deficit going into halftime against the Broncos defense of the 80's?  Game over!  The Browns were reeling, but as the Chargers of today found out when they replaced Marty with Norv, Schottenheimer knew how to keep games from being completely lost. 

The Browns would strike first in the third quarter.  Bernie Kosar would connect with Reggie Langhorne for an 18 yard touchdown to bring the Browns to within eleven points.   John Elway would help/hurt his football team on the next series when he threw an 80 yard touchdown pass to Mark Jackson.  This helped the Broncos by increasing the lead 28-10, but it hurt the Broncos because that was to be about the only rest the Broncos defense would get until midway through the fourth quarter.

The Browns would score two more touchdowns to close the gap to 31-24.  It was gut check time for both clubs and the Cleveland Browns struck first.  Scoring on a 4 yard pass from Kosar to Webster Slaughter to tie the game up. 

Then we get to witness one of John Elway's "fake" comeback victories according to a forum linked to a post by one of our good friends at The Phinsider.  Take a look at this garbage for later angst.  So according to their logic, this next drive had no significance to the outcome of the game.  John Elway drove his team methodically down the field, eating up a large chunk of the fourth quarter, when he hit Sammy Winder for a 20 yard touchdown pass to take a 38-31 lead late.

Now enter Earnest Byner into the discussion.  The dude had a monster day.  He was the only reason Cleveland even had a chance to tie the game up at the end.  Bernie Kosar and the Browns rode his back down the length of the football field to what certainly looked like a tying touchdown and a second straight overtime finish in the AFC Championship game.  Then it happened.  The leaping Bronco, the deafening cheer of the crowd and the exhausted, beaten man laying at the one yard line.  It pains me, in some small way, to know that Byner would be remember for that play and that play alone.  Then the fan in my kicks in and I grin at our good fortune.  I will say this, I'd take an Earnest Byner on my football team any day.

Before I got my "History of the Denver Broncos" DVD a year or two ago, I remembered this game better than "The Drive".  Now for some reason, it seems to be a distant memory that I can only hope to catch on NFL Network someday.  One of the greatest AFC Championship games every played and what a rivalry these two teams had in the 80's.  Never mind that the Broncos would go on to lose another Super Bowl that year, the NFC outclassed us in every way back then.  I take comfort in knowing that the Denver Broncos were the class of the AFC in that decade even if it meant heartache after each AFC Title.

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And in the meantime...

Whatever your political leanings, get out and VOTE. That is the only political remark I will ever make on a sports blog. (If the powers that be feel this is out of line…please delete!!!)

by Squeaky on Nov 4, 2008 9:14 AM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So long as you vote against every rotten scumbag incumbent. :P

just playing…just remember to always, and I mean ALWAYS vote for the LESSER of the two evils. Never, ever vote your conscience. lmao Gotta love this country.

But if you are like me this year…blow it all off and watch the History of the Broncos DVD and check tomorrow to see who the next President is. :)

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

by Zappa on Nov 4, 2008 9:20 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Heh.

I care way too much to do that…. :)

See, if there were sports on today, that’d be okay. But since there’s not…going crazy here.

Oh, I have a football question: what do the experts here think of Brady Quinn and his sudden rise to starter? Bad or good idea by the admin? I read what they had to say on Dawgs By Nature, but I’m curious as to what you all think.

by Squeaky on Nov 4, 2008 9:32 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think it is a perfect moment to start him.

Going against one of the worst defenses in the league…at home…the Broncos giving it away more than the busiest prostitute in the world. To me this is the perfect time.

As for caring too much…I too care way to much, which is why I am so frustrated with the same old crap.

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

by Zappa on Nov 4, 2008 9:34 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here's the deal with Quinn....

This has to be coming from the top, and when I say the top, I mean Randy Lerner, the owner. 90 minutes before announcing the move, Romeo Crennel said this about making a change at QB,

“No, I haven’t really [considered it],” he said. “I haven’t had a chance to talk to the coaches or anything. With a short week, I told them to go ahead and get started on Denver. They haven’t even looked at this game yet.”

He had his coaches preparing for Denver on Monday, and the only reason he looked at the Baltimore tape was because he had to talk to the media about the game.

Then, as I said, 90 minutes later, Derek Anderson sends a text message to Browns C Hank Fraley about the move. The team is shocked, as Fraley points out,

That was the coaches’ decision," he said. "Maybe they feel like he [Quinn] will bring a spark. It’s tough because Derek is a great guy, a team leader and a captain. We just haven’t been playing well around him. It’s a shock to everybody on this team. It’s their decision and we’re going to have to live with it.

So now on to why I think this came from on high. Phil Savage is the GM of the Browns. Before taking that job he was the scouting coordinator under Ozzie Newsome in Baltimore. While there, the Ravens drafted a QB in the 6th round of the 2005 draft out of Oregon State based on Savage’s recommendation. His name – Derek Anderson. When Savage took the job with Cleveland he grabbed Anderson after the Ravens released him.

Anderson is Savage’s guy. Think about it. Charlie Frye won the starting QB job in 2007, and lasted exactly 1 half of football before being benched. Anderson takes over, and while he played well for about 8-10 games the last 10-12 have been awful. Dude can’t complete 50% of his passes, yest Crennel remains loyal to the end after the QB he hand picked to be his starter in ’07 gets a 1/2???

Crennel couldn’t make the move because of Savage. Savage wasn’t going to bench HIS GUY, so Lerner steps in because he hears the boos and sees dollar signs with the poster boy in the game. The Browns #1 jersey seller?? #10. Quinn is going to be the longterm answer in Cleveland, even if it means Romeo and Phil aren’t there to see it.

-TSG

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by John Bena (aka TheSportsGuru) on Nov 4, 2008 9:44 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Interesting

Do you think Quinn has the physical abilities/talent to be the long term answer? I know there was the whole problem on draft day and since then, I don’t even know if he’s had enough playing time to determine if he’s got what it takes to be a NFL QB. What do you think?

by Squeaky on Nov 4, 2008 9:56 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

reminds me of our situation in 2006...

Plummer wasn’t a bad QB just has Anderson isn’t a bad QB…it’s just they have something better in Quinn much as we have something better in Cutler. The difference is, we were 7-4 and they are 3-5. lol

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

by Zappa on Nov 4, 2008 10:04 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Personally...

I never liked him at Notre Dame. I think he was a product of solid coaching. He doesn’t have the arm to make what I call “traditional NFL throws”, the 15 yard out for instance, and he isn’t accurate enough to the sideline on the intermediate stuff. His strength? Anything down the middle.

Can the other stuff come? Yes. But there was no doubt that Quinn should never have been considered at #3 overall, like many Browns fans wanted, and we saw what Miami thought of him at #9. He’s an Ohio guy(Columbus) and looks good in a uniform. We’ll soon find out if he can play and lead….

-TSG

SBNation's Denver Broncos Blogger
MileHighReport

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by John Bena (aka TheSportsGuru) on Nov 4, 2008 10:06 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks Guru

Anyone mind if I spend the rest of the day thinking up questions for you to answer so I don’t have to think about what else is going on? (haha…j/k. Kind of)

I think I picked the WORST possible day to finish my essay, due tomorrow at nine.

by Squeaky on Nov 4, 2008 10:54 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL....

No Problem….I am in the same boat…

-TSG

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MileHighReport

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by John Bena (aka TheSportsGuru) on Nov 4, 2008 10:58 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'll be watching

the Dirty Jobs Marathon!

"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game

"I love your analysis of our team. Its kinda like watching a spider monkey trying to figure out a jar of peanuts.. you know whats going on.. you know whats in there, but to actually figure it out, is just a bit beyond your mental skills..."
- Bronco Dano

by DesertBroncoFan on Nov 4, 2008 10:21 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh, you mean the news coverage on the election?

you are just using a metaphor for the all night coverage of the election…I know it!

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

by Zappa on Nov 4, 2008 10:23 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Love the Dolphin link.
the only reasons people put Elway and Favre in the conversation of being better than Marino is because of those damn Super Bowl rings

Because that totally doesn’t mean anything at all, does it? Winning in the playoffs? Lol. Although I will say, Dan was a great NFL QB. I don’t normally like Top 5 lists because they take away from the accomplishments when put next to each other (I believe Rck Reilly once said something like this: "Forget about who’s best, or top 5, or top 10. Let’s just appreciate them for being great players.) But, what the hell? I’ll do one anyway. If I made my top 5, it would look like this:
1. Elway
2. Terry Bradshaw
3. Marino
4. Montana
5. Fran Tarkenton

Oh, and that Browns game was pretty sweet too. I want to see another comeback this week, just for old times’ sake.

13-3 next year! Baby!

by papigrande on Nov 4, 2008 9:43 AM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yea, that Dolphins link was garbage!

My top 5:

1. Elway (homer)
2. Unitas
3. Otto Graham
4. Montana
5. Manning (yes he is already here)

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

by Zappa on Nov 4, 2008 10:06 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

dont forget this

Elway has 2 rings and one more regular season win than Marino in ONE LESS SEASON. Enuff said. I would rather have a QB who wins rather one that has 400 TDs 60,000+ yards and one SB appearance.
1. Elway
2. Young
3. Montana
4. Brady (unpopular I know)
5. Peyton

Another thing, I am not sure why there is so much love for Bradshaw, Overrated. In 1970 his rookie season he threw 6 td’s and 24 picks. His rating was 30.4 By comparison Ryan Leaf’s rookie rating was 39. Bradshaw won 2 rings based solely off of Rocky/Franco and the steel curtain. Anyone tells you any different is full of you know what. Now for the people that like, fine I am not trying to change their minds

somethings wrong, Trying to conquer these fears i thought were gone. And it's been so long, I'm dying to live in a world i don't belong

by broncfanstuckinsd on Nov 4, 2008 11:46 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree--in fact this is one of my hot buttons

Never in the history of the NFL did a team have a six year run of having virtually every lucking break go there way. Take away a couple lucky catches and one long pass and they’re down to one SB ring.

The best defense is a good offense!
I hope.

by Mike Clark on Nov 4, 2008 12:42 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Im still not sure

Franco caught the ball on the immacualte reception. Granted they lost the next week to an undefeated Miami team but still. I have heard numerous times that there was no way the officials were going to overturn the reception. I am not too upset over it because it screwed the faders but still I have my doubts

somethings wrong, Trying to conquer these fears i thought were gone. And it's been so long, I'm dying to live in a world i don't belong

by broncfanstuckinsd on Nov 4, 2008 12:53 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We are NOT fader fans, therefore, he caught the BALL!

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

by Zappa on Nov 4, 2008 1:02 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

heh

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

by Zappa on Nov 4, 2008 1:02 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hate to disagree but IMO Unitas was the best

1. Unitas
2. Elway
3. Brady
4. Otto Graham
5. Favre

The reason I would rank Unitas over Elway was because he changed the position and he callled his own plays, nothing against Elway, but I have to give it up for Johnny U, I think he really was the Jim Brown for QB. Otto is underated also, that guy was pretty amazing. Elway was probably the best athlete, but Unitas I would rate as the best QB (IMO).

"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum

by Broncoman on Nov 4, 2008 4:36 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Graham

was awesome. I would rank him over Johnny U based on the fact that from 1946-1955 the Browns were the title game every year (46-49 in the AAFC and 50-55 in the NFL title game). IMO he was more of a major influence in the position than Unitas, but Unitas had the luxury of being the QB for the 58 title game and was part of the televisionation of the NFL. Unitas was a part of 2 of the biggest events in the pre-1970s football the 1958 OT championship game and Super Bowl III (he played in the 2nd half)
But for me I just am not a fan, so my list is totally subjective

somethings wrong, Trying to conquer these fears i thought were gone. And it's been so long, I'm dying to live in a world i don't belong

by broncfanstuckinsd on Nov 4, 2008 5:37 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Past Interference

I was on another blog called Past Interference, which is ran by a Dolphin fan as well.(Zappa, you know what I am talking about because I saw you had a comment on there criticizing the guy who was ripping on Elway). I don’t know why those Fin fans have to bag on John. Is it because they are jealous he won 2 SB’s and Marino didn’t even get one? I don’t criticize Marino for that. I blame their lousy drafting in the mid-to-late 80’s and picks like Lorenzo Hampton, John Bosa, Eric Kumerow, and Sammie “fumblefingers” Smith. No D + No Running Game = No Rings.

by PABroncofan on Nov 4, 2008 10:18 AM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Amen to that.

I don’t recall posting a comment there, but I tend to leave comments all over the etherworld. I hope it was profound! lol

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

by Zappa on Nov 4, 2008 10:20 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good post Zappa--lot of wild memories involving Cleveland.

As for my faith I voted ‘win’ simply because I am not able to think (in advance) that Denver will lose.

The best defense is a good offense!
I hope.

by Mike Clark on Nov 4, 2008 10:49 AM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am, but I switched to Denver....again. lol

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

by Zappa on Nov 4, 2008 11:35 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The 89 game was great too

Though lopsided in favor of Denver and Elway!

I’ll always remember that roll-out bomb to Michael Young… probably b/c I still watch my 89 Broncos VCR tape every now and then… ;)

by tunga77 on Nov 4, 2008 10:52 AM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

89 was the only year....

That I really believe the Broncos had a better “team”. That, in and of itself, is another example of Elway’s greatness….

-TSG

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by John Bena (aka TheSportsGuru) on Nov 4, 2008 10:59 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ironically, that was the year of our worst defeat in team history. sigh....

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

by Zappa on Nov 4, 2008 11:36 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whats amazing obout 1989

Is that the score was 24-21 going into the 4th qtr, That game had the highest scoring 3rd qtr in championship game history. But behinds Elways 385 passing it wasnt close in the end. 37-21. That was probably Denvers best Reeves led SB team. They had the running of Bobby Humphries a dect passing attack with the Amigoes and Young. A stout defense for 18 of 19 games that year. Awesome safeties with Smith and Atwarter. Meck was still a force. But the were exposed by SF. Too bad. I agree with Guru that Cleveland was probably a better team all except for one position where Denver was clearly superior. After that game I was talking big, but I got my tail handed to me in 2 weeks. The bad thing is being on a ship homeported in Japan, being single I could not go to a home, because I lived on the ship

somethings wrong, Trying to conquer these fears i thought were gone. And it's been so long, I'm dying to live in a world i don't belong

by broncfanstuckinsd on Nov 4, 2008 11:51 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

16-5

That is Denvers record against the Browns all-time. The very first ever meeting between the Broncos and the Browns in Cleveland was on 10/24/1971. The game pitted the 4-1 Browns against the 1-3-1 Broncos. It would not be even close as the Browns were thoroughly dominated by the Broncos 27-0. The first shout out in cleveland since 1950. The Browns had 105 yards on total offense. Meanwhile the greatest RB not in the hall of shame Floyd Little had 113 yards on 25 carries as he would win the NFL rushing title that season. Don Horn would complete 8/16 passes and 1 td for a mind numbing 85 yards, but as a team the Broncos ran for a then record of 280 yards on the ground. It would be Lou Sabans last win as the HC of the Denver Broncos. The Browns would win the AFC Central that year but lose in the divisonal round to the defending Champion Colts 20-3. As for the Broncos they would not tast victory again unil 11/28/71 @ the Steelers as it was Jerry Smiths first game as HC. Denver vs the Browns would start out well for the Browns as from 1970-174 they were 3-1 vs. the Broncos, but starting in 1975 Denver has won14 of the past 16 games and 3-0 in the playoffs.
Go BRONCOS!!!!!!!!!

somethings wrong, Trying to conquer these fears i thought were gone. And it's been so long, I'm dying to live in a world i don't belong

by broncfanstuckinsd on Nov 4, 2008 12:13 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

three of our five losses happened in the 60's. They have been our b**ches ever since. :)

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

by Zappa on Nov 4, 2008 1:03 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I voted win, but

the thing that bothers me is our record aginst them. It is too good to hold out forever and it just seems like so far, this has been an upstting sort of season on a lot of fronts!

by metalman5050 on Nov 5, 2008 5:04 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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