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Al Davis Has Completely Lost It, Wants To Cut DeAngelo Hall and Javon Walker

As soon as I thing that I have heard of everything in regards to Al Davis and how he runs the Raiders, something like this pops up --

Angered by the Oakland Raiders' 2-6 start, team owner Al Davis asked his front office staff to explore the possibility of releasing several players, including cornerback DeAngelo Hall, according to multiple sources.

The Raiders are expected to release Hall on Wednesday, sources told ESPN's Michael Smith.

The process started on Monday, a day after the Raiders' embarrassing 24-0 loss to the Atlanta Falcons. Davis, looking ahead to rest of the season and to 2009, asked his staff to study a list of potential players who could be let go before the end of the week or after the season, sources said.

One source said the list included more than a dozen names. The Raiders' front-office staff studied the cap consequences of releasing high-priced veteran players. He also wanted his staff to see if other teams might claim any of these players on waivers.

The team was planning on making the move to release Hall on Tuesday before holding off, according to NFL.com. The Raiders have paid Hall $8 million for eight games, and also gave Atlanta a second-round pick for his services.

NFL.com reported the move to waive him now helps the Raiders avoid paying Hall $16 million worth of injury-guaranteed bonuses in his contract.

Hall has 48 tackles and three interceptions for the Raiders, including a season-high eight tackles last week against the Falcons.

Hall isn't the only Raider under consideration for release. Wide receiver Javon Walker received an $11 million signing bonus and a $1 million base salary this year, but he has only 13 catches in his first seven games with the Raiders. The other players on Davis' list are unknown.

At his Monday press conference, interim Raiders coach Tom Cable said he was thinking of making more changes in the starting lineup. Since taking over for Lane Kiffin, Cable has benched wide receiver Ronald Curry and safety Michael Huff. If Davis gets his way, some changes might be permanent.

It is now complete meltdown mode in Oakland.  So much so that had I not disowned the Raiders as a real rival to the Broncos, and as an NFL franchise at all, I might feel bad for the fans.

If you are a Raiders fan, or know one, tell them to abandon ship NOW.  We will welcome you over here with open arms!

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There should be a lottery for

Krazy Al’s next moves. The odds of doing something rational might be worse than Powerball odds, but what the heck!

by Arctic Bronco on Nov 4, 2008 8:14 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

HEY, I LOVE AL DAVIS!

because he is the owner of the faiders, LOL.

I would hate him if he owned the Broncos!

by metalman5050 on Nov 5, 2008 5:11 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

lol

Crazy Al…

Its nice to see when our Broncos are looking so bad, we can always look down and see those damn Raiders way down there lol.

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by abaca15 on Nov 4, 2008 8:19 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Is it just me...

Or should we pick up Hall if we can make it work in the cap? It seems players who get pissed at one franchise in this rivalry often end up with the other. And Lord knows he’d be better than Paymah.

by SethGrandpa on Nov 4, 2008 8:29 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I would definately bring Hall in, especially since Champ is hurt. He has a lot of talent. It’s just not showing in Oakland. I wonder why?

Top ten draft pick bound!

by 53guys on Nov 5, 2008 6:14 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I would love it as well...

I mean, come on — Hall > Bly, right?

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by John Bena on Nov 5, 2008 6:44 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

No...

but Hall is > Paymah! lmao

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

by Tim Lynch on Nov 5, 2008 8:07 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

why?

Hall couldnt cover anyone with a bucket of paint so far this season. Granted he may be as good as bly, but IMO Hall is a cancer. At least Bly is a team player. I would rather struggle with Bly and have a good locker room than have Hall and a bad locker rookm

somethings wrong, Trying to conquer these fears i thought were gone. And it's been so long, I'm dying to live in a world i don't belong

by broncfanstuckinsd on Nov 5, 2008 11:37 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

ROFL Copter is landing in Oakland

Cannons... fire them.

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by Craig T on Nov 4, 2008 8:44 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

classic!

Crazy Al strikes again!

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

by Tim Lynch on Nov 4, 2008 8:56 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Now that's funny

I just can’t believe that Al Davis thinks he knows what he is doing. I should be surprised, yet I am not.

"It doesn't dissipate" ~ Mike Shanahan

Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 4

by weazel on Nov 5, 2008 1:44 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I think now

he realizes his mistake with those signings. Thats why he is trying to clean house. But he still doesn’t realize that he is a big part of the problem.

by Raider76 on Nov 5, 2008 12:10 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

The thing is

he is going to take a hit on the CAP with Hall and Walker ( if and when they are released ).

"It doesn't dissipate" ~ Mike Shanahan

Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 4

by weazel on Nov 5, 2008 1:01 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Right.

The best way out of the mess is to keep them, and try to make a trade in the offseason (or keep them, trade away the high picks for future picks, and try to save as much money as possible). Either way, the team is heading for financial disaster. But cutting these guys in the first year of their contracts is salary cap suicide.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 5, 2008 1:22 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

There is no one that would trade for either of these guys with their contracts

So basically the Raiders are SOL, they are in a finacial mess either way. Couldn’t make me any happier.

"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum

by Broncoman on Nov 5, 2008 3:13 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Not really.

You get those guys, and only are responsible for the base salary. You don’t have to pay any of the bonuses (which is sizable).

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 6, 2008 6:39 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually...

Hall’s deal isn’t that cap unfriendly. He was paid $8 million dollars for playing 8 games. His salary was only $1 million, so he’d cost about $470k for the rest of this year. The big kicker is the injury guarantee – $16.5 million – that Hall would be paid should he get seriously injured.

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by John Bena on Nov 5, 2008 5:26 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, they make out on that one

however now they are short a corner and lost two draft picks…….nice.

I don’t think they will be quite lucky should they get rid of Walker though. If they do then Shanny should call Davis and say “I told you so.”

"It doesn't dissipate" ~ Mike Shanahan

Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 4

by weazel on Nov 5, 2008 5:34 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I saw that one

I could stop laughing.

Those bang cartoons are just too freakin hilarious.

"It doesn't dissipate" ~ Mike Shanahan

Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 4

by weazel on Nov 5, 2008 9:39 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Meant to say couldn't stop laughing

"It doesn't dissipate" ~ Mike Shanahan

Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 4

by weazel on Nov 5, 2008 9:40 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Roflcopter

goes SOI SOI SOI SOI

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Nov 5, 2008 3:20 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I would take Hall to return kicks, that's about it.

"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum

by Broncoman on Nov 5, 2008 12:12 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Naw...I'll take Royal over Hall any day.

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

by Tim Lynch on Nov 5, 2008 8:07 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Hall is a cancer

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by broncfanstuckinsd on Nov 5, 2008 11:37 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

hall and walker

no. and no.

hear me, perpetrators of bread crime, your punishment is at hand.
taste my blintzkrieg!

by davecheffy on Nov 4, 2008 10:04 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

honestly i wouldnt mind hall

for the right price

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by TommyTSlice on Nov 4, 2008 10:48 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I think we should look at Hall.

He is young and talented. Champ wouldnt put up with any of his attitude and maybe that would be a good thing for Hall. He is as good a cover corner as Bly and is a much better tackler. He would do alot for us to make up the slack until Champ is back and maybe even take the starting job from Bly. I hope we make this happen.

by Papamag on Nov 4, 2008 10:55 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

How Delightful

Believe it or not I have not given up on the Broncos, but let’s be clear – they’re a thoroughly average team right now, if that.

But as someone mentioned, it is always good to know that there’s no way possible Denver can finish any worse than second place in the AFC West under any circumstances.

Thanks Al, for giving us all in Denver something to enjoy and mock. By the way, you’d better start thinking how you’re going to get out of paying Tom Cable what you owe him after you run him out of town.

by TheMastermind on Nov 4, 2008 10:57 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I would take Hall for the rest of this year only.

  He has a $1 million base salary (and maybe some incentives). The Broncos could cut him after the season without taking a cap hit.

Of course the reason that Al Davis would wait to cut Hall is to make sure that he will not not have cleared waivers before the Broncos have to set their lineup for the Browns game on Thursday.

by MattR on Nov 5, 2008 12:14 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

That sounds like the best option to me

Use him for the rest of this year (especially against the faders), see how he works out, see if he’s any better than what we saw against Royal with Cheese and if nothing improves, drop him at the end of the year.

"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game

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by DesertBroncoFan on Nov 5, 2008 9:12 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I was at the Raiders @ Baltimore game...

…and watched a thouroughly defeated wife half-heartedly cheer for the Raiders. I even heard her go so far as to say, “It’s stuff like this that makes me want to be a Denver fan.” She’s closer now than she’s ever been (that’s what she said).

When I think of the Raiders organization, I think of the Star Ship Enterprise bridge with sparks flying, chairs falling over, the red-shirted Ensign dying in agony, Spock sitting calmly, and Scotty screaming in the background, “I’M GIVIN’ ’ER ALL I GOT ’APTAIN!!!!”

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by nickt84 on Nov 5, 2008 3:50 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

I wrote about getting Hall back in December.

Here were my thoughts back then.

Here’s the deal. Folks will argue about Hall, but he’s done well for the raider’s (as you can read in Guru’s excerpt), and he remains a much, much better than average CB. Here are the plusses and minuses as I see them:

Positives:

He’s very good
He has a score to settle (especially against oakland)
He’s young enough to offset the upcoming Bailey / Bly contract nightmares

Negatives:

Until we get a pass rush and 2 safeties out of the box, even Bailey would look average
There will be a bidding war for Hall’s services

Injury prone Walker (and attitude problems) would be a definite no.

~~~~~

What I love about this scenario is that, once again Al Davis has proven to the world that he spends too much money and destroys his team in the process. I wrote a couple of posts awhile back about the salary cap hell that Al was moving towards, and there are always several oakland fans that want to argue the point. Well even Al is conceeding his foolishness now.

The best part? Al will get a salary cap hit for cutting these guys in their first years. In other words, he is going to be paying these guys hefty sums after they’re gone.

These aren’t even bad business decisions. They are the moves of a man who is clearly mentaly ill (no sarcasm intended). I wonder if it will reach a point where the NFL will have to use franchise powers to remove him as an owner for the sake of the team?

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 5, 2008 7:05 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

dont you think

his neagative influence should be considered?
Look how much better the Atlanta locker room is now. He quit on the faders. What makes anyone think he wont if he comes to Denver. Granted is has skillz, but in all honestly is the damage he could do inside the locker room more important that what little he could provide on the field?

somethings wrong, Trying to conquer these fears i thought were gone. And it's been so long, I'm dying to live in a world i don't belong

by broncfanstuckinsd on Nov 5, 2008 11:40 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Winning cures all.

Look how much of a team player Randy Moss was when he went to the Pats.

by Raider76 on Nov 5, 2008 12:36 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I dont think Denver is going to go 8-0 down the stretch.

Amazing how good of a teammate Moss is when the Pats are winning. He was an ingrate in Minnesota, also

somethings wrong, Trying to conquer these fears i thought were gone. And it's been so long, I'm dying to live in a world i don't belong

by broncfanstuckinsd on Nov 5, 2008 1:21 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

A lot of attitude depends on...

…where a person is. If Hall has personal issues, we shouldn’t take him. But plenty of reasonable, young players would havea hard time having a good attitude in places like oakland (which is an asylum of sorts) and ATL, where the former coach screwed the team over in a myriad of ways.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 5, 2008 1:26 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Dont sign him at all

I dont think denver will take a chance on him. He still has a 16 million injury guarantee. With the way denver defensive players are dropping I would not take that chance with him,

somethings wrong, Trying to conquer these fears i thought were gone. And it's been so long, I'm dying to live in a world i don't belong

by broncfanstuckinsd on Nov 5, 2008 1:31 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

The attitude thing

I’d be concerned about what Orangeblood said: his nickname at V. Tech was Meangelo Hall.
Let’s go along without him.

War is behavior with its roots in the primal sea: eat whatever you touch, or it will eat you. John Fowles.

by bradley on Nov 5, 2008 1:35 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I say if there is limited risk, then why not take a shot

If he continues his act in Denver, then send him his walking papers, no big deal. As long as we don’t pick up his contract and can release him without any ramafications to our cap space, then I say let’s at least see if he wants to change his ways and attitude.

"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum

by Broncoman on Nov 5, 2008 3:16 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly

after getting completly embarrassed during the Bronco game Hall has been playing pretty good (still not worth the amount of money paid), up until the Falcon’s game where he got burned several times. I think he wanted to play well but after that touchdown we lost him and he was done for the day. He could be a great pickup for you guys because you have a stability. Until we get that with our coaching staff we will be lucky to be mediocre. Hall has talent and can excell in the right situation but his problem was that he played with a great cornerback. Nnamdi like Champ barely see’s balls thrown his way so Hall was exposed alot more.

by Raider76 on Nov 5, 2008 12:35 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I think I kinda like the idea

His nickname at Va. Tech was/is MEangelo Hall. He definitely has a bad attitude. That was obvious during the first game of the year when Eddie was toasting him all game. And I am always weary off signing guys like that. But I think this may be a good idea if we could pull it off. He is young. He is really, really fast. He plays the corner position really well for the most part. It really would be sweet to have a corner threesome of Bailey, Bly, and Hall. That would rival Brown, Samuel, and Sheppard in Philly. I know what you are thinking…“it doesn’t matter how good our corners are if we can’t rush the passer”. I totally agree. Don’t look now, but our pass rush is pretty dog gone good. I just looked it up and couldn’t believe what I saw. We have 20 sacks? Good for 9th in the league? Did I read that right? Someone correct me if I’m wrong. I’m digressing, my bad. So I think it would be good to pick up Meangelo.

I don't believe we can win every game, just the next one. - Lou Holtz
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose.-Bill Gates

by orangeblood on Nov 5, 2008 7:39 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Sacks are great...

But more important is how often we actually pressure the QB. I would rather have consistent pressure than have any sacks at all.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 5, 2008 8:30 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Do they have stats for that? I'd like to see those stats.

I don't believe we can win every game, just the next one. - Lou Holtz
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose.-Bill Gates

by orangeblood on Nov 5, 2008 1:09 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I looked on nfl.com and couldn’t find anything. I guess it would be really hard to keep such a stat.

I don't believe we can win every game, just the next one. - Lou Holtz
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose.-Bill Gates

by orangeblood on Nov 5, 2008 1:13 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Teams keep the stat...

…but I don’t know if it is an official stat. Probably not. Things like “pressures”, “hits on the QB”, and “disruptions” are useful tools for the defense to have, in addition to “sacks”.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 5, 2008 1:28 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

btw

I want no part of Javon Walker

I don't believe we can win every game, just the next one. - Lou Holtz
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose.-Bill Gates

by orangeblood on Nov 5, 2008 7:45 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

I think we're unanimous on that point.

Walker = No.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 5, 2008 8:28 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Walker:

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13-3 next year! Baby!

by papigrande on Nov 5, 2008 9:09 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm Weazel and I approve this message

"It doesn't dissipate" ~ Mike Shanahan

Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 4

by weazel on Nov 5, 2008 11:53 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

What about Huff at safety

Wasn’t he a former first round pick? He can’t be any worse than what we have.

I should clarify, though, that at this point he has not been mentioned as a possible cut, just that the Raiders coaches submitted a list of players to Al that could be cut. So I’m thinking, they keep benching this guy, would his name actually be off the list?

by CalgaryFan on Nov 5, 2008 12:32 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

But here again...

…Does it matter who we get if we misuse them? No safety is going to look good in our “one in the box” set-up. If we built a true 46 defense, that would be different. But we aren’t running a 46, and the safeties (and CBs) are paying the price.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 5, 2008 1:30 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

When...

When does any one think we could see a decision on this? I guarntee somebody is going to pick him up. His attitude should have a factor but only if it is so bad he can’t get over himself. Almost all players are going to have some kind of attitude other wise they have no spark to them. But can they and will they be a team player? That is the question.

by ThorpeBroncosfan on Nov 5, 2008 12:40 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Frankly...

….I don’t think the Broncos would bite.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 5, 2008 1:30 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Rotoworld...

…says DeAngelo Hall has been waived by the Raiders.

War is behavior with its roots in the primal sea: eat whatever you touch, or it will eat you. John Fowles.

by bradley on Nov 5, 2008 2:44 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Just heard it on ESPN

The interesting thing is that Oakland asked him if he would consider restructuring his contract and when he said no, they released him.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3684396

"It doesn't dissipate" ~ Mike Shanahan

Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 4

by weazel on Nov 5, 2008 5:30 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Al Davis

Learn how to spell or use spellcheck before you start talking about someone.

by wartstew on Nov 5, 2008 5:41 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Hey look!

Al Davis visits our site, and that’s the best he can do!

(We don’t criticize folks for spelling here. If you want to be the spelling police, do it elsewhere.)

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 6, 2008 6:47 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

All hail grammar Nazi!

lol. At this point, spelling should be the least of the raiders’ problems.

13-3 next year! Baby!

by papigrande on Nov 6, 2008 4:23 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Hall

Is an un disiplined emotional player remember when he tried to hurt eddie royal
  with the late hit out of bounds. and the other nonsense he pulled .Dont need him.

by broncosfaninphilly on Nov 5, 2008 7:03 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

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