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Zone Blocking question

Hi MHR,

I'm the managing editor of Tomahawk Nation, the Florida State wing of SBnation.

The Noles are averging well over 200 rushing yards per game despite having the youngest (no starters over 19 years old) and one of the lightest offensive lines in college football.  We are fully immersed in the zone scheme with the light, athletic linemen. 

When I think zone scheme with light linemen, I think Denver Broncos.  I'm hoping that someone here would be willing to do a mini Q&A this week. 

We are facing BC Saturday Night at 8 Eastern on ESPN.  They feature 2 defensive tackles that go 6'4 325 and 6'4 345.  Those are big NFL DT's, but they are monsters in College. 

In thinking about this challenge I thought about those Baltimore Raven teams with Sirigusa and Sam Adams.  Would anyone care to describe how the Broncos did against this group or any similar team that featured any huge defentive tackles?  What adjustments, if any, did/ does the Denver offense make when facing 2 slow big huge DT's within their zone scheme?  Does this personnel set cause the zone scheme trouble?

If it is of any help, BC's DE's and LB's are very slow. 

Thanks in advance,

FSUncensored

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It's often dependent upon how the D-Linemen play..

The main idea of the scheme is that you want to get the linemen pursuing laterally, and use their momentum against them. Also, you need to be good at cut-blocking on the backside, to open up cut-back lanes. (Note: A proper cut-block is aimed at the thighs of the man being blocked, NOT his knees. Most football writers don’t understand this.)

What often gives a zone scheme trouble is when the D-linemen set their mind to occupying the offensive linemen, and preventing them from moving laterally, like the scheme dictates. Really, the Broncos have often struggled to run the ball against 3-4 schemes with large linemen. The bright side, though, is that if defensive linemen are programmed not to pursue, you can get a lot done with play action and bootleg stuff. It gets to be a matter of picking your poison.

The key to success of the zone scheme in running the ball, is getting blockers to the second level, and hitting linebackers with good timing. If you can do that, and you can get the big DTs moving laterally and/or cut them to the ground frequently, you can gash a defense repeatedly.

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Nov 8, 2008 8:00 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

We have Rick Trickett coaching the OLine, and he is widely considered to be the best zone scheme coach in college football.

Basically the Alex Gibbs of the College game. He was the West Virginia OLine coach for the past Pat White years.

I appreciate the thoughts TedBartlett.

We have had 15 runs of 15+ yards in the last 3 games. Our 2nd level blocking is excellent, but I do worry about their DLinemen holding us. College refs aren’t very good at catching that. For reference, none of our linemen have a 40in+ waist. They are very athletic, which also helps with the college screen rules (get downfield much before the ball is thrown). Thankyou.

by FSUncensored on Nov 8, 2008 8:19 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I would have to agree

Part of a zone scheme is forcing the defense to maintain their responsibility, the trouble with bigger DT or NT is not being able to disengage or get movement on the lineman. When we played Baltimore they were very good at holding our lineman and allowing Ray Lewis to run free and make plays, it comes down to technique, usally what will happen is the C and G will double team a bigger lineman and get movement, then one or both will disengage and attack the second level, thereby allowing a hole or lane for the RB, either on the front side if the lineman doesn’t move or on the backside if there is over pursuit. The RB is still expected to make a good cut and go and make one man miss. So to answer your question, FSU needs to force BC to play the entire fied and maintain their repsonsibilities, if they can cut or get movement on the bigger DT, then they should be fine, if they can’t get to the LB or the edge, then that would favor BC.

"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum

by Broncoman on Nov 8, 2008 8:10 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Broncoman.

I do worry about their holding, since most college refs don’t pay attention to that. I’ll try to somehow get the coaches to notify the conference.

I hope my question didn’t make me seem like a dumbass; it’s just awful rare to see DT’s that size in college. Proportionally, that’d be like 2 guys at 360 each in the NFL.

I appreciate your help.

by FSUncensored on Nov 8, 2008 8:26 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

My take is

Lighter more athletic linemen that move in unison, like a dance number. They use proper angles to compensate for the size difference and all pull one way or the other. The back side of the play/line will then try to “cut” or take the defensive player to the ground, so if the lane the back is trying to run into is clogged, he can cut back and have daylight.

by Steve O' on Nov 8, 2008 9:53 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Hoosier Teacher is the one that will

give you the X’s and O’s, he has a ton of knowledge.

by Steve O' on Nov 8, 2008 9:55 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Oh, one more question:

does it ever seem like Zone blocking produces more of a “feast or famine” distribution than a man scheme?

by FSUncensored on Nov 8, 2008 10:15 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

HT wrote a great article on Zone Block.

See here for the link. I do not think you will have too much difficulty with the size disadvantage.

That’s ok with me. We’re playing for wins, not media publicity....HT 9/11/08

by firstfan on Nov 8, 2008 11:38 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Good answer FirstFan!

I concur!

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 9, 2008 1:00 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not an expert at all, but:

Shouldn’t it be easy to run bootlegs out of the zone block scheme?

by DjBroncos on Nov 9, 2008 7:48 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Yes.

Because the ZB sets up runs that go one way, then cut back to the center of the field, it supports the bootleg. In the bootleg, the defense is similarly drawn to the wrong direction. Both the run scheme and the pass scheme are misdirection based, and they both can cause the defense to be out of place. I wouldn’t so much say that the bottleg is run out of the ZB, as much as I would say they compliment each other.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 9, 2008 1:03 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

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