What has our offense morphed into?

by boydy2669 on Dec 1, 2008 6:01 PM MST Comment 10 comments

First off, I really like our offense now, and I also liked our offense that we have been so used to seeing out of the Broncos for the past decade, but I posted a reply before that i think our offense is now the Bi Polar opposite of what we saw from the Jake Plummer and Brian Griese led attacks and between these 2 offenses falls the Elway led attack that was based around the ground attack of TD.

I feel like our offense now is a lot more similiar to the Colts attack than it is to what we used to see out of Elway's offense.

Let me explain:

Plummers offense: Based totally around the run game and zone blocking. A one cut and go running game that set up play action for Plummer. Helped him use his mobility out of the pocket to make plays.
Elway's offense: Based on the explosive run game of TD and then complimented by the HOF play of Elways pass game. TD would pound away and Elway could always have a big play up his sleeve. The explosive passing was set up by a consistent run game by (in my opinion) TD's HOF running.
Cutlers offense: Based on the explosive pass game of Jay Cutler and the multiple threats he has in Marshall, Royal, Stokely, Sheffler, Graham. The spread offense helps open the field and spread the defense that allows running lanes to be opened for the running backs. This allows a power back to pick up easy yards and move the chains.

It seems to me that now the pass game is predicated to make our run game hum. We see that a power back like Hillis (who is a beast) fits better in this system than a Young or Hall. Our 2 best backs have been bruisers in Pittman and Hillis.

This is a little different to the success we have seen in the past. We have a lot more multiple threats in the pass game.

What do you guys think? Maybe I am seeing things differently, but this offense seems different from Elways and a lot more like a Manning based offense.

Thoughts?

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I said it before, our offense is most like Coryell's Chargers of the 80's.

Marshall and Royal are like Joyner and Jefferson. Scheffler is like Winslow. Our bull rusher Hillis is like Chucky. And when Selvin comes back as our change of pace back he will be like James.

Cutler though makes our offense unlike any other. He spreads things out and around like Fouts or Peyton, but his athletic ability, roll outs, throwing on the run is most like Favre, but still unlike any QB ever.

by The Gun Young on Dec 1, 2008 7:11 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

Great Post

I think you hit the nail on the head with:

It seems to me that now the pass game is predicated to make our run game hum.

I don’t know what fancy name pundits will put on it but I think you and I see the same thing: typically teams run the ball and play action to set up the pass – the Broncos seem to be passing and play action to set up the run.

Football has become so much more involved than lining up in the I-formation and pounding it up the middle. It is about scheming, finding weaknesses, and exploiting them. And Shanny – who many reporters have cast off to the wayside – does this better than any other head coach IMO.

So rather than mold the team into what his desires are, he took the players and weapons he had and molding the scheme to what forms them.

What has resulted is an offense that when spread with 3 Wideouts and Scheffler in TE poses a lot of match up problems for the opposing defenses. Hillis is a threat out of the backfield and I will look for Shanny / Bates to start calling some screens with some of the best receiver blockers out there in Marshall and Graham and Royal hasn’t been a slouch either.

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by nickt84 on Dec 1, 2008 8:08 PM MST reply actions 1 recs

Thanks Nick...

Much appreciated.

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by boydy2669 on Dec 1, 2008 8:14 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

Rec'd as well

I believe we are actually closer to the Elway offense, at least in the Jets game. Here’s why:

1) West Coast Pass to set up the run (short and intermediate, high percentage passes to the edges, power runs up the gut)

2) Moving away from the spread offense we used earlier in the year

3) More misdirection this game

What I loved about the Jets game was that the offense returned to Broncos football, and the defense stepped up a notch with the young guys in. And yes, I hate the spread offense for Denver!

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by Steve Nichols on Dec 2, 2008 4:20 PM MST reply actions 1 recs

Agreed

I have to say I’m more inclined to agree with HT on this. I do like the spread situationally, but I like our offense more when our running game and short-intermediate passes set up teams in no-win situations where they are exposed. This ends up giving us the big-plays from all the weapons we put on the field.

by sadaraine on Dec 3, 2008 11:13 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Didnt

they get most of the rushing yards out of 3 and 4 WR sets? I didnt see much of the game, cuz I had to switch bars and well Denver won so it was worth it.

My question is this, is it me or has Denvers defense seemed more sound with Webster not in the middle?

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by broncfanstuckinsd on Dec 3, 2008 12:30 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes.

Webster needs to go.

And yes, Denver was running the ball entirely out of single back formations.

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by Steve Nichols on Dec 4, 2008 2:52 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed HT

The Broncos on Sunday looked as balanced as they have been since 98.

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by Steve O' on Dec 2, 2008 4:29 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

Nice post HT...

I like the balance we showed against the Jets too.
I still think that the pass game is used to soften the back field and the middle of the field, making the DB’s play off the line of scrimage. This then only requires our O Line to move the D line sideways and create lanes (even minimal ones) that allow a power runned like Hillis to break the first level and make easy yards. Is it far from the Elway offense? I dont think so, I just think it is the order each phase of our Offense is used. It reminds me very much of the super bowl Colts that followed the same steps, which allowed Addai to pick up easy yards.
Its a cycle: pass sets up run, run sets up pass….
Not much different at all except with what we are using first.
I dont think this game would have been half as successful if our running back was Selvin or Tatum. It required a power guy like Hillis, not a slasher like these guys.
Thanks for all the great comments guys!

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by boydy2669 on Dec 2, 2008 6:41 PM MST reply actions 0 recs