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Denver Broncos @ Carolina Panthers; Predicting Greatness

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I sat down to decide which game to profile for this weeks' Through The Years post when I realized something; no previous match up between these two teams will ever come close to the heroic victory the Broncos will get this very weekend. Let's call this post my Nostradamus moment as I see this weekends game being a trap game for the Panthers and a "Let's find out how good we are game" for the Broncos.

I have been weary of this Bronco team much of the year and nothing from last weeks' victory encouraged me going into this week. Our team floundered early against the Chiefs and had to fight hard the rest of the game to come out with a W. Meanwhile the Panthers are coming off of a dominating performance against a playoff caliber division rival in the Buccaneers. Let me go into detail why I think the Broncos are poised to shock the Panthers back to reality this Sunday.

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The Media

The one thing I have learned about the Denver Broncos this year is that they notice when the media has all but written them off for any particular game.  I have noticed five games in particular where the media didn't give them much of a chance to win.  Those games were against the San Diego Chargers, New Orleans Saints, Cleveland Browns, Atlanta Falcons, and the New York Jets.

If you think back, the Broncos we not written off before the game against the Patriots, Jaguars, or Dolphins.  Most of the disrespect came early in the season and just recently.  And the lack of respect was for the most part deserved since the Broncos had lost four out of five games.  The point is, the media in general is not a believer in the Broncos and have them winning maybe one game out of the last three.

To help add fuel to that fire, the media is already talking about Carolina getting homefield advantage if they beat the Giants in two weeks.  Okay, well they have to beat the Broncos first, but to the media that game has already been decided and we all know how the Broncos respond to games the media has already decided for them.  The Panthers are already getting stroked by nearly every media outlet in the nation covering them and rightly so after their 301 yard rushing performance against one of the league's best defenses.

The media will also speculate just how much rushing yards the great Panther offense will rack up against one of the league's worst defenses.  The media rarely looks at trends or recent history.  Their stats focus solely on the year to date totals.  Unless, that is, they are trying to prove points that go against that model.  Such as pointing towards the supposedly great defense of the Carolina Panthers or when talking about how one dimensional the Broncos offense is.  It's hilarious to watch the experts on television talk about these stats as if they carry any weight in reality.  Though perhaps they have a point, let's look at the year-to-date stats and see just how much merit their words have with statistical reality.

The Stats

First off, we need to find out just how dominated the Broncos defense will be this weekend according to the media and the stats.  I had no idea the Carolina Panthers had such a prolific offense, but then again, the Broncos defense has been much maligned this year.  Let's take a look at the stats and then break it down.

Carolina Panthers Offense Denver Broncos Defense
PPG YDS PASS RUSH PPG YDS PASS RUSH
24.8
10th
336.5
13th
190.5
22nd
146.0
4th
25.8
28th
371.3
28th
231.8
27th
139.5
26th

Not surprisingly, the year-to-date stats match up perfectly to the media's belief that this game is already over and done with.  The problem is, the Broncos defense has been much more stout against the run in the past five weeks than in the previous eight.  They are by no means elite, but it appears the Broncos are currently employing a top twenty, maybe top fifteen run defense.  Rest assured, they will be stacking the line of scrimmage this weekend to stop the Panther's 4th ranked rushing offense.

Another misleading stat is the points per game that the Broncos defense is surrendering.  Over the past five weeks, the Broncos defense has only given up a little over twenty points per game.  Not counting pick sixes and punt returns.  The problem the Broncos face is that the Panthers offense has caught fire over the last month and have averaged almost thirty points per game.  The Broncos defense will need to come up big in the red zone.  They will give up yards to this Panthers offense, but if they give up more field goals than touchdowns then they will have won the battle.

So we already know our defense was going to struggle, what else is new?  They only have to keep the Panthers out of the end zone enough times to give the offense a chance to win the game late.  So how does the Broncos offense match up against the great Panthers defense?  Let's take a look at the stats and then pick apart just how mismatched this Bronco team is supposed to be.

Denver Broncos Offense Carolina Panthers Defense
PPG YDS PASS RUSH PPG YDS PASS RUSH
24.3
11th
393.5
2nd
280.5
3rd
113.0
16th
19.5
8th
318.8
15th
208.0
14th
110.8
17th

Here is where the media starts to overlook things and the ball gets dropped every time the Broncos face a tough team.  The Denver Broncos have one of the most dangerous offenses in the league.  The stats above belie just how great the Broncos offense has been playing over the past five weeks.  The Broncos have averaged over 25 points per game over that span and almost thirty if we throw out that rotten egg they laid against Oakland.  Meanwhile, the vaunted Panthers defense has given up an average of over 30 points per game over the past four games.

The Panthers defense has been shredded over the past four weeks by teams that do not have close to the weapons that the Broncos put on the field offensively.  As long as the Secret Service keeps Cutler's jersey clean, the Panthers defense is going to have a very long day.  Both teams are peaking offensively and both teams are suspect on defense in recent weeks, even with the Broncos improved play they are still a bad defense.  The stats paint a different picture when taken with a grain of salt.

Jay Cutler

My final point lies in Jay Cutler.  We should thank our lucky stars that we have him on our football team.  He isn't a Romo choker, or a Leaf bust.  Cutler is a star and he is developing in front of our eyes.  The dude has, what, six fourth quarter comebacks in 2008!  Are you kidding me?  I've said this many times this year, our team will only go as far as Jay Cutler will take it.  For that reason, I don't see the loss of Peyton Hillis as a major deal for this team.  It was nice to have a reliable guy to hand the ball off too, but the outcome of the games always seem to follow how well Cutler plays.

This is another reason why the Broncos will win on Sunday.  The Panthers defense will be focused on Cutler and stopping the passing game, except they forget one thing.  The Denver Broncos still like to run the ball and I think Cutler will not call off as many run plays as he did this last Sunday.  The result will be some pretty big holes for Tatum Bell or Selvin Young to run through.  The Broncos are a tough team to figure out and I could very well be wrong and the Broncos will throw the ball sixty times on Sunday, but I know that if they do throw the ball that much the outcome will be an embarrassing blow out.

Jay Cutler and the Broncos finally figured out how to overcome adversity early in games and they are hungry to prove to the league they belong in the playoffs.  The media thinks the Broncos will go on auto pilot for the rest of the season, but I refuse to believe that.  I saw hunger in their eyes over the last four out of five weeks and this next game will prove to be their ultimate test.  If they pass they will belong in the playoffs, if they fail, then the doubts will continue to plague them all the way into the 2009 regular season.  Oh and did I mention that Jay Cutler is 3-0 in 2008 against the NFC South, which is a combined 34-18 this year?

My Prediction

This game will go one of two ways.  The Broncos win a close one or they get blown out.  It all comes down to how well they play early on.  Overcoming adversity early against the Chiefs is not the same as overcoming adversity early against the Panthers.  The key will be to keep the game close until the fourth quarter as we all know how well the Broncos have dominated the fourth quarter this year.  6-0 in 2008 with the game on the line in the fourth quarter.  The magic number for the Broncos is 20, as they are 7-0 when they score twenty or more points and just 1-5 when they score less than that.

Denver Broncos 30, Carolina Panthers 26

The Broncos may not get much love from the media, but this team has a fiery spirit and competitive drive to win that will continue to frustrate the experts. GO BRONCOS!

I will be back on the history beat next week, but I felt too strongly about the upcoming game to keep quiet about. This Sunday will be the greatest match up these two teams have ever had. I am curious; how many of you believe as I do? How many think the Broncos are in over their heads and why?

Poll
What is your opinion about this weeks game against the Panthers?
In way over our heads
105 votes
Will lose a close one
74 votes
Another close and hard fought victory
221 votes
Beat the snot out of the Panthers
75 votes

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Nice piece Guru.

There is only One Moment—this moment—the Eternal Moment of Now

by sirsam on Dec 10, 2008 12:43 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Nice piece??? What!

This makes no sense. The Panthers put up 38 pts against the NFL’s 4th best defense, yet the sorry Bronco D is going to hold them to 26? Cutler won’t have time to score 30, because he won’t be on the field. Almost every series the Panthers running game will either score and/or chew up time. That is John Fox football… control the clock, and punch sorry run defenses in the mouth.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Dec 10, 2008 5:20 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Can't keep him off the field if you can't stop him

It works both ways my friend. Shanny is the king of “controll the ball” football.

by sadaraine on Dec 10, 2008 5:25 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

football 101

Its football 101. You control the clock by running the ball, not passing.

Anyways, the Panthers beat the Cardinals and the held Drew Breeze to one TD. Those are the 2 best passing offenses in the NFL.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Dec 10, 2008 9:05 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

West Coast Offense 101

Short, controlled passes take the place of a running game. You’ll see short little flares to our TE’s and Stokley that might as well be handoffs. Besides, look at last week. We had the ball for 37 minutes against the Chiefs and we passed almost twice as often as we ran. We can have an 8 minute drive and pass 16 times on it.

"During MHR Radio we laugh, sing, listen, shed a few tears, and learn all of Papi's dirty secrets." -TSG 12/7/08

by papigrande on Dec 10, 2008 9:17 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Cheifs?

You talkin bout that sorry team you barely beat by 1 TD? Panthers beat them 34-0!

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Dec 10, 2008 9:25 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

The Chiefs are a different team now.

Their record belies their recent competence. In their last seven games, they beat the raiders, looked tough against us, the Bucs and the Jets, and played well but lost against the Saints and the Bills, at least offensively. So yes, I do consider the Chiefs game something for a Broncos fan to be proud of.

"During MHR Radio we laugh, sing, listen, shed a few tears, and learn all of Papi's dirty secrets." -TSG 12/7/08

by papigrande on Dec 10, 2008 9:28 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

So you are saying the Chiefs really sucked when they beat you the first time?

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Dec 11, 2008 9:46 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Read my post...

The Broncos don’t try hard against teams they are expected to beat, but they play very well against teams they are expected to lose too. Just a fair warning.

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Chiefs, Raiders, what’s the difference? It’s hard to see in the basement! - hoosierteacher 12/4/08

by Tim Lynch on Dec 11, 2008 10:19 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Panthers dont play well against opponents they are suppose to beat, either… however they still beat them.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Dec 11, 2008 1:01 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Just like they beat Atlanta....oh wait they got spanked 45-28.

The Broncos go into Atlanta the next week and wins 24-20. hmmmmmmmmmmmm

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Chiefs, Raiders, what’s the difference? It’s hard to see in the basement! - hoosierteacher 12/4/08

by Tim Lynch on Dec 11, 2008 2:40 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

That is exactly how the media sees this game....

Oh you are in for a surprise on Sunday!

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Chiefs, Raiders, what’s the difference? It’s hard to see in the basement! - hoosierteacher 12/4/08

by Tim Lynch on Dec 11, 2008 7:48 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

The media never gives the Panthers love. They just have no other option now, the Cats keep proving them wrong.

But lets be real… The ONLY way the Broncos win is if the Panthers come out flat after coming off of a big win with a short week. But both teams playing their best game, and you don’t have a shot.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Dec 11, 2008 9:50 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

lol. okay, you know all.

The Panthers can score 35 points and still lose….so don’t give me that crap. The Broncos have won games by the following scores:

39-38, 34-32, 16-13, 34-30, and 24-20. None of those teams came out flat. The Broncos also beat teams 41-14, 34-17, and 24-17.

When the BRONCOS come out flat, then things go bad: 33-19, 24-17, 41-7, 26-17, and 31-10. The outcome of this game will be decided one how well the Broncos offense plays…not whether or not the Panthers come out flat or hot.

Tell me, what evidence do you have that proves your point?

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Chiefs, Raiders, what’s the difference? It’s hard to see in the basement! - hoosierteacher 12/4/08

by Tim Lynch on Dec 11, 2008 10:23 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

evidence

Ummm… how about 10-3 vs 8-5… how about a solid running game and passing game vs just a solid passing game… how about the Panthers already beat the leagues 2 best passing offenses?

How about the 3rd best record in the NFL???

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Dec 11, 2008 1:06 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

that's all you got? really?

Any hack in front of a television can read that off to the drones….I have given you stats, emotion, trends, and various other truths to help you realize that the Panthers are in for one hell of a game on Sunday. It will come down to the final minutes of the 4th quarter……

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Chiefs, Raiders, what’s the difference? It’s hard to see in the basement! - hoosierteacher 12/4/08

by Tim Lynch on Dec 11, 2008 2:42 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

nuff said

Only a Troll would say something like “The ONLY way the Broncos win is we come out flat…”.

I expect a good game and I by no means think Carolina has to flub to lose. The Broncos are way too impressive offensively not to win a high-scoring game in a shoot-out manner. We’ll all see on Sunday though.

I know one of us or the other is going to eat his words though. At least we give credit where it is due. Carolia is a great team. That’s why I look forward to the game. It will be a great test of the Broncos.

by sadaraine on Dec 11, 2008 12:06 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Nothing to brag about.

We beat NO and TB too. I give CAR the edge, but I’m not impressed that CAR beat teams that we beat too.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Dec 11, 2008 4:33 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Carolina lost to Atlanta 45-28 in Atlanta....

we beat Atlanta 24-20 IN Atlanta. :)

Adn we played Atlanta in Atlanta around the same time that Carolina played Atlanta in Altanta. :P

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Chiefs, Raiders, what’s the difference? It’s hard to see in the basement! - hoosierteacher 12/4/08

by Tim Lynch on Dec 11, 2008 7:49 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

at home

At home, where you will be playing Carolina, they are 7-0. And when they played ATL the Panthers killed them… ATL didn’t even get in the end zone.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Dec 11, 2008 1:11 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok...Atlanta was undefeated at home too weren't they...before Denver came to town.

The Broncos are road warriors. The Panthers(and their fans apparently) already have this Sunday’s game all wrapped up as a W…time to focus on the Giants!

4-0 against the NFC South.

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Chiefs, Raiders, what’s the difference? It’s hard to see in the basement! - hoosierteacher 12/4/08

by Tim Lynch on Dec 11, 2008 2:43 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

We do not control the clock in 2008 as we have in past years.....

but if the game is close then you should start sweating because the Broncos are 6-1 when the game is close in the fourth quarter. 2-4 when the game is a blowout.

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Chiefs, Raiders, what’s the difference? It’s hard to see in the basement! - hoosierteacher 12/4/08

by Tim Lynch on Dec 11, 2008 7:48 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

oh my southtunnel friend,

you are about to have a very nasty introduction to the Denver Broncos. Shut your eyes and will all be over soon.

GO BRONCOS!!!

by UnarmingMermaid on Dec 10, 2008 5:28 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

That is exactly what the Panthers are "expected" to do.

The Denver Broncos are an enigma wrapped in a perplexity topped with a conundrum.

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Chiefs, Raiders, what’s the difference? It’s hard to see in the basement! - hoosierteacher 12/4/08

by Tim Lynch on Dec 10, 2008 6:21 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah Isn't it beautiful?

You know what the Panthers are going to do, and you still can’t stop it.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Dec 10, 2008 9:15 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

the South is dirty…I’ll give you that.

GO BRONCOS!!!

by UnarmingMermaid on Dec 10, 2008 9:37 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

You'll be saying the same thing about the Broncos offense....

you know we are going to throw the ball, yet you won’t be able to stop it.

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Chiefs, Raiders, what’s the difference? It’s hard to see in the basement! - hoosierteacher 12/4/08

by Tim Lynch on Dec 11, 2008 7:50 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll give you that one

the Panthers pass D has been pretty dismal lately.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Dec 11, 2008 9:54 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Uh, it was Zappa

When the Gods are angry with someone, they give him what he asks for.

Greek Proverb

by bradley on Dec 10, 2008 12:47 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Hey, confusing me with the Guru is compliment enough for me. lol

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Chiefs, Raiders, what’s the difference? It’s hard to see in the basement! - hoosierteacher 12/4/08

by Tim Lynch on Dec 10, 2008 12:50 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Holy...!

My bad Zappa. I saw the graphic and automatically thought it was Guru who posted it. My bad dude. Well, I love the post though! God I feel like an idoit now…

There is only One Moment—this moment—the Eternal Moment of Now

by sirsam on Dec 10, 2008 1:46 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks!

And like I said…its a compliment to be confused with the Guru. ;-) He posts some good stuff.

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Chiefs, Raiders, what’s the difference? It’s hard to see in the basement! - hoosierteacher 12/4/08

by Tim Lynch on Dec 10, 2008 2:02 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Just "some"?

Hope the boss isn’t listening in!

: )

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Dec 11, 2008 4:35 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

lol...he knows what I meant. :P

Ouch HT…throwin’ me under the bus! lol j/k ;-)

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Chiefs, Raiders, what’s the difference? It’s hard to see in the basement! - hoosierteacher 12/4/08

by Tim Lynch on Dec 11, 2008 7:51 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Steve Smith won't be having his way with us.

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Chiefs, Raiders, what’s the difference? It’s hard to see in the basement! - hoosierteacher 12/4/08

by Tim Lynch on Dec 10, 2008 12:50 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

he wont?

If Smitty doesn’t have his way with you, then that means you will be doubling him, which means your run D wont be getting help… and Deangello will be having his way with you.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Dec 10, 2008 5:22 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Chump who?

If you dont double or triple cover him Smith will score.

And by tha way… Never heard of him!

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Dec 10, 2008 9:08 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Then you either haven't been watching football for very long or you're just an idiot.

"During MHR Radio we laugh, sing, listen, shed a few tears, and learn all of Papi's dirty secrets." -TSG 12/7/08

by papigrande on Dec 10, 2008 9:13 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I know whose makin plays this year.

And thats why me and everyone else watching the Highlights are sayin… Champ who? Never heard of him.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Dec 10, 2008 9:19 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

He does have a point, Fishy.

They don’t call it the Nor For Long league for nothin’.

He’s only played in seven games this year, with one interception. If he’s back at 100% this week, we’ll have a healthy respect for his long history of playmaking. If not… we won’t be afraid to toast him test him.

by r3 on Dec 10, 2008 9:50 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Please, Fishy. You're better than this.

Typo correction? C’mon. Don’t stoop to that level.

by r3 on Dec 12, 2008 1:37 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd just think that if you're going to come to a Broncos' site and act like an asshole...

you would try a little harder to not come off like a moron. That’s all.

GO BRONCOS!!!

by UnarmingMermaid on Dec 12, 2008 9:50 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sorry.

It occurs to me that you can’t help acting like a moron. I shouldn’t make fun.

GO BRONCOS!!!

by UnarmingMermaid on Dec 12, 2008 9:53 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, then. Let me correct myself.

You are not better than that. You’re worse.

I didn’t realize that by trying to keep the topic limited to football instead of minor sniping, it would instead act as a bridge for you to call me an asshole and a moron.

I await the evidence you’ve accumulated wherein I act like either of those.

In the meantime, you stay classy.

by r3 on Dec 13, 2008 5:20 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Let's see...

You come on to a Broncos fan site and side with a guy who insults amateur writers, “Nice piece??? What!”. You insult our players. You trash talk us. You call me childish names. Then you insinuate that I’m the one who lacks class.

Get a clue dude!

I’m not going to tolerate you coming to our site and shit talking us and our team. Honestly, if you want to discuss football with us then you’re certainly welcome to. However, “we won’t be afraid to toast him test him.” isn’t discussing football…it’s shit talking. Which, again, I’m not going to tolerate. That is why you a are a ‘moron’ and an ‘asshole’. Don’t be surprised when we don’t react well to you behaving as such.

Get over youself….and take your own advice. “Stay Classy”.

GO BRONCOS!!!

by UnarmingMermaid on Dec 13, 2008 5:56 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

You've obviously got me confused with the trolls.

If trying to pull out a legitimate point from an otherwise rambling and largely incoherent argument is “siding with a guy”, I think you’re overreaching. I know sports conversations are the realm of hyperbole, but you’ve taken it overboard.

You find one moment on this site, and I’ve posted probably thirty times in the past week, where I “shit talk” your players, or the writers on here. Won’t find it. Head over to CSR and find me talking shit there. Won’t find it. I’ve been supremely respectful during my visit here, and been involved in some really nice, in-depth conversations. Your little outburst here would be the exception.

But c’mon, man. You really think I’m saying “Oh yeah, we’re gonna burn Champ Bailey!” Seriously. You can’t see that as humor? Really? You think I’m legitimately trying to put down one of the top two corners in the league? Relax. Really, have a beer. Chill.

I’ve had a great time visiting, and will continue to read anything HT and Zappa write. Smart guys, fun to read. But you’re really leaving a bad taste in my mouth regarding the whole thing.

by r3 on Dec 13, 2008 10:47 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

No point in continuing this exchange.

Just cause you behaved yourself elsewhere doesn’t excuse you from acting like a jackass here.

In case you didn’t notice…my name is not ’Fishy". You were obviously being condescending.

And when you argue on behalf of a troll you are going to be considered guilty by association. I’m surprised that you even need to be told that.

Maybe you should have a few less beers.

GO BRONCOS!!!

by UnarmingMermaid on Dec 13, 2008 11:21 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, you can't get INTs if QBs don't throw your way.

Champ has been injured lately therefore he has only played 7 games. However, when he has played in those 7 games, he has been thrown to like 15-20 times (that’s 2 times a game) and he actually went two straight games and not one single pass came his way. Gee, I wonder why QBs don’t throw to his side of the field very often. Oh wait, it’s because they are afraid he’ll take it.

"It doesn't dissipate" ~ Mike Shanahan

Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 7

by weazel on Dec 10, 2008 10:10 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm officially, figuratively putting my fingers in my ears now.

I don’t like hearing that sort of thing. The last top-flight corner we faced was Nnamdi, and he was straight up Donkey Kong. We threw him, I think, his seventh pass of the year, and he picked it.

That said, he was healthy. My point still stands. If Champ’s not all the way back, he might be in trouble.

by r3 on Dec 12, 2008 1:40 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

You won't be seeing Champ

Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.

by Jeremy Bolander on Dec 12, 2008 11:58 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

You may not like hearing that, but it is true.

"It doesn't dissipate" ~ Mike Shanahan

Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 7

by weazel on Dec 13, 2008 12:25 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Did you notice during the NE game

that Randy Moss (btw, he’s pretty good) didn’t have a pass thrown his way while Champ was on the field? As soon as Champ went down, they were able to get passes to Moss consistently including 2 for TDs.

Now, I’m not saying that Smith is Moss, but to completely shut down NE’s #1 receiver says something about what Champ can do.

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by DesertBroncoFan on Dec 11, 2008 8:15 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

you dont get it

The Panthers are undefeated even with Smith not playing!

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Dec 11, 2008 10:00 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm pretty sure

we were talking about Champ, not Smith. What the rest of your offense can do without Smith isn’t relevant to the current conversation.

To wit, in your own words above:

Chump who?
If you dont double or triple cover him Smith will score.
And by tha way… Never heard of him!

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by DesertBroncoFan on Dec 11, 2008 11:15 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Jake "The Snake" Delhomme going to throw the ball at Champ?

I like that…ballsy. I hope he does it alot!

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by Tim Lynch on Dec 11, 2008 7:51 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Jake The Snake

This is what you guys don’t understand. A winning QB is not about stats and numbers (which by the way doesn’t Cutler lead the NFL in interceptions?).

Jake is 5 – 2 in the playoffs, he has like 20 4th quarter comebacks, he went neck – to – neck with Tom Brady in the Superbowl! He knows how to lead a team, and most importantly how to win.

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by southtunnel on Dec 11, 2008 10:04 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I know. Jake Plummer won over 60% of his games with the Broncos.....

Jay Cutler has SIX 4th quarter comebacks THIS YEAR. lol

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by Tim Lynch on Dec 11, 2008 10:24 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, Favre and Frerotte lead with 15 each

Brees and Cutler are tied at 3rd with 14 and Jake is 6th with 11 (not too far out of it).

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by DesertBroncoFan on Dec 11, 2008 11:19 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

What does "neck-to-neck" even mean?

And we don’t call him Jake “The Snake”. That was your guy.

We call him Jake “The Riverboat Gambler”.

by r3 on Dec 12, 2008 1:44 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Great post Zappa--very well thought out

The best defense is a good defense!
And last week's young players. Yes!

by Mike Clark on Dec 10, 2008 12:48 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks dude.

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by Tim Lynch on Dec 10, 2008 12:50 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Game strategy:

9 in the box.
2 guys on Smith (3 on 3rd on long)

GO BRONCOS!!!

by UnarmingMermaid on Dec 10, 2008 12:49 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

A healthy Champ on Smith would be enough for me.

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Dec 10, 2008 1:02 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Dre Bly has been playing much better since the Bye. Just food for thought...

Whether Champ plays doesn’t concern me much…though I’d sure feel better knowing his experience and smarts were on the field. ;-)

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by Tim Lynch on Dec 10, 2008 1:05 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I kind of agree with you,

but as good as Bly has been playing, I still think a healthy Bailey is even better.

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Dec 10, 2008 1:15 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

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by Tim Lynch on Dec 10, 2008 1:16 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Champ MIGHT be a little rusty

Just a thought.

"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen

by spock on Dec 10, 2008 1:49 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Good point.

And we don’t even know if he’s 100%. I guess we’ll find out come game time.

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Dec 10, 2008 2:23 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

That would leave Bly on Muhsin Muhammad (6'2" - 215)

who at 6’2" – 215 is quite a bit bigger than Dre (5’-10" – 188).

That being said, I still like Champ on Smith. Dre can get help from Barrett if need be.

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"Superman wears Peyton Hillis pajamas" - FlaBronco

by DesertBroncoFan on Dec 10, 2008 1:30 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

from the department of redundancy department

"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game

"Superman wears Peyton Hillis pajamas" - FlaBronco

by DesertBroncoFan on Dec 10, 2008 1:31 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

lol

Maybe we put Champ on Muhammad and Bly on Smith…Bly is faster isn’t he?

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by Tim Lynch on Dec 10, 2008 1:35 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I would never trust Bly on Smith

even though he has been performing much better lately, I just wouldn’t want to risk it.

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"Superman wears Peyton Hillis pajamas" - FlaBronco

by DesertBroncoFan on Dec 10, 2008 1:43 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

If they put Bly in single coverage on Smith even once...

I will spend all of 2009 picketing in front of Dove Valley for a new DC.

GO BRONCOS!!!

by UnarmingMermaid on Dec 10, 2008 3:30 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Champ is one of the fastest players on the team

it is one of the reasons why he is such a threat.

Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.

by Jeremy Bolander on Dec 10, 2008 2:17 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok then, stick his arse on Smith! :P lol

I knew Champ was fast, but for some reason I thought Bly was a bit faster.

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by Tim Lynch on Dec 10, 2008 2:20 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

that's funny...

apparently Muhammad has disappeared from Carolina’s offense after a strong start.

The below SI article (although pretty much completely wrong on it’s CAR v TB prediction) has some pertinent information on the 2-dimension nature of the Panther’s offense.

GO BRONCOS!!!

by UnarmingMermaid on Dec 10, 2008 3:26 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Reading the rundown of Carolina's games

prior to the showdown with Tampa Bay, it’s clear that this was easily their best game of the season. Just as with the Jets, we’re facing a team that can’t possibly be as high as they were the previous week. And we match up well. Unless we’re flat, our o-line negates their pass rush, and Bailey’s can negate Steve Smith. Let’s hope our run defense can ground Williams and Stewart the way they did the Jets’ runners, without, however, giving up big plays. When the other team’s blockers clearly beat our d-line only two or three times those plays shouldn’t automatically be 50-yard runs or TDs. Our weakness at safety is the reason they have been, and I think with Barrett there they’ll more likely be first downs than touchdowns. I feel like a heretic saying it, but I almost hate seeing D.J. come back if it means Woodyard sits. He’s always near the ball. The 2008 draft is beginning to rival 2006 for the number of breakout players who’ve emerged from it.

"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen

by spock on Dec 10, 2008 4:55 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Uplifting observation

Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.

by Jeremy Bolander on Dec 10, 2008 5:01 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Jake almost always looks downfield to Smith first. And they run the ball the majority of the time. 2nd and 3rd receivers dont get many opportunities. But when they do… Muhsin makes big catches in clutch situations.

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by southtunnel on Dec 10, 2008 9:11 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll give you that....

Jake “The Snake” is a big play guy. He wants the 50 yard completion. Just don’t think the Panthers will succeed much this week.

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Chiefs, Raiders, what’s the difference? It’s hard to see in the basement! - hoosierteacher 12/4/08

by Tim Lynch on Dec 11, 2008 7:56 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Chargers and Bears without Smith

of course the Panthers beat the Chargers and Bears without Smith, so it wont really matter how you cover him.

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by southtunnel on Dec 10, 2008 9:13 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

So what?

We beat the Chargers too, without Marshall.

Do you even watch football?

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by Steve Nichols on Dec 11, 2008 4:39 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually...Marshall had 18 catches didn't he? :)

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Chiefs, Raiders, what’s the difference? It’s hard to see in the basement! - hoosierteacher 12/4/08

by Tim Lynch on Dec 11, 2008 7:57 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

chargers, faders, what's the difference

It’s hard to see in the basement!

"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game

"Superman wears Peyton Hillis pajamas" - FlaBronco

by DesertBroncoFan on Dec 11, 2008 8:17 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

The difference is

You are very familiar with the name Steve Smith.

But Marshall… never heard of him.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Dec 11, 2008 10:11 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

You'll know who he is on Monday.

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Chiefs, Raiders, what’s the difference? It’s hard to see in the basement! - hoosierteacher 12/4/08

by Tim Lynch on Dec 11, 2008 10:24 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

You'll also know...

…who Eddie Royal is.

When the Gods are angry with someone, they give him what he asks for.

Greek Proverb

by bradley on Dec 11, 2008 11:44 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly,

If you’re going to pretend like you’ve never heard of Champ Bailey or Brandon Marshall then I would say your football opinion and general knowledge of the game is pretty worthless. You should probably learn something about real football (not the metrosexual europeans in short shorts that you’ve been watching) before you come spewing your nonsense.

GO BRONCOS!!!

by UnarmingMermaid on Dec 11, 2008 1:11 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Furthermore Jack,

I’d assume that since you work for Southtunnel, “the technology development division of Queen Associates, Inc. – QA(i)3 – an integrated business, IT, engineering consulting firm.”, that you are far too old to be trolling opposing teams websites.

I understand that you are most likely a massively obese computer nerd who hasn’t gotten any action (from a female anyway) in a VERY long time…but that’s no reason to come to our site and act like an asshole.

GO BRONCOS!!!

by UnarmingMermaid on Dec 11, 2008 1:20 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah...and in case you're wondering.

Brandon Marshall is the guy with one more TD and 22 more receptions than Steve Smith. He also has one less teammate punched in the face.

And since Smith was suspended for two games because he is a moron…I don’t want to hear your sorry excuses.

I think I’ll take Marshall thanks.

GO BRONCOS!!!

by UnarmingMermaid on Dec 11, 2008 1:56 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

And

if you look in the record books, you’ll see his name under the second most receptions in a game in league history, only 2 behind the loud-mouth, whiner TO.

"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game

"Superman wears Peyton Hillis pajamas" - FlaBronco

by DesertBroncoFan on Dec 11, 2008 2:01 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Then you must not be paying attention to football.

if you have never heard of Brandon Marshall.

"It doesn't dissipate" ~ Mike Shanahan

Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 7

by weazel on Dec 13, 2008 12:33 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

The Broncos basically do the opposite of what anyone thinks they will.

They’ll probably come out and run the ball ten straight times.

GO BRONCOS!!!

by UnarmingMermaid on Dec 10, 2008 1:11 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't go that far. lol

Cutler will audible at least 6 of those 10 running plays into passing plays. ;-)

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by Tim Lynch on Dec 10, 2008 1:16 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Over our Heads

The reasons that the Broncos could be in over their heads are obvious and you wrote about them.

I believe this Bronco team can do great things, but I’m terrified to expect them to do it in any given game.

You say the team will rise and fall with Cutler, but Cutler is only consistently effective when he has a reliable running game. When the offense gives up on the run (like they did against the Dolphins) Cutler has to throw 50 times. And when he throws 50 times he turns the ball over. That’s not his shortcoming, that’s just football.

Without Hillis, I don’t know how we can expect the running game to come through Sunday. Bell could find a time machine and run like he used to, but I have not seen anything indicating that he will.

by LosAngelesBronco on Dec 10, 2008 1:33 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

on Bell

With a game plan that is built more around his abilities, I could see him doing better than he did last week.

Remember, Hillis was our #1 last week and the game plan was (probably) built around his ability to run inside of the tackles and gain yards. When he went down, Tatum was next in line and we all know that he’s not a between the tackles kind of runner. When he got a chance to go off tackle, he got 28 yards.

I’m not sure why the game plan was written in concrete, but it appeared that way. One would think that with the way our RBs have been dropping, we would have the ability to flex the game plan more so that account for whichever RB is in the game.

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"Superman wears Peyton Hillis pajamas" - FlaBronco

by DesertBroncoFan on Dec 10, 2008 1:46 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Bell has played well considering how recently he returned

and how long he was out of football before that. He’s still rounding into shape and knocking the rust off, so he could have a breakout game. He also has a better attitude and seems to be more of a team player than he was before. With him and Selvin Young in the game (assuming he plays also) we might be surprised at how well we do on the ground. The only deficit, and it’s a significant one, is the lack of an inside power game. On the other hand, one reason one backup after another has had a breakout game is that we have the best o-line in football.

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by spock on Dec 10, 2008 2:00 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Now that Tatum has worked off his Krispy Kremes

he should be much faster and with Selvin (possibly) back, that would be a nice backfield to have, though without the much needed inside running game.

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"Superman wears Peyton Hillis pajamas" - FlaBronco

by DesertBroncoFan on Dec 10, 2008 3:30 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

It will fit with the Spread Offense Cutler wants to employ anyway. ;-)

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by Tim Lynch on Dec 10, 2008 3:31 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

From Jay-C:

Heard him say on his show on Monday that they chucked the game plan out the window in the second half of the Jets game and after Hillis went down v. KC. They compensated with dinks and dunks and must have thought it was the way to go. When in doubt, revert to Jay-C.

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by littletinybroncos on Dec 10, 2008 7:38 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

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Chiefs, Raiders, what’s the difference? It’s hard to see in the basement! - hoosierteacher 12/4/08

by Tim Lynch on Dec 10, 2008 7:48 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

They are obvious, but I'm saying that Hillis wasn't the reason why won four out of five or the reason why got blown out by the Raiders....

The only reason is Cutler. If he plays poorly and makes bad decisions, we lose…period. He has a hot hand right now and I think he might be able to will this team to victory on Sunday. I don’t agree with your running game assessment. I will say that when we abandon the running game things go badly for us, but some of those games we were forced to abandon the running game because we were down multiple scores. Here are the stats:

Oakland loss – Cutler was 16/37 for 204 yards and an INT. Hillis ran 17 times for 74 yards and a TD, while the team had a total of 28-115 in rushing.

Miami loss – Cutler was 24/46 for 307 with 2 TD and 3 INT. The Broncos got behind early and only ran the ball 12 times for 14 yards.

Patriots loss – Cutler was 17/26 for 168 yards with 1 TD and 2 INT. The Broncos were 26-106 in rushing with Pittman having 20 carries for 88 yards.

Jaguars loss – Cutler was 21/37 192 with 2 TD and 1INT. The Broncos ran the ball 23 times for 131, with Pittman getting the ball 20 times for over 100 yards.

Chiefs loss – Cutler was 29/49 for 361 with 1 TD and 2 INT. The Broncos ran the ball 22 times for 94 yards.

We had rushing games in some of those losses, but the one constant I notice isn’t a lack of running game…it is poor play from Jay Cutler. He completed under 55% of his passes and threw 6 TDs with 9 INTs. In my opinion, losing Hillis will not cause the Broncos to lose this game. If we lose it will be the result of Cutler playing poorly and making bad decisions.

I think he will not play poorly and I think he will punish the Panthers defense all night long and he will lead the Broncos to victory late in the game.

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Chiefs, Raiders, what’s the difference? It’s hard to see in the basement! - hoosierteacher 12/4/08

by Tim Lynch on Dec 10, 2008 2:00 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

If I was a betting man, I'd at least bet that the Broncos would cover. ;-)

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Chiefs, Raiders, what’s the difference? It’s hard to see in the basement! - hoosierteacher 12/4/08

by Tim Lynch on Dec 10, 2008 2:06 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought you were a betting man :P

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"Superman wears Peyton Hillis pajamas" - FlaBronco

by DesertBroncoFan on Dec 10, 2008 3:33 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Umm...only straight up. I got the Broncos in my cash pick'em league for sure!

I want to win another $50 this week. :)

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Chiefs, Raiders, what’s the difference? It’s hard to see in the basement! - hoosierteacher 12/4/08

by Tim Lynch on Dec 10, 2008 3:35 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

But Zappa

how well would Cutler be able to play if he was running for his life all season? He might sometimes have a bad game in spite of a brilliant o-line, but I don’t know how often he could have good ones in spite of a bad one. In at least some of those bad games it seemed to me he was harrassed more than usual by the pass rush and the ground game was stymied—e.g. the Miami game. I’m tempted to say that when our o-line plays badly we lose.

"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen

by spock on Dec 10, 2008 5:05 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Well yeah...if we were having injuries on our oline(2007 anyone?) then yeah....

Cutler, even with time, can still blow the game for us was my point. ;)

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Chiefs, Raiders, what’s the difference? It’s hard to see in the basement! - hoosierteacher 12/4/08

by Tim Lynch on Dec 10, 2008 6:22 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Now that is a great assessment!

totally agree and i have been looking for that exact comparison. It really is interesting how the “decisions” (INT"s) that Jay makes, have affected the losses.

It is promising, however, that he seems to be growing out of all that!

Great post Zappa! and thank you for staying “with it with the responses.”

by metalman5050 on Dec 10, 2008 5:21 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you and we all try to "stay with it". lol

My worry is that just when we all start to think Cutler is “growing out of it” he lays an egg. Let’s hope he lays his next one next year….I want the Broncos to win out baby!

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Chiefs, Raiders, what’s the difference? It’s hard to see in the basement! - hoosierteacher 12/4/08

by Tim Lynch on Dec 10, 2008 6:24 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I know. I just just sayin... :)

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Chiefs, Raiders, what’s the difference? It’s hard to see in the basement! - hoosierteacher 12/4/08

by Tim Lynch on Dec 10, 2008 6:33 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Without a running game, Cutler doesn't have a chance.

I see what you’re saying, but I’m not trying to argue that we can win without Cutler playing well, what I’m saying is that when the team doesn’t have a semblance of a running game (NE, OAK, Miami) Cutler is trying to do the impossible, win a game on his own.

I agree that if the Broncos are going to transcend mediocrity, it will be on Cutler and the passing game. But no passing game can thrive in this league without a running game playing a supporting role. When we have a servicable running back as Hillis was, Cutler can win games for us.

As for the stats, we went over 100 yards rushing against Oakland with Hillis(the one game I’ve been able to make it to in Denver) but I’m sure you’d agree that Shanahan never tried to establish the running game that day (It seemed like we threw on every single first down). It was the same in the New England game, and the same today.

Cutler is the barometer of this team, but he is not Super Man. Without a back who can consistently run between the tackles and at least make the opposition respect that element of the offense we have to ask Cutler to do too much. Defenses load up on the pass, Cutler turns it over, and we (Is “we” acceptable on this blog?) See October 6 – November 6

*The Jacksonville game was an exception as bad luck and turnovers at the wrong times killed us, but that is our only close loss all season (I’ve noticed we are 6-1 in games decided by 7 or less).

by LosAngelesBronco on Dec 14, 2008 6:17 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Good work zappa

Not looking too far behind a team statistically is one reason why I cap a teams games going back only four games. Once a season is underway, 4 games is an eon in football.

That said, once a team has proven it can do a particular thing, good or bad, if the conditions remain comparabel, they are always a threat to repeat…

Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.

by Jeremy Bolander on Dec 10, 2008 2:20 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

+1

Which is why the game will go one of two ways. A Panther blowout or a close hard fought game. lol

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Chiefs, Raiders, what’s the difference? It’s hard to see in the basement! - hoosierteacher 12/4/08

by Tim Lynch on Dec 10, 2008 2:29 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Again, I'm no expert,

but I wonder if defending Smith isn’t the key to this game. If the Broncos can keep him from busting too many long plays then the rest of the defense can concentrate on shutting down the run. I don’t know why but I’ve got this feeling, almost Zappa-esque, that if the Panthers run a lot they are going to fumble at least twice. If that happens then the Broncos stop two drives without points and that could be the difference.

But I’m probably just dreaming, lol.

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Dec 10, 2008 2:31 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

You have read my mind.

I didn’t see Smith as a major factor in this game. If we stop the run or even a couple of drives, then victory will be ours!!! (laughing maniacally)

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Chiefs, Raiders, what’s the difference? It’s hard to see in the basement! - hoosierteacher 12/4/08

by Tim Lynch on Dec 10, 2008 2:40 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Scary

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Dec 10, 2008 3:16 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Fumbles?

DeAngelo Williams: 2 fumbles in three full seasons. 0 fumbles in 2008.
Jonathan Stewart: 2 fumbles in 2008.

Not a fumbling team.

Defending Smith would be huge for you guys. I don’t know how that would happen. Nnamdi Asomugha was able to do it, or maybe it was Jake’s complete meltdown that day (7 completions, 4 interceptions). But you don’t have a Nnamdi Asomugha. Champ and Dré are both good, but Champ won’t be 100% and Dré’s not the player he once was. Without safety help, which I hear is in short supply, they’re going to get burned at least once.

Once is all it takes.

by r3 on Dec 10, 2008 8:19 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Safety help

We’re all livin’ on a prayer with Josh Barrett. He’s 6-2, 225 and runs a 4.3 40. We drafted him in the 7th round, called him up from the practice squad 2 weeks ago, and he’s been lights out. He made Tony Gonzalez’s life hell last week, harrassing him all game. Hopefully, maybe, he can do the same thing in the deep field. But yes, I do see Smith burning us at least once. I think it will be similar to how we did against Roddy White in the Falcons game. He had 2 long receptions, but not really anything else. Hopefully Champ will be back and in full force for this game. Lord knows we’re going to need him.

"During MHR Radio we laugh, sing, listen, shed a few tears, and learn all of Papi's dirty secrets." -TSG 12/7/08

by papigrande on Dec 10, 2008 9:24 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm looking forward to watching him.

He’s a complete physical freak. Hopefully his playing ability lives up to those measurables.

by r3 on Dec 10, 2008 9:43 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

My fear is that we pressed him into service too early....

I felt he needed more time to develop….

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Chiefs, Raiders, what’s the difference? It’s hard to see in the basement! - hoosierteacher 12/4/08

by Tim Lynch on Dec 11, 2008 7:57 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

hoosierteacher's pet name for Clady & co.. I couldn't help but steal it...it's all too fitting for our OLine. :)

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Chiefs, Raiders, what’s the difference? It’s hard to see in the basement! - hoosierteacher 12/4/08

by Tim Lynch on Dec 10, 2008 2:52 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Great post Zappa

Recommended.

I agree with what you are saying except possible outcomes…there is a distinct possibility that we actually slow down the Panther run game, keep Smith in check, make Delhomme throw some picks, and blow the pants off the Panthers.

I may be dreaming, but I can see it happening…especially if we jump out to a 2 touchdown lead in the first half and dictate the pace of the game.

by sadaraine on Dec 10, 2008 2:44 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I don't know if we are good enough to "blow the pants off" of the Carolina,

but I think we will stymie the Panthers offense and force enough FG attempts to keep the game close and the Broncos have a knack for winning close games. We’ll see, but I am tremendously excited for this game. I hope the media strokes the Panthers egos all week and talks them up all week and talks about the Giants game with them all week, ect ect….SLAP, TRAP, 9-5 baby!

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Chiefs, Raiders, what’s the difference? It’s hard to see in the basement! - hoosierteacher 12/4/08

by Tim Lynch on Dec 10, 2008 2:51 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

And thanks for the rec! ;-)

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Chiefs, Raiders, what’s the difference? It’s hard to see in the basement! - hoosierteacher 12/4/08

by Tim Lynch on Dec 10, 2008 2:53 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh! BTW rec'd.

Nice work, as always.

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Dec 10, 2008 3:15 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

You'll appreciate this thought

9 – 5 this week…10 -6 next week…no possibility to improve playoff situation for week 17 and Cutler gets to chill on the sidelines against the Charges with a “Ho-hum” look on his face as Rivers throws a fit all day long…. MUAHAHAHAHA!!

by sadaraine on Dec 10, 2008 3:29 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

We be battling for the #3 spot...11-5 will secure it, unless the Patriots or Dolphins win out. lol

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Chiefs, Raiders, what’s the difference? It’s hard to see in the basement! - hoosierteacher 12/4/08

by Tim Lynch on Dec 10, 2008 3:30 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

And let Hackney

run and throw all over the place on the hapless chargers secondary!

I only hope that I can make it to the game to see that!

"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game

"Superman wears Peyton Hillis pajamas" - FlaBronco

by DesertBroncoFan on Dec 10, 2008 3:37 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

"And the Broncos have a knack for winning close games"

That’s the difference between us an the Bolts. They’ve scored more than they’ve given up, yet are 5-8, while we’ve given up more than we’ve scored and are 8-5. That, friends, is the difference between a Shanahan and a Turner-coached team. Norv’s teams always underperform. Since he’ll be available by the end of the season, let’s hope Al Davis jumps on the opportunity.

"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen

by spock on Dec 10, 2008 5:16 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Didnt crazy Al already jump on the Norv opportunity? lol

Oh, but he has demensia…so maybe he doesn’t remember.

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Chiefs, Raiders, what’s the difference? It’s hard to see in the basement! - hoosierteacher 12/4/08

by Tim Lynch on Dec 10, 2008 6:25 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

As long as we keep our foot on the throttle

and don’t go all conservative on both sides of the ball.

We’ve fallen into that trap too many times and we need to stop it!

"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game

"Superman wears Peyton Hillis pajamas" - FlaBronco

by DesertBroncoFan on Dec 10, 2008 3:35 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Though running the ball consistently is not conservative in my book. We should blitz more though.

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Chiefs, Raiders, what’s the difference? It’s hard to see in the basement! - hoosierteacher 12/4/08

by Tim Lynch on Dec 10, 2008 3:43 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually...

It is conservative play that has won games. When Cutler pushes too hard, he throws INTs. When he takes what the offense gives him, and we run the ball instead of playing an open spread, we won games this year.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Dec 11, 2008 4:45 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking more on the defensive side of the ball

Last week we went into a soft zone in the second half and almost gave up the lead.

I agree that if we have a consistent running game going, then by all means keep it going. I’ve also seen too many times where the running game is moving the ball down the field then for some reason the next possession we go three and out on three straight passes. I could do without that as well!

"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game

"Superman wears Peyton Hillis pajamas" - FlaBronco

by DesertBroncoFan on Dec 11, 2008 8:23 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Zappa, awesome post!

I think that Denver’s first 15 scripted plays will be telling. I hope Carolina has the ball first and goes 3 and out….then we score on a flawless drive.

Do you think Champ will be tested by Smith often? I think the Panthers may want to check that groin out? Any thoughts?

Rec’d

by Steve O' on Dec 10, 2008 4:12 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the kudos!

I’m not sure our first 15 scripted plays make much of a difference any more. Cutler tends to change plays at the line whenever he doesn’t like what he sees. Sort of Peyton Manning-esque. I don’t think the Panthers will game plan around Champ or try to test his skill either. The Panthers are 10-3 and have the confidence of a 10-3 team…they will throw the ball wherever Jake Delhomme wants to throw the ball………until he gets intercepted a few times, then they might lose a little of that cockiness. It all depends on how well the Broncos defense adjusts, but I think we’re going to see many, many run plays on Sunday. Steve Smith will only see tons of action if the Broncos jump out to lead.

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Chiefs, Raiders, what’s the difference? It’s hard to see in the basement! - hoosierteacher 12/4/08

by Tim Lynch on Dec 10, 2008 4:20 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Do you think Champ will be tested by Smith often? I think the Panthers may want to check that groin out? Any thoughts?

ummmm…..

I’m not sure how to respond to that.

Dr. Smith says, “Turn to the left and cough.

by r3 on Dec 10, 2008 8:24 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I think we are being attacked by outsiders

There are 51 votes expecting us to lose!

This must be an attack from the outside!

The best defense is a good defense!
And last week's young players. Yes!

by Mike Clark on Dec 10, 2008 5:37 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Fortunately there's 120+ predicting another Broncos victory...

I, for one, would not bet against Zappstradamus!

GO BRONCOS!!!

by UnarmingMermaid on Dec 10, 2008 5:39 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

The best defense is a good defense!
And last week's young players. Yes!

by Mike Clark on Dec 10, 2008 5:45 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

lol!!

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Chiefs, Raiders, what’s the difference? It’s hard to see in the basement! - hoosierteacher 12/4/08

by Tim Lynch on Dec 10, 2008 6:25 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Now get on your knees and kiss my feet.

No need to be rude…I didn’t do anything to you. :P

Though I do detect a bit of fear or apprehension in the posts of you Panther fans…it is clear you are worried about this game or you wouldn’t be so committed to arguing your case here. ;-)

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Chiefs, Raiders, what’s the difference? It’s hard to see in the basement! - hoosierteacher 12/4/08

by Tim Lynch on Dec 11, 2008 7:59 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

How in the world was I rude?

Oh, I get it. Making any sort of Kanye reference is pretty offensive, and for that I sincerely apologize.

by r3 on Dec 12, 2008 1:52 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

It's all in good fun. ;-)

This is my GAP, there are many like it but this one is mine. Without my GAP I am useless, without me, they will run through my GAP. I will protect my GAP and have my brothers back on his. I will not be moved from my GAP, I am a crazed dog that patrols this area and will defeat all who entire it. I own this GAP, it is mine. I bought it with blood and sweat. I will not be pushed. I will not be moved. This Sunday I will make a stand and a statement.

by Tim Lynch on Dec 12, 2008 8:02 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice post there Zappa

This will be a true test for the 2008 Denver Broncos. The division title is one win away and we are on the road against a team we aren’t supposed to beat. Oh, and the Panthers’ game after us is against the Giants on primetime…….I like the setup and our chances.

"It doesn't dissipate" ~ Mike Shanahan

Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 7

by weazel on Dec 10, 2008 6:49 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Now,

The problem is that after reading all of the exceptional input by the fans, for the fans, on this post, I am forced to comment on comments made by Zappa, Unarming mermaid, DezBronc Fan, Sadaraine, Steve O, Spock, Trinidad Jack, but then I must stomp hard on the south tunnel, until it collapses!!!

by metalman5050 on Dec 10, 2008 6:49 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Personally, I think either Zappa...

…is the world’s fastest typer, or he has no life outside MHR. ;)

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Dec 10, 2008 7:07 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I work for the great State of California.

Actually, I do type 80 WPM….tested. lmao ;) MHR Radio on.

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Chiefs, Raiders, what’s the difference? It’s hard to see in the basement! - hoosierteacher 12/4/08

by Tim Lynch on Dec 10, 2008 7:09 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Here's the deal.

Zappa made some very strong points, but, they were so ON, that I couldn’t, in good concience, BUZZ UP! Look! I do not want the ENEMY, to get this information!

UNARMING MERMAID, as usual, made a couple of points, #1 The Broncos should run the ball, TEN TIMES STRAIT, but Zappa said…Guess what! “You all know JC! It’s time to audible!” #2 Our favorite Mermaid said, "I wouldn’t bet against Zappstradomous! Trust me when I tell you that "Our fav Mermaid is not done yet tonight, so go back and look all of the comments up! The next review on annother of my favorite fans, is comming up.

by metalman5050 on Dec 10, 2008 7:13 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I'm your favorite Mermaid?

Really?

Really really?

Thank you for the kind words metalman!

GO BRONCOS!!!

by UnarmingMermaid on Dec 10, 2008 7:36 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I like you too mermaid, but NO ONE unarms me! :P

Good stuff metalman. lol You crack me up man.

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Chiefs, Raiders, what’s the difference? It’s hard to see in the basement! - hoosierteacher 12/4/08

by Tim Lynch on Dec 10, 2008 7:39 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey Dez!

I really liked what your oppinion was on the coverage issue. The point I would like to make about that is that, the Broncos finnaly went back to "NOT being afraid of the run. Now our safeties have been able to actually play the true safety possition and that has made the BIG difference in this CHANGE!!!!!!!!!!!! I truely beleive that the Denver D, is showing up and that, LIKE the BZ(Big Zappa) said, this game will surprise, not just the pussies, BUT the NFL as a whole.

I was chekin out your point on the point that we need to stop being conservitive!

by metalman5050 on Dec 10, 2008 8:55 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Well, Sadaraine,

I accept the thought, that we can totally stuff our apponant this week! I DO, HOwEVER, disagree with the point that the Broncos need to “SLAM!” this team, in order to win! I think that the combined team play, is what will show the league that we R, in reality, a legit contender.

by metalman5050 on Dec 10, 2008 9:10 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Hey Steve, been a long time since we talked.

Man what I really liked about what you said is the point that you made about the 3 and out. Can we really come up BIG after that? ABSOLUTELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by metalman5050 on Dec 10, 2008 9:37 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Good Game coming

Two division leaders duking it out. I don’t think either team is looking past this Sunday. You don’t get to be a division leader by not preparing well. It’s a sign of good coaching and quality veteran leadership in both locker rooms.

Both teams have faced adversity throughout the season. Early on in the season, the broncos were media darlings and the Panthers were question marks. Now the panthers are in the spotlight and Denver, not as much as they used to be.

Both teams have a knack for playing exceptionally close games. Again, both teams have history winning close games.

I’m a panthers fan myself, so I’m hoping we come out on top. I know we’re not going to run the ball for 300 yards every week. So this is going to be a tough matchup.

The old adage that on any given sunday any team can beat any other makes it very difficult to win. No matter who your opponent is.

by dubron on Dec 11, 2008 12:29 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

Good post dubron.

I’ve got to agree (except for the Carolina on top part, of course). This is going to be a good one. I can’t wait.

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Dec 11, 2008 1:08 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

It will be a good win that's for sure!!

4-0 against the big bad NFC South

by Steve O' on Dec 11, 2008 6:22 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Broncos suck

You Bronco fans really think you have a chance in hell of my panthers. LOL Wrpng. In reality panthers are at home is 7-0 this season and no team has even kept the game close this year at panthers home game. Every game carolina has played at home this season they have won by 2 are more touchdowns agaist any team. But bronco fans want to dream of betting carolina this sunday but in reality it want even be close. And the only reason dever is 3 games up in their devision with 3 games left to go is because the other teams in their devision pretty much sucks. There for making Denver look good. I don’t what media are anyone else say bout the bronco girls wheather bad are good are bad. Broncos will fail tomorrow plain and simple. Yes my panthers Defense has kind of lacked off sum since the bye week. But carolina still has one of the most fear D in the league . And carolina has one of the best run stop D in the league . You Tuner adn norwood of the falcons when they was help under a 100 years conbined when the played in carolina earlier this season. Are as dunn and willaims what happen monday night when they was held under a hundred yards that night when they played in carolina. Simply carilina D at home this season and on the road had been real good and great at home. And carolina offense has been great for the past month and theres no way denvers banged up D what be able to stop The runnin game are smith and the moose. Even a ranked 4 th D in bucs couldn’t even stop carolina. Point is in reality panthers has a few things to work out in the D but its still good and offense that is right now one of the most feared O ffense in the leage right now. So you Bronco fans can keep dreaming of a win but in reality a 8-5 and banged up D of the broncos will not sotp panther offense on bit. I’ll admitt Broncos offnese is up their with carolina but that want be nearly good enough to stop caroina from running up the score and betting the crap out of your broncos and making them look ,ore like jackasses instead.

by Pantherman on Dec 13, 2008 3:58 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

God you're dumb!

Where do you guys come from? Honestly…I don’t think we have people that stupid in Colorado.

GO BRONCOS!!!

by UnarmingMermaid on Dec 13, 2008 5:39 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I think he formed a complete sentence in the 7th line...

Broncos will fail… Isn’t that a complete sentence? It’s also just one comma short of having the correct punctuation. Quite impressive.

by donbok1 on Dec 13, 2008 6:28 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL you bronco fans are in a fream world ain’t you. Yes I admited that the bronco Offense is good are near as good as the panther offense. Panthes offense is a little better balance then the broncos offense is. But the thing is the denve coaches teach their offense line to be cheap and go for the knees and below every snap. Thats the only reason denver can play offense is go down and cut the defense at the knees. That kind of blocking needs to band from the nfl bnecuase that kind of blocking has a high risk chance of destroying another player nfl carreer. If denver o line had to go shoulder pad to should pad tomorrow the denver would be dead meat. No but the denver coaches got to teach their players the cheap way of playing football on offense. Denver could never play above the waist they have drop to the ground and the Dline knees out from under them just to open the runnin lanes and protect their little fag ass QB who really haven’t got no skills to speak of. If wasn’t for the oline going for the knees every gaming the denver wouldn’t even have a 8-5 record. Pint is even though denver is cheap on every play peppers watches film and hes knows denver will do that so he will avoid that go around them why denver offense fat asses are lying on the ground. But knowing the denver o line they will hold the legs of peppers and trip up just to slow him down. Every other team thought they could slow peppers down this season but they have yet to find a answer. Point block denver defense is going to be dead afer panthers offense gets through with them. The only people I have ever respected in the bronco tean was rod smith, john elway, and TD. But the rest of dnever team past present and future is pure trash. Denver will season a great panther team when they get blown out sunday.

by Pantherman on Dec 13, 2008 8:12 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I don't want to be mean...and I feel sort of bad for my previous comments.

However, if the expression “clear writing is indicitive of a clear thought process” is true then that does not bode well for you my friend.

It gives me a headache trying to figure out what the hell you are talking about.

GO BRONCOS!!!

by UnarmingMermaid on Dec 13, 2008 9:05 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Get help Pantherman

please.

Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.

by Jeremy Bolander on Dec 13, 2008 10:35 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL!!

Styg gets in on it! Pantherman— did your momma drop you off a ladder or something when you were a baby? Oh wait, you ARE a baby!! That ’splains everything. Now, go back to mommy and leave the big boys alone.

"During MHR Radio we laugh, sing, listen, shed a few tears, and learn all of Papi's dirty secrets." -TSG 12/7/08

by papigrande on Dec 14, 2008 9:02 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL at bronco fans now

And BTW styg 50 maybe you and your broncos are the ones that need help now. Like I said the other night no one this season had betten carolina at home. The broncos girls just found that out just a little while ago. they could not stop the moose are steve smith one bit the whole game. And yet the panther D shut down your little saintified WR marshall and royal the whole game just about. Accept for the first drive are 2. But then on out panthers D for the rest of the game just harrasd jay cutler and those wrs of ya’ll all game long. You denver faithfuls continue to live in your dream world about beting most likly the best team in the nfc after next sunday night after we finish the deal in NY. So you bronco fan crawel back in to your little stalls with the other colts aswell. Denver took a ass kicking from Carolina big time on all sides of the ball. Final score from carolina is Panthers 30 Little crying baby broncos 10. LOL Bronco fans enjoy your bottles when you go to beddy bye later tonight in you cribs. Don’t have a bad dream bought the big bad ass Cats of Carolina. LOL enjoy your ass kicking and lose punks. LMFAO

by Pantherman on Dec 14, 2008 5:31 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Go home and punch your mother in the face...

for getting knocked up by her brother, and spawning this dumbass you see in your mirror.

by donbok1 on Dec 14, 2008 6:38 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

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