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Just how good is Denver?  Earlier in the season, I wrote that Denver had a shot at anywhere from fourth to second seed in the AFC playoffs.  The bad news is that the loss against Oakland wrecked any reasonable chance of second seed.  The good news is that wins over the Jets and the Chiefs have catapulted Denver to the third seed.

Denver ranks 11th in the League, which is amazing considering the sheer number of injuries the team has faced (6th string RB anyone?).  When factoring in the playoff requirements, Denver ranks third in the AFC, behind only TENN and PITT.  If the playoffs were today, Denver would have a home game against Baltimore.

Is 8-5 anything to be ashamed of?  Some in the media may try to spin it this way.  But a look at other (if held today) playoff teams reveals the Jets, Cowboys, Vikings, and Cards all have the same 8-5 record.  Baltimore, Indy, and TB each have just one more game at 9-4, and we've beaten TB.

Some may be concerned about the loss of Hillis.  I think Hillis is the clear answer at RB for next year.  I love his power running style, his ability to block, his ability to catch out of the backfield, and of course, his Mile High salute.  But as MHR Chief Editor Guru points out, this team was winning without Hillis, and can keep winning behind what is becoming a legendary OL.

Facing the Panthers this week in Carolina, our young, playoff caliber team will face the toughest challenge of the year.  The Panthers are one of four Superbowl Caliber teams, and this game will be an early indication of how deep the Broncos might deserve to go in the playoffs.

(Note: Panthers owner Jerry Richardson, the first former NFL player since George Halas to become a team owner, is in need of a heart transplant and has been placed on a donor waiting list.  All of us at MHR wish Mr. Richardson the very best, and hope a donation match can be made soon)

Star-divide

 

The Panthers' Offensive Line and Running Backs - Smash and Dash

Let's break down the strengths of the Panthers.  First, they have a devastating run block offensive line.  Like Denver, they have a superman playing rookie tackle (Otah - RT).  They also have powerful run blocking specialists at the FB and TE position.  Because of what the line does, and because both WRs are excellent at crack back blocking, the Panthers feature a power running duo at RB who are big play threats (Williams and Stewart).  The Panthers are nearly assured of 20+ yard gains in every game they play.  In short, this team is designed to run over, around, and through anything that gets in their way.

If Denver's DL and LBs don't tackle on first contact, this game will get ugly very quick.

The Panthers have been moving away from the zone block system over a couple of years very slowly.  It is still a big part of their gameplan, and not something they want to give up.  But unlike Denver, they've been willing to go for a bigger OL and RBs who aren't natural one cutters.  Is it the right move?  It depends on your thinking.  Denver is committed to only drafting / obtaining players who fit the system, so it should stay in Denver for a long time.  The Panthers are ok with getting the best available in terms of OL and RB, regardless of scheme.  Over time, they will be more focused on brute strength than agility.  Both teams will have success, just along different paths.

The Panthers are not a flashy team.  They are a true smash mouth team, only employing about five plays for the run (each with simple variants).  They focus on power, size, and execution.  Even an elite defense (and Denver is not one) is in trouble facing this Panthers team.

For the type of System that the Panthers employ, the critical key for Denver is simple in theory, but tough in execution.  The first Bronco in contact with the RB must make the tackle.  Arm tackles will not work, overpursuit will not work, and faulty gap assignments will not work.  Our one gap DL must plug their gaps, and buy enough space for the LBs to swarm and bring down the runner.  Plugging the gaps will be hard against the zone blockers, because the zone block eats up one gap players.

The other problem Denver faces is that the Panthers will likely use the running game to thwart Cutler's time on the field.  Denver will need Cutler to have a big game if they are going to stop Carolina.  If Carolina puts together a few drives with their running game and can win the time of possession battle, Denvers most potent weapon will spend much of the game watching from the sidelines.

Carolina's Pass Scheme and Personnel

Delhome is not the best QB in the League, but he doesn't have to be.  All he has to do is manage the game, and keep the defense from focusing too heavily on the run.  Delhome is blessed with an incredible line, incredible runners, but also very capable receivers.  Steve Smith is an elite receiver, and attempts to double cover him can be punished by Mushin Muhammed on the other side.  However, the drop off is severe.  Muhammed is nowhere near the receiver Smith is.  With Bly at RCB, Denver can more safely cover Smith with Bailey and keep a deep safety with his eye more towards Smith than anywhere else.  At slot and beyond, the Panthers are thin and untalented.

Like the Denver WRs, the Panthers value WRs who can run block.  Both starting receivers are effective on crack back blocks for sweeps, and both spend much of the game locking up with opposing CBs.  They are both capable of playing physical football, but both like to get downfield to clear out the running lanes.

The Broncos are proud of Marshall, who, despite missing his first game, rapidly climbed to being a receiving leader.  The Panthers have Smith.  He missed the first two games, and is on a team that rarely throws the ball.  He still manages to rank fifth amongst receivers in the League.  That's pretty formidable.

Denver has the CBs to nuetralize the air threat, but Denver is unlikely to support the CBs with a second safety (they are very likely to put a safety in the box for the run game).  Worse, even with a four man rush, Denver will have a very tough time mounting an effective pass rush.  Denver will likely respect the run game enough to hold back on blitzing players, so Delhome will likely get in a few solid passes.

Delhome is a great manager.  He is smart, a good leader, and acurate.  He can be rattled if driven from the pocket, but Denver's defense doesn't present much of a pass rush.

Denver will be improved at safety, will get Bailey back at CB (most likely), and perhaps figure out a way to use some of the LBs who were hot in the absence of the three starters.  But the overwhelming advantage on the CAR Offense versus the Denver defense has to go to Carolina.

Oddly, this is the one game all year where I'm ok with Denver playing 8 in the box.  The only real threat in the passing game is Smith.  Muhammed is completely outclassed by Bly, and one deep safety can focus more on Smith.  Bly can be beat without the over coverage much of the time (he likes to play underneath), but his assignment this game is one of the easier ones he'll face this year.

The Panthers on Defense

Peppers is the big name, and at RDE is always a threat to get to the QB.  Peppers also benefits from Lewis (RDT), who drives the gap between the LT and the LG, forcing the LT to account for the gap to his right.

However, I'm giving the benefit to Denver here. Hamilton (LG) and Clady (LT) are two of the best in the business.  We are already on track for a legendary year for an OL, and I see no reason that changes here.  Teams have tried bull rushing Clady, tricking him, scheming him, etc.  So far, nothing has worked.  Clady has faced some of the best DEs and OLBs (including Porter - MIA) the League has to offer, and he has dominated every one of them.  In the worst beatings Denver has taken this year, no one has been able to figure out Clady.  I will watch the Clady / Peppers match-up closely (if the game is televised in my area), but I feel confident in what Clady has to offer.

The rest of the DL is solid too, even if some names aren't household names.  In fact, I even like the depth this team features at DL.  Here again, the Denver OL is amazing in their pass blocking, and I am not too concerned about this aspect of the game.

The real dangerous effect of Carolina's DL match-up against Denver's OL, surprisingly, isn't the (Peppers' led) pass rush at all.  A look at the Xs and Os in my mind says the real threat is Kemoeatu, a true two gap DT.  He will require double coverage on run plays from Wiegmann and Kuper, and even in pass protection.  He shouldn't make too many big plays himself, but makes the rest of the line more effective.  As a coach, I would be more concerned about the resources we have to spend keeping Kemoeatu in check (we'll call it Kemo-therapy).

Kemo lines up at the LDT spot.  This is because runs in the League favor the strongside.  His powerful frame makes the cover two defense of the Panthers more effective.  The double teams he demands mean less 2nd level runblockers for any of our runners.  And while the Panthers don't get much of a pass rush without blitzers, Denver has to "waste" two players just to keep Kemo from slowly lumbering over to Jay.

I trust the Denver OL to protect Jay, and trust Jay will get away from most of what gets through.  But because Jay will be throwing against a defense that is in zone much of the game, he'll need to tone down his aggressive when he does get flushed.  (It would be nice to see Jay throw some of his passes away instead of forcing too much.  It would also be nice to see some of the eligible receivers come back to Jay when he's in trouble, something we need to work on a little bit).

The LBs and DBs are all solid players, but nothing flashy.  The defense plays as a team and uses tight coordination to get the most out of the players.  While they rank in the middle of the League in most defensive categories, they play a solid game that requires an offense to limit mistakes.   I've always thought that Chris Gamble was one of those CBs that doesn't get enough publicity.  Watching him in his early years with Carolina, I always thought he was destined to be a starter and to be a big name someday.  He's doing very well this year, and may start getting some recognition.  Though he plays in a zone system, Gamble could make the switch easily to a man system if needed.  But the LBs remain the core of the defense.  The DL gives them the protection to stop runs, and they play their zones with the discipline to keep their own assignments.

Keys to the Game

Denver

  1. Tackle on first contact.  Denver will not stop the running game; I'm putting that in stone right here.  But they must tackle on first contact to slow the running game if they are going to win.  Carolina will gain heavily on the ground whenever the first tackle is blown (10 to 25 yards).  We can't count on safeties to bring down either of the Carolina RBs.
  2. Cutler must be patient.  The cover two will provide multiple chances for Jay to throw INTs.  Even with the Panthers eating up the clock, Denver must cut the pass defense with a hundred small cuts, instead of a few gashes.
  3. Early lead.  If Caroline has to start going to the air, we have taken them out of their strength; running.  But getting the ealry lead needs to be done the right way; with short yardage completions, not long, risky, forced passes.

Carolina

  1. Don't leave points on the field.  Denver will try to win in a shootout.  With the long, run based drives that Carolina brings to the game, they need to score on their possessions.
  2. Use your players in zone, and skip the blitzing.  The current incarnation of the Broncos OL is on track to be the most sackless OL ever, and that's with Denver passing on almost every down!  Cutler also throws well outside of the pocket.  If you really want to beat Cutler, just keep the back 8 (DBs and LBs) in zone, and let Cutler's aggressiveness beat himself.  Cutler is likey to force some throws, and a player is more likley to take advantage in zone than getting a sack.
  3. Win the turnover battle.  Cutler may throw INTs, but Denver is as likely to make a fumble or two.  Make sure you get to that ball when you have the chance.  Denver's high power offense will take advantage when you don't.

Summary

I've only picked against Denver twice, and was wrong both times.  I hope I'm wrong again this time.

Both teams have excellent offenses, though along very different lines.  I expect Denver to score several times with their high powered offense against a defense that isn't as good as some we've seen.  On the other hand, Carolina's run game won't be stopped.  Only the Vikings DL can blunt a running game like Carolina has.

I expect the game to be high scoring, unless we turnover the ball a couple of times and Carolina eats the clock.

I'm also concerned about injuries.  Carolina has a couple of injured players who won't make a difference.  Still unknown is Bailey, Larsen, DJ Williams, Stokley, Young, and others.  With a team as dominant as Carolina is, and with Denver a virtual lock for the playoffs, will Denver really want to risk some of their high profile players in this game?

Carolina is coming off a short week, but Denver is traveling to the east coast (even though they've won their east coast games so far this year).  Carolina is playing for homefield in the playoffs, while Denver can sew up a playoff spot with a win (or a SD loss).

Last, a look at records and consistency make Carolina one of two teams likely to make the SB from the NFC.  I still have Denver at 10-6 for the year, and a playoff appearance (with the fist round being a 50/50 propostion to win).

I give the edge to the Panthers, but I'll be the loudest fan supporting my team in my neck of the woods.

Go Broncos!

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I really see the Broncos stopping the Panthers in the red zone just enough times to give us the win.

We were of like mind until the Summary. ;-) Broncos win by four!

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Chiefs, Raiders, what’s the difference? It’s hard to see in the basement! - hoosierteacher 12/4/08

by Zappa on Dec 11, 2008 11:53 AM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No way

The Panthers running game is almost flawless in the red zone. I think 3 or 4 rushing TDs in the red zone against TB, and 5 rushing TDs against Green Bay.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Dec 11, 2008 1:28 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We will likely not hear from you after Sunday...since you'd only come back to talk smack and there will be no smack talking from you after the Panthers LOSE! :P

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Chiefs, Raiders, what’s the difference? It’s hard to see in the basement! - hoosierteacher 12/4/08

by Zappa on Dec 11, 2008 2:34 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Now now.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Dec 11, 2008 2:35 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey...it's true. lol

This is my GAP, there are many like it but this one is mine. Without my GAP I am useless, without me, LT will run through my GAP. I will protect my GAP and have my brothers back on his. I will not be moved from my GAP, I am a crazed dog that patrols this area and will defeat all who entire it. I own this GAP, it is mine. I bought it with blood and sweat. I will not be pushed. I will not be moved. This sunday I will make a stand and a statement.

by Zappa on Dec 11, 2008 2:56 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Go Zappa!

You tell ’em, Skippy!!

"During MHR Radio we laugh, sing, listen, shed a few tears, and learn all of Papi's dirty secrets." -TSG 12/7/08

by papigrande on Dec 11, 2008 3:05 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ha ha good one

If we lose, I will come back and let you sucker punch me… just like Smitty did on Ken Lucas in the off season.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Dec 11, 2008 3:54 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't rub it in. If we win we win. I won't be going anywhere to laugh it up.

I’ve already warned you, expect a tough and hard fought game and the Broncos will come out with the victory.

This is my GAP, there are many like it but this one is mine. Without my GAP I am useless, without me, they will run through my GAP. I will protect my GAP and have my brothers back on his. I will not be moved from my GAP, I am a crazed dog that patrols this area and will defeat all who entire it. I own this GAP, it is mine. I bought it with blood and sweat. I will not be pushed. I will not be moved. This Sunday I will make a stand and a statement.

by Zappa on Dec 11, 2008 3:56 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hope so Zappa.

No game is over until it is finished. Having coached, I always prepare for the worst, but hope for the best. The two times I’ve picked wrong this year in Chalk Talk was when I picked against the Broncos, so who knows?

The Panthers are a solid team with an effective system, and they play a consistent game. We never know which Bronco team is going to show up. At our best, I think we edge CAR. But Car has a 50/50 shot at representing the NFC this year, and I respect that.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Dec 11, 2008 1:34 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If...

the team that beat Atlanta shows up I think we win. If the team that lost to the faiders shows up it could get really ugly.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Dec 11, 2008 3:43 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The team that lost to the faders is afraid of flying...

I don’t think we need to worry about them making an appearance.

GO BRONCOS!!!

by UnarmingMermaid on Dec 11, 2008 3:45 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

a Panther's fan

has come to wish yall good luck this season, except for sunday!
Otah and Clady will be two HOF’s if they continue to play at the level their playing at now!
BTW, Smith isnt “streaky” take a look at the stats, the only year since ‘03 he hasnt done well was in ’04, where he was injured in 15 games!
You got some great wide-outs, but i assure SS89 is the best their is!
The way he impacts a game is just unreal, brining 3 or 4 guys over to cover him, terrifying the CB and causing defensive holding or pass inteference multiplie times a game, its just a great thing to watch.
Steve Young called Smitty the greatest WR he’s ever seen, remember who Steve Young use to throw the ball to =)

Anywayyyyyssssss…….like i said i wish yall good luck this season( except for sunday), and who knows, perhaps, this wont be the only time we meet this season!

by Panthers08 on Dec 13, 2008 8:35 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks man.

You’ll note that I never called Smith streaky. He’s a favorite of mine.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Dec 13, 2008 9:27 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Awesome as always HT.

I agree with Zappa here. I think they are going to be able to run on us, but the defense will tighten up when it needs to.

There is only One Moment—this moment—the Eternal Moment of Now

by sirsam on Dec 11, 2008 12:05 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think that....

…even if we win, our best showing on run defense shouldn’t do much to stop CAR’s run game. If we can put up scores in the pass game, and force CAR to keep up by going to the air, I think we can get it done.

Oddly, this means this is the one game when I think Denver should air out the ball more than running.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Dec 11, 2008 1:40 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bronco injured

Let’s hope that Shanahan doesn’t risk Bailey or Williams or any of the others. This is not a must win game. That said, let’s win the thing. Neither Bailey or Williams have played lately, and the Broncos have won anyway.

When the Gods are angry with someone, they give him what he asks for.

Greek Proverb

by bradley on Dec 11, 2008 12:14 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think this game is a must win....we have a young team and any boost to its confidence is a big need in my opinion. :)

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Chiefs, Raiders, what’s the difference? It’s hard to see in the basement! - hoosierteacher 12/4/08

by Zappa on Dec 11, 2008 12:21 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think it borderline must-win

We need SD to drop a game, or we need to win at least one more. Our last game is against SD. While it doesn’t feel like a must win, and I hate to use semi-injured elites against a team I don’t see us beating, we can still blow this season if we aren’t careful.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Dec 11, 2008 2:02 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah but,

we’ve won some big games without DJ, Selvin, and Champ. I say if they are healthy and can play at a level higher than what’s currently on the field, play them.

I think what held DJ and Selvin out last week wasn’t that they couldn’t physically play, it was more… is DJ at 85% better than the beast that is Wesley Woodyard at 100— no. Was Selvin at 85 better than Hillis at 100%— hell no.

I get the feeling that Champ isn’t even to that 85% phase where he could give it a go. If so, they are being cautious because Champ at 85% is better than Josh Bell at 100%, although I’ve been highly impressed with Mr. Bell’s efforts.

I also agree that pretty much every game from here on in is “boarderline must-win” until we have a litte “X” next to our name in the standings they print in my morning newspaper.

"Choose the sword, and you will join me. Choose the ball and you join your mother, in death. You don’t understand my words, but you must choose. So… come boy, choose life or death."

by ButteBronco on Dec 11, 2008 3:17 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Winning out would also do wonders for the confidence of this young football team.

We are NOT the Kansas City Chiefs and we do NOT back into the playoffs like a bunch of pansies!

This is my GAP, there are many like it but this one is mine. Without my GAP I am useless, without me, LT will run through my GAP. I will protect my GAP and have my brothers back on his. I will not be moved from my GAP, I am a crazed dog that patrols this area and will defeat all who entire it. I own this GAP, it is mine. I bought it with blood and sweat. I will not be pushed. I will not be moved. This sunday I will make a stand and a statement.

by Zappa on Dec 11, 2008 3:23 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Amen brother.

"Choose the sword, and you will join me. Choose the ball and you join your mother, in death. You don’t understand my words, but you must choose. So… come boy, choose life or death."

by ButteBronco on Dec 11, 2008 3:25 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've never liked the concept of "backing in".

If a team gets in, they get in because of the totality of their record.

When I was an assistant middle school wrestling coach, our team won the Conference Championship one year when in the final match, a kid from another school beat a kid from another school. The paper wrote that we “backed in” to the championship. I disagreed. We had the best record at the event, regardless of who beat whom. The paper neglected to mention that we had won the Conference (all city and county schools) every year for years.

In my book, if KC or anybody else gets a play off spot, they earn it. But that’s just my opinion.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Dec 11, 2008 3:30 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agree with you here.

If everybody plays by the rules and the rules say you’re in, then you earned it.

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Dec 11, 2008 4:03 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't forget the #3 seed.

That could be important.

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Dec 11, 2008 4:01 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree Zappa...

At the moment we are all assuming we are in the play offs. WE ARE NOT!
Denver needs to come out and take care of business this week. Holding out guys for this game is not the right path to go down. The luck this team has a a consitent basis, I dont want to take the chance that we have to beat SD to make the playoffs.
We lose this, we give SD a sniff and thats all any team needs.
If Oakland can blow us out at home so can Buffalo. So lets go into this gamje guns a blazin’, make a statement to the rest of the NFL by beating one of best 2 NFC teams at home, and then see what these knuckle heads in the MSM say.

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.

by boydy2669 on Dec 12, 2008 7:27 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Excellent analysis HT, Thank you!

I think you are exactly right on regarding Kemoeatu.

It all starts in the trenches HT 11/11/08

by firstfan on Dec 11, 2008 12:37 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Most fans love Peppers as a terrific DE.

So do I. But I think that Kemo is overlooked by the MSM like a lot of players (including CAR CB Gamble, and a few Denver players too). I would love to have a Kemo clone playing DT for Denver, even more than Peppers at this point.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Dec 11, 2008 1:55 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Covering Smith

Everyone seems to assume that we need Bailey to cover Smith. But it seems to me that Delhomme/Smith have excelled against tight man coverage. It’s been over/under double teams that have troubled them. Not that Smith doesn’t get open as much as Delhomme doesn’t seem to be able to thread the needle. That seem to play into using Bly on Smith with safety help over the top and using Bailey to deny Mohammed Thoughts?

by SlowWhiteGuy on Dec 11, 2008 12:45 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This "Troll" kinda agrees

Smith is the king of jump balls. Interceptions usually come when he is doubled and Jake throws a bad pass. If Champ is man to man, then Fox might go long to Smith even if he’s covered, just to scare your D into loosening up on the run.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Dec 11, 2008 1:34 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bailey is an odd creature.

While he plays man, and likes to play tight, he also prefers lining up in “off” coverage. This isn’t the common way to approach coverage underneath, but Bailey’s superhuman speed and “swivel agility” make it a rare advantage.

I wouldn’t place a safety over the top of Smith in doulble coverage. I would leave the safety back in a deep zone, and allow Bailey to do his thing. In an upcoming article (scheduled tomorow, unless the Chief Editor needs to reschedule), I’ll be talking about how safeties affect what Corners are able and not able to do. This game is a perfect example (when it comes to Smith).

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Dec 11, 2008 1:59 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HT on safeties?

I can’t wait!

"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen

by spock on Dec 11, 2008 4:46 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Indeed spock,

this will be another “epic” post! I also can not wait.

It all starts in the trenches HT 11/11/08

by firstfan on Dec 11, 2008 11:35 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great analysis

Stopping by from CSR. I think I might just copy your post for my game analysis, j/k.

But I think you pretty much summed up the key points. While I do expect the Panthers to win, I’m definitely not calling this a sure win by any means. Any team with the passing offensive weapons that Denver has is danger territory and it’s amazing what you have done going through 5 RB.

It should be a good game.

by LittleKing on Dec 11, 2008 12:50 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree this isn't a sure win.

I think Denver’s inconsistency and weakness against the run are major obstacles. Denver certainly can win this game, but on paper it’s a hard sell for me to make.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Dec 11, 2008 1:53 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Troll Here

Great article, and not just cuz you picked the Panthers. Very insightful and accurate!

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Dec 11, 2008 1:29 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks ST

Funny; I’m thinking it was pretty ok in spite of the fact that I picked CAR.

: )

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Dec 11, 2008 1:51 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ahhhhh...

you see how it works? When you don’t act like an @sshole…we don’t treat you like an @sshole.

GO BRONCOS!!!

by UnarmingMermaid on Dec 11, 2008 2:06 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ha ha!

I’m just being objective. I still think the Broncos are way too one dimensional, and don’t compare to the Panthers extremely balanced attack.

Yes I said balanced! They prefer to run, but have one many games this year slinging it around.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Dec 11, 2008 2:18 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're hardly being objective.

There are many ways to view the multi-dimensional nature of a team. If you simply want to view it as pass v rush then you’re welcome to. You’d be surprised to find that the Broncos have had a fair amount of success running the ball and are ranked 16th (right in the middle) in rushing despite being on our 6th and 7th RBs this season. The Broncos built their reputation as a system-based, insert-player-here running maching for a reason.

Our running game is simply outshined by the brilliance of our passing game. If you want to talk about a team being multi-dimensional in the passing game the Broncos would be the ultimate example. With Marshall, Royal, and Stokley it’d be hard to find a better overall receiving core in the NFL. And we aren’t too bad at TE either with Graham, probably the best blocking TE and Scheffler (one of the most underated NFL players imho). Few teams have more legitimate threats in the passing game and on top of that have a QB that I would not trade for any other in the NFL. Our offensive line also leaves little to complain about. When you have these things going for you…why emphasize the run?

Many team have also heard about the Broncos weakness in the run defense and have had an unfortunate surprise that the Broncos aren’t as soft as they had heard. Ask the Jets, Falcons, Saints, Chiefs, etc and they’ll tell you the Broncos bring more to the table than some might think. Furthermore, the improvement since week one has been dramatic. Simply…we are not the same defense now that earned it’s reputation in the first half of the season. So…feel free to overlook the Broncos if you’d like. I think you’ll be surprised.

GO BRONCOS!!!

by UnarmingMermaid on Dec 11, 2008 2:32 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You can add TB to the list.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Dec 11, 2008 2:33 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seriously...

Our 2ND best WR, some would say 3rd best, is frequently said to have the athletic talent of Smith without the attitude problem. He has more receptions than Smith (he also missed games with injury…don’t recall how many off hand). And is a ROOKIE!!!!

Talk about multi-dimensional.

GO BRONCOS!!!

by UnarmingMermaid on Dec 11, 2008 2:42 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There is no doubt that Denver has elite receivers in spades.

But I wouldn’t take anything away from Smith either. He faces a lot of double coverage because he is the only major threat in the passing game, and he doesn’t have Cutler passing to him.

I wouldn’t compare Smith with any of the Denver receivers. He’s in a tougher spot, and still excels (as would several of our recievers if they were in CAR). The only help Smith gets (but it is a lot of help) is that he has a run game to distract the defenses.

We’re all good.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Dec 11, 2008 2:48 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree that Smith is good.

But the point I was responding to was that the Broncos are not a multi-dimensional team.

Thus, I was pointing out the WR that some would consider our 3rd best is often compared to Smith and has more receptions. I think it’s a mistake to think a team can only be multi-dimensional by balancing the rushing and passing game. Obviously the Patriots emphasized the passing game last year (and to a lesser degree this year) but few would argue that they are a not a multi-dimensional team.

GO BRONCOS!!!

by UnarmingMermaid on Dec 11, 2008 3:28 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can readily agree with that.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Dec 11, 2008 3:31 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, he must be good if they're comparin him to the best ;)

Of course back when Smitty use to play in single coverage was 2003 and part of 2005. 2003 he helped us make it to the Superbowl, 2005 he led the league in receptions, yards and TDs.

So yer little rookies got a ways to go.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Dec 11, 2008 4:00 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well sure he has a ways to go...

Let me remind you that he is a ROOKIE!!! That means he will only get better and that is a scary prospect.

GO BRONCOS!!!

by UnarmingMermaid on Dec 11, 2008 4:04 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Furthermore,

Marshall gets double covered every game as well and is still averaging more receptions per game and more TDs per game then Smith is.

GO BRONCOS!!!

by UnarmingMermaid on Dec 11, 2008 4:07 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In all fairness

if Smith had JC (or any other elite QB) throwing to him instead of Delhomme I think he would be ranked #1.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Dec 11, 2008 4:36 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

btw SlowWhiteGuy...

welcome to MHR…I see you just signed up today.

But are you a Broncos or Panthers fan? It seems like only a Panthers fan would really think Smith might really be the best WR in the NFL. Granted he is very, VERY good…but simply doesn’t have the physical qualities to be the best OVERALL WR in the league.

He is great at what he does and the unique role that he plays.

GO BRONCOS!!!

by UnarmingMermaid on Dec 11, 2008 4:51 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I compared Royal to Smith earlier in the year....

I didn’t think Royal was quite as good as Smith is now, but I see the potential to be great in Royal. I’ve noticed that Steve Smith is streaky…he is either having a really good year or a really crappy one. I hope Royal is more consistent.

This is my GAP, there are many like it but this one is mine. Without my GAP I am useless, without me, they will run through my GAP. I will protect my GAP and have my brothers back on his. I will not be moved from my GAP, I am a crazed dog that patrols this area and will defeat all who entire it. I own this GAP, it is mine. I bought it with blood and sweat. I will not be pushed. I will not be moved. This Sunday I will make a stand and a statement.

by Zappa on Dec 11, 2008 4:54 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My mistake SWG...

I looked at your profile and thought your ‘last sign on date’ was the date you had joined MHR. Looks like you’ve been around awhile. Sorry.

GO BRONCOS!!!

by UnarmingMermaid on Dec 11, 2008 5:59 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cut me...

and I bleed orange and blue. I also think you need to have a healthy respect for your adversary.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Dec 11, 2008 7:03 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sweet!
It seems like only a Panthers fan would really think Smith might really be the best WR in the NFL.

Steve Young is a Panthers fan! I had no idea, but it’s cool to know!

Then again, he did spend about 10 minutes on ESPN the other night complaining about Delhomme and the Panther passing game. He must be a die-hard Panther fan!

by r3 on Dec 12, 2008 12:24 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh c'mon dude!

I admitted he was good.

If you’re really going to try to argue he’s the best in the NFL then what do you have to base that on?

No…Steve Young’s dumbass opinion does not count.

GO BRONCOS!!!

by UnarmingMermaid on Dec 12, 2008 12:34 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Best?

Who needs to argue “best”? Such an arbitrary way of looking at things.

I was just making a joke. Steve Young said he was the best. And if Steve Young says it…

Gospel.

But really, I do know that he’s the best at attacking the ball when it’s in the air. He’s the best when it comes to getting off the line and beating press coverage. Route running is good, speed is fine, run blocking is excellent, lots of those things we look for in receivers.

He’s damn fine. Best I’ve ever seen in person, but that’s not an exclusive list. Better than Andre Johnson, or Larry Fitzgerald, or Brandon Marshall? Hell if I know. But I’d take him over TO and Moss without any qualifications.

by r3 on Dec 12, 2008 10:33 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actualy,

…when Denver has run the ball, they’ve done very well. The problem seems to be a move away from a run first version of the West Coast towards a pass-o-holic variant of the Spread Offense. Even our fifth and sixth string RBs have done well.

We just don’t seem to hand our RBs the ball much. (The win over the Jets featured some extra-nice running, if you ask me. Denver fans haven’t seen a beautiful, power, one-cut runner since either Anderson or Davis).

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Dec 11, 2008 2:32 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Running from the Spread

I’ve wondered why we don’t run out of the spread more often. Seems like many college teams run effectively from a spread and it would seem to fit Bell’s skill set better. I remember
a MNF game against the Bears when Shanahan built an entire game plan around it.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Dec 11, 2008 3:36 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Running from the Spread, or at least a 3 WR set, is pretty much all we did with Hillis.

I’d be surprised if that doesn’t continue with Tater and Boyd.

GO BRONCOS!!!

by UnarmingMermaid on Dec 11, 2008 3:38 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not the same...

the spread is a conceptual framework to an offense; 3WR is a formation. You can run the spread with 2WR; WCO with 4WR.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Dec 11, 2008 3:46 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah...but at some point I think we're focusing too much on semantics...

when the desired end is the same. I may of misunderstood your point…but I took it to be ‘why don’t we spread the field so that there are less players in the box to make it easier to run up the middle?‘. Which is what I believe they have been trying to achieve with the 3-4 WR, often a TE lined up at the slot position, sets and a single back. I understand the difference between a scheme and a formation; however, the ultimate point of a ’spread’, as the name would suggest, is to stretch the defense.

GO BRONCOS!!!

by UnarmingMermaid on Dec 11, 2008 3:55 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm thinking less...

in terms of stretching the field and more in terms of achieving more balance. Bates/Cutler seem to like the spread offense but it allows defenses to sit back in a zone. Running out of the spread, with a fast slashing runner like Bell, can reek havok against a soft zone.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Dec 11, 2008 4:40 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also...

It can be easier to run a power back out of a single back formation (like a 3 WR set + TE) than a speedy back (like Bell).

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Dec 11, 2008 5:23 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Chicken or Egg??

Ok HT, now that I understand what you’re talking about in terms of offensive phillosophy, do you think our weakend, sixth-string running game benefits from the pass-o-holic spread attack? Or, does our lack of running prowess make the spread attack a necessity?

To me, it seemed the reason we had so much success in the NYJ game running the ball was that we were in 3WR, single back sets and the Jets had an extra DB in the game, allowig Casey/Chris/Ben to handle Jenkins and Vilma, and Hillis spent the entire day running over DBs. Once Jay started to light-up the secondary, we ran even better. It was like the running game benefited from the passing game, not the other way around.

"Choose the sword, and you will join me. Choose the ball and you join your mother, in death. You don’t understand my words, but you must choose. So… come boy, choose life or death."

by ButteBronco on Dec 11, 2008 3:43 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lots of good stuff in your comments.

We did well against the Jets for several reasons. (The most surprising to me was how well the pass game worked in the rain).

One reason is that we ran a powerback out of passing formations. Another is that the Jets seemed to gameplan for a pass heavy attack. I agree that it was the running game that benefited from the passing game in that respect.

As to the first part of your question, I honestly can’t be sure. Even if our running backs are virtual unknowns, it does benefit them to run against a team that is trying to stop the pass (as well as running behind a terrific OL). But does that make the spread offense a necessity?.

In my mind, for this particular match-up, I’m ok with us going pass heavy. If we can get some traction with the RBs, it would be nice to let them do their thing, but I don’t like the idea of us engaging in a run vs run game. In my mind (and I’m no offensive planner), I think Denver needs an early lead, and a big enough lead that CAR feels they have to start passing much more. But if we go with a pass heavy game, it is still crucial that Jay doesn’t go for the big, deep plays. If he passes like he did against TB (take what they give us underneath / move the chains carefuly), that’s the best way to go in my opinion. I don’t know if the spread attack per se is the requirment, as much as passing the ball in high percentage, short to medium gains.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Dec 11, 2008 5:35 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks HT...

It will be interesting to see how it goes down this weekend. I can’t wait!!

"Choose the sword, and you will join me. Choose the ball and you join your mother, in death. You don’t understand my words, but you must choose. So… come boy, choose life or death."

by ButteBronco on Dec 12, 2008 9:38 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Now now.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Dec 11, 2008 2:29 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As usual, great stuff HT

A question to LittleKing and southtunnel. Do y’all get stuff this good at CSR? I stumbled across the MHR less than a year ago and am thrilled with the info I get. I, or anyone else for that matter, could never find stuff like this in the msm.

Col. Sandurz: Prepare ship for light speed!
Dark Helmet: No, no, no, light speed is too slow!
Col. Sandurz: Light speed, too slow?!
Dark Helmet: Yes, we're gonna have to go right to . . . ludicrous speed!
Col. Sandurz: Ludicrous speed?! Sir, we've never gone that fast before. I don't know if the ship can take it.
Dark Helmet: What's the matter Colonel Sandurz? Chicken?

by orangeblood on Dec 11, 2008 1:35 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

CSR has some good writers too

But I did enjoy this one. The problem with Panther Blogs is that being such a young team, they don’t have near the fan base as you guys. That makes commenting a little on the light side.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Dec 11, 2008 1:40 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You guys have a good site, and it just takes time to build up.

MHR has grown steadily under Guru, and the key seems to be that everyone keeps things on a friendly basis. Unlike a lot of sports blogs (major newspapers and sports sites), we try to be friendly to each other and to folks who don’t come in talking trash. Because of that, we have members who contribute a lot of insight and feel comfortable sticking around (England, including a student studying at Oxford, Australia, Denmark, a physician, lawyers, a salary cap expert, older folks with historical team perspectives, several HS level coaches, etc).

Whatever topic comes up, from legal to medical to financial to Xs and Os, we seem to have good folks who contribute. In fact, we’re planning a major get together at the ‘08 training camp, and looking forward to meeting each other. But I’m sure Guru would say that it was hard work and a lot of time before the site paid off.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Dec 11, 2008 1:50 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You have a new fan.

I’ll be going to the game this weekend with my 9yr old nephew. It’ll be his first time at an NFL game. For some reason he is a Carolina fan. We live in Redskins country. I understand though. I was born and raised in Skins country and could give a flip about them. I love me some Broncos.

Col. Sandurz: Prepare ship for light speed!
Dark Helmet: No, no, no, light speed is too slow!
Col. Sandurz: Light speed, too slow?!
Dark Helmet: Yes, we're gonna have to go right to . . . ludicrous speed!
Col. Sandurz: Ludicrous speed?! Sir, we've never gone that fast before. I don't know if the ship can take it.
Dark Helmet: What's the matter Colonel Sandurz? Chicken?

by orangeblood on Dec 11, 2008 1:57 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I, too, have enjoyed this exchange...

…with the good folks over at CSR. You’ve got some knowledgable, articulate and honest contributers and you all seem friendly. Looks like you’ve got something good going on over there.

It also looks like this could be the kind of game real football fans love with a great running team versus a great passing team. Which ever way it goes, I wish you all well and hey, wouldn’t it be fun to meet you one more time this year?

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Dec 11, 2008 2:00 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You never know.

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Dec 11, 2008 2:01 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

AH!

Verrrrrrry nice!

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Dec 11, 2008 2:03 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I read a couple of good articles over there recently.

SB Nation has some quality blogs out there.

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Chiefs, Raiders, what’s the difference? It’s hard to see in the basement! - hoosierteacher 12/4/08

by Zappa on Dec 11, 2008 2:35 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm bias

but yeah, I think we put up some good stuff. But since I’m one of the contributors, I’m probably not the best one to comment. We do our best and are working to increase our readership. MHR’s is definitely larger. Jaxon started it before our 2007 season, and to his credit keep going through that hard season, with Jake being out. Hard time to start a blog. This year has been fun though.

by LittleKing on Dec 11, 2008 3:14 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I appreciate the comments

Nothing like a winning season to expand the readership! I’ve enjoyed the conversation with MHR. The Guru writes good stuff and HT’s game analysis in this post is top notch and on the $. You won’t find this anywhere else but on a dedicated blog run by fans.

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Dec 11, 2008 9:23 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, we are pretty spoiled with the writers over here.

I really love reading HT’s Chalk Talk for each week’s opponent as well as his MHR Football University classes (or posts). He really explains a lot of the football terminology, schemes, and stuff like that.

Once I stumbled across MHR, I really don’t need to go anywhere else for Bronco news. The one thing I like about over here is the cross-blog Q & A threads.

"It doesn't dissipate" ~ Mike Shanahan

Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 7

by weazel on Dec 11, 2008 11:09 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

classic!

This is my GAP, there are many like it but this one is mine. Without my GAP I am useless, without me, they will run through my GAP. I will protect my GAP and have my brothers back on his. I will not be moved from my GAP, I am a crazed dog that patrols this area and will defeat all who entire it. I own this GAP, it is mine. I bought it with blood and sweat. I will not be pushed. I will not be moved. This Sunday I will make a stand and a statement.

by Zappa on Dec 11, 2008 3:55 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BTW

I make it no secret Chalk Talk is my favorite regular feature here at MHR. Recommended!

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Dec 11, 2008 3:59 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I appreciate that Counselor.

Comments like yours make the time very worthwhile. Thanks so much.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Dec 11, 2008 5:36 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Even if i am out of town

I make sure to read the Chalk Talk. It is the best post on the SB Nation.

It all starts in the trenches HT 11/11/08

by firstfan on Dec 11, 2008 11:49 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

This is my GAP, there are many like it but this one is mine. Without my GAP I am useless, without me, they will run through my GAP. I will protect my GAP and have my brothers back on his. I will not be moved from my GAP, I am a crazed dog that patrols this area and will defeat all who entire it. I own this GAP, it is mine. I bought it with blood and sweat. I will not be pushed. I will not be moved. This Sunday I will make a stand and a statement.

by Zappa on Dec 12, 2008 8:04 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+2

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Dec 12, 2008 12:00 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks to all of you guys.

I can’t tell you how much I appreciate the kind words. You guys rock!

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Dec 12, 2008 12:51 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL!

There is only One Moment—this moment—the Eternal Moment of Now

by sirsam on Dec 12, 2008 1:30 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exceptionnally good HT!

I don’t know where you find the time to do it, but you can rest assured, that all of your input is greatly appreciated!

by metalman5050 on Dec 11, 2008 5:21 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks Metal

I find the time whenever I can, often when I should be sleeping! My newest job comes with a pager (which I hate), but most of my work is in the early morning hours. I have to get to bed early most nights (about 8 est), but I grab whatever time isn’t family time at home. (I can’t use the computers at work).

Guru is awesome about not putting pressure on the staff to write constantly. I try to get up a Chalk Talk during the season, and a University during the reloading season, stay active in fan post comments, and do either an additional story or a couple of fan posts a week. Some weeks are tougher than others, but I try to keep the quality up more than anything.

The big motivator for me is seeing everyone at MHR putting up posts and comments on their favorite team, and the good community we have with each other here. It’s time well spent!

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Dec 11, 2008 5:43 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I sure hope so!

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Dec 11, 2008 6:13 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hoosier=Indiana?

Just my guess.

"During MHR Radio we laugh, sing, listen, shed a few tears, and learn all of Papi's dirty secrets." -TSG 12/7/08

by papigrande on Dec 11, 2008 9:12 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I live in Indiana

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Dec 12, 2008 12:49 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As a football purist...

…that’s the best game to watch this week IMO. But I’d rather watch Denver, ‘cause Denver’s my team.

: )

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Dec 13, 2008 9:28 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thx for the map, RiG

This is disturbing –
The game telvised here in Carlsbad is the Oakland game, and not even the SoCaler’s want to watch those debacles! Give me Broncos!

Jim Goodman for Broncos MVP!

by broncobear on Dec 11, 2008 8:42 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Broncos last three games will be televised down here in SoCal.

"It doesn't dissipate" ~ Mike Shanahan

Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 7

by weazel on Dec 11, 2008 11:11 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

dang...I get the faders and forty whiners up in norcal. :(

This is my GAP, there are many like it but this one is mine. Without my GAP I am useless, without me, they will run through my GAP. I will protect my GAP and have my brothers back on his. I will not be moved from my GAP, I am a crazed dog that patrols this area and will defeat all who entire it. I own this GAP, it is mine. I bought it with blood and sweat. I will not be pushed. I will not be moved. This Sunday I will make a stand and a statement.

by Zappa on Dec 12, 2008 8:04 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Purgatory!

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Dec 12, 2008 12:02 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

more like hell.

At least I don’t have to hear the following statement too often anymore:

TTTTTOUCCCHHHHDDDDOOOOOWWWWWNNNNNNNN RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAIDDERS!

This is my GAP, there are many like it but this one is mine. Without my GAP I am useless, without me, they will run through my GAP. I will protect my GAP and have my brothers back on his. I will not be moved from my GAP, I am a crazed dog that patrols this area and will defeat all who entire it. I own this GAP, it is mine. I bought it with blood and sweat. I will not be pushed. I will not be moved. This Sunday I will make a stand and a statement.

by Zappa on Dec 12, 2008 1:22 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the silver lining.

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Dec 12, 2008 5:13 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Where did you get that?

just curious-
Socal doesnt get the broncos this week, we get Pitt@BAL…

by RiG on Dec 12, 2008 6:22 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In San Diego they are.

Check out this website. http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2008-15-CBS2.html

The DEN/CAR game will be on CBS at 1 PM PST because the Chargers are in KC and will be on at 10 AM.

Next week SD plays TB and that game got bumped from SNF to 10 AM. Denver is at home and at 1:05 PM.

"It doesn't dissipate" ~ Mike Shanahan

Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 7

by weazel on Dec 12, 2008 8:11 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks!

We should – more Broncos fans here than SD or Oakland

Jim Goodman for Broncos MVP!

by broncobear on Dec 12, 2008 2:48 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great post HT

I have a hard time reading all your guy’s stuff, much less posting. Keep it up. I love it.

by danelama on Dec 11, 2008 8:46 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice analysis Hoiser

I agree with most of what you stated. I would say though there is no way Panther DC Mile Trgovac won’t blitz, especially if the Panthers get a lead. He will keep blitzing even if it doesn’t work. Not constantly but fairly regularly.

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Dec 11, 2008 9:18 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I may not have worded my thoughts well.

It’s not that I don’t think they will blitz, it’s that I don’t think that they should. Cutler is unlikely to get pressured. He has a legendary OL, and he’s mobile, and has a quick release. If I was scheming to foil him, I’d just play a patient zone and let him get too aggressive.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Dec 12, 2008 1:01 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice analysis as always HT.

This will be another tough road test for the Broncos. If they play the way they have been on the road lately, this should be one very interesting game.

"It doesn't dissipate" ~ Mike Shanahan

Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 7

by weazel on Dec 11, 2008 11:14 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HT...

Great job as always.
I have a feeling in my bones that Shanny is about to unleash Cory Boyd.
A big pounder with pass catching skills coming in late with fresh legs??? This is only a good thing in my eyes. I think Shanny might have a go with the running game this week….
Should be a great game.
Thanks!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.

by boydy2669 on Dec 12, 2008 7:42 AM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks everyone for the very kind words!

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Dec 12, 2008 1:02 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bucs over Panthers! Are you serious!

Has you alligator mouth overloaded your hummingbird butt. The Broncos can’t win. No losses at home this season for the Panthers, and the Brocos are going tocome into town and do what no other team has been able to do? Air mut be getting alot thinner in Denver.

Not a chance. Panthers 37 Broncos 15 (7 scored in 4th qtr on desperation)

Panthers move on to NY after Giants suffer a defeat in Dallas, for the NFL game of the year. To early to call that one, but pleeze….Broncos? Get real.

by SteveinCarolina on Dec 12, 2008 3:27 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who are you talking too?

Uhm, I picked the Panthers over the Broncos (didn’t like it). And where did the Bucs (in your comment title) figure in?

Did you even read the article? I clearly picked the Panthers. I hope the Panther play this Sunday as well as you read!

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Dec 12, 2008 3:49 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Classic.

Could you take a picture of your face when the clock hits 0:00 on Sunday and then email to me? Thanks! :-)

This is my GAP, there are many like it but this one is mine. Without my GAP I am useless, without me, they will run through my GAP. I will protect my GAP and have my brothers back on his. I will not be moved from my GAP, I am a crazed dog that patrols this area and will defeat all who entire it. I own this GAP, it is mine. I bought it with blood and sweat. I will not be pushed. I will not be moved. This Sunday I will make a stand and a statement.

by Zappa on Dec 12, 2008 4:11 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Atlanta

was also undefeated at home before the Broncos cames to town. Cutler and his men play thier best ball on the road, while you guys are just getting back to form at home. What was your home record last season? 2-6? Your having a great season but I wouldn’t take us lightly, we are dangerous and can beat any team out there when we hit on all cylinders.

by BroncoJoe87 on Dec 12, 2008 4:52 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

""Not a chance. Panthers 37 Broncos 15 (7 scored in 4th qtr on desperation)""

Why would you think the Broncos score eight points? [15-7=8 for the faint of mathed]
How the ** is that going to happen? the broncos would have to get a saftey

by RiG on Dec 12, 2008 6:32 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The public education system in the South is notoriously terrible...

Steve can’t read. He can’t do math. He thinks the Panthers have a chance. Steve is obviously a product of failed promises.

I’m sorry Steve. I’m sorry the system failed you.

GO BRONCOS!!!

by UnarmingMermaid on Dec 12, 2008 9:26 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No no, you've got it completely wrong!

He’s predicting THREE safeties!

Two FGs and a safety in the first three quarters, the another field goal and two more safeties in the final quarter!

It’s just how his brain operates. We’ve tried medication, but it doesn’t seem to help.

Castration is the next option. We’re crossing our fingers that it’ll do the trick.

Ever read Faulkner’s The Sound And The Fury? Well, the first section is a pretty fair reflection of the inside of Steve’s mind.

by r3 on Dec 12, 2008 10:43 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks r3

Much appreciated. Best of luck to you guys, and here’s to no injuries.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Dec 13, 2008 9:31 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks to you, HT!

Man, I am looking forward to this game as much as I’ve looked forward to any game this season! This is going to be great!

Thanks so much to you, and Guru and Zappa and all the other guys who’ve helped, both here and on CSR, with our understanding of the Broncos. It helps so much to understand the intricacies of the team you’re playing against, and you guys have been so thorough and responsive and positive that this almost feels like a divisional game!

Consider me enrolled at MHR U! I’ll have to take my classes through the distance ed department!

by r3 on Dec 13, 2008 10:57 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Enrolled?

Consider yourself faculty!

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Dec 14, 2008 8:39 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL

Photobucket

You will be surprised. And Zappa, I think his face will be most photoable in about the 3rd quarter. By the 4th, he’ll probably be either crying or throwing things.

"During MHR Radio we laugh, sing, listen, shed a few tears, and learn all of Papi's dirty secrets." -TSG 12/7/08

by papigrande on Dec 12, 2008 4:44 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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