Does Marshall Drop Too Many Passes?
Much has been made recently on television (especially during the Cleveland Browns game as Braylon Edwards was also on the field) about Brandon Marshall's drops. Does he really drop the ball more than he should?
As a disclaimer, let us first get out of the way the idea that a dropped pass is a subjective measure, and as such isn't a fully accurate statistic, like yardage or number of touchdowns which can clearly be shown to be an exact (or at least rounded to nearest yard) value. The data I found on number of drops was provided by Stats, Inc and I could not find their definition of a drop anywhere, so technically the could be counting pretty much anything. I think, however, most reasonable individuals would define a drop as something along the lines of "a pass thrown to a receiver which is not recepted (by the receiver in question) but is touched by both hands of the receiver." If anyone CAN find Stats, Inc's definition, please do share!
First, a look at raw number of drops. Brandon Marshall is third in the NFL in drops with 11, behind Dwayne Bowe (13) and Braylon Edwards (16!). However, as many of us may know, Marshall also leads the NFL in "targets" (number of times thrown to, another subjective, albiet less so than drops, stat), with 146 targets, eight above Andre Johnson who has even played one more game. So is it really fair to say, based on raw number of drops, that Marshall drops too many passes? Nay I say.
I went looking for a "drop rate" stat, and the only one I stumbled upon was receptions per target. This isn't quite the same though; many receivers are deep threats, and do not get as many catchable passes as a possession receiver or someone like Joseph Addai who is constantly receiving checkdowns from Manning. We should be proud to note, however, that Eddie Royal ranked 12th and Tony Scheffler ranked 18th in this catch per target category among players with 3.125 targets per game in the AFC!
Anyways, to concoct the results below I took the 20 players with the most drops from the AFC and from the NFC, and divided their drops by their number of targets, to obtain a drop rate. Note that you could also use these results to determine "uncatchable target rate", another interesting stat.
AFC
| Player | Drops | Targets | Drop Rate |
|---|---|---|---|
| Braylon Edwards | 16 | 120 | 0.133 |
| Marshawn Lynch | 7 | 60 | 0.117 |
| Joseph Addai | 4 | 37 | 0.108 |
| Jabbar Gaffney | 6 | 57 | 0.105 |
| Dwayne Bowe | 13 | 128 | 0.102 |
| Anthony Gonzalez | 7 | 70 | 0.100 |
| Marcedes Lewis | 6 | 61 | 0.0984 |
| Justin Gage | 6 | 63 | 0.0952 |
| Ronald Curry | 4 | 43 | 0.0930 |
| Chris Johnson (Ten) | 5 | 58 | 0.0862 |
| Dustin Keller | 5 | 64 | 0.0781 |
| Brandon Marshall | 11 | 146 | 0.0753 |
| Hines Ward | 7 | 98 | 0.0714 |
| Chad Johnson | 6 | 89 | 0.0674 |
| Laverneus Coles | 6 | 90 | 0.0667 |
| Santonio Holmes | 6 | 92 | 0.0652 |
| Ted Ginn Jr. | 5 | 79 | 0.0633 |
| Dallas Clark | 4 | 76 | 0.0526 |
| Matt Jones | 5 | 105 | 0.0467 |
| Randy Moss | 5 | 109 | 0.0459 |
NFC
| Player | Drops | Targets | Drop Rate |
|---|---|---|---|
| Madison Hedgecock | 6 | 12 | 0.500 |
| Marques Colston | 8 | 51 | 0.157 |
| Koren Robinson | 6 | 49 | 0.122 |
| Warrick Dunn | 6 | 52 | 0.115 |
| Rashied Davis | 6 | 64 | 0.0938 |
| Hank Basket | 4 | 45 | 0.0889 |
| Calvin Johnson | 9 | 110 | 0.0818 |
| Frank Gore | 5 | 65 | 0.0769 |
| Bernard Berrian | 6 | 80 | 0.0750 |
| John Carlson | 5 | 67 | 0.0746 |
| Muhsin Muhammed | 6 | 85 | 0.0706 |
| Reggie Bush | 5 | 71 | 0.0704 |
| Amani Toomer | 5 | 72 | 0.0694 |
| Bobby Wade | 5 | 72 | 0.0694 |
| Santana Moss | 7 | 107 | 0.0654 |
| Roddy White | 8 | 128 | 0.0625 |
| Terrel Owens | 7 | 117 | 0.0619 |
| Donald Driver | 5 | 82 | 0.0610 |
| Steve Smith | 6 | 104 | 0.0577 |
| Jason Witten | 5 | 95 | 0.0526 |
Conclusions
As you can see, discounting poor Madison "Butterfingers" Hedgecock who only has 12 targets anyways, Braylon Edwards (who anecdotally was dropping too many passes) and Marques Colston "lead" their respective conferences in drops per target. Clearly our list also incorporates some of the best in the league, as I haven't heard anyone complaining about Steve Smith's, Santana Moss' or Randy Moss' hands. The list includes all pass catchers, thus you see some RBs and TEs in there. I don't think this in any way taints our results, because RBs are usually getting short passes and shouldn't drop any more (in my opinioin) than a WR. The TEs that appeared on the list are either great pass-catching TEs or talented youngsters and thus should (also in my opinion) not have a worse drop rate than average receivers either. At any rate, it is doubtful that conducting this study with only WRs would yield any significantly different results.
For these 40 samples, the expected value for drop rate is 0.0924; on average we would see 9.24% of passes thrown at these receivers dropped. The variance is 0.0048 and thus standard deviation (square root of variance) is 0.0696, meaning we would expect that over two thirds of the NFL would have a drop rate from about 0.03 to 0.16.
Furthermore, the Central Limit Theorem allows us to estimate the error in these calculations based on our sample size (40). The average of the samples is 0.0924, and Marshall's drop rate of 0.0753 is below this average. How much does the average of our sample predict the average of the league? Well, the probability that the actual league average drop rate is greater than Marshall's drop rate of 0.0753 is 0.931. Therefore, we can say with about 93% certainty that Marshall does not drop more passes per target than the average NFL player.
This is a Fan-Created Comment on MileHighReport.com. The opinion here is not necessarily shared by the editorial staff of MHR
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I was going to say, "In short, YES!"
One drop is too one too many!
I have pretty good hands(probably couldn’t catch a Cutler thrown ball, but I can catch anything a regular Joe can throw) and I once heard someone say that if a pass is within five feet of you and it isn’t caught then it’s the fault of the receiver. I can’t remember who said it or even if it was anyone important, but it makes sense.
Anyways, back on topic….Catch the damn ball!
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by Tim Lynch on Dec 12, 2008 4:05 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I hear ya
But there is a slight difference between catching a routine ball that hits you in the hands and catching one that Cutler zips at you from five yards away through a pair of defender’s arms.
by MattR on Dec 12, 2008 5:41 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Royal even slightly injured his thumb from one of Jay's throws.
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by weazel on Dec 12, 2008 9:50 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
You also have to consider that Brandon has been playing all year with a hip problem.
He freely admits that the hip problem has been affecting his focus coming out of his cuts. There was an article at Rocky Mountain News a while back in which Brandon was actually ‘ashamed’ of his play over a five week stretch from the end of September through October.
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And last week's young players. Yes!
by Mike Clark on Dec 12, 2008 4:08 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Add in nerve damage to his arm.
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by Steve Nichols on Dec 12, 2008 4:09 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, considering everything--he could be dangerous at 100%.
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And last week's young players. Yes!
by Mike Clark on Dec 12, 2008 4:10 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes...
could be.
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by papigrande on Dec 12, 2008 4:38 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
And he is doing quite well......despite not being 100%.
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by weazel on Dec 12, 2008 9:49 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I forgot to mention this in my post
I was rather curious why I hadn’t really seen mention of the nerve/ligament/muscle damage in the arm this season. I would say it would probably contribute to drops; either the damage itself or the loss of practice.
Jason
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by poorboywilly on Dec 12, 2008 4:18 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Good post bye the way willy--rec'd
The best defense is a good defense!
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by Mike Clark on Dec 12, 2008 4:29 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Very solid stuff.
I struggled with stats in college (huge part of political science), and I’ll take your word for it! lol
Seriously though; good topic, good work, and a rec to you!
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by Steve Nichols on Dec 12, 2008 4:11 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
So this is what happens...
When a mathematician watches football… Just kidding. Great article and very indepth statistics.
As for Brandom Marshall dropping too many passes. He drops 8% of his passes. Hell I’ll take that. FOR NOW!!! ;)
by DeadDrunk on Dec 12, 2008 4:13 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
lol
When I mess with stats I try to make valid conclusions based upon the data: the expected value theorem is nicknamed the “Law of the Unconscious Statistician” because many, many people have computed expected values using a “plug-n-chug” formula derived from the theorem but have no idea how it really works. I wish to avoid being this unconscious statistician :)
If anyone wants more clarification on the math (instead of just the results), I’ll be glad to oblige.
Jason
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by poorboywilly on Dec 12, 2008 4:24 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with what everyone is saying, and will add
that Marshall may be adjusting mentally to the attention Defenses are paying to him.
What I mean his, his focus and concentration is now more geared to beating a double team than catching the ball.
I am not worried.
by Steve O' on Dec 12, 2008 4:23 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
good point--he seems to be double teamed on every play.
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by Mike Clark on Dec 12, 2008 4:30 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Glad you brought this up
It’s interesting to notice the people that have the most drops. You see a lot of running backs with drops which I assume are from screen passes being just a little to far out of reach. It’s a hard route to run as the running back is running away from the quarterback and the pass needs to hit the back just as he is making his cut upfield.
So far as the receivers go, most of the ones with high numbers of drops are the starting receivers who face double coverages all the time. It’s a double edged sword – you pay a receiver millions of dollars and his main job is to catch the ball – he better catch the freaking ball. But then you look at how many times he’s been targeted and some of the insane catches he’s made…you gotta cut him a little slack.
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by nickt84 on Dec 12, 2008 5:32 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
good point
I didn’t really think about the screen pass, which is especially hard because the QB is usually faced up by a couple big D-Linemen when trying to make the delicate pass.
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by poorboywilly on Dec 12, 2008 6:03 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we should have a stat on how often a receiver pulls in an uncatchable ball :)
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by spock on Dec 13, 2008 11:04 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
not all drops are creaed equal, but not all catches are created.
I think the big problem with Marshall during the third quarter of the season, was that he was in a slump by his own standards. He was super productive, and then not so productive for awhile. Comparing him to others raises lesser players mistakes to the caliber of Marshall’s and reduces Marshall’s skills to the level of mediocre players.
I would look to established stats to create a group of “upper tier WRs” and then by watching them and keeping my ear to the ground I would add anyone I had missed to the group, as well as excising benficiaries of contextual considerations.
Amongst that group, I think you could compare Brandon and come to an assessment of his productivity of late.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Dec 14, 2008 11:45 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I would like to see Brandon snatching the ball more,
Eddie Royal does a great job of going and getting the ball. B. Marsh could use a bit of that.
by Steve O' on Dec 12, 2008 6:51 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
He actually does a pretty good job in that regard
but I agree, Royal is outstanding at plucking the ball out of the air rather than trapping it against his body. I don’t see Royal in the list above. I’d love to know what his drop rate is. Maybe now that B-Marsh is more fully healed from his injury he’ll snatch rather than trap the ball a higher percentage of the time.
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by spock on Dec 13, 2008 11:01 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Is there a doctor in the house?
Will Brandon always have the nerve damage? In other words will it eventually fully recover or will he just learn to play better by adjusting to it?
I still say I would like to see Eddie Royal added to Jay’s Offseason Practice squad. Maybe Hillis can join them too, if he isn’t busy working at a used truck dealer during the offseason hauling trucks around the parking lot.
by ThorpeBroncosfan on Dec 13, 2008 5:48 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
I think he said he had numbness earlier but it's much better now
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by spock on Dec 13, 2008 11:06 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Thorpe
We can’t say yet. Different people regenerate tissue at slightly different rates, and sometimes there will be some loss. In general, though, it shouldn’t bother him as much now (he’s said as much, which is good) and will be much better next year.
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by Emmett Smith on Dec 13, 2008 12:05 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
So B-Marsh is in the middle of the pack
on drop rate, which is a much better way than total drops of determining who has good or bad hands. Another way to do the same stat is to simply divide targets by drops to get the number of catchable passes per drop. Braylon Edwards drops one out of every 7.5 catchable balls, Randy Moss one out of 21.8, B-Marsh one out of 13.3. Steve Smith, who we face tomorrow, one out of 17.3. The terminology “targets” is misleading in one respect. The 146 for B-Marsh is not the number of times he was thrown to, but the number of catchable balls out of that total. Dividing the latter by the former would tell us the percentage of time he was able to get open sufficiently to get a catchable ball, and thus give us a rough idea of his ability to get open. What makes it approximate is it wouldn’t tell us how many times the QB checked down to another receiver because his primary wasn’t open. It also wouldn’t take into account the difference between long and short routes, although the average yardage of passes caught (prior to yards after the catch) could be used as a modifier.
Although I imagine we’d all like B-Marsh to have better than average hands, I think the fact that he’s been no worse than average despite the lingering effects of his off-season injury is encouraging.
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by spock on Dec 13, 2008 10:56 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
im surprised reggie wayne isnt on there
it seems to me that he has dropped several passes. at least every indy game i have seen has him dropping passes
by purplesocks on Dec 16, 2008 7:45 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

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