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When you go through and look at defensive stats, there are all kinds of interesting things to look at that tell a defensive story.  However, trying to understand that defensive story can be like trying to read it in Mandarin Chinese.  Is a high number of passes defensed good or bad?  If it's high, does that mean that the defensive player is not very good and offenses are picking on that player?  If it's low does it mean that the defensive player is so bad that he can't defend any passes or does it mean that offenses just don't throw his way? 

What about QH (Quarterback Hits); does a high number of QH and a low number of sacks mean that the player does not get there quite fast enough and therefore a slow player?  Or is it more of, "well at least he did get there, albeit it wasn't fast enough..."?  Finally what about assisted tackles?  Are assists something you want to see a lot of, or not a lot of?  Or does it matter based on position; would you rather see your DL with assists and your LB's without assists or the other way around?

Find out after the bump...

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2008 Denver Bronco Defensive Statistics Through 13 Games

Player

Total Tackles

Solo

Assisted

Sacks

Forced Fumbles

Jamie Winborn

80

59

21

0

0

D.J. Williams

77

57

20

2

0

Marquand Manuel

74

56

18

0

0

Wesley Woodyard

48

44

4

0

0

Dre' Bly

50

42

8

0

1

Nate Webster

65

41

24

2

1

Karl Paymah

36

32

4

0

0

Boss Bailey

40

31

9

0

1

Marlon McCree

29

23

6

0

0

Champ Bailey

28

23

5

0

1

Ebenezer Ekuban

26

22

4

4

0

John Engelberger

25

19

6

1

1

Spencer Larsen

22

19

3

0

0

Marcus Thomas

27

17

10

0

0

Dewayne Robertson

19

16

3

0

0

Josh Bell

18

15

3

0

0

Kenny Peterson

20

14

6

3

1

Elvis Dumervil

20

13

7

5

1

Mario Haggan

13

12

1

1

0

Jack Williams

12

12

0

0

0

Calvin Lowry

18

11

7

0

0

Niko Koutouvides

12

11

1

0

0

Jarvis Moss

12

10

2

2

0

Louis Green

9

7

2

0

0

Vernon Fox

8

7

1

0

0

Josh Barrett

8

5

3

0

0

Nic Clemons

8

3

5

0

0

Josh Shaw

2

1

1

0

0

Totals

806

622

184

20

7

 

As you can see, 23% of the total tackles on this team were not solo tackles. But what does that mean?  Does it mean that players are whiffing on tackles and require another defender to assist or does it mean that defenders are swarming to the ball carrier? 

More intriguing, how does one explain the large disparity between different players and the ratio of assists versus solo tackles.  Wesley Woodyard had only 8% of his total tackles assisted whereas Nate Webster had 37% of his total tackles assisted.  And we cannot say that it is position related because DJ Williams had 26% of his total tackles assisted and Spencer Larsen had 13% of his total tackles assisted.  Then you have anomalies like Jack "JMFW" Williams that have a 0% assisted tackle ratio.  Speaking of Nate Webster, we now pause for a Nate Webster Helmet moment brought to by Reebok Chinstraps Inc.

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I want to focus on our Rushing Defense because our defensive problems all seem to stem from our inability to stop the run, forcing us to put a Safety in the box, putting our DB's in winless battles, giving us a poor Pass Defense; you've heard the song and dance already.  In order to get to the bottom of this assisted tackle dilemma, I think we need to put these assists into perspective and compare our top 3 rushing defensive performances and our bottom 3 rushing defensive performances.  Since it's always good to end on a good note (like our season *fingers crossed*), let's start with the bad:

Week 4 - Den 19 @ KC 33 - KC Rushes For 213 Yards

Player

Total Tackles

Solo

Assisted

Sacks

Forced Fumbles

Marquand Manuel

9

7

2

0

0

Boss Bailey

8

8

0

0

0

DJ Williams

6

6

0

0

0

Dre Bly

6

5

1

0

0

Champ Bailey

6

4

2

0

1

Marcus Thomas

5

4

1

0

0

Kenny Peterson

4

3

1

1

0

Marlon McCree

4

3

1

0

0

Nate Webster

4

3

1

0

0

John Engelberger

3

2

1

0

0

Jack Williams

2

2

0

0

0

Nic Clemons

2

1

1

0

0

Jarvis Moss

1

1

0

0

0

Totals

60

49

11

1

1

In the Kansas City game, 18% of our tackles were assisted and we got run over.

Week 7 - Den 7 @ NE 41 - NE Rushes for 257 Yards

Player

Total Tackles

Solo

Assisted

Sacks

Forced Fumbles

DJ Williams

16

10

6

0.5

0

Calvin Lowry

12

7

5

0

0

Jamie Winborn

8

4

4

0.5

0

Marcus Thomas

6

4

2

0

0

Nate Webster

6

3

3

1

0

Marquand Manuel

5

5

0

0

0

Elvis Dumervil

5

2

3

2

0

Louis Green

4

3

1

0

0

Ebenezer Ekuban

3

3

0

1

0

Jarvis Moss

3

1

2

0.5

0

Dre Bly

2

2

0

0

0

Kenny Peterson

2

2

0

0

0

Dewayne Robertson

2

1

1

0.5

0

Champ Bailey

2

0

2

0

0

Jack Williams

1

1

0

0

0

Karl Paymah

1

1

0

0

0

Totals

78

49

29

6

0

In the New England game, 37% of our tackles were assisted and we got run over worse than the Kansas City game.

Week 10 - Den 34 @ Cle 30 - Cle Rushes For 160 Yards

Player

Total Tackles

Solo

Assisted

Sacks

Forced Fumbles

Jamie Winborn

13

12

1

0

0

Wesley Woodyard

10

10

0

0

0

Marquand Manuel

10

9

1

0

0

Dre Bly

5

5

0

0

1

Karl Paymah

5

4

1

0

0

Calvin Lowry

3

2

1

0

0

Louis Green

2

1

1

0

0

Elvis Dumervil

1

1

0

0

0

Kenny Peterson

1

1

0

0

0

Dewayne Robertson

1

1

0

0

0

John Engelberger

1

1

0

0

0

Ebenezer Ekuban

1

1

0

0

0

Nic Clemons

1

0

1

0

0

Niko Koutouvides

1

0

1

0

0

Totals

55

48

7

0

0

In the Cleveland game we only gave up 160 total yards of rushing which really isn't that bad in my opinion but still qualifies as the last of the bottom 3.  In the Cleveland game, only 13% of the tackles were assisted - the lowest number yet.

So now that we've shuddered our way through our bottom 3 rushing defensive performances, we get to bask in our top 3 rushing defensive performances.

Week 2 - SD 38 @ Den 39 - SD Only Rushes For 80 Yards

Player

Total Tackles

Solo

Assisted

Sacks

Forced Fumbles

Champ Bailey

6

6

0

0

0

Boss Bailey

6

5

1

0

0

DJ Williams

5

4

1

0

0

Dre Bly

5

3

2

0

0

Marquand Manuel

5

3

2

0

0

Marlon McCree

4

4

0

0

0

Karl Paymah

3

3

0

0

0

Nate Webster

3

3

0

0

0

John Engelberger

1

1

0

1

0

Ebenezer Ekuban

1

1

0

0

0

Calvin Lowry

1

1

0

0

0

Totals

40

34

6

1

0

We hold San Diego and their train wreck of a team to 80 yards rushing and 15% of our tackles are assisted.

Week 9 - Mia 26 @ Den 17 - Mia Only Rushes For 75 Yards

Player

Total Tackles

Solo

Assisted

Sacks

Forced Fumbles

Karl Paymah

12

11

1

0

0

Jamie Winborn

8

4

4

0

0

DJ Williams

8

4

4

0

0

Nate Webster

7

3

4

0

0

Jarvis Moss

4

4

0

2

0

Marlon McCree

4

4

0

0

0

Ebenezer Ekuban

4

3

1

1

0

Dewayne Robertson

4

3

1

0

0

Dre Bly

3

2

1

0

0

Elvis Dumervil

3

2

1

0

0

Marquand Manuel

2

1

1

0

0

Josh Bell

1

1

0

0

0

Marcus Thomas

1

1

0

0

0

Louis Green

1

1

0

0

0

Nic Clemons

1

0

1

0

0

Totals

63

44

19

3

0

While we lose to Miami, we only give up 75 rushing yards against the Wildcat Formation and 30% of our tackles are assisted.

Week 14 - KC 17 @ Den 24 - KC Only Rushes For 83 Yards

Player

Total Tackles

Solo

Assisted

Sacks

Forced Fumbles

Wesley Woodyard

8

7

1

0

0

Josh Bell

6

5

1

0

0

Jamie Winborn

4

3

1

0

0

Marquand Manuel

4

1

3

0

0

Dre Bly

3

3

0

0

0

Ebenezer Ekuban

3

3

0

0

0

Josh Barrett

2

2

0

0

0

Vernon Fox

2

2

0

0

0

Marcus Thomas

2

1

1

0

0

Elvis Dumervil

1

1

0

1

0

Karl Paymah

1

1

0

0

0

Mario Haggan

1

1

0

0

0

Dewayne Robertson

1

1

0

0

0

Jack Williams

1

1

0

0

0

Nate Webster

1

0

1

0

0

Totals

40

32

8

1

0

In the most recent victory against Kansas City with the leading rushing Quarterback in the NFL and the same running back that torched us in Week 4, 20% of the tackles were assisted.

So there are the top 3 and the bottom 3 rushing defensive performances by the Denver Broncos so far this year; but what does it all mean?  In our worst performances, we averaged 23% assisted tackles compared to our best performances averaging 22% assisted tackles; hardly definitive.  What happens if we break down our top and bottom 3 even more; by unit?

Our bottom 3:

  • Kansas City - DL 26% assisted, LB 6% assisted, S 23% assisted, CB 21% assisted
  • New England - DL 38% assisted, LB 41% assisted, S 29% assisted, CB 33% assisted
  • Cleveland - DL 16% assisted, LB 11% assisted, S 15% assisted, CB 10% assisted

Out top 3:

  • San Diego - DL 0% assisted, LB 14% assisted, S 20% assisted, CB 14% assisted
  • Miami - DL 23% assisted, LB 50% assisted, S 16% assisted, CB 13% assisted
  • Kansas City - DL 14% assisted, LB 23% assisted, S 33% assisted, CB 9% assisted

Top 3 / Bottom 3 Defensive Assisted Tackles Comparison

 

Defensive Line

Linebackers

Safeties

Cornerbacks

Bottom 3

27%

19%

22%

21%

Top 3

12%

29%

23%

12%

I love doing these statistical posts because I love doing the number crunching and seeing what the numbers show.  While Safety remains consistent, every other statistic virtually flip-flopped between our best and worst defensive performances!  "Great but what does it mean?!"

Let's start with the easiest statistic to dispel which is the Cornerbacks and the assisted tackles.  We do not really want our corner backs assisting in the running game.  Cornerbacks are built for speed, running routes, reacting to receivers, and tracking balls in the air; not shedding blocks, standing their ground, and taking on Tackles who outweigh them by 100+ pounds.  While we afforded with two corners who are not afraid to support the run game, if they are active in assists in the running game that tells me that they are chasing down runners (LJ's 65 yarder), our OLB's are not doing the job properly, and our DL is not getting outside leverage pushing the run back to the inside.

We want our linebackers to have a high assist ratio.  Look at the great linebacking corps in history, and while most of them are lead by a standout Linebacker, more than anything else they play great as a unit.  They all have, albeit cliché, "a nose for the ball" and you always see them involved in a play.  By our Linebackers having a high assist ratio, they are playing well as a unit, maintaining gap discipline, not over pursuing, and all swarming to the ball.

It all seems to start and finish with the Defensive Line; in our worst defensive performances, they averaged 27% assists while in the best they had only 12%.  The Defensive Line's role is dependent on the defensive scheme the team is running.  Do the linemen penetrate or do they occupy blockers?  Do the linemen stunt and twist or just mano-y-mano line up and push someone back?  It looks like for our scheme, we want our Defensive Line to play to the strength of our Linebackers which is their speed.  We want our DL to occupy blockers gap discipline and let those Linebackers swoop in for the kill.  This is also all about trust; the Defensive Linemen need to trust that if they do not make that tackle and keep that Guard, Center, or Tackle busy, that the Linebacker is going to be there and do their job and stop the runner.

In conclusion, assists are a good thing dependent on who is doing the assisting.  Just as you do not want the 90 year old woman moving furniture into your new 3rd floor apartment, you need to show some discretion in who is getting assisted tackles.

Poll
How important is it to have assisted tackles in the correct defensive units?
Assists, schmists; total tackle numbers and solo tackle numbers should be identical.
7 votes
Everyone should have assists; this is a TEAM sport after all.
30 votes
Everything in moderation; some assists are good dependent on position and gameplan.
27 votes
Who cares about assists; I don't care HOW the defense needs to improve they just need to.
23 votes

87 votes | Poll has closed

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Nice post...

I wonder if the assists differ greatly since WW and Co have been in.
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by boydy2669 on Dec 13, 2008 7:24 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

They have

And look at our worst 3 games defending the run, all in a very short span of time – Week 4, Week 7, and Week 10.

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by nickt84 on Dec 13, 2008 7:39 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Nick, nice job

How are Special teams tackles counted, as a defensive stat right? So guys like Winborn would have higher tackling numbers due to being on both Special Teams and the starting defense, is that correct?

by Steve O' on Dec 13, 2008 11:04 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Somewhat

Some defensive stats are kept such as any tackle, even by the offense in the event of a turnover, is a defensive tackle. These are all separated though; specifically the stats from the specific games are game stats and not special team stats.

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by nickt84 on Dec 13, 2008 11:06 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Fascinating!

What this suggests to me is that when the linemen have a high percentage of solo tackles they’re doing a good job at the point of attack. The runners aren’t getting through to the second level. When that happens the other lineman, spread out horizontally across the field controlling their own gaps, don’t have the opportunity to get in on the play before it’s over, whereas the linebackers are coming in and cleaning up. When the linemen have a high percentage of assists it suggests the runners are getting to the second level and the linebackers are making the initial hit with the linemen pursuing from behind.

That leaves me with several questions. One, if player A latches on to the runner and then players B, C, and D come in and help bring him down, does A get a solo or an assist? Is it solo only if he brings the runner down all by himself? Two, I noticed there weren’t too many total tackles in the San Diego game. Did we stop San Diego’s ground game, despite the general notion that our run defense was bad early in the season, or did they simply abandon the run while playing catch-up? Conversely, Wesley Woodyard was in only one of the top 3 performances, meaning only one of the last five games was one of our top runstopping efforts. Yet that’s the period that supposedly coincides with a striking improvement in our run defense. It makes me wonder if the same games would be at the top and bottom if our criterion was yards per carry rather than total rushing yards. Three, Woodyard’s stats are an anomaly. His assist percentage is very low. Does that mean a) that he’s been disciplined in gap control, and/or b) that he’s a sure tackler, getting the runner in his area before anyone else shows up? Conversely, Webster’s assist percentage is very high. Is this a reflection of him “swarming” to the ball, or abandoning gap control in an effort to get in on the action?

I’d be curious about what others make of this. Really an ingenious idea to comb through the stats this way. Nice post!

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by spock on Dec 13, 2008 12:08 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks!

I thought it was very interesting too. Not sure when I was doing the number crunching what it would lead to but there seems to be a very definitive difference between the best games and work games. Now it’s just a matter of trying to explain the difference and duplicate it every game.

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by nickt84 on Dec 13, 2008 3:51 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Question, How did you put the tables on here

I treid to do that but couldnt
did you drag those tables over from somewhere? or make them on here?
thanks

by RiG on Dec 13, 2008 12:35 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Imported them from Word

Zappa actually helped me and had the tables set up in HTML but either there were too many tables, I got to fancy with them, or a bit of both because I couldn’t get half the post to view correctly so just back to plain old Word.

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by nickt84 on Dec 13, 2008 3:49 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

what program were the HTML ones made in?

by RiG on Dec 13, 2008 7:07 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

My take

Assists are really subjective and change from team to team. Its a shame. Honestly what a stat I would like to see more than assists is missed tackles. That to me is way more important to how good a defense is tackling than assists. I have seen years where a Denver LB has very few assists but the defense is real awesome, and other years where there are a lot of assists and crappy defensive play. Plus it always bothers me when a CB, or Safety is a leader in tackles. I can understand that sometimes it is just the scheme they play but I would rather all 3 LB’s lead the team in that stat.
Also to me assists in football are the same as assists in the NHL, it doesnt mean a whole lot. Plus if 5 guys are on the tackle and the one who takes him down is credited with the tackle, do the other 4 get assists? The first 3? I take assists with a grain of salt

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by broncfanstuckinsd on Dec 13, 2008 12:58 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I agree...

missed tackles would be a much more telling stat on how the defense is playing, in my opinion. It’s hard to read any pattern in these assist numbers. Spock suggests that when linemen have a high number of assists, it means the runners are making it to the second level with the linemen in pursuit. What if it means the linebackers are meeting the RB at the line, and the linemen are getting off their blocks and helping clean up?

I would like to see a missed tackle, and tackle for loss breakdown of these games and see if that has any corelation.

Intresting post and rec’ed.

by donbok1 on Dec 13, 2008 1:23 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Very informative

It is nice to see the games analyzed that way, ESPN could learn a thing or two. Maybe PSPN (Pacific Sports Programming Network).

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by dbroncos78087 on Dec 13, 2008 3:27 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

A lot of great posts the last few days.

Just wanted to say thanks to the MHR Faithful. I really enjoyed this take on assists. I will be counting tackles tomorrow now to see if our games falls in line with theses stats.

However, I think there are going to be a lot of run game tackles in this game.

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by YellowStoneBronco on Dec 13, 2008 6:54 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Nick this is great stuff

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by Ted Bartlett on Dec 13, 2008 7:23 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Notice the CD production

In the 3 bad games the CB had a high number of assists compared to the LB. I take that meaning the RB got well down field before taken down. The good games had the LB having higher numbers than the CB (More tackles near the line). I would focus on the level of the defense that has the highest number (Further out = bad).

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by wyoeng on Dec 13, 2008 9:33 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I meant CB (Corner Back) in the above title.

Victor Frankl:

What man actually needs is not a tensionless state but rather the striving and struggling for some goal worthy of him. What he needs is not the discharge of tension at any cost, but the call of a potential meaning waiting to be fulfilled by him.

Everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms – to choose one’s attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one’s own way.

by wyoeng on Dec 13, 2008 10:14 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

What?

You got to be kidding! I would hope that every tackle on the team, is an assisted tackle! That would mean that EVERYONE is getting to the ball. Now, You have a D that is dominating!!!!!!!!!!

by metalman5050 on Dec 13, 2008 10:20 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

As a coach...

…how could I apply your data to improve my team (assuming I were Slowik)?

What stands out the most to you in drawing conclusions from your work on this subject?

Excellent write-up!

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by Steve Nichols on Dec 14, 2008 10:28 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

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