Let's Remember Who We Are Here
I'm upset about yesterday, just like all of you are. We all need to take a deep breath, and calm down, though. It's not time to panic, it's time to focus. I know that that is what the coaching staff is telling the team right now, and I'm taking it upon myself to remind our fan base of it, because we're a big part of this too.
I reside in Cleveland, which is really a pretty good football town. People here love the game, and love their Browns. They frequently handicap the ability of their team to be successful, though, by overreacting to results, and calling the local egomaniac Radio Idiot, (with a definite capital R & I,) Mike Trivisonno, and hollering about how everybody needs to be fired and the whole thing needs to be blown up every 3-4 years. Trivisonno acts really oppressed because he is a Browns fan, and the team never wins. It's like it is some big conspiracy against him, that he was "born and raised in this cockamamie town." (That is an actual quote from Sunday's show.) He spews negativity, and whips the fan base up into a huge, counterproductive negative lather. The Browns organization then pays too much attention to these well-meaning fans and Radio Idiots, and it's well known around the NFL that they allow them to unduly influence their decision-making. Browns fans love football, and are tremendously loyal to their team, but they're a pretty un-knowledgeable and negative bunch, and this is a legitimate obstacle for their organization.
Broncos fans are known to be a very knowledgeable group, and even more than that, to be knowledge-seekers. Look at the membership of MHR, and you'll see evidence of that. We have positive discussions, and knowledge is shared from among the many people who possess it. People actually frequently come on this site and ASK QUESTIONS, of all things. Browns fans spew opinions, and Broncos fan seek knowledge. This is an enormous difference.
We're part of a great fan base here, and we can serve as good examples for those who need us to, such as the posters on other sites, or some inappropriately negative members of the media. This site represents the very best of the Broncos Nation, and we need to remember that, and accept it as our responsibility.
We're all upset, but there is a great opportunity ahead this week. Nothing which has happened in the past has any bearing on what will happen in the future. Football games are independent events, which are made up of many smaller independent events. Reggie Corner knocking the ball out of Brandon Stokley's hands Sunday had nothing to do with any other play in the game. There was an event, and an outcome, and it finalized the larger outcome of the larger event. On Sunday night, there is a great opportunity, and we need to be positive for our team leading up to the game, and also after it, win or lose.
I'm a Denver Broncos fan, a member of the Broncos Nation, and a part of the staff of the best Broncos site on the internet. No trolls, or members of the mainstream media who have no idea what they are talking about, or anybody else can cause me to act in a way which is counter-productive to the success of my team. What we say and do matters, and we are a part of the team's success or failure.
We're not fair-weather fans, like those of some other nameless teams, we're Broncos fans. We all want what is best for our team, and we stick with them through good times and bad times. Our fanhood has been challeged, but we won't waver, because that is not what a Denver Broncos fan does. We'll seek knowledge, and have productive discussions, and evaluate our team objectively. We'll renew our season tickets, or go to NYC for the draft, or watch every game on Directv. We'll live and die with our Broncos, but we'll remember to see the big picture, and we'll realize that this season has been very much a net positive, regardless of the outcome of Sunday's game. We're Broncos fans, which are the best kind of fans that there are. Let's all get a hold of ourselves, and remember who we are.
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Totally agree
As Jay Cutler said after the game, if they knew at the start of the season it’d come down to the last game at San Diego, they’d have taken it.
It’s one thing to question the decision to stop the very good defensive play against the Bills in the first quarter by abandoning the blitz scheme while it was still working (make them beat it, damn it!) but another to make generally negative remarks.
The Chinese say that a crisis combines danger and opportunity, so let’s see the game next Sunday night as as opportunity.
To bear up under loss, to fight the bitterness of defeat and the weakness of grief, to be victor over anger, to smile when tears are close, to resist evil men and base instincts, to hate evil and to love love, to go on when it would seem good to die, to seek after the glory and the dream, to look up with unquenchable faith in something evermore about to be, that is what any man can do, and so be great.
Zane Grey
by bradley on Dec 22, 2008 2:21 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I have to argue with Jay's quote
I am sure if you asked them at the begining of the season and said you will be up three games with four to go, would you take it, of course they would. Then you tell them you will blow that lead and need to beat SD at home to get in, would you take that? I have heard that response a lot and I think it is BS, I rather he said, I am freaking PO and want to kick ass, I can’t believe we are in this position, I will play better, no one will work harder than me, we will find a way to make it right. That’s what I want to hear.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
by Broncoman on Dec 23, 2008 1:57 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont know where the best place to say this is so ill say it here in the top thread
Pope and Young were both placed on IR today making it now 7 RBs on IR. You have to wonder if the training staff are doing their job correctly with all of these injuries
by purplesocks on Dec 22, 2008 2:26 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd 100%
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Dec 22, 2008 2:27 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Oops.
Meant that as a reply to the story by Ted. But I agree with Purplesocks too. I have long been calling for an audit of our conditioning program in stories and posts I’ve authored.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Dec 22, 2008 2:29 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
That's amazing...
seriously, has anyone checked to see if we broke some kind of “injury at a position” record this year?
I wish Woody Paige was our coach!
by bcfunk on Dec 22, 2008 2:33 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I asked that very question.
It has to be a record…when put into context for playing for the division title in the seasons final game.
This is my GAP, there are many like it but this one is mine. Without my GAP I am useless, without me, they will run through my GAP. I will protect my GAP and have my brothers back on his. I will not be moved from my GAP, I am a crazed dog that patrols this area and will defeat all who entire it. I own this GAP, it is mine. I bought it with blood and sweat. I will not be pushed. I will not be moved. This Sunday I will make a stand and a statement.
by Tim Lynch on Dec 22, 2008 2:52 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta be a record
I was astonished at all the injuries Seattle had at the WR position earlier this year (that’s why we got a draft pick for Colbert) but I think only two or three of them had to go to IR.
To bear up under loss, to fight the bitterness of defeat and the weakness of grief, to be victor over anger, to smile when tears are close, to resist evil men and base instincts, to hate evil and to love love, to go on when it would seem good to die, to seek after the glory and the dream, to look up with unquenchable faith in something evermore about to be, that is what any man can do, and so be great.
Zane Grey
by bradley on Dec 22, 2008 2:55 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
It's like the Broncos are some new Government jobs creation program for running backs.
This is my GAP, there are many like it but this one is mine. Without my GAP I am useless, without me, they will run through my GAP. I will protect my GAP and have my brothers back on his. I will not be moved from my GAP, I am a crazed dog that patrols this area and will defeat all who entire it. I own this GAP, it is mine. I bought it with blood and sweat. I will not be pushed. I will not be moved. This Sunday I will make a stand and a statement.
by Tim Lynch on Dec 22, 2008 4:09 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Holy Moley!!
Pope and Young both? What have we done to piss off the gods so badly? Well, it looks like Cory Boyd gets his chance, because Tatum Bell is not the answer.
To bear up under loss, to fight the bitterness of defeat and the weakness of grief, to be victor over anger, to smile when tears are close, to resist evil men and base instincts, to hate evil and to love love, to go on when it would seem good to die, to seek after the glory and the dream, to look up with unquenchable faith in something evermore about to be, that is what any man can do, and so be great.
Zane Grey
by bradley on Dec 22, 2008 2:36 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's all the
“any back can run for a 1,000 yards” comment that’s mindlessly repeated by everyone and their brother. Perhaps the gods wanted to get their due. I tell you what I would do if I were the “next” Broncos RB, I’d refer to myself as a WR who happens to line up behind the QB.
I wish Woody Paige was our coach!
by bcfunk on Dec 22, 2008 2:42 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
That didn't work for Hillis
who was a FB who happened to line up behind the QB!
"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game
"Superman wears Peyton Hillis pajamas" - FlaBronco
by DesertBroncoFan on Dec 22, 2008 4:07 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Injuries are just injuries
I heard this question posed on local talk radio here in Denver a few weeks ago. Jim Armstrong laughed at the idea that the training staff is to blame. It’s not like these guys are not prepared. There is just incredibly bad luck for the Broncos’ players this season.
I don’t think it has one thing to do with the training staff as Steve A. (head trainer) is one of the best in the business (as I’ve heard).
by Gimmons on Dec 22, 2008 3:00 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Either way injuries have been a big problem for the Broncos this year.
by broncoholic on Dec 22, 2008 3:02 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes Sir Broncoholic
I don’t think Denver gets enough credit at home or nationally for the remarkable job they’ve done with the amount of injuries they faced!
by Gimmons on Dec 22, 2008 4:39 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
As pappy told me
and I tell my kids when they face adversity, “It builds character!” Well, this season is building our team’s character. If they maintain the right attitude, win or lose, they will be a better team for it next season. I love watching our guys and haven’t been this jacked about a Broncos season since ’98-99. Great post TB!

I wish Woody Paige was our coach!
by bcfunk on Dec 22, 2008 2:29 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Can't wait for next year.
This year was definitely an improvement and our team did learn a lot of lessons. I hope we do get into the play-offs so the team has the experience when the make the play-offs again.
by broncoholic on Dec 22, 2008 2:35 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
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by EastCoastBronco on Dec 22, 2008 3:04 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Take it back! Mel gibson RULES! lol
I would give ALL THE DAYS…FROM THIS DAY TO THEN….FOR JUST ONE CHANCE….ONE CHANCE…TO COME BACK HERE AND TELL OUR ENEMIES – THAT THEY MAY TAKE OUR LIVES, BUT THEY WILL NEVER TAKE OUR FREEEEEEEEEEEDOM!
This is my GAP, there are many like it but this one is mine. Without my GAP I am useless, without me, they will run through my GAP. I will protect my GAP and have my brothers back on his. I will not be moved from my GAP, I am a crazed dog that patrols this area and will defeat all who entire it. I own this GAP, it is mine. I bought it with blood and sweat. I will not be pushed. I will not be moved. This Sunday I will make a stand and a statement.
by Tim Lynch on Dec 22, 2008 4:10 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Good post Ted.
There is only One Moment—this moment—the Eternal Moment of Now
by sirsam on Dec 22, 2008 3:23 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Nice Ted....
Yep, we have butchered some games, but we are who we are. An average team with an INCREDIBLE opportunity to be great in the next couple of years.
I feel strangely calm….I am a BIG believer in fate and karma, and I believe the Broncos, for the team, for Cutler, for our fans and the WHOLE organization need to go in and face their demons at Qualcom.
Nothing would be better than to beat these guys on their own turf. It would allow us to go into next year with a MASSIVE psychological edge over the chargers, and would be a HUGE mental boost for our developing team,
A win like this would make me feel we have a chance against Indy as well.
Sport is all about ebb and flow, winning against the odds and doing the impossible, or highly unlikely. From both sides of the spectrum, this is what we have with our team.
A team that can exhilerate and devastate all within a 2 week span.
I am not counting our guys out.
GO BRONCOS!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
by boydy2669 on Dec 22, 2008 3:34 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I'm there
I was certainly quite pissed when we lost the Buffalo game, but I am not nor have I ever called for the ownership, management, or coaches’ heads. Shannahan and these players definitely do not have quit in them. They will go out and give us a great game, which I might mention is on Sunday Night Football, so ALL in Broncoland will be able to see the regular season finale. Can you really ask for anything better than a meaningful last game of the season that everyone can enjoy?
Jason
The Hanging Curve
by poorboywilly on Dec 22, 2008 4:19 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Upset but still very proud
I have to admit that I was very upset myself. But at the end of the day (and season that is) I’m still extremely proud of this team. I’ve been watching football for 20 years now and I cannot ever remember a team having to deal with this much injuries in one season. With the 7 RB’s including FB, the carousel at LB and S. All this and we were in first place in our division from week 1. That’s also a reason for concern because we should’ve wrapped this division up weeks ago. But it is what it is and there no reason to whine about it now. Whether we make to the playoffs or not, I’ll still be around wearing by Orange & Blue. You always hear the “There’s always next year” speeches, but I really do think in the next few years we’ve got a great chance of doing some big things with the amount of young players we have. Our offense is Super Bowl caliber, especially the O-Line. We just really need to fix our defense. I don’t know what it is but for the last decade we just can’t seem to get it right. I’m hoping we can get it right before Champ is too old. He’s already wearing down a little bit. It’s going to be tough this Sunday, but I will definitely be cheering my A#$ off! So let’s go along with Ted and show our boys some support!!! Go Broncs!!!
by piggphat on Dec 22, 2008 5:48 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
+1
This is my GAP, there are many like it but this one is mine. Without my GAP I am useless, without me, they will run through my GAP. I will protect my GAP and have my brothers back on his. I will not be moved from my GAP, I am a crazed dog that patrols this area and will defeat all who entire it. I own this GAP, it is mine. I bought it with blood and sweat. I will not be pushed. I will not be moved. This Sunday I will make a stand and a statement.
by Tim Lynch on Dec 22, 2008 6:02 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
From a philosophical stanpoint...
I completely disagree when you say “Nothing which has happened in the past has any bearing on what will happen in the future… Reggie Corner knocking the ball out of Brandon Stokley’s hands Sunday had nothing to do with any other play in the game.” That is the opposite of my perception of reality.
If you are arguing a variation of David Hume’s argument that ‘the past is not necessarily an indication of the future’ then I would agree. However, the present and future are inevitably closely correlated to the events of the past. Stokley would not have been in that possision if it was not for everything that preceded it in that game and in the season.
That being said, I agree that undue pessimism is not helpful. However, at this point, criticism of the Broncos is certainly not ‘undue’. I refuse to allow what I perceive to be gross incompetence simply slide for the sake of ‘optimism’. Win or lose this weekend…it’s clear we have serious issues that need to be addressed and ignoring it is not a legitimate option to me.
by PosterNutbag on Dec 22, 2008 6:33 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
The situation is dependent...
but the outcome on that play is independent. I am speaking in terms of the final outcome only. That play didn’t mark our team as good enough to make the playoffs, or not good enough. It was an event with an outcome, that unfortunately was not favorable. That’s all I meant.
"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy
by Ted Bartlett on Dec 22, 2008 7:20 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta love Bronco Nation
Deep philosophical debate from a guy named Nutbag.
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by EastCoastBronco on Dec 23, 2008 7:45 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Some of us do get the reference in the user name
Not heading to Hampton by any chance are ya?
by MattR on Dec 24, 2008 6:51 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Not in the plans yet;
rumor is they’ll be in CO for 4 straight at the Rocks so I’ll probably wait around for that.
You?
by PosterNutbag on Dec 25, 2008 10:18 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes I agree, but we still need to support our team as much as possible.
If this team makes it to the play-offs this year, they will have a lot of experience for years to come. That is why this game is so important. Win or lose…this will be the game that teaches them to make plays when the game is really important. This game will hopefully give them a sense of urgency that might not have been there throughout this season.
by broncoholic on Dec 22, 2008 6:44 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I will always 'support' the Broncos...
However, I get tired of being attacked by the ‘cult of positivity’ in everythiing American.
I’m tired of being told that I can’t be critical of our government, or education system, or football team, etc. without being a ‘traitor’.
It is okay to be critical. It’s okay to be angry and frustrated. And it’s okay to express those frustrations. It’s frustrated people expressing their frustrations that has often been the catalyst for great change in the world.
Shutting up and being ‘positive’ doesnt’ make me a better fan.
by PosterNutbag on Dec 22, 2008 6:52 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not telling you how to feel...
or attacking you. What I am saying is that there is a level-headedness about Broncos fans which has contributed to the long-term success of the franchise. I can assure you that nobody will like it very much if we become one of these change-coaches-every-three-years organizations. That’s a bad, bad place to be,
"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy
by Ted Bartlett on Dec 22, 2008 7:26 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah...I wasn't meaning that rant to be aimed at you; although I can see how it came off that way.
I’m just bum hurt from the loss and needed to vent about it.
by PosterNutbag on Dec 23, 2008 1:10 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I have done it seven times this year....
It doesn’t dissipate.
This is my GAP, there are many like it but this one is mine. Without my GAP I am useless, without me, they will run through my GAP. I will protect my GAP and have my brothers back on his. I will not be moved from my GAP, I am a crazed dog that patrols this area and will defeat all who entire it. I own this GAP, it is mine. I bought it with blood and sweat. I will not be pushed. I will not be moved. This Sunday I will make a stand and a statement.
by Tim Lynch on Dec 23, 2008 1:31 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
True.
I’m angry too because my friend is a Charger fan and keeps reminding me about how the Broncos might blow a 3 game lead. I get so tired of it. Especially from the media.
by broncoholic on Dec 22, 2008 7:02 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
This game is not a foregone conclusion, by any measure
People act like the Hochuli play gave the Broncos 35 points, and otherwise it was a blowout. It was a close, back-and-forth game, and this one should be too. Both teams are good on offense and bad on defense.
"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy
by Ted Bartlett on Dec 22, 2008 7:29 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
It didn’t give them 35 points, but it did give them another chance they didn’t deserve and wouldn’t otherwise have gotten.
Bolts from the Blue // "It is what it is." - A.J. Smith
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Dec 22, 2008 10:47 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
And the Broncos have given the Chargers another chance they wouldn't otherwise have gotten. I say we are even now.
This is my GAP, there are many like it but this one is mine. Without my GAP I am useless, without me, they will run through my GAP. I will protect my GAP and have my brothers back on his. I will not be moved from my GAP, I am a crazed dog that patrols this area and will defeat all who entire it. I own this GAP, it is mine. I bought it with blood and sweat. I will not be pushed. I will not be moved. This Sunday I will make a stand and a statement.
by Tim Lynch on Dec 22, 2008 11:06 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Had the referees given the Chargers another chance they wouldn’t otherwise have gotten, I’d agree. The two things just aren’t comparable.
Bolts from the Blue // "It is what it is." - A.J. Smith
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Dec 22, 2008 11:11 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
There is no sense going down this road
as I said elsewhere, it is a deadend around these parts.
Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.
by Jeremy Bolander on Dec 22, 2008 11:22 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I already realized that. See my comment at the bottom of this thread. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Bolts from the Blue // "It is what it is." - A.J. Smith
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Dec 22, 2008 11:27 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
This game is for all the marbles
so what has happend in the first 16 weeks in pointless now.
"It doesn't dissipate" ~ Mike Shanahan
Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 9
by weazel on Dec 23, 2008 2:04 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Think about it though...
If Ed Hochuli made the right call in week 2, the Chargers would be in the play-offs and this next game for the Broncos would be meaningless(even though I hope the Broncos annihilate the Chargers anytime they play them).
by broncoholic on Dec 22, 2008 7:32 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Your assuming that everything else would be the same
Perhaps things might have changed if they lost. They might have said “oh no -we better get our act together” and won the KC game. Anyways, what’s done is done. What can the Broncos do to move forward.
1) Play hard against the chargers. Possibly go to the playoffs and earn experience.
2) Reload on defense (and possibly get another RB) using the draft and possibly FA.
3) Evaluate the staff. People get evaluated on their performance on the job and so should Broncos staff.
4) Be stronger next year.
5) Let HT be a consultant.
Like any battle, you re-evaluate after losses then make positive changes. Note that this doesn’t necessarily mean replacing people.
Victor Frankl:
What man actually needs is not a tensionless state but rather the striving and struggling for some goal worthy of him. What he needs is not the discharge of tension at any cost, but the call of a potential meaning waiting to be fulfilled by him.
Everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms – to choose one’s attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one’s own way.
by wyoeng on Dec 22, 2008 8:56 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Good post Ted.
This has been one crazy roller coaster season and after calming down from the loss, you are totally right that despite the collapse of a two game lead we are still one game away from a playoff berth. That is a situation many didn’t think would happen. A lot of positive things happened this year and with a good defensive draft and a solid RB, we will be an awesome team in the next 2-3 years.
"It doesn't dissipate" ~ Mike Shanahan
Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 9
by weazel on Dec 22, 2008 7:48 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Great post Ted
and this is certainly a sentiment that the Broncos can embrace as well going into this game. We are a team that is digging its roots in, and only just beginning to flourish, while SD was a full grown badass whose roots seemed to have shriveled up. The fact that they would even consider dwelling on the Hochuli call tells you where their self belief is, and the fact that they went on to fail to reach every reasonable benchmark set for them this season is an indictment of their self worth.
The Chargers have earned one shot at the division, despite the widespread belief that it should be handed to them without a fight, while Denver, a team without a chance, has earned not one, but THREE shots at the division crown. What can’t be forgotten is that an inexperienced team like Denver may need three chances to get in, to figure out how to get it doen, but a team like the Charger’s is simply out of excuses. That their season has come down to this is a failure, and now both they and Denver are int he same boat: one shot at redemption, for all the marbles.
Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.
by Jeremy Bolander on Dec 22, 2008 9:16 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
and rec'd.
Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.
by Jeremy Bolander on Dec 22, 2008 9:16 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Earned is probably the wrong word. Given three shots, sure, but not earned.
Bolts from the Blue // "It is what it is." - A.J. Smith
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Dec 22, 2008 10:48 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Then San Diego was given ONE shot...they didn't earn this one shot..it was given to them. :)
This is my GAP, there are many like it but this one is mine. Without my GAP I am useless, without me, they will run through my GAP. I will protect my GAP and have my brothers back on his. I will not be moved from my GAP, I am a crazed dog that patrols this area and will defeat all who entire it. I own this GAP, it is mine. I bought it with blood and sweat. I will not be pushed. I will not be moved. This Sunday I will make a stand and a statement.
by Tim Lynch on Dec 22, 2008 11:07 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The Chargers earned their shot by winning the last three weeks. The Broncos “earned” their three shots at locking up the title by cashing in on a chance to win a game they had already rightfully lost.
Bolts from the Blue // "It is what it is." - A.J. Smith
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Dec 22, 2008 11:12 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Feel free to ignore that or respond to it knowing I’ll ignore any further discussion of it. I don’t care to pollute your thread any more than I already have.
Bolts from the Blue // "It is what it is." - A.J. Smith
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Dec 22, 2008 11:13 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
I know it is tough for Charger’s fans to sit on their opinions of the Hochuli call, but there really isn’t any traction to gain here. And both teams have earned their way into the position they are in. To claim anything less is to disparage everything that these professionals stand for, and the work they go through everyweek. Not every team has 8 running backs go down during the course of a season and still find a way to compete for a title, and not every team loses its #1 defensive contributor and its DC and still finds a way to rally at the end of the year.
Both teams have won and lost games since week two, and that work can’t be ignored. If Denver loses a road game to the falcons then this game is meaningless, but they got their job taken care of. Just because they did it before people were talking about playoff seeding doesn’t make it any less valuable than any other win by any other team.
Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.
by Jeremy Bolander on Dec 22, 2008 11:32 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Well said
I will add that my biggest pet peeve about the whole Hochuli thing is that everybody talks about what if that ONE call was made correctly. But if we correct that one call, then at the least shouldn’t every other team in the league get to pick one incorrect call to reverse? Or what about if every single call by every official was changed to the correct one? I bet the standings would look quite a bit different around the league right now.
by MattR on Dec 23, 2008 9:32 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Bro,
I don’t care to pollute your thread any more than I already have.
It’s too late.
"It doesn't dissipate" ~ Mike Shanahan
Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 9
by weazel on Dec 23, 2008 2:02 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Classic!
This is my GAP, there are many like it but this one is mine. Without my GAP I am useless, without me, they will run through my GAP. I will protect my GAP and have my brothers back on his. I will not be moved from my GAP, I am a crazed dog that patrols this area and will defeat all who entire it. I own this GAP, it is mine. I bought it with blood and sweat. I will not be pushed. I will not be moved. This Sunday I will make a stand and a statement.
by Tim Lynch on Dec 23, 2008 8:45 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit, I see.
Bolts from the Blue // "It is what it is." - A.J. Smith
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Dec 23, 2008 10:29 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Nor is yours my friend.
This is my GAP, there are many like it but this one is mine. Without my GAP I am useless, without me, they will run through my GAP. I will protect my GAP and have my brothers back on his. I will not be moved from my GAP, I am a crazed dog that patrols this area and will defeat all who entire it. I own this GAP, it is mine. I bought it with blood and sweat. I will not be pushed. I will not be moved. This Sunday I will make a stand and a statement.
by Tim Lynch on Dec 23, 2008 10:39 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought you said
you were going to ignore any further discussion…….Oops.
"It doesn't dissipate" ~ Mike Shanahan
Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 9
by weazel on Dec 23, 2008 7:16 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh my God man....get over it.
Do you think that maybe…just MAYBE the Broncos might have won a few of the games they lost if hochuli had made the right call in Week 2? Or do you think cause and effect isn’t real? No matter what this final game was going to matter. Get off your high horse and enough with the trolling man. Come on! Are you that afraid of the Broncos that you have to come over here and talk about Ed freakin’ Hochuli and fake stats made up by some flawed theoretical models used on DVOA?
Talk real football, like matchups or weather or something. I’m tired of the co-opting of threads here and its irritating. I don’t have a lot of time to check new comments…we actually have a pretty busy site here and I don’t enjoy getting sidetracked by irrelevancies. Yes I could ignore you, but I am Irish and I don’t do aloof too well. Talk CURRENT football or hit the road.
This is my GAP, there are many like it but this one is mine. Without my GAP I am useless, without me, they will run through my GAP. I will protect my GAP and have my brothers back on his. I will not be moved from my GAP, I am a crazed dog that patrols this area and will defeat all who entire it. I own this GAP, it is mine. I bought it with blood and sweat. I will not be pushed. I will not be moved. This Sunday I will make a stand and a statement.
by Tim Lynch on Dec 22, 2008 11:41 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The truth hurts, huh?
No, I don’t think they would have won more games had they lost in Week 2. The Broncos are a young team lacking leadership. I think a tailspin would have been more likely than a strong rebound, but I’m giving them credit for what they actually did rather than playing the “what-if” game. I don’t think you know what trolling means. I was very cordial. You’re the one who took an aggressive stance in our back-and-forth. I’m not afraid of the Broncos. They’re 8.5 point underdogs for a reason. BFTB was dead last night and I was still interested in discussing football, so naturally I came to MHR (which is an excellent blog, btw). The fact that you feel the need to reject the reality of Hochuli and stats that put yardage into context says more about you than it does me.
Fine, I’ll talk “real football.” The Chargers are better at almost every position on the field and will almost certainly take back that which is rightfully theirs on Sunday. I generally prefer not to get into prognostication, but rather discuss that which has already happened. You know, so I can deal with reality rather than fantasy, but I get why you prefer the latter.
Bolts from the Blue // "It is what it is." - A.J. Smith
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Dec 23, 2008 10:37 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course not. One play changed and nothing else changes....lol
No cause and effect in San Diegoland. The truth doesn’t hurt because I am not denying reality like you are. I don’t play what if’s. The Broncos had tons of horrible calls this year that cost us games…the Jacksonville game specifically. I don’t blame the refs for blowing the division title for us. It is what it is, move on. Charger fans apparently don’t know how to do this and even if they lose this Sunday they will all agree that they were somehow robbed this year of a playoff berth. No blame will be placed on a team that underachieved all year long. No blame will be placed on the horrible management of the front office. No blame will be placed on anyone but the referees.
If the Chargers are really better at every position then why have they only won 7 games this year? Oh, let me guess…the refs are the blame. Statistically, I’d say the Chargers are not better at QB, RB, WR, OL, or TE…but hey stats don’t matter either in San Diegoland. Talent is what matters and talent wise and on paper the Chargers are better at every position…looks more like a paper tiger to me. Fantasy is right I suppose… I forgot that stats don’t matter, stats are fantasy. lol You realize yet that all we are doing is pointless? Why bother? We both think the other is full of crap, so what’s the point? Why waste your time here?
This is my GAP, there are many like it but this one is mine. Without my GAP I am useless, without me, they will run through my GAP. I will protect my GAP and have my brothers back on his. I will not be moved from my GAP, I am a crazed dog that patrols this area and will defeat all who entire it. I own this GAP, it is mine. I bought it with blood and sweat. I will not be pushed. I will not be moved. This Sunday I will make a stand and a statement.
by Tim Lynch on Dec 23, 2008 10:44 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The reality of Hochuli...
is that if that play were correctly ruled a fumble, the Chargers would have won on a fluke play, which they did absolutely nothing to cause. It would not have indicated any superiority whatsoever. I understand the angst, but the reality is that it was a back-and-forth game, and that the Chargers had 3rd and goal from the 10, 4th and goal from the 5, and a 2 point conversion which they still could have stopped, only they couldn’t. THAT is the entirety of the reality.
"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy
by Ted Bartlett on Dec 23, 2008 11:04 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Be ready for another whiny response. Uhg I am sick of hearing it. It's like dealing with a three year old.
This is my GAP, there are many like it but this one is mine. Without my GAP I am useless, without me, they will run through my GAP. I will protect my GAP and have my brothers back on his. I will not be moved from my GAP, I am a crazed dog that patrols this area and will defeat all who entire it. I own this GAP, it is mine. I bought it with blood and sweat. I will not be pushed. I will not be moved. This Sunday I will make a stand and a statement.
by Tim Lynch on Dec 23, 2008 11:23 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
but at least
a 3 year old has an excuse. They are 3.
somethings wrong, Trying to conquer these fears i thought were gone. And it's been so long, I'm dying to live in a world i don't belong
by broncfanstuckinsd on Dec 23, 2008 11:40 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
So where is this Bronco bar in San Diego that weazel was speaking of?
This is my GAP, there are many like it but this one is mine. Without my GAP I am useless, without me, they will run through my GAP. I will protect my GAP and have my brothers back on his. I will not be moved from my GAP, I am a crazed dog that patrols this area and will defeat all who entire it. I own this GAP, it is mine. I bought it with blood and sweat. I will not be pushed. I will not be moved. This Sunday I will make a stand and a statement.
by Tim Lynch on Dec 23, 2008 11:55 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
In Solana Beach
Check out you F.U.B.A.R thread. I put it in there with a link as well.
"It doesn't dissipate" ~ Mike Shanahan
Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 9
by weazel on Dec 23, 2008 7:22 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Got it. I'm going to have to check it out for sure!
This is my GAP, there are many like it but this one is mine. Without my GAP I am useless, without me, they will run through my GAP. I will protect my GAP and have my brothers back on his. I will not be moved from my GAP, I am a crazed dog that patrols this area and will defeat all who entire it. I own this GAP, it is mine. I bought it with blood and sweat. I will not be pushed. I will not be moved. This Sunday I will make a stand and a statement.
by Tim Lynch on Dec 24, 2008 8:28 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s fascinating that such a quality blog has such a childish author on its staff. Your inability to remain civil while having a debate does a disservice to SBN, MHR and everyone associated with either.
Bolts from the Blue // "It is what it is." - A.J. Smith
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Dec 23, 2008 1:49 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry. I'm not the one who promised to leave the Ed Hochuli stuff alone and then continued on talking about it.
I am what I am. I have remained as civil as possible considering the smug superiority you have mostly displayed concerning the team this blog represents. I already had to listen to the whining and crying of Charger fans back in week 2. Thankfully, I didn’t have to listen to it between then and now and I frankly don’t give a damn whether you think one call would have made a difference in the rest of the season. It’s pointless, but I am the one who is acting like a child. So be it. If Guru wants to fire me then he has that right…but the only way he can silence my voice is by banning me.(All he really has to do is tell me to shut the hell up, but I have received no such request)
And if you consider yourself the benchmark of civility then I will take your comment as a compliment. Thank you sir.
This is my GAP, there are many like it but this one is mine. Without my GAP I am useless, without me, they will run through my GAP. I will protect my GAP and have my brothers back on his. I will not be moved from my GAP, I am a crazed dog that patrols this area and will defeat all who entire it. I own this GAP, it is mine. I bought it with blood and sweat. I will not be pushed. I will not be moved. This Sunday I will make a stand and a statement.
by Tim Lynch on Dec 23, 2008 2:23 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I've asked Richard to drop this
It seems like more heat than light. If you guys could let some of this stuff go you would like each other.
"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman
by Brian (DaBolts) on Dec 23, 2008 2:36 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
By 'you guys'
I mean you and Richard.
"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman
by Brian (DaBolts) on Dec 23, 2008 2:36 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
It's possible. I'm not even upset.
I was only defending the perspective of the average Bronco fan. We’re not going to sit here and let another teams fan dictate to us what we should believe. I’ll even show a little constraint here on MHR and not dis Norv to you guys anymore. How’s that? You leave the Ed Hochuli crap alone and we’ll leave the Norv’d crap alone. ;-) lol
This is my GAP, there are many like it but this one is mine. Without my GAP I am useless, without me, they will run through my GAP. I will protect my GAP and have my brothers back on his. I will not be moved from my GAP, I am a crazed dog that patrols this area and will defeat all who entire it. I own this GAP, it is mine. I bought it with blood and sweat. I will not be pushed. I will not be moved. This Sunday I will make a stand and a statement.
by Tim Lynch on Dec 23, 2008 2:53 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention
that Phyllis overthrew a wide open WR that had 5 yards on our DB that would have put them into FG position to win the game.
"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game
"Superman wears Peyton Hillis pajamas" - FlaBronco
by DesertBroncoFan on Dec 23, 2008 12:04 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t forget that pass he made on the first drive that that was wrongly called an interception instead of a first down. The Broncos needed to have one turnover given to them by the referees and another turnover forgiven by the referees to win by one point at home.
Bolts from the Blue // "It is what it is." - A.J. Smith
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Dec 23, 2008 1:50 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, wasn't that call reviewed?
I guess any call that doesn’t go your way is a cheating ass referee!
This is my GAP, there are many like it but this one is mine. Without my GAP I am useless, without me, they will run through my GAP. I will protect my GAP and have my brothers back on his. I will not be moved from my GAP, I am a crazed dog that patrols this area and will defeat all who entire it. I own this GAP, it is mine. I bought it with blood and sweat. I will not be pushed. I will not be moved. This Sunday I will make a stand and a statement.
by Tim Lynch on Dec 23, 2008 2:23 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, and it was beautiful. Dont expect us to feel guilty against a team that is more hated than the Pats. Get over it Dick!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
by boydy2669 on Dec 23, 2008 8:03 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
That they did not commit an unforced error would have been the show of superiority. You don’t have to be that good to be better if the other guy chokes.
Bolts from the Blue // "It is what it is." - A.J. Smith
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Dec 23, 2008 1:48 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
And if my grandmother were a man,
she would have been my grandfather.
"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy
by Ted Bartlett on Dec 23, 2008 2:15 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
jeez
what would your grandfather have thought of that…?
Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.
by Jeremy Bolander on Dec 23, 2008 4:04 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
He'd play with himself? what are you getting at? :P
This is my GAP, there are many like it but this one is mine. Without my GAP I am useless, without me, they will run through my GAP. I will protect my GAP and have my brothers back on his. I will not be moved from my GAP, I am a crazed dog that patrols this area and will defeat all who entire it. I own this GAP, it is mine. I bought it with blood and sweat. I will not be pushed. I will not be moved. This Sunday I will make a stand and a statement.
by Tim Lynch on Dec 23, 2008 4:23 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Ted,
that is right on about Browns fans. My cousin is a Browns fan, and his jealousness of the Steelers shows. He still whines about SB 40 and about how the refs cheated for Pittsburgh. I don’t know if other Brown fans still whine about that game, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they did. They are a negative fanbase that is jealous of the success that the Steelers have had since the Noll era.
by PABroncofan on Dec 23, 2008 6:17 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
I never, ever thought...
I would read the name Mike Trivisonno on this website!!! Hilarious and right on the money, of course, regarding Browns fans. They are a sorry, sorry bunch.
-TSG
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by John Bena on Dec 23, 2008 6:42 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Good post.
Thanks for helping me come back from my drop in belief.
I don’t feel good about the next flex-game, but I know that I will have my D-Will jersey on and my 24oz. mug full. Of Orange Crush.
All Ready!
by precisiontint on Dec 23, 2008 7:48 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
you just reminded me of a dilemma I am having
any help would be appreciated guys:
I bought my first Bronco Jersey ever about a month ago, along with a cool broncos football. I never had much Bronco Gear because working in the Bering Sea was sucha transient occupation, that I didn’t own much of anything.
ANYWAYS, it was a Clady jersey and it was christened by the announcement that Clady didn’t make the ProBowl (despite your guy’s heroic effort to make it happen), followed by the loss to Carolina, Clady hurt his ankle,a nd then we lost to Buffalo….
You can see the situation I am in. I have never owned a jersey before, and I am a huge Boise State fan to go along with being an all around Clady fan… I DON"T WANT TO GIVE MY JERSEY UP! But i can’t argue with results either…. :(
I suppose it could be the football, but I don’t think so. It has a really cool Broncos graphic on it, and I have been teaching my wife how to throw a football with it, and she has been an amazing student. Her longest technically sound throw (and it looked great too) was about 20 yards, which I think is pretty damn good for a girl. A nice spiral, uses her body, just a technically sound thrower, and she never threw before I started to teach her. Anyways, I don’t think the football is bad luck,,,
Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.
by Jeremy Bolander on Dec 23, 2008 2:34 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Wear the jersey
I’m not one to be supersticious, and I could come up with one just the same myself. I wear my jersey to work every sunday except the sunday we beat the Jets. Should I stop wearing it? naw I was wearing the Jersey when we beat the Chargers and I wore it both years we won the SB so I don’t think it matters too much. Wear the jersey and support the players and team we all love.
by BroncoJoe87 on Dec 23, 2008 3:00 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I've had a similar dilemma
I always wear my Blue TD jersey (which I got the season that he blew out his knee – should have been an omen), but the quandary has been what t-shirt to wear UNDER the jersey!
At the start of the season I was wearing a bright orange Bronco Driver Magazine t-shirt and we were winning (I think I wore it during the 1st KC game). For the second fader game, I just wore the t-shirt because we were out hunting quail (and I didn’t want to get anything on the jersey) and we all know what happened then.
I forget if it was for the Browns or Falcons game that I wore a t-shirt that I got while I was in Hawaii this summer, but we won, so I thought that was a good sign. For the Bretts game, we were driving home from my folks house in Tucson and I was wearing just a North Shore Longboard Company t-shirt and we crushed the Bretts. So, now I’ve been trying different combinations of t-shirts that I picked up in Hawaii and it hasn’t worked out so well. Last week, it was pretty cold here in the high desert (32 and snowing – it’s cold for us) so I wore a nice long-sleeve Denver Broncos Equipment t-shirt (with raised lettering) under the jersey and that wasn’t the right combination, apparently.
I’m stuck now trying to figure out what I should do on Sunday. I will wear the jersey, just not sure what to wear under it. Maybe go commando?
"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game
"Superman wears Peyton Hillis pajamas" - FlaBronco
by DesertBroncoFan on Dec 23, 2008 3:47 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
I hadn’t thought about that! I might have to get a hole in my head too! Maybe it was the other stuff I was wearing interfering with the Clady mojo!!! The only kinds of tshirst I wear are the white tagless ones, but it could have been my pants too… or my underwear… I might have to go “True Commando” in order to sort this thing out!!!!!!
And please, nobody tell Clady!
Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.
by Jeremy Bolander on Dec 23, 2008 4:09 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
At least
You never bought a Brian Griese jersey. I did and it was the biggest waste of money. I bought it after his 2000 season. We all know how the Griese experiment ended
somethings wrong, Trying to conquer these fears i thought were gone. And it's been so long, I'm dying to live in a world i don't belong
by broncfanstuckinsd on Dec 23, 2008 7:00 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
My Aunt bought me one back in 1999. I never put it on...I don't even know what happened to it! lmao
I just kept right on wearing my Elway jersey as if he still played.
This is my GAP, there are many like it but this one is mine. Without my GAP I am useless, without me, they will run through my GAP. I will protect my GAP and have my brothers back on his. I will not be moved from my GAP, I am a crazed dog that patrols this area and will defeat all who entire it. I own this GAP, it is mine. I bought it with blood and sweat. I will not be pushed. I will not be moved. This Sunday I will make a stand and a statement.
by Tim Lynch on Dec 23, 2008 7:12 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's prepare for this game.
Buffalo’s behind us and the Chargers are in front of us(not in the standings though). Let’s keep it that way!
by broncoholic on Dec 23, 2008 9:45 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
I am tired of the same ol complaint from this wagon riding town
The bottom line is Denver wins and they are in. Regardless. Both teams this season have lost winnable games. So it does not matter at all anymore. Not one bit. The winner of this game will get Indy the following week. Denver has a great offense and will need every single point they score. I am confident Denver will win. I want this win so badly right now. Nothing would make my Holiday week any better than to keep the Chargers at home for the playoffs
somethings wrong, Trying to conquer these fears i thought were gone. And it's been so long, I'm dying to live in a world i don't belong
by broncfanstuckinsd on Dec 23, 2008 11:19 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Interesting stat...
It seems like sacks would help this team, but the more sacks they have, the more points they lose by. Is it me, or is that just weird?
by broncoholic on Dec 23, 2008 11:27 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
some good news about tatum bell (the ONLY rb on the active roster)*
Set his career high with three rushing touchdowns in the regular season finale at San Diego on Dec. 31.
- at the time of this post
by Sneaky Sean on Dec 23, 2008 4:19 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
It was two years ago
that he did that, but he’ll be in his best shape of the year for the up coming game and looking to prove he belongs in the NFL. If he can look lik Pope did on the first series through the whole chargers game we will win.
by Sneaky Sean on Dec 23, 2008 4:23 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Shanny should tell Tatum that he'll have a job in 2009 if he has a career game against the Chargers....
This is my GAP, there are many like it but this one is mine. Without my GAP I am useless, without me, they will run through my GAP. I will protect my GAP and have my brothers back on his. I will not be moved from my GAP, I am a crazed dog that patrols this area and will defeat all who entire it. I own this GAP, it is mine. I bought it with blood and sweat. I will not be pushed. I will not be moved. This Sunday I will make a stand and a statement.
by Tim Lynch on Dec 23, 2008 4:24 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry. but it's ALL sorry!
What I mean by that is that, this is not about the togetherness!
It is, However about the gettogetherness that you R saying we need right NOW! AND, when we do that, we will win the next game!!!!!!
by metalman5050 on Dec 23, 2008 8:47 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

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