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IN DENVER BRONCO PRE-GAME ANALYSIS

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"There is one certain way," replied the Prince [William of Orange] "by which I can be sure never to see my country's ruin, -- I will die in the last ditch."

The young and battered Denver Broncos go into Qualcomm Stadium as underdogs.  They have led the division after every game this year and beat the Chargers earlier this year, but nobody will give Denver any chance of winning this game.  Does Denver have a chance of winning this game?  Is there any way our beloved team avoids ruin?

Join me.  We will break down the game together, and then on Sunday night each of us can find his or her comfortable couch to watch the game.  As one, we will all fight the good fight, and perhaps avoid having to die in the last ditch.

Star-divide

 (A member of MHR's elite Game Film Analysis Team (G-FAT) researches the SD Chargers for this week's Chalk Talk)

This is it, the game we've all been waiting for.  While many of us are skeptical about just what Denver can do in a postseason game, many of us had hoped only for the chance to be in such a position.  For those of us hoping for a record approaching 10-6 and a chance at a playoff spotnce, this is the the all or nothing shot to get there.

Now Denver won't be 10-6 even with a win.  But for Denver to have done this well despite the numerous IRs this team has had (including 7 running backs) is astounding.  Denver has improved over last year, and has enough youth at enough positions to give the team hope moving forward.  It has been, on the whole, a good year.

But if you're like me, you want to go out in style.  When a team has to end a season, it is much more satisfying to end it in the post season.  That's what I want, and I want it every year.  Making the playoffs is my personal, minimum desire for the team each year.  Can it be done?

Names to watch for SD (offense)

One doesn't have to like the child like antics of Rivers to acknowledge that he is a decent QB.  Rivers is a smart QB that can read a defense and connect with a target.  While he has players in key positions to help him (a top notch RB and a top notch TE, each of whom enhances Rivers' abilities), Rivers is a solid QB on his own.  His line will protect him, his TE will provide a safety valve, and his RB will keep the opposition from focusing on the pass.  But even without that support team, River's would be a threat (he holds the best passer rating currently).

TE Gates, while slowed a little with age, is still a premier receiving TE.  He should match up advantaged against any of Denver's current LBs or strong safeties.

RB Tomlinson is effective in every area of the game (though like Gates, he too is slowing).  Tomlinson is a fast and agile runner with the ability to get through the first level of defenders, but he can catch and even throw.  He is well rounded, and excels in every task.  With his OL blocking for him, he is a major threat to Denver's front seven.

WR Chambers is a qualtiy WR, and enhances what Gates and Tonlinson can do.  While he won't match well against Denver CB Bailey, he will at least keep Bailey from covering Gates (a tactic that Denver used to employ).

Sproles is the #2 RB on the Chargers, but his biggest threat is on STs whenever he touches the ball for a return.  He is a solid spell back for LT.

Names to watch for SD (defense)

The key player to watch is Cromartie.  He is the best CB for SD, and will match against Denver WR Brandon Marshall.  This will be the key duel. 

Jammer is a savvy CB threat on the other side of the field, but WR Royal should get a shot at a few deep passes after faking the comeback.  SD should not respect the Denver running game, and play the SAFs deep to account for the Marshall Royal threat.

In the center of the field (where TEs Graham and Scheffler can do serious damage, as can slot receiver Stokley), SD features a very solid 4 LB look, including Cooper, who seems to get an INT every game lately.

Denver runs the ball

The one cut, Zone Block for Denver should overcome the Phillip's 3-4 System (one gap) that SD runs.  But Denver is down to it's 8th string RBs (if there is such a thing), and the SD defense is quick enough and skilled enough to keep Denver in check.  Denver likely can't run wide either with the SD LBs spread out so far, and SD should have the speed inside to swarm a RB that hits the right gap.

SD runs the ball

SD's OL is very good, and LT is a legend (albeit aging).  Denver's run defense has a reputation for being poor, but it has shown flashes of improvement.  LT should make good gains on Denver, but Denver should hold better than most wirters (who don't even watch a down of Denver football) might think.  If Denver can prevent a break away run, they can keep the game close.

Denver passes the ball

Denver's Pro Bowl QB has (perhaps) the best pass blocking OL in the League.  Cutler can throw to any of three elite level receivers (Pro Bowler Marshall, who runs folks over), rookie phenom Royal, or slot specialist Stokley.  He also has two elite TEs (Scheffler and Graham) to throw too.

Denver's only real weakness is that they almost always have to throw the ball (no RBs), and teams can adapt their defenses for this.  Denver seems to have folded up the West Coast, and switched to a spread.

Cutler should have excellent protection.

SD passes the ball

CB Bailey will smother Chambers, so Chambers should not be a legitimate target.  Jackson will be coverd by Bly.  Bly will only provide effective coverage if he has a free SAF playing "over coverage" on the weak side.  Both Gates and LT should find themselves open often.  Rivers should have excellent protection.

Keys to the game

Denver

  • Do not turn over the ball.  Cutler needs to let the game come to him, and not try to win it all on his own.
  • The defense needs to guard against big plays.  SD will score, but the defense should make SD work for it every drive.
  • STs will likely be key for several field position battles.  Denver's STs need to be at their best.

SD

  • If possible, put away Denver early in the game.  Denver is a young enough team that they might fall apart ina key game if things go south too quick.  Cutler might also get too aggressive with the ball.
  • Tackle Denver's receivers and TEs on first contact.  Denver's receivers aren't so much possession oriented as they are "yards after carry" types, whether they are powerful (Marshall, Graham, Stokley), fast (Royal), or balanced (Scheffler).
  • Don't let the game be close in the final quarter.  Denver is a quick strike team, and can overcome 14 points in a flash.

Prognosis

SD is favored this week.  They are also at home.  They have played well lately, and Denver has come up short.  I have picked for and against Denver this year, and been stunned by loses (KC, Oak, and Buf) and pleased with wins (TB, NYJs, ATL).  This game could go in many directions, including being close or blown out for either team.  On paper, I like the Broncos because of the high flying offense and the better coaching.  On intangibles, I like SD for the home field, the momentum, and the experience on the team.

In the end, it's a very close call.  I'm going to go with Denver, not because they're the better team right now, but because I'm going to take Denver if the choice is too close for me to have a firm opinion.

I feel comfortable that the winning team deserves to go to the playoffs (and a likely quick demise), and the loser did not earn the trip.

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And Hey, George...

…likes the Broncos also.

To bear up under loss, to fight the bitterness of defeat and the weakness of grief, to be victor over anger, to smile when tears are close, to resist evil men and base instincts, to hate evil and to love love, to go on when it would seem good to die, to seek after the glory and the dream, to look up with unquenchable faith in something evermore about to be, that is what any man can do, and so be great.

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by bradley on Dec 26, 2008 4:46 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Great Post HT, once again!

Will our zone block be able to open lanes that will force SD Linebackers to make initial contact 5-7 yards upfield? I think this could be another key, our zone block vs. the Phillips 3-4.

It all starts in the trenches HT 11/11/08

by firstfan on Dec 26, 2008 5:25 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

All things being equal...

…a zone block should best a one gap style of 3-4. But we haven’t been commiting to the run (and runs up the middle even less so). I’m afraid this game will be won or lost in the air, as so many of our games this year have been.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Dec 27, 2008 2:18 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Wilhelm.

in my estimation, is the weakest of the four starters. Even though he has 50 tackles that is due to the fact that Jamal Williams and Louis Castillo “occupy” the O-Line which frees him to make tackles. Against our zone block I think that might be five to seven yards deep in their defensive backfield. I hope this provides some bullitin board incentive for the Broncos to run straight at him. He is 6’4" and 245. I am anxious to see what HT says.

It all starts in the trenches HT 11/11/08

by firstfan on Dec 26, 2008 5:53 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

As a fan, or even when I was coaching...

..I just don’t get caught up in taunting that goes on between games. It’s a distraction if you let it be, and can backfire if it motivates the other team. It’s also low class.

As to Wilhelm himself, I like his run stopping ability much more than his coverage ability. I agree that he gets tackles because other guys plug, but he’s just filling his role and he does a good job of it. I’d be hard pressed to rate the SD LBs 1 through 4. As a group they do a good job.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Dec 27, 2008 2:29 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I felt the same way when I heard the comments.

I personally don’t care what others say about Jay because you can’t really expect a SD player to say good things about him. Do you? I am glad Jay had taken the high road and not responded to him. It would be a waste of time.

"It doesn't dissipate" ~ Mike Shanahan

Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 9

by weazel on Dec 28, 2008 1:42 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

They are trying to get in his head...

Cutler, if we hadn’t noticed, gets rattled. If the Mic in helmet doesn’t work, if the play call comes in late, if he throws an early pick.

They are trying to rattle him, get his focus off what it needs to be…won’t work.

IM NOT THE ONLY ONE when everything is lost that doesn't surrender

by Steve O' on Dec 26, 2008 9:20 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Good post and thankyou for the breakdown HT !

   there are so many side stories subplots and bullshit going into this matchup .
   That i believe that the broncos have the supreme edge in motivation to win sunday.
    Most of the trash talking has been done by the chargers players right now .
      I expect that some of the broncos players should and probably will ( sell out ) so
      to speak when making a key play at a critical time in the game putting health and
    personal well being on the line . The big factor for me is to see some toughness
    from the broncos offensive and defensive lines I am tired of seeing this team push
    the broncos around its time to do some pushing back . And one player in particular
   that needs to be clubbed down to the ground is # 99 DE IGOR OLSHANSKY 6-6
    309 lbs I have been watching and paying attention to this guys plays for 3 games
    now and what i saw has not been good sportsmanship . He is a creep that has to
      delt with ! Here is a short list of some of the things that goes on with this guy.
           Taunting ( trying to start fights often )
        Pushing ( after the whistle blows )
      falling on the pyle ( late )
     head slaps ( 2 times now happened in last years final game )
      Leg whipping ( somrtimes a desperate attempt to bring down a bronco RB )
   Hands to the face jamming ( often )
   And just being a general creep that needs the chip bashed off of his shoulder.
  
     Most of the vilifying usually goes to phillip rivers but i assure you from watching him
     play OLSHANSKY is a bad guy also .
      The sooner the broncos put guys like this back in line they will be well on the road
      to domination of this team .
         sunday nite find time to KEY in on the line play of this dirty creep you will see for
        yourself I dont think he changed his ways in fact he will probably get worse
       especially with this rivalry being smoking hot right now and forever.

by broncosfaninphilly on Dec 26, 2008 6:13 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Olshansky

is pretty much the type of player the Broncos do not want. For all of his “look at me” attitude and penalty-laden antics he onoly has 28 tackles all season. I think our zone blocking will completely neutralize this guy. I think the only time we hear his name will be for a penalty. In the zone block any one of our front five could end up blocking him, but I think it will fall primarily on Kuper and Harris.

It all starts in the trenches HT 11/11/08

by firstfan on Dec 26, 2008 9:28 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

he is a joke

he is in a contract season and has not played well enough to consider his season crappy. I want this game to be won by Denver as badly as any since the Super Bowl wins. I am so tired of the arrogance here in SD. I do get a kick out of the Charger players calling Jay a punk and a whiner. Short memories,if I recall LT and Phyllis whining after NE won the playof game here in SD. Too me it says something when the players are more concerned about a guys act rather than his skill. SD is focusing too much about who Jay is and not what he is

somethings wrong, Trying to conquer these fears i thought were gone. And it's been so long, I'm dying to live in a world i don't belong

by broncfanstuckinsd on Dec 26, 2008 10:53 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

START A FB!

Personally I don’t like the spread scheme, The Broncos need to start A. Pinnock or Leather head Larson at the Fullback position and get back to what got The Broncos to the Super Bowl, runnig on first down and Play action. Shotgun in the red zone Stinks! If M.Shanahan, or R.Dennison, or J. Bates, or whoever is calling the Oplays wants to empty the back field every play, he should put B. Marshall back there and not even put a running back on the field. Why is Pinnock even on the active roster if your not going to use a Fullback?

START A FULLBACK! ! !

TIME OF POSSESSION! ! !

GO BRONCOS! ! !

Tactics without Strategy is the noise you hear before Defeat!

by monodono on Dec 26, 2008 6:23 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Two tight ends...

…is a great way to stop the OLBs from a 3-4 formation, at least in pass protection. But I agree with your overall point. I want to see the ball run more, and run up the gut. For that, we want a FB.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Dec 27, 2008 2:33 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Pinnock was brought in by Marty....

as Lorenzo Neal’s air apparent.
Marty like his skill set of being a iso-blocking FB, but he also has short yardage experience and can catch well out of the backfield.
Pinnock was never a fit in Norv’s finesse scheme.
He is a power FB and he could be a key for us this Sunday.
SO MANY GREAT SUB PLOTS IN THIS GAME. Wouldn’t it be great to see Pinnock put the sword to his old team????

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.

by boydy2669 on Dec 27, 2008 6:31 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Same reason why...

the Lions suck at it. We’d be just like them if not worse if we tried.

"If you don't know where your going you might find yourself somplace else."

by BroncoJoe87 on Dec 26, 2008 7:28 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Several reasons.

Most importantly, our coaching staff hasn’t been willing to drop back both safeties. Second, we don’t have a solid coverage MLB. Third, even though we have the smaller, one gap linemen that you need, they aren’t effective. If we went that route, we would dump Bailey and Bly, who are high priced “man coverage” guys.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Dec 27, 2008 2:36 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

so true

that’s why bly got shipped out of detroit…couldn’t play well enough in the tampa 2.

by Sneaky Sean on Dec 27, 2008 11:29 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't say that.

Bly was very effective in Detroit. He was the number two INT leader in the NFL (behind Bailey) dating back to ’91. The issue was really that he was too good for a cover two program, and really should have been playing in a man system. He became to expensive, and Denver lucked into the trade.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Dec 28, 2008 8:33 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I think the Broncos should run a 3-4 defense.

If Denver has problems stopping the run, then put an extra linebacker in and take a DL out. The extra LB should help stop the run. Plus, look at the Steelers. They use a 3-4 defense and they have one of the best defenses in the whole league.

by broncoholic on Dec 26, 2008 7:24 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

We tried it early on.

It was a complete disaster, we do not have the NT to employ a 3-4. If we were to get a supreme talent at NT for next season it may be possible but this season it is not happening with any success.

"If you don't know where your going you might find yourself somplace else."

by BroncoJoe87 on Dec 26, 2008 7:29 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Right.

The lack of an effictive NT is the key problem.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Dec 27, 2008 2:37 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

and size

at all the front 7 positions. look at the de’s in pitt., and the olb’s. they are big, and they can tackle. not so here, sans d.j. williams.

hear me, perpetrators of bread crime, your punishment is at hand.
taste my blintzkrieg!
all i want for xmas is blitzen.

by davecheffy on Dec 27, 2008 12:30 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Double moves...

Royal’s ability to run routes is his strength, right? So why haven’t we seen him run double moves like in week 1? It can’t be because Jay doesn’t have time to throw to a double move route, so what’s up with the play calling? In week 1, Eddie owned Hall with his route running, now it’s reverses, screens, and go routes. What’s the deal?

by donbok1 on Dec 26, 2008 8:16 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

We've seen some of it...

…including a team record pass play later in the season. But other teams have adjusted too.

One problem with the spread is that so much is going on. At least against Oakland, Jay was focused on one weapon (Royal). I’d like to see a West Coast with less targets, but more precision routes for Jay to choose from.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Dec 27, 2008 2:41 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Royal ran double moves against Buffalo

but Cutler missed him. I believe the long pass play in which Royal wise waaay open but Cutler overthrew him by about five yards was a double move. We only notice a certain kind of route when it’s a completion and we watch Royal running the route in the replay.

"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen

by spock on Dec 27, 2008 5:11 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't be suprised to see Shanny plan out all our offensive plays...

…I really hope he does to. It seems when we stick the script we’re always dangerous. Really, REALLY take some time and plan every little step out. Fundementals dont matter at this point, cuz if we haven’t learned the little things yet, we never will…

Jules: Tell 'em, Vincent.
Vincent: A (Eddie) Royale with cheese.
Jules: A (Eddie) Royale with cheese! You know why they call it that?
Brett: Because of the metric system?
Jules: Check out the big brain on Brett! You're a smart mother******. That's right. The metric system.

by Elway4Prez on Dec 26, 2008 8:35 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks HT,

I can honestly say I haven’t been this pumped up for a regular season game in a long time…I think it was last week…nice work friend!

IM NOT THE ONLY ONE when everything is lost that doesn't surrender

by Steve O' on Dec 26, 2008 9:21 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

NIce work as always, HT

And I hope we get treated to another of your fine pieces in the playoffs!

One Q – Barrett. He seemed to do very well on Gonzales – do you think that he will be assigned to Gates. Gates and LDT both seem to have turned the corner on their health, and minimizing Gates’ damage whould help us a great deal. Thoughts?

Jim Goodman for Broncos MVP!

by Emmett Smith on Dec 26, 2008 10:37 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

We don't have a LB that can cover Gates....

…But while I like Barrett more in the FS role, I think you are correct. Barrett would be effective in the SS role where his job would be to cover Gates. Good thinking!

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Dec 27, 2008 2:43 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the analysis, HT

Despite the odds, despite San Diego’s momentum, despite our lack of same, despite San Diego’s motivation to get us back after that last loss, I think we have a chance. Despite their motivation for revenge, I think it’ll be hard for the Chargers not to see turnabout as a done deal. And the Broncos have played some of their best games when faced with hopeless odds. Tactically, I think we have to blitz selectively and hide when we’re bltizing and where we’re bltizing from more effectively. We also have to run blitz more. We risk big plays, both running and passing, but we don’’t have a choice. We need to make some key third-down stops to get San Diego off the field. We can’t let them just march relentlessly down the field on every drive. I’m hoping that this time Boyd will be ready and will be able to keep San Diego’s defense from focussing on the pass. If anyone can prepare him Turner can. Maybe his last missed opportunity will be a wake-up call. Here’s my fingers-crossed prognostication: Broncos 34, Chargers 30.

"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen

by spock on Dec 27, 2008 5:40 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

HT how do you see Denver containing Sproles this go around?

In week two that man was the only reason they stayed in the game. I hope we have a good plan for limiting his production. Thoughts?

IM NOT THE ONLY ONE when everything is lost that doesn't surrender

by Steve O' on Dec 27, 2008 7:17 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Defensively I have several ideas.

But I know very little about the STs side of things. Here are the things I know are critical for STs coverage:

1) Keep your lane. No matter what your eyes tell you, the runner will get free if the coverage unit converges on the runner instead of keeping the running lanes covered. (Some fancy plays involve players swapping lanes as they go down the field, which is fine. That stuff, as I said, is out of my realm).

2) Open field tackles are a must. A missed tackle is the end of the world in STs coverage.

3) Hang time buys the coverage team time to get to the returner, increasing odds for a fair catch or early tackle.

Knowing as little as I do, I would just hope that our STs guys focus on the basics in practice, and that the STs coach prepares the team well.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Dec 27, 2008 2:35 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Even Champ made a comment about the hidden yardage...we need to win that battle

IM NOT THE ONLY ONE when everything is lost that doesn't surrender

by Steve O' on Dec 27, 2008 4:33 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Vincent Jackson...

Could hurt the Broncos big time. Bly guarding him could be a huge mismatch.

Please don’t give up on the run.

Big time players show up in big time games.

All Ready!

by precisiontint on Dec 27, 2008 8:47 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

they will put a safety over the top for bly

I think they have learned he does MUCH better with a little safety help.

by Sneaky Sean on Dec 27, 2008 8:59 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Bly has looked terrific with a safety zoned behind him...

…even when the safety didn’t have to shift into over coverage. Jackson is good (and underrated), but Bly is more than a match if a safety has his side of the field covered deep, and even better if we can manage a pass rush.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Dec 27, 2008 2:38 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

He plays right side of field so will be against Bailey most times

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.

by boydy2669 on Dec 28, 2008 6:11 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

The comment during the Wed press conf

really has me excited…we had great practices this week and great practice leads to great games. SD will get their points, but I have a feeling our O will put up more.

by Sneaky Sean on Dec 27, 2008 9:01 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

We need to get a lot of pressure on Philip Rivers. If we force him to make bad throws, then our secondary will do the rest.

I also believe that if we can run the ball effectively, we will win this game. The more time we have the ball, the less time San Diego’s offense has the ball which means our defense won’t get tired which will allow them to play better. It all starts with the running game.

by broncoholic on Dec 27, 2008 9:46 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Agree with you and Sean

If we can run effectively, we will win this game.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Dec 27, 2008 2:39 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

No running game

SD will be able to totally play the pass and unless Cooked Crack can somehow light it up (yeah, sorry), it will be a really long day.

At sea level, but I'll always be a mile high.

by DaytonaBronco on Dec 27, 2008 9:00 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

we really didn't have a rb for the first game

and had to pass all game (b-marsh with 18 catches) so I’m not too worried about that. But having a surprise at running back to help control the clock would be nice.

by Sneaky Sean on Dec 27, 2008 11:23 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Opening up like we did against the Bills

would be awesome. The total unknown-ness of Boyd makes me wishful that he is up to the task, while the legacy of Bell makes me think that is asking for too much…

The unknown-ness of Pinnock blocking for Boyd sounds intriguing, while Pinnock in front of Bell seems like it would be a waste of time. Larsen blocking for Boyd might be a gamechanger though, if Larsen is healthy enough to give 100%.

Shanny said everyone who could practice (not on IR) practiced great, so that speaks volumes about where this team’s head is at.

Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.

by Jeremy Bolander on Dec 28, 2008 12:30 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

True, however the big factor was Sproles.

Must keep our eyes on him and don’t overpersuit.

"It doesn't dissipate" ~ Mike Shanahan

Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 9

by weazel on Dec 28, 2008 10:59 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

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