NFL Coaches On The Chopping Block -- Open Thread
Team's are wasting no time this morning ridding themselves of coaches that no longer fit the bill. Talk about the changes below --
Here is what we know so far --
New York Jets -- Eric Mangini is reportedly out as Head Coach of the New York Jets. New York spent a ton of money in the off-season and traded for Brett Favre. The results -- an 8-3 start that turned into a 1-4 finish and a 8AM tee time this morning.
Detroit Lions -- While Rod Marinelli is well respected as a football man within League circles, 0-16 is 0-16 after-all. Marinelli has been shown the door by the Lions in what is a mercy killing. Now Marinelli can head back to Tampa to take over the D.C. job vacated by Monte Kiffin.
Cleveland Browns - Romeo Crennel is out in Cleveland. Crennel has always looked a bit over his head as Head Coach and was never really in control, both on the field and in the locker room.
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I'd be in favor of bringin Crennel in for DC.
I can’t say I’m surprised by any of these moves.
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by Darin H on
Dec 29, 2008 8:05 AM MST
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I think Crennel for DC..
would be an interesting thought to entertain at the very least.
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by Denverjhawk on
Dec 29, 2008 8:06 AM MST
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I dont want anyone from Belichicks staff...they have all sucked since the left the Patriots, and you have to wonder whether there is more to Spygate than we know.
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by boydy2669 on
Dec 29, 2008 6:19 PM MST
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i thought the same thing when i saw he was fired
im more of an offensive guy, so im asking the defensive minds here, what do you think of crennel? what is his defensive philosophy and would it be a good fit with our personel? since we are thought to be cleaning house on the defensive side im guessing we are in a position where we could bring in a totally new system and build around that. what do u guys think?
by purplesocks on
Dec 29, 2008 9:23 AM MST
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I don't know
I’ts not like his browns defense was stellar, and the Broncos haven’t got much more talent…
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by Claus Vestergaard on
Dec 29, 2008 10:34 AM MST
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Actually, Raheem Brock
will be the DC in Tampa, according to reports of a couple days ago.
"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy
by TedBartlett905 on
Dec 29, 2008 8:17 AM MST
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Very true...
I was being sarcastic, if nothing else…
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by John Bena (aka TheSportsGuru) on
Dec 29, 2008 8:38 AM MST
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To me Marinelli has a lot of value as an Assistant Head Coach type
The way he handled this 0-16 debacle made me respect him more than I had previously. There is a way to overshadow being abysmal with character and class, and he showed it. I think any team would love to have the guy, just not as Head Coach.
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by TedBartlett905 on
Dec 29, 2008 8:58 AM MST
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I agree, Marinelli would be someone that I think the players may respond to
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by Broncoman on
Dec 29, 2008 11:00 AM MST
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Is he a D guy?
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by bradley on
Dec 29, 2008 12:26 PM MST
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Yes, he was the D-line coach for the Bucs prior to being named Detroit's coach
Question is, what poor dude would take that job now.
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by Broncoman on
Dec 29, 2008 2:15 PM MST
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I like Marinelli...hes a hard nut and would bring some attitude and forthrightness to our D!
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by boydy2669 on
Dec 29, 2008 6:20 PM MST
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I like the Crennel idea
I think you were right when you said he did look a little lost as the head coach. It just seemed it was a little too much for him to handle. However, no one can deny his excellent defensive coaching when he had the time to devote to it and that was his sole responsibility.
I’d love to see Crennel as our DC because I don’t think he will be offered a head coaching position anywhere else and he doesn’t seem college material. I’m not sure Slowik is the answer for us so far as a D.C. goes. I know a lot of our problems were talent related and we have criticized Shanny for flying through D.C.s but this year was pretty rough – I know we are hurting for the proper talent but I still don’t agree with how the defense was schemed this year. Slowik should definitely stay with the organization but I think that the D.C. was a little much for him.
The downside to bringing in Crennel is that he does have the Belichek (sp) mentality and the defense would be ‘his way’; which doesn’t seem like Shanny really has a problem doing that. The only problem with ‘his way’ is that its very different from our current defense so there would be extensive revamping – next year may not be a dynamite year for us defensively either.
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by nickt84 on
Dec 29, 2008 9:24 AM MST
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I like the idea in theory
But Nick has it right here…his system doesn’t match up well with what we have and I don’t think that gives us the best chance to succeed. That being said, if Shanny brings in Crennel and starts building around him, I’d back the call and cheer him on.
With the offense we have, all we need is a mediocre defense, not stellar.
I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.
by sadaraine on
Dec 29, 2008 10:02 AM MST
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Crennel
I wouldn’t mind bringing him in but he should have very limited personnel decisions.
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by dbroncos78087 on
Dec 29, 2008 9:51 AM MST
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If there is concern over his personnel decisions...
then he isn’t the right guy. The Broncos organization has shown an inability to make good personnel decisions on the defensive side of the ball and that should be first and foremost the #1 requirement if they decide to make a change. Someone who can come in, has a knack for identifying defensive talent and can install there system effectively.
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by Denverjhawk on
Dec 29, 2008 9:56 AM MST
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I think Crennel or whoever comes in has to have power over personnel descisions
To me, to tell a DC you can’t choose your players or scheme will only set them up for failure, I would like to see a DC that doesn’t answer to shanny.
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by Broncoman on
Dec 29, 2008 11:01 AM MST
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Crennel is a 3-4 guy
and we don’t have the personnel to run the 3-4….
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by John Bena (aka TheSportsGuru) on
Dec 29, 2008 10:07 AM MST
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That is the biggest problem with the thought of Crennel...
but on the other hand, it wouldn’t appear we have the personnel to run a 4-3 either.
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by Denverjhawk on
Dec 29, 2008 10:12 AM MST
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That, my friend, is very true!
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by John Bena (aka TheSportsGuru) on
Dec 29, 2008 10:19 AM MST
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Exactly...
Right now we haven’t got more than replecement level all over the D. We’re starting from scratch!
Might as well be with a Phillips/Crennel 3-4!
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by Claus Vestergaard on
Dec 29, 2008 10:36 AM MST
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maybe we could event a new defense, the 2-5-4
Since we apparently only have two decent DL,
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by Broncoman on
Dec 29, 2008 11:50 AM MST
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Two DL may be stretching it a bit
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by Broncoman on
Dec 29, 2008 11:50 AM MST
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Man, the whole D needs scrapping so go DC first, cull all the idiots we have on this team at D, build a scheme and then go get players to fit the scheme. Frickin Slowik had no idea what scheme to run...Did we even have a scheme?
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by boydy2669 on
Dec 29, 2008 6:22 PM MST
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BJ Raji NT
Most folks are agreed that we need Woodyard out on the field and that we lack certain personnel to run a 3-4, most notably a NT. Get one, 1st pick. Raji is a nasty, strong, 2 gap fellow. From fftoolbox.com:
The 6-1, 323 pound defensive tackle has been a dominating run stopper and a tough match-up for any Atlantic Coast Conference opponent.
Despite his size, Raji is deceptively quick. His first step is very impressive and then he will use his strength to simply run over the opposing lineman. Raji does just about everything well that one would hope from a defensive tackle. His positioning and instincts are solid and combined with his athleticism and strength, Raji pretty much has it all.
I know that DL personnel need to season, so we might as well start now.
I’m disconcerted at the number of Broncos players who were strongly behind Slowik at the beginning of the season and have commented much as Ekuban did about just carrying out the coaches decisions. If it was just one guy, fine, but I’ve noted it from several this year. That’s a bad carry-over for next season. I’ve been a proponent of some coaching stability, but at this point, maybe not. The players have lost confidence in the coach. Romeo is an option, certainly. Someone has to let us blitz, give safety support and develop a scheme that the players are behind.
It might take a couple of years to build this defense, but as I say, start now. Just a thought.
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by broncobear on
Dec 29, 2008 11:01 AM MST
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I think we may be able to get him in the second round, probably have to trade up, but pick at 12 too high for Raji
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by Broncoman on
Dec 29, 2008 11:51 AM MST
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You hit the nail...
… on the head.
“I’m disconcerted at the number of Broncos players who were strongly behind Slowik at the beginning of the season and have commented much as Ekuban did about just carrying out the coaches decisions. If it was just one guy, fine, but I’ve noted it from several this year. That’s a bad carry-over for next season. I’ve been a proponent of some coaching stability, but at this point, maybe not. The players have lost confidence in the coach.”
I think the veterans lost confidence in Slowik. First it was expressed by DJ earlier in the season, then gradually by others. Whatever “system” Slow is running doesn’t seem apparent.
by SlowWhiteGuy on
Dec 29, 2008 12:19 PM MST
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I think Terrence Cody would be the best pick for a 3-4 scheme
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11/23/08: Terrence Cody said he’s not declaring early, but once he discovers that he has a great shot at being drafted in the top 15, he could reconsider. Cody is a monstrous run-stuffer and should be a Kris Jenkins-like difference-maker at the next level.
by gnarlybroncodude on
Dec 29, 2008 12:28 PM MST
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If they want to move to a 3-4...
this is the guy…he’s a monster
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by Denverjhawk on
Dec 29, 2008 1:16 PM MST
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I agree, he is a lot like a young Jamaal Williams
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by Broncoman on
Dec 29, 2008 2:16 PM MST
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Yes, he is
Th only downside on him is that he’s not likely to be an everydown player – it’s tough to get theat kind of conditioning into a man of his size.
I agree, in part, that 12 – 14 is too high for Raji, but that’s why deals are made. Depending on the flow of the draft there could be two late first rounders, Raji being one, that we might pull the trigger on by trading down. The alternative is someone like Malaluaga or Lauriaitis. I want to take a top safety, but without a pass rush and a middle why bother?
Needs we have, players we need……
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by broncobear on
Dec 29, 2008 3:15 PM MST
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He may not come out
Last I heard (last week) he hadn’t committed himself. Top 5 pick next year if he produces, so he might stay in.
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by broncobear on
Dec 30, 2008 10:41 AM MST
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Ekuban's comment
about “coaches decisions” is very disconcerting. EK is a veteran and a stand up player.
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by bradley on
Dec 29, 2008 12:28 PM MST
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Not a Surprise ...
since according to a Youtube video, a very powerful figure in the
Browns front office was not happy.
by PierogiLUVR on
Dec 29, 2008 11:04 AM MST
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Sick and twisted, too funny
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by Broncoman on
Dec 29, 2008 11:58 AM MST
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Monte
What about Monte Kiffin from Tampa Bay. Just a thought
by thirdandlong303 on
Dec 29, 2008 11:52 AM MST
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Gone to Tennessee w/Lane…
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by Denverjhawk on
Dec 29, 2008 11:54 AM MST
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Here are my thought
I think after Shanny does his exit interviews with the defensive players he will see that the veterans have lost faith in Slowik and his play calling. If this is indeed the fact then Shanny has to make a change. Move slowik back to DB coach and bring in a legit DC. Now i have no idea who they bring in because a lot of people on the market are 3-4 guys, Mangini, Nolan, Crennel. The need to bring in a DC that will demand respect from his players and put them in check. My favorite for the position is Nolan. Yes Nolan lost his players in SF but that was when he was a head coach. I think he would come in and change the defensive culture and bring the D back. Thoughts everyone?
by gnarlybroncodude on
Dec 29, 2008 12:37 PM MST
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Hey maybe the raiders will fire rob ryan
and we could steal him away
by gnarlybroncodude on
Dec 29, 2008 12:42 PM MST
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Also I Think
We should try to do anything to get another top 15 pick. If we did this we would have a really good shot at getting Taylor Mays and Rey Maualuga. If we can get a pick from 16-25 we could still get either mays or maualuga in addition to brian cushing a stud SLB from USC
by gnarlybroncodude on
Dec 29, 2008 12:52 PM MST
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If the Broncos pulled off a draft of Mays, Maualuga and Chushing...
gone would be the days of talking about defensive drafts being a bust…at least I would think
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by Denverjhawk on
Dec 29, 2008 1:24 PM MST
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I did not mean all three
If we could pull off drafting 2 of the 3 we would be greatly improved on D
by gnarlybroncodude on
Dec 29, 2008 1:27 PM MST
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I misread it at first and yes I would agree 2 of 3 would be a great foundation...
I haven’t looked at Cushing for a while but correct me if I’m wrong wasn’t he projecting in the 2nd round most of the year…has he now moved into first round status.
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by Denverjhawk on
Dec 29, 2008 1:44 PM MST
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That would be sweat, but highly unlikey since all those guys are likely 1st rounders
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by Broncoman on
Dec 29, 2008 2:18 PM MST
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If we go 3-4 Cushing is our man....he has played DE and SLB and is a monster. Regardless, I would take him and Mays ....Haynesworth if 4-3 or a BIG NT in drfat if 3-4
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by boydy2669 on
Dec 29, 2008 6:26 PM MST
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Yes Cushing is a beast
He is projected to go from 15-20 range. I live in sothern cali and get to watch a lot of USC Games. USC’s strength is their LB core. They have run a version of the 3-4 all year because of this. Watch a lot of their games I can sincerely say that Cushings is almost if not at the same level talent wise as Maualuga. Cushing 6-3 255 and Maualuga is 6-2 260 according to the trojans website. Cushing has played some ILB for the trojans and excelled when he has done so. I think he would easily make the transition to MLB. I also would take Cushings over Laurinaitis or spikes from florida
by gnarlybroncodude on
Dec 29, 2008 1:50 PM MST
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I have been saying throughout the year to a friend...
that if the Broncos weren’t high enough in the draft to get Maualuga, I would be just as content waiting for Cushing…I like him a lot as an NFL prospect as well.
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by Denverjhawk on
Dec 29, 2008 2:01 PM MST
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Agreed...he played MLB when Rey was out, and he has played as a rushing DE as well. I am a USC fan. They have given up average under 8 points. Mays and Cushing are upgrades straight away.
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by boydy2669 on
Dec 29, 2008 6:28 PM MST
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Don't forget Clay Matthews
Doesn’t get the press but is a great young man.
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by broncobear on
Dec 30, 2008 10:43 AM MST
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If we don't get one of the two we could still get James Laurinaitis. I don't know if he's first round status.
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Dec 29, 2008 2:16 PM MST
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He likely is late firts round 20 to 25, he is more limited athletically, similar to Dan Conner
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by Broncoman on
Dec 29, 2008 2:19 PM MST
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Yeah but he might be able to supply that leadership that was lost when Al Wilson was injured and left the Broncos for good.
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Dec 29, 2008 2:25 PM MST
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Laurinitus would be a good get but...
now that the Broncos have missed the playoffs and put themselves into the #12 spot they can do better.
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by Denverjhawk on
Dec 29, 2008 2:28 PM MST
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Agreed
I am not that high on Laurinitus, he is limited and he gets overrun by blockers too many times, I think he gets more hype due to the OSU thing.
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by Broncoman on
Dec 29, 2008 2:34 PM MST
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I agree with you on that 100%
somethings wrong, Trying to conquer these fears i thought were gone. And it's been so long, I'm dying to live in a world i don't belong
by broncfanstuckinsd on
Dec 29, 2008 3:05 PM MST
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Yep, Laurinitus will be good solid player but not necessarily a game changer.
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by boydy2669 on
Dec 29, 2008 6:30 PM MST
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I had no idea that we were in the 12 spot.
by broncoholic on
Dec 29, 2008 2:37 PM MST
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yeah we are apparently the worst 8-8 team or something like that...
and “earned” the #12 spot, I guess if your going to miss the playoffs due to a collapse you might as well get something good out of the deal.
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by Denverjhawk on
Dec 29, 2008 3:10 PM MST
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ha.
My 2009 cuts/trades/etc: Prater, Hall, Young, McCree, Maneul, Bell, B. Bailey, C. Bailey, Slowik, Englenberger, Winborn, Pittman, Ramsey. (Subject to Update)
by broncodude793 on
Dec 29, 2008 3:13 PM MST
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The actual reason apparently is Strength of schedule...
of the 6 8-8 teams Denver had the easiest schedule so they managed the 12 spot.
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by Denverjhawk on
Dec 29, 2008 3:51 PM MST
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actually there are only 4 8-8 teams and i think we pick #14 not #12
by gnarlybroncodude on
Dec 29, 2008 3:56 PM MST
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you're right 4 8-8 teams not in the playoffs, but...
the Broncos do have the 12th pick it would appear.
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by Denverjhawk on
Dec 29, 2008 4:01 PM MST
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With the 12 position there are a lot of possibilities...
Here’s a little look at names that pop up in multiple first round mock drafts and a rough idea of where they fall.
Taylor Mays (S, mid to high 1st)
Rey Maualuga (ILB, mid to high 1st)
Brian Cushing (OLB, mid to high 1st)
James Laurinitis (ILB, high to low 1st)
William Moore (S, mid to low 1st)
probably less likely scenario’s
Brian Orakpo (DE, high to low 1st)
Vontae Davis (CB, mid 1st)
Gerald McCoy (DT, mid 1st)
Everette Brown (DE, high to low 1st)
Aaron Maybin (DE, high to low 1st)
Macolm Jenkins (CB, high 1st)
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by Denverjhawk on
Dec 29, 2008 4:00 PM MST
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I really do not like Laurinitis.
I think he is highly overrated and I would Take Brian Cushing from USC And move him to the middle
by gnarlybroncodude on
Dec 29, 2008 4:03 PM MST
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marinelli/crennel
I have felt for a long time that Shanahan is the problem with the defense. Clearly, he knows what he wants to do on offense, but he takes whatever defense his coordinator wants. He needs to choose a defense and hire coaches and draft/acquire players for the system. We can’t keep rebuilding the defensive side of the ball every year or two.
We also need a more aggressive approach to special teams-a la Bud Grant’s kick blocking special teams. Either Crennel or Marinelli would be good choices to implement a Shanahan defense as DC-especially Marinelli.
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Dec 29, 2008 4:32 PM MST
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marinelli
rod is the only 4-3 DC out there. They need to find the next Mike Tomlin or Leslie Frazier type who is on the cusp of being great. (We need a scout to find a DC, kidn)
by Markus2112 on
Dec 29, 2008 5:31 PM MST
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cower
anyone see shanahan stepping down as coach and focusing directly on GM, Pres duties? I I know Cower told the browns he won’t coach in 09, but i think he would be a great fit.
by ec33 on
Dec 29, 2008 6:43 PM MST
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Not surprised with either of these coaches.
Jets: I find it totally funny that you pull of a trade to get Favre only to get knocked out of the playoffs by the QB you let go. Talk about irony.
Lions: Well if you can’t win one game in sixteen tries, then you can expect to be fired.
Browns: I honestly think this is a long time coming.
"It doesn't dissipate" ~ Mike Shanahan
Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 9
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Dec 29, 2008 7:32 PM MST
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Bring back Greg Robinson as DC
The Robinson led Broncos defense played superb during the 1998 playoff run. The Broncos defense held the Miami Dolphins scoreless in the divisional playoffs, allowed only a touchdown as a result of a fumble on the one yard line against the New York Jets in the AFC Championship Game, and then allowed a single touchdown to the Atlanta Falcons in the 4th quarter of the Super Bowl after the outcome was secure.
by Sneaky Sean on
Dec 29, 2008 10:44 PM MST
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I sense a Colinski draft post coming on
Look forward to it, too.
Jim Goodman for Broncos MVP!
by broncobear on
Dec 30, 2008 10:44 AM MST
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