A Little Defense

by dbroncos78087 on Dec 3, 2008 5:09 PM MST

First let me start by saying this is not about our defense in the manner you might suspect. I was actually hoping for a little information from people closer to Denver than myself. I read this article.

It highlights how we "cheated" to slow down the pace of the game, i thought it was odd we lost so many players in a row (i think it was three straight plays). But what gets me is that they cited the Rocky Mountain News but i searched the site and nothing came up with that quote either search "Brett Favre" and "vet move" and found nothing. The only conclusions i can come to are:

A. It was just in the print version of the paper. Or...

B. They made this quote but since this does not appear to be a "professional publication", ie Washington Post, Rocky Mountain News, Wall Street Journal, etc.

I was hoping that you all could provide me with information relevant to this from a slightly more legitimate source or discredit it completely. Because for A. to work this would have to be news that isnt extremely important and wouldnt be put online as well as print and if it were true it seems like it would be.

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I believe that NY Bretts fans are using the argument that Denver was faking injuries to slow down the no-huddle in an effort to absolve themselves from the humiliation of being associated with fans who would boo injured players. I would certainly be searching for excuses if I was a part of a group that is so disgusting and classless.

I lost ALL respect for Jets fans on Sunday.

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by UnarmingMermaid on Dec 3, 2008 5:21 PM MST reply actions

you'll notice that the author didn't provide a link.

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by UnarmingMermaid on Dec 3, 2008 5:23 PM MST up reply actions

I believe this is the quote he was refering to (although I couldn't find it in the RMN either...only in another NY paper).

``Just a bruise on my shin," Bly told the Rocky Mountain News of his injury. “You know Brett, him being a savvy vet, when he sees somebody down, he likes to do a no-huddle, catch a defense off balance. I knew that, so I just laid on the ground and let the pain go away. . . . But that’s one thing you have to do – you have injuries, anything that’s bothering you, stay on the ground, don’t try to be Superman and rush back up because it can hurt your defense.”

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by UnarmingMermaid on Dec 3, 2008 5:40 PM MST up reply actions

He was dogging!

This is an exact quotation from a post-game interview I heard with Dre. He sounded right proud of himself. You may remember him bending his leg at forty five degrees and flexing it, kicking his foot in the air a couple of times while he spoke to Greek. Just a vet move, nothing beyond the pale though.

"I told him (Montrae), don't worry, you'll pass out before you die" -- Rick Tuten

by littletinybroncos on Dec 3, 2008 11:19 PM MST up reply actions

But I think there is a BIG difference between "dogging" and faking an injury.

His point was that he probably could have got off the field but he knew that when Favre sees a guy struggling he’ll speed up the next play to either get a 12-man penalty or just catch the defense “off balance”. In other words, he did NOT fake the injury…he simply chose to stay where he was to prevent Favre from trying to take advantage of his injury (bruised shin).

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by UnarmingMermaid on Dec 4, 2008 12:08 AM MST up reply actions

Exactly

Which is why i question it so much. They cited the RMN and i guess expect no one to check their facts. I discussed it with someone on another site and he said well it must have been in the print version, but it seems to me like that is a big story that would get covered in both. And it hasnt shown up anywhere else except that article and articles that cited the one i posted.

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by dbroncos78087 on Dec 3, 2008 5:48 PM MST up reply actions

either way…if that is the quote they’re are refering to then he is not admitting to faking injuries; rather he simply stayed on the field due to an injury rather than limp off of it. That’s very different than faking injuries. From the same article that I found that quote I also found this one,

Afterwards and at his news conference today, Jets coach Eric Mangini refused to accuse the Broncos of foul play. And several Jets players also said they thought the injuries were legitimate.

Again…I’d refer to my first comment.

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by UnarmingMermaid on Dec 3, 2008 5:53 PM MST up reply actions

ooops,

The last line wasn’t part of the quote.

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by UnarmingMermaid on Dec 3, 2008 5:53 PM MST up reply actions

This isn't related...but not sure where else to put it.

After watching the NFL Replay of the game…I am for the first time convinced that the refs made the right call on the fumble that Fox returned for the TD. The Jet’s player WAS laying on top of the ball; however, he did NOT have posession of the football in his hands. In fact, at the end of the play from the angle behind the play you can see the player’s hands are not on the football and he did not "possess’ it. In other words, he did not ‘control’ it; thus, it was a fumble.

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by UnarmingMermaid on Dec 3, 2008 9:52 PM MST reply actions

of course

if you saw the royal muff later on, it was exactly the same. he didn’t have it for about 5 seconds. we didn’t get any calls in this game. in fact, i thought the officiating was one-sided the other way

hear me, perpetrators of bread crime, your punishment is at hand.
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by davecheffy on Dec 3, 2008 9:59 PM MST reply actions

btw

josh bell anyone? is it me, or is this guy playing pretty well out there?

hear me, perpetrators of bread crime, your punishment is at hand.
taste my blintzkrieg!

by davecheffy on Dec 3, 2008 10:37 PM MST reply actions

I like him

I’d still love an all NFL safety in next year’s draft, but I thought that he’s done the best of anyone we have this year.

He doesn’t know anything but 100 percent
- Shanahan on Larsen

by Doc Bear on Dec 3, 2008 10:49 PM MST reply actions

My take on both issues...

Denver was not faking injuries. When the injuries happened, we were in a position that we would want to be milking the clock, not stopping it with injuries. The most convincing evidence is that the players were already down and staying down before Favre tried to run the no huddles, and I doubt the Denver players were mind readers.

As to the fumble recovery for a TD, it was clearly the right call. It was replayed several times, and the commentators pointed out that the ball was not controlled by the offensive player. Even if it could be replayed, the evidence would have been much better than inconclusive to keep the call on the field. It was conclusive that it was a fumble! It’s not even close, and there isn’t a legitimate argument against this call.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Dec 4, 2008 3:43 AM MST reply actions

But

Bly admitted that he stayed down to keep Favre from running a hurry-up play. I guess he was just worried about Favre coming back and burning him again (a la last year’s GB game in OT).

"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game

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by DesertBroncoFan on Dec 4, 2008 11:12 AM MST up reply actions

but again,

He said he only did this because he WAS injured (bruised shin). He acknowledged that he probably could have limped off the field but knew Favre would try to take advantage of the situation if he saw him doing that. That is NOT ‘faking’ injuries.

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by UnarmingMermaid on Dec 4, 2008 1:09 PM MST up reply actions

I agree with UnarmingMermaid's reply.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Dec 4, 2008 1:26 PM MST up reply actions

During the Replay last night

they had played the post-game interview with Bly admitting that he probably could have gone but decided he would just sit because he was just trying to counter Favre’s rushing to the line to take advantage of him being hurt.

As for Larsen and EE, I believe they are still on the injury report, so I think it is safe to say that their injuries were legit.

As to the topic of the linked article as to whether the Broncos should be fined, I think it is safe to assume that Bly could deserve being fined since he openly admitted that he took advantage of the situation by sitting on the field when it wasn’t really necessary.

"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game

by DesertBroncoFan on Dec 4, 2008 11:12 AM MST reply actions

I disagree.

The issue is whether there was a legit injury or not. Bly did have a legit injury. There is always a decision to be made as to how fast to get up. If the injury is real, a player should err on the side of staying down. The only way a player should be fined is if there was no injury. Lack of an injury equals cheating. Bly was prudent, whatever his motivation. He did the right thing.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Dec 4, 2008 1:28 PM MST up reply actions