MHR Chalk Talk -- Week 14 - Kansas City at Denver
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One theme keeps coming up with the Denver fan base. When Denver wins (as against the Jets), the fans start talking about deep playoff runs. When Denver loses (as against the Raiders), the fans talk about how terrible this team is.
At this point in the season we are heading into the fourth quarter. Denver has all but locked up a playoff spot, and it is better than a wildcard. Barring a major meltdown, Denver will be the fourth seed this year. Denver has overcome the folly of last season, and has accomplished this task with a very young team. They are also going to get some veterans back in time to help the team peak at the end of the season. That's right folks; Denver has 'em right were we want 'em.
If the Chargers lose the Thursday night game (not likely), and the Broncos win, the Broncos are in the playoffs.
Inconsistent? Yes. That's the price of a young team. But the team is growing fast. The best measure of a young team isn't the games that they lose (inconsistent young teams will lose to good and bad teams) but who they beat. And so far, Denver has beaten every team that they have played that is ranked ahead of them in the League (#5 Bucs, #6 Falcons, #10 Jets). Against KC at home, Denver can help to wipe away the memory of losing to a "lesser" team, and get their young minds focused on being a real, elite team instead of a growing team.
How will they do this? More below the fold...

Denver plays two very different ways against opponents.
When they play weaker teams, they get overly confident. They trust the DBs, and rush only three players. They rely entirely on Jay Cutler, and play a spread offense. Not only do they run a spread offense, but they play vertical, going deep too often. They forget to use the RBs.
Against stronger opponents they play a better game. They switch from the spread offense to the west coast. They throw shorter passes. They incorporate the running game. They play a 4-3, and rush all four (instead of a 3-4, and holding back a LB).
KC may be seen as a weaker team, but they beat Denver earlier this year. Perhaps the coaches have noticed the differences in playcalling between the two types of teams, and will call this game as if it is against a strong team. Denver is at home, and not at Arrowhead (which does a great job with homefield advantage).
Scrambling QB
One of the advantages an offense can bring to a game is a scrambling QB. Defenses have enough men on the field to cover RBs and receivers, but can't really waste a player covering a QB. When that QB can run really well, a defense can give up major plays, or (at the very least) a lot of first downs.
The biggest disadvantage of running a QB is the potential for injury. Another disadvantage is that only rare, physical specimens can both run and throw ball. But when it happens, defenses need to adjust.
Sometimes a player is assigned to watch and shadow the QB. This is called a "spy". While it stops the QB from rushing, it also takes a defensive player out of plays more often than the QB will actually become mobile. It also sets defenses up to fall for several screen options.
Thigpen is a scrambler, and the bright spot on an otherwise unfortunate team. Denver is aware of what he can do, and will gameplan accordingly.
Shuffling LBs
Denver will see some shuffling at LB. I know we love Larsen, but his hip is still iffy after the Jets game, so he likely won't start at MLB. Webster will likely return to MLB. The return of DJ Williams is still up in the air, but Denver has proven that the back-ups at the OLB positions are up to the task. (Look for a story very soon on my take on the situation at LB for Denver).
It is my opinion that Woodyard looks terrific, but I think DJ can stop the run better, and can make some big plays. I would like to see a way to work in Woodyard, Larsen, and Winborn (without moving to a 3-4, because we don't have the defensive line). Moving Webster out of the line-up might be a start, as well as not bringing back Boss next year. But DJ needs to say.
The real news in terms of shuffling LBs isn't on the Broncos squad though. Here is an excellent write-up from a member of Arrowhead Pride about how much trouble the Chiefs are in at LB, and the shifting of LBs for this game and the remainder of the season.
The Return of the King
There have been some comments in the threads at MHR about how well Bly has looked the last couple of games. In my opinion, Bly has looked better because we are finally playing two safeties deep (I will be putting up a story on this issue in the next few days). Bailey and Bly are #1 and #2 in interceptions in the League since 1991, but both have looked ordinary the last two years in Denver without safety support and with poor pass rushing.
The king I'm refering to though is not Bly. Bailey's return (he insists he will be back this week) shuts down half of the field, and takes a receiver out of the game. QBs rarely test Bailey, and when they do, they get burned for an INT an awful lot of the time. Having Bailey back is a must if we are going to peak going into the playoffs.
The Secret Service
Put me on the record. The Denver offensive line is the best in the business, and looks like the classic Broncos offensive lines we've admired over the years. In fact, even better. Denver's offensive line is protecting Cutler at a phenominal rate.
Clady (LT) isn't even receiving double team assistance, which is rare for a rookie. He is deserving of a pro bowl trip, and should be considered for rookie of the year. On the other side, Harris isn't a rookie, but is playing in his first full year. Like Clady, he is nearly perfect in execution. These two are going to be in Denver for years to come.
Wiegmann has stepped in to cover for Nalen (who has missed his second season now), and the offensive line hasn't suffered an iota. In fact, I believe Nalen will retire at the end of the season, and Wiegmann will stay on. Wiegmann's only hit is his age, but he should be solid for at least another year or two. Hamilton and Kuper are aslo playing at an elite level at guard.
The biggest knock on the offensive line is whether or not they can support the running game. With running calls being infrequent, it was tough to tell. Against Atlanta and the Jets, we got our answer. 7th round FB Hillis played as the fifth string RB against the Jets, and tore them to shreds.
Imagine what a power runner like Hillis can do to a dysfunctional LB corps like the one KC has.
Denver Playcalling
Denver should get the playcalling right for this game. The Chiefs play a cover two, and Cutler should be in positions to use his TEs in the seams and to take his WRs underneath the coverage. Against the suspect KC LB corps, Denver can choose to shoot Hillis up the gut, or use any of the other RBs on sweeps and screens to the edges. This is a simple plan, what Denver does best, and is tailor made to beat the Chiefs.
But if Denver comes out throwing early and often, forgets the running game, and goes deep too often, KC will use their prowess at winning the turnover war (they are pretty good at picks) to play to Denver's weakness (losing game where turnovers ar an issue).
Keys to the Game -
Denver
- Limit turnovers
- Run the ball
- On pass plays, just give what the defense gives you (don't go for the win; just move the darned chains)
KC
- Spread the field horizontaly. Give Thigpen a chance at a few first downs.
- Flowers (CB) is coming off an injury, and will be lined against Royal, who has dangerous agility to shake a CB. Make sure he plays off, and make sure he has free safety support.
- Use Gonazales as an extra reciever. Denver's pass rushing is improving, but still not solid. You don't need the extra protection for the mobile QB. You do need the safety valve with Bailey and Bly out there.
Summary
I can't see Denver losing this game. Both teams are young, but Denver seems to be moving forward, while KC's record is about as bad as it gets. Denver has been inconsistent, while KC is consistently bad.
Wanting to give his team confidence moving towards the playoffs, and wanting to erase the bad taste of losing to KC earlier in the season, the coaches may be tempted to make this game a blow out. I hope that isn't the case. The way to beat this team is the same way we have won games against the Jets, the Bucs, and the Falcons. If we play a careful game, we will rack up the points and get the blowout. If we try too hard to get the win early by throwing the deep bombs (as against Oakland), we will pay for it.
We will win in a shootout if we don't engage in a shootout. Does that make sense?
Comments
Think you need to fix your headline--Oakland??
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by spock on
Dec 4, 2008 4:13 PM MST
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I fixed it for him. He schedules his post ahead of time and may not be online for several more hours.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
by Zappa on
Dec 4, 2008 4:49 PM MST
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In this case, the error is all mine.
I did schedule it ahead of time, but I used a copy and paste function for the title, and never went back to update it. I also had the game at week 12. I fixed it to 14.
Ok, here comes my lame excuse. Chiefs, Raiders, what’s the difference? It’s hard to see in the basement!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
Dec 4, 2008 6:28 PM MST
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Classic!
Chiefs, Raiders, what’s the difference? It’s hard to see in the basement!
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
by Zappa on
Dec 4, 2008 10:09 PM MST
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In fact, that quote gets added to my sig.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Chiefs, Raiders, what’s the difference? It’s hard to see in the basement! - hoosierteacher 12/4/08
by Zappa on
Dec 4, 2008 10:12 PM MST
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I'm honored!
Thanks!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
Dec 5, 2008 2:07 AM MST
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I was hoping
Oakland would help SD into the basement
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by broncfanstuckinsd on
Dec 5, 2008 2:02 PM MST
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Nice HT.....
I am looking forward to seeing both the article on the LB’s and the Safety’s.
Your thoughts on Josh Barrett and who will be our starting Safety’s and will Barrett stay in the rotation even if McCree comes back in.
I want to see Hillis pound these guys for over 150 and watch for big games from DG and Sheffler. I think Marshall will have a lot of catches across the middle and short as well.
Having Webster at MLB worries me BIG TIME.
Here’s a thought: Winborn has MLB experience. How baout Winborn at MLB and WW at strong with DJ at will???
Recommended HT!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
by boydy2669 on
Dec 4, 2008 4:26 PM MST
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Webster at MLB scares the Hell out of me
but, I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that the scheme is working better now and maybe he’ll do better than he did at the beginning of the season.
We can only hope that at the first missed gap with LJ running wild, Shanny yanks him and puts Haggan in (unfortunately, I think Larsen’s hip injury may make his return impossible).
Rec’d and Buzzed, HT.
"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game
"I love your analysis of our team. Its kinda like watching a spider monkey trying to figure out a jar of peanuts.. you know whats going on.. you know whats in there, but to actually figure it out, is just a bit beyond your mental skills..."
- Bronco Dano
by DesertBroncoFan on
Dec 4, 2008 4:35 PM MST
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I....am NOT willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
He has been a wholly average LB since he had to start last year. The guy is not a starting LB at any level…even if he played for the Lions…well maybe the Lions, but not the USC Trojans! :P I hate that he will get the start just because he has TENURE! Screw tenure…it doesn’t work in the business world and it shouldn’t work in the football world. That’s all I gotta say. Webster will not likely be on this football team come August 2009.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
by Zappa on
Dec 4, 2008 4:52 PM MST
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I dont want to give WEBSTER any benefit...
how long has he been in the NFL for?? He has never been of starting calibre, and we want to bring him back for our run to the play offs?? ARE YOU FRICKIN KIDDING ME??
Vote NO on Nate Webster.
Right with you there Zappa!
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Failing to plan is planning to fail.
by boydy2669 on
Dec 4, 2008 6:36 PM MST
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The only reason I said that
was more to give Shanahan the benefit of the doubt that he is seeing something in practice that we aren’t. I would much rather have Larsen or Haggan starting, but if Shanny says Webster is starting, there must be a reason.
I also tempered it with saying that the first time Webster misses his gap and LJ gets a long gainer then he should be pulled and sit (I didn’t add, for the rest of the year)!
"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game
"I love your analysis of our team. Its kinda like watching a spider monkey trying to figure out a jar of peanuts.. you know whats going on.. you know whats in there, but to actually figure it out, is just a bit beyond your mental skills..."
- Bronco Dano
by DesertBroncoFan on
Dec 5, 2008 8:11 AM MST
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Trust in Shanny and Slowik
They are getting their stuff together as the season wears on. THAT is the reason you give Webster the chance…if he is in on Sunday it is because he is doing what he needs to in practice and gives us the best chance to win. That being said, if he blows a play or two he should be yanked and be warming the bench until we release him. :)
For the record, I think Webster is going to be fine…helmet or no.
by sadaraine on
Dec 5, 2008 9:43 AM MST
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lol, You must be Tim A...I am Tim L. Nice to meet you. :P
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
by Zappa on
Dec 4, 2008 4:52 PM MST
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Yep
Nice name!
"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game
"I love your analysis of our team. Its kinda like watching a spider monkey trying to figure out a jar of peanuts.. you know whats going on.. you know whats in there, but to actually figure it out, is just a bit beyond your mental skills..."
- Bronco Dano
by DesertBroncoFan on
Dec 5, 2008 8:11 AM MST
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Sernds chills down my spine as well
It all starts in the trenches HT 11/11/08
by firstfan on
Dec 4, 2008 5:09 PM MST
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Is Woodyard too small for MLB? Why is he not a possibility?
The best defense is a good defense!
And last week's young players. Yes!
by Mike Clark on
Dec 4, 2008 5:35 PM MST
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Each of the LB positions place a different empasis, depending on system.
I think that size is not a key for our team. We use the MLB as a speedy guy for central zone coverages a lot, and not so much as a run stuffer. With weaknesses at DT over the last couple of years, this has hurt us. At this point, the major factor may be who knows how to read a defense best, and who can switch between run and pass coverage smoothly. The consideration will likely go to the player most experienced at MLB.
Most folks here love Hagen, but I want to see more of him before we stick him in. Webster probably has the most experience, but I’ve soured on him. Larsen is probably our best bet, but he’ll be a monster clearing the way for Hillis, and there’s no reason to wear down the guy and risk injury if we can keep him on one side of the ball. (I think Larsen is our best bet at MLB).
More on this in an upcoming story.
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by hoosierteacher on
Dec 4, 2008 6:34 PM MST
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Not to mention
there are only so many practice reps to go around. I think the combination of Larsen’s gimpy hip, the need to see Webster and Haggan both practicing, and the offensive gameplan all led toLarsen being 100% offense this week. i can definitely see that changing as more info comes in, especially regarding Nate and Larsen’s health.
Rec’d and buzzed!
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by styg50 on
Dec 4, 2008 6:48 PM MST
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Thanks Styg!
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by hoosierteacher on
Dec 4, 2008 6:54 PM MST
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Experience means nothing....
If the guy has been playing the same way for 9 years and has never changed his game. The way Webster plays is so ingrained in him its not going to change.
He has a lot of experience of over pursuing, missing his gaps and losing his helmet…..thats about it.
Hes a human bobble head!
By putting him in now and giving him the benefit of the doubt that he sucked because of scheme is ludicrous. Its not scheme, he just is not very good.
You dont need experience to be not very good.
I am not having a go at you HT, and I know you are a Larsen fan too. This is about putting someone in that will IMPROVE the team.
Does anyone out there think this team is improved by putting bobble head Webster back in???
Plya Hagans or WInborn there if Larsen cant go……but no Webster.
GUARENTEE: He will overpursue and miss his gap over 2 times this Sunday. No doubt in my mind. Thats just how he plays, and that aint going to change now or ever.
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by boydy2669 on
Dec 4, 2008 7:00 PM MST
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We agree that Webster is not the right guy for the job.
We also agree that it sn’t a matter of the DL or scheme. Webster just isn’t the answer.
My response was more as to why Woodyard isn’t the answer at MLB. Larsen is, and has more experience there. Woodyard is more advantaged at WILL, not MIKE.
So overall, I think we agree.
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by hoosierteacher on
Dec 4, 2008 7:10 PM MST
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Exactly man...
What about WInborn at MLB?? He has played there.
What are your thoughts there coach?
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by boydy2669 on
Dec 4, 2008 7:11 PM MST
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I like Winborn at SAM.
I like Larsen at MLB, and I like Woodyard at WILL. With DJ coming back, Woodyard is a great player with nowhere to go. Haggan has looked good, but hasn’t played many downs for us, and it may be premature to label him as solid. Winborn can hold his own at MLB, but I don’t think it is his best position.
If it were up to me, we would start DJ, Larsen, and Winborn. We would also have Woodyard ready to go if need be. Webster should get traded, cut, or moved to STs. Haggan is worth another look before the post season. K2 is worth keeping on STs, and as a back-up at MLB.
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by hoosierteacher on
Dec 4, 2008 7:16 PM MST
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I agree.
Webster and Boss will probably be cut or dealt in the off- season, and K2 will have to take a pay cut.
Then Shanny will use all those extra draft picks to draft a couple of top rated nose guards. Then they will go back to mixing in the 3-4 next year, to better utilize all our LBs and Moss.
I think Shanny and Slowik believe that in order to ever be a top defense, we need the flexibility and unpredictability of being able to bounce back and forth between the 4-3 and 3-4.
And I would agree, as long as our players are executing it correctly. However, it was driving me crazy earlier in the season seeing guys tentative and uncertain and always out of position. I think they waited to long to simplify things this year, but I do understand the intent, and I do like being an underrated underdog team now who will surprise people.
by The Gun Young on
Dec 4, 2008 8:12 PM MST
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I think most of us agree that Woodyard is too small for SAM
But if size is not a priority for MIKE, then why not move him there, and put Haggan at SAM? We’d have to see how effective Haggan is at covering a TE, but from what little I’ve seen from him he moves around pretty well for a big guy, so maybe he would have that in him. I just want to find a way to keep Woodyard on the field, and Nate off of it.
And what the hell happened to Niko Koutouvides? Did he die in a freak schmelting accident or something and I missed the memo?
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by papigrande on
Dec 4, 2008 9:36 PM MST
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I may get myself in trouble with everyone here...
…but as good as Haggan looked, are we going to make the guy a starter after seeing so little of him? Granted, we’ve seen enough of Webster to feel let down, but we have plenty of guys who have looked good longer than Haggan.
I’m not knocking him at all. I just think that, if we’re going to speculate, we should consider other players first.
As for K2, he’s played in place of Webster, and didn’t do much better.
I get the point of getting Wodyard on the field, and Webster off. But we have to do it in a way that helps the most positions without detracting from the most positions.
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by hoosierteacher on
Dec 5, 2008 2:13 AM MST
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Niko isn't playing / practicing well
That is why you aren’t seeing him. He’s obviously been a disappointment on defense and I would say is worse than Webster by a mile given what we saw of him early in the season/preseason
by sadaraine on
Dec 5, 2008 9:48 AM MST
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Woodyard too small?
I don’t think it’s a matter of size as much as the ability to read the offense and set the defense to respond appropriately. Generally, the MIKE is the QB of the defense and must get everyone (at least the front 7) in the proper alignments and ready to attack the run or pass (as he sees fit).
Woodyard may be a good physical specimen, but doesn’t have the experience of reading the offense and getting the defense set correctly in response. As DJ showed last year, even at MIKE he made the most tackles on the team, but it probably could be argued (not that I will because I don’t know if that is the case or not) that he wasn’t able to read the offense well enough to get the front 7 in the proper position. He is more natural at WILL where his speed and abilities are best utilized.
So, I guess what I’m saying is that MIKE requires a different skill set and being calm under pressure to be able to make the correct call based on what the offense is showing.
"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game
"I love your analysis of our team. Its kinda like watching a spider monkey trying to figure out a jar of peanuts.. you know whats going on.. you know whats in there, but to actually figure it out, is just a bit beyond your mental skills..."
- Bronco Dano
by DesertBroncoFan on
Dec 5, 2008 8:23 AM MST
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Differing skill sets.
The MLB is rarely a small guy, though the skill sets can vary from big and slow to medium built and fast. The MLB is still going to handle the majority of run plays, so he can’t be too small. That said, Denver isn’t that “big” on big guys in the middle. We like speed at the position, and Wilson was one of the fastest.
To give a very brief overview:
The WILL can be any size, really, unless he is slow. He needs to cover zones to the weakside, and blitzes. Your pure athlete goes here.
The MLB is a jack of all trades, but has to be able to stop the runs up the gut, and cover midzones on pass coverage to some extent. Teams go for a big run stuffer, or a speedy, but not small, kind of guy. He also has to be sharp enough to run a defense (since he is the central most player in the formation, everyone can more easily respond to him than anyone else). He can man, zone, or blitz.
The SAM is a tough spot to fill. He has to be big enough to stop runs (more runs go to the strong side than anywhere else), but he also has to get through two blockers on blitzes (TE and RT) and also be able to man up on TEs. The TE may be fast, or he may be big enough to knock you over. Finding a SAM that can be a balance of all of these things is tough.
While most teams lean one way or the other for MLB (speed or build), the SAM position doesn’t have the luxury of leaning to far towards one end of the spectrum. As pointed out earlier, WILL is the easiest, because the main requirement is speed, followed by shedding blockers.
I agree that Woodyard is best at WILL, but this places him behind DJ on the chart. DJ is a pure athlete, and seems to dislike having to focus on both his own job and directing others. That’s ok. He was born to be a WILL, and he should start there.
More on the above thoughts on a story that goes up later Friday.
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by hoosierteacher on
Dec 5, 2008 1:26 PM MST
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Thanks Desert
I think Webster will start, unfortunately.
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by hoosierteacher on
Dec 4, 2008 6:41 PM MST
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Thanks so much
Both articles coming your way soon. (LBs likely by Fri evening).
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by hoosierteacher on
Dec 4, 2008 6:40 PM MST
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I think our TEs will have another good game
As long as we repeat the way we played on offense like we did against the Jets, we should be fine.
We didn’t really get Scheffler and Graham involved against KC in week 4, so I expect that to change. Since Clady is performing out of this world for a rookie, I am sure we will take advantage of our two TEs.
Just one thing, we need to really run the ball this time. Play smart football.
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by weazel on
Dec 4, 2008 4:47 PM MST
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Against the cover two, we really should use the TEs.
They are lined up to take advantage of the seams. Still, I’m not sure about two TEs. Normaly, I love the two TE set up against either a 3-4 or a cover two defense. Against the weak front seven of KC, I like the idea of a FB to help clear the way for a power back like Hillis. It’s a matter of taste though, and either variation is good.
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by hoosierteacher on
Dec 4, 2008 6:36 PM MST
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Nobody loves Clady more than Graham.
Now Graham does not need to block as much to help our tackles. He can actually catch balls, and I am so glad to see Jay finally develop trust in him. I think Jay has finally learned that if teams want to back off, he can dink and dunk them to death, and still end up with all the great stats. We just have so many receiving weapons, it is scary (Marshall, Royal, Stokely, Scheffler, Graham, Hillis).
I think at this point, Shanny will stick to the single back set, because it takes practice to learn how to follow the FB and read his blocks. It is a whole different look for a TB running in a one back set. Hillis is thriving in the one back set, so they will keep it going. Also, on occasion we have seen Shanny use Mustard as a TE in motion to be a an extra blocker in the hole.
by The Gun Young on
Dec 4, 2008 8:18 PM MST
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At the end of the Jets game
I saw Mustard doing exactly that. He would motion in from a wide set and stop to one side of Jay and provide the extra push up the middle to get Hillis a couple extra yards.
"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game
"I love your analysis of our team. Its kinda like watching a spider monkey trying to figure out a jar of peanuts.. you know whats going on.. you know whats in there, but to actually figure it out, is just a bit beyond your mental skills..."
- Bronco Dano
by DesertBroncoFan on
Dec 5, 2008 8:25 AM MST
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Flexability
With the offense as it is Shanny can do whatever he wants with his running game. Remember that Hillis has done his share of FB and understands perfectly well how to run behind blockers. I think if KC is soft, you will see plenty of 2 back formations with us pounding the ball…as a matter of fact, I would open up the game that way and dare KC to stop Hillis, then pop a play-action deep to Marshall for our first big score! :P
by sadaraine on
Dec 5, 2008 9:53 AM MST
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Now THAT is what I call playcalling.
And I agree. Hillis all day, with a few play actions here and there. I can’t wait for Sunday!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
Dec 5, 2008 1:28 PM MST
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Say guys (and Gals)
I will not be able to do the Trenches piece this week. I am off to the wilds of interior Alaska and will have no computer or even electricity for the next five days. That’s right, I will miss the KC game. I have confidence in our men, GO BRONCOS!! Se you next week.
Excellent post HT , as usual. Thanks.
It all starts in the trenches HT 11/11/08
by firstfan on
Dec 4, 2008 5:12 PM MST
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That sounds pretty cold to me.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on
Dec 4, 2008 5:47 PM MST
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The trenches...
Here’s the very brief low down.
Denver’s OL – Excellent; KC’s DL – Not playing too well.
Denver’s DL – Improving, but suspect; KC’s OL – suspect.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
Dec 4, 2008 6:38 PM MST
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Thanks First!
Stay warm and safe!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
Dec 4, 2008 6:42 PM MST
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nice! I envy you.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
by Zappa on
Dec 4, 2008 7:36 PM MST
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I feel really good about this game. No 'bad gut feeling' like I had with the Oakland game.
That fact Shanny said this is a much better team than when we faced them in KC leads me to believe that he is planning ‘West Coast’ and run this game.
The best defense is a good defense!
And last week's young players. Yes!
by Mike Clark on
Dec 4, 2008 5:38 PM MST
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Thanks once again HT.
You are the Master. Recommended.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on
Dec 4, 2008 5:47 PM MST
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Thanks Trinidad.
I’m not the Master, just a servant trying my best. Always honored to get a rec from Prof. Kingsfield himself! : )
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
Dec 4, 2008 6:43 PM MST
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I consider it my honor.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on
Dec 4, 2008 7:15 PM MST
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Completely off topic
But MAN i hate to be rooting for the raiders.. Can those two please tie?
Remember: New England won 18 last year; Oakland's won 19 in a half-decade
/The great Dane - formerly known as Claaaaas!
by Claus Vestergaard on
Dec 4, 2008 6:30 PM MST
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Yep....
I feel dirty rooting for the raiders as well……like I am being disloyal to my family!!!!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
by boydy2669 on
Dec 4, 2008 6:34 PM MST
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I'd feel dirty rooting for either one.
Still, a SD loss and a Denver win equals playoffs, and a little time to rest and plan. (That doesn’t mean we throw any games, it just means we can go a little easy on our injured guys and not rush them).
Look at it like this. Don’t root for Oak to win, root for SD to lose. It works for me!
: )
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
Dec 4, 2008 6:45 PM MST
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At the end of the first quarter, it's starting to look like a blowout for SD.
But I think most of us figured on that.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
Dec 4, 2008 6:55 PM MST
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I rooted for a tie.
I thought it would have been funny. Still, I got a pretty good laugh out of watching the raiders, well, be the raiders. And hey, we haven’t lost to them in almost three weeks, so I’m feeling pretty satisfied at the moment.
If Mike Shanahan were a hotdog, would you eat him? I know I would. Hell, I'd eat him twice.
by papigrande on
Dec 4, 2008 9:32 PM MST
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Yep....
Man the Raiders suck…..they are oxygen thieves!!!!
Pathetic team with no heart.
And if I hear Mariucci say Russell is going to be a start again I will scream….hes dreadful. (Throwss as INT just I am typoing that!!!!)
Make me hate the Riaders even more
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
by boydy2669 on
Dec 4, 2008 7:03 PM MST
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Explain to me how we lost to this Raiders Team....
Man they are bad……I mean they are REALLY bad!!!!!!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
by boydy2669 on
Dec 4, 2008 7:19 PM MST
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Beats me...
With all the penalties, does the raiders have negative yards?
Remember: New England won 18 last year; Oakland's won 19 in a half-decade
/The great Dane - formerly known as Claaaaas!
by Claus Vestergaard on
Dec 4, 2008 7:31 PM MST
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Turns out
they are at +44 at the 2-minute-warning first half.
Remember: New England won 18 last year; Oakland's won 19 in a half-decade
/The great Dane - formerly known as Claaaaas!
by Claus Vestergaard on
Dec 4, 2008 7:34 PM MST
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I really don't know either.
I was watching the game and was thinking how in the world did we lose to the Raiders…….at home non the less. I mean come on now it’s the Faiders. I hope we get things right and take care of KC.
"It doesn't dissipate" ~ Mike Shanahan
Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 6
by weazel on
Dec 5, 2008 1:12 AM MST
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We came out going for the big plays...
..instead of just moving the chains. It was as if some kid was playing Madden to call in the plays. No patience = turnovers.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
Dec 5, 2008 2:16 AM MST
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yup
and as soon as the faders started to get some confidence, they looked like a real team out there. oak v. SD last night shows what happens when they get put in an early hole, so I can’t fault the game plan going in, which was to break their spirit and end the game early. But when the first half (of our game) was over, it was obvious that oakland had taken their best shot early and they needed to adjust, and they didn’t.
Less than overlooking or bad gameplanning, I thik the team just didn’t have enough repsect for the faders as a team, and frankly I can’t blame them. In the big scheme of things, I think a lot of our players learned a very valuable lesson in that game…
Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.
by styg50 on
Dec 5, 2008 7:39 AM MST
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Also
oakland’s only points last night came from a kick return, which is interesting, since they had one in our game as well…
Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.
by styg50 on
Dec 5, 2008 7:41 AM MST
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Could this be the start of a San Deggo run?
Could they win out? Forcing us to win at least two of our final 4 games?
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Chiefs, Raiders, what’s the difference? It’s hard to see in the basement! - hoosierteacher 12/4/08
by Zappa on
Dec 5, 2008 7:47 AM MST
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Regardless of what SD does, we have control.
So, as long as the Broncos take care of business then what SD does is meaningless. I do think SD is going to try though.
2 Broncos wins = 2009 AFC West division title.
"It doesn't dissipate" ~ Mike Shanahan
Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 6
by weazel on
Dec 5, 2008 9:05 AM MST
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50-0 would be fun
60-0 not impossible…
I’m going to bed, though!
Although Chris Collinsworth is quite entertaining with all his raider-bashing
Remember: New England won 18 last year; Oakland's won 19 in a half-decade
/The great Dane - formerly known as Claaaaas!
by Claus Vestergaard on
Dec 4, 2008 7:37 PM MST
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Haha - priceless
They (raiders) really houldn’t play — Chris Collinsworth
Remember: New England won 18 last year; Oakland's won 19 in a half-decade
/The great Dane - formerly known as Claaaaas!
by Claus Vestergaard on
Dec 4, 2008 7:42 PM MST
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Nice write up HT...can't wait for Sunday!
"His incredible impact during the late '60s and early-to-mid-'70s saved the franchise from relocation and helped the Broncos become the marquee organization it is today." Floyd Little's Tales From The Broncos Sideline
by Steve O' on
Dec 4, 2008 10:26 PM MST
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It should be a good one!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
Dec 5, 2008 2:16 AM MST
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keep in mind
we were rushing 3 in the first game against k.c., and gave huard all day. any qb can use his checkdowns, te’s and screens to move the ball that way, including thigpen. that has all but disappeared, except for a few situations. now, we are rushing the 4 down-linemen, nothing tricky, but it is applying just enough pressure to force the qb to throw it a 1/2 second early. still, no blitzes, and very vanilla. larsen and ww have upgraded the tackling in this unit, it’s a fact. not perfect, but better
it appears champ and d.j. will not be playing in this one, both have been downgraded. it looks like ww, webster, and winborn at lb, at least to start. i’ll save the lb questions for the upcoming post by ht. more pressure on thigpen, and better tackling will win this game going away. i agree, a more patient approach is needed offensively, i thought we learned that in the t.b. win. i love getting the te’s more involved(finally), and don’t forget stokely. the idea of larsen blocking for hillis has me a little excited, actually. how about with graham+mustard blocking! we’ll see if it materializes. one more thing: scheffler is wide open over the middle, don’t throw it to double-covered marshall for pete’s sake! again, patience moving down the field. now let’s go out and paste these guys, shall we?
hear me, perpetrators of bread crime, your punishment is at hand.
taste my blintzkrieg!
by davecheffy on
Dec 5, 2008 11:36 AM MST
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Love it all Dave!
The only small thing I can think of to differ on is Scheff getting open in the middle. I expect KC to zone the middle pretty well, and am hoping Scheff gets open on the seam. From there, he places distance between himself and most of the defense (as opposed to the center of the field, where both sides of the defense are closer). To get a pass to Scheff in the center, Jay will either have to lob over the MLB (risking the INT), or toss underneath (which not only gets Scheff banged up, but does nothing to spread the field horizontaly to open up central lanes for Hillis).
How about Scheff on a screen, or to the seam, or blocking for Stokely?
Yeah baby!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
Dec 5, 2008 1:35 PM MST
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duly noted on the chiefs game,
and correct. i was referring to the past few games. more of a reminder to jay. i think i’ve seen scheff wide open at least 2 times a game lately, usually waving his arm, and then jay throws it up for grabs to marshall in the end zone. it happened in the jets game last week, twice. basically, i’m still wanting jay to look off of marshall(if blanketed), and use his outlet passes(patience), which are usually good for a first down, at least. i know i’m being picky here with jay’s play, but i’m still seeing way too many jump balls that are being knocked down by the receivers, or just dropped. just a concern moving forward that we tend to overlook because we are winning. scheff was all alone, and he didn’t even look his way. still locked in on marshall the whole way, i guess, but when does that start to change? sometimes, as a former chief’s coach would tell you, you have to matriculate the ball down the field
hear me, perpetrators of bread crime, your punishment is at hand.
taste my blintzkrieg!
by davecheffy on
Dec 5, 2008 2:55 PM MST
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Broncos: take a lesson...
from SD concerning how to present yourselves on your home field! Still bitter about the Rai-Duh game I guess, and always will be. Gotta give SD credit tho, 11-0 against the hated Rai-Duhs recently. THAT’S HOW YOU DO IT! Now, just win four, and I’ll probably be okay for the playoffs.
"Be not like dumb-driven cattle...."
by jcps on
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