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Seven Days of Clady--Day #5

The final countdown to the end of the ProBowl voting is almost over, and that means you only have 3 days left to make your vote count!  Dec 9th at Noon EST is the deadline, and time is flying.

To help rally the votes I will be using this series of posts to give you reasons every day to get out and throw some votes up for one of the most impressive rookie campaigns we have had the pleasure of seeing.  I know a lot of you have been trying to vote everyday, and to you I can only say Awesome! and Keep it up!  I have been voting 10 times per day for a little while now, but I recently timed how long it took to vote twenty times on a DSL connection.  It only took me five minutes, so I have decided to up the ante a bit.  If you are up to the challenge, try the following:  set a timer for ten minutes and vote as many times as you can in that ten minute time span.  Try it again tomorrow, to see if you can beat your previous best, and know that it is all for a great cause!

On the Fifth day of Clady... 

Ryan Clady #78

 

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Competition for Limited number of Pro Bowl roster spots

What really matters will be the top five vote getters, as there won't be much movement beyond those five once the fan voting ends.  Two starters will get named out of, most likely, those five, and one reserve will be named, but there is still the possibility for either the fourth or fifth place finisher to get called up in the event of injury.

Jake Long is in the lead as of the 2nd of December, with 160,931 votes.  Behind him is D'brickashaw Ferguson of the Jets, Matt Light of the Pats, Jason Peters of the Bills and Michael Roos of the Titans.  The magic number from Clady will be somewhere between 70,000 and 100,000 votes, in order for him to be among the top 5 after fan voting concludes.  Everything over that should be gravy.

If these guys are Clady's top competition for ProBowl votes, what do they have that he doesn't?  The answer:  Not much.

Matt Light and Jason Peters

Really?  I mean, really?  This folks, is the epitome of name recognition.  A position like tackle may never be subject to the ballot stuffing that the Redskins fans so feverishly engaged in, as some NFL fans don't even know who their own tackles are.  A lot of voters get to the Tackle section of the ballot, and scan for names they recognize.  And while a player like Champ may not be deserving in a year when he has been injured and missed significant time, we can at least still acknowledge that he is tops in the game when healthy, and that his domination at his position has earned him some name recognition votes.  But Matt Light?  he was an iffy choice last year, during a time when there wasn't a lot of standout play at tackle through the whole league.  This year it sounds like a painful joke. 

Forget for a second that the Patriots have allowed their QB to take a shellacing this year, allowing 40 sacks, an average of one every ten plays (compared to once in every 65 plays for Denver), and put aside that nagging notion that perhaps an oline struggling as badly as the Patriots have been is not the best place to be looking for probowlers, and lets just look at Light himself:  6.5 sacks allowed.  Do we need to linger here?  Even if Clady doesn't make it, there are still other tackles more deserving.

Which brings us to Jason Peters.  Besides both having given up 6.5 sacks, Light and Peters have something else in common:  they were both voted to the Pro Bowl last year (Peters was a definitely a deserving candidate in 2007).  Name recognition rears its ugly head.  Add in Peters 8 penalties for over 100 yards this year, and I think we can be forgiven for not considering the merits of these two for this Pro Bowl.

More competition after the jump...

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Michael Roos

Tennessee has had a thoroughly effective offensive line this year, and the only performance that I think is comparable with Clady is that of Roos.  his ZERO sacks allowed leads the league among tackles and with only two penalties, and only false starts at that, says that NO ONE is beating this guy.  If I didn't have my time dedicated to voting for Clady (and in acknowledgement of AZDynamic's advice that to vote other than Clad is to vote against him) I would be voting for Roos.

D'brickashaw Ferguson

Ferguson is an interesting addition to the highest votegetters, in that it seems to be only partly name recognition.  He's been around for a little while, and he has been good.  The Jets are playing well, but are kind of meh in certain areas, like sacks allowed (23 for 1 per 17 plays) and ranking in the middle of the pack in rushing statistics (though they have an excellent back in Thomas Jones).  Nothing spectacular.  But Brett Favre changes the whole situation.  Where he goes, players get noticed.  Favre has always had a halo of media attention about him, and Ferguson in 2nd place in pro bowl voting seems to be a correlation of that.  Add in Ferguson's own name recognition and I think a very common formula once again rears its head.

Jake Long

I have saved the best for last, both in terms of talent and discussion.  First let me clarify, that this analysis in no way is meant to disparage Long's talent or argue that Long does not belong in the Pro Bowl.  As the leader in current votes, I intend only to compare him to Clady, and indicate why Clady deserves a lot of votes himself.

The rule of thumb for those who have critically analyzed Jake and Ryan, is that Long is a better run blocker and Clady is a better pass blocker.  That is fine.  You won't get an argument from me about that.  But beneath that generalization are some surprising pieces of information that make us look at both players a little differently.

2.5 sacks.  That is what the stat sheets say.  Ask a (reasonable) Dolphin fan how many sacks Long has given up, and he will tell you 1.5 (or even 1).  They all point to the same play, early in the year (first game I believe) where Long had his guy under control, and Pennington spun the wrong way and into the waiting arms of the defender.  I'll let them have that, if they are 100% confident they want it.  While a case could be made that it was the pressure that Long allowed on the play that got Pennington scrambling, I can understand where fin fans are coming from.  We make the same case for Clady's half sack, i.e., that it is bogus.  My point is that not all sacks are created equal, and that when only two sacks separate you, it is a stat that should not be held in the highest esteem.  5 sacks or 6?  Sure, now we are talking a serious difference in talent.  But 2, 1, .5?  That is a thin line for a stat that is difficult to assign and record sometimes.  Long is actually a standout pass blocker as well, though he does have trouble with speedy edge rushers (like most LTs in the NFL).  Clady may have the fastest kick-step (the move used to neutralize fast pass rushers) in the NFL right now, so there is still some merit to the generalization, so far.

But more surprising than that is what crops up when we compare the two in the running game, and what they mean to their teams respective running attacks.

Adjusted Line Yardage  is a terrific stat from football outsiders for evaluating running games.  I won't go into the math, but the purpose of the stat is to separate the RB from the oline, statistically, grading how much of a run is due to RB prowress and to the work done by the oline.

It is no surprise that a team like the dolphins with two VERY good starting backs in Ricky Williams and Ronnie Brown (and Brown is of the Elite caliber) and a solid backup in Cobb, as well as a predelicition for funky plays (re: wildcat) out of which to run the ball, has at best an average Adjusted Line Yardage (ALY).  At 16th overall they rate at exactly Average. This means that the oline is average, not the running game, and that if the running game appears to be excellent, the RBs should be getting a lot of credit, and deservedly so. 

It is also no surprise (to us) that Denver ranks highly in this statistic, as we are on our fifth tailback of the year.  In fact, we rank #1 overall.  Our running game is more dependent on the skills of our oline than any running game in the league.

Where it get really interesting is to look at the distribution and succes of runs.  In Denver, we know that Clady can clear some roads.  Hillis' TD run vs. the Falcons featured Clady the Human Bulldozer.  It is cool, but not terribly surprising to know that denver ranks first and second in the league respectively, to runs on the left and right side of Clady.  This is, after all the nature of the cutback run.  The result of this is that Denver has favored Clady's side in the rushing game, nearly doubling the league average for runs off LT and between LG and LT.  (for fun, They are also #1 running behind Harris and Graham on the RS).

In contrast, Jake Long, who is generally considered the superior run blocker, is not favored by the Dolphins in their rushing attack.  In fact, in a  league that prefers to run strongside by a large margin (which is usually the right side of the oline), the Dolphins prefer the right side slightly more than most.  Why would they shun their #1 rookie's side of the field?

Part of it has to do with the play of their right guard, J.Smiley.  Smiley ranks in the bottom third of linemen in adjusted line yards, and beside him, Jake Long checks in with a merely average 15th.  Contrasted with the opposite side of the line, where teh Fins rate 3rd and 7th in the league, it is not odd to see them favor the side of the field opposite of Jake Long.  he has been put in a position to succeed with the Dolphins, and in no way has he not lived up to his #1 pick status.  So what does that say about Clady?  The coaches around the league have indicated that it says a lot.  And the opponents he has faced have been quick to praise him.

Again, name recognition seems to have played a role in how the chips have fallen so far.  By far the most widely talked about player leading up the NFL draft (followed by McFadden), Long came from a bigtime college program (Michigan) where he had a ton of success.  Clady on the other hand came from a mountain school that was lucky to lure any bigtime schools into a match--and NEVER on their own turf in Idaho--and he was ranked highly only by insiders and scouts.  No talking head wanted to waste their time on him until it was obvious that he was at the top of the board to stay. One need look no further than the fact that perhaps the top talent at OT in the draft lasted until pick 12, where another mountain town, scouting its own backyard was more than happy to see him and nab him up, as proof that Clady was considered an unknown.

Ok.  Worked out fine for us.  Now lets change that, and make him known.  His name on a Pro Bowl jersey will be hard to ignore.

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What they look like on film...

1. Matt Light is a fraud, just like Dan Koppen is a fraud. Both made the Pro Bowl last year, helped by the fact that Tom Brady moves well within the pocket and gets the ball out fast. Light, especially, has been getting dominated this season by good pass rushers.

2. Jason Peters can be outstanding, and has been much better lately, (as the Bills’ season has tanked.) He skipped camp this year, looking for money, and came in out of shape, and un-knowledgeable of the new scheme that Turk Schonert installed. He has Pro Bowl ability, but has not had a Pro Bowl year.

3. D’Brickashaw Ferguson is average at best. He is too light in the lower body, and is very susceptible to a good bull rush. He doesn’t get much push in the run game either. He’s really nothing special at all, and is a semi-bust as a 4th overall pick.

4. Jake Long is good, and will continue to improve as time goes on. He will never be as good as Ryan Clady, though, because he is a few levels below Ryan as an athlete. Jake is a good fit for a Parcells type of team, and is a lot like fellow Michigan alum and Parcells disciple Jumbo Elliott. His ceiling is to be dominant in the run game, and a little above average in the passing game. I would say he’d be better at RT, but Vernon Carey has been superb for the Dolphins there this season.

The following is an off-the-top-of-my-head ranking at each position (League-wide.) It’s based on games I watched, and no stats are incorporated.

Left Tackles

1. Ryan Clady (DEN)
2. Joe Thomas (CLE)
3. Michael Roos (TEN)
4. Walter Jones (SEA)
5. Bryant McKinnie (MIN)
6. Mike Gandy (ARZ)
7. Jake Long (MIA)
8. Marcus McNeill (SD)
9. Joe Staley (SFO)
10. Jason Peters (BUF)

Left Guards

1. Steve Hutchinson (MIN)
2. Logan Mankins (NE)
3. Eric Steinbach (CLE)
4. Ben Grubbs (BAL)
5. Alan Faneca (NYJ)
6. Pete Kendall (WAS)
7. Arron Sears (TB)
8. Chester Pitts (HOU)
9. Robert Gallery (OAK)
10. Kris Dielman (SD)

Centers

1. Olin Kreutz (CHI)
2. Nick Mangold (NYJ)
3. Casey Wiegmann (DEN)
4. Jeff Faine (NO)
5. Kevin Mawae (TEN)
6. Samson Satele (MIA)
7. Ryan Kalil (CAR)
8. Chris Spencer (SEA)
9. Jeff Saturday (IND)
10. Andre Gurode (DAL)

Right Guards

1. Chris Snee (NYG)
2. Jahri Evans (NO)
3. Leonard Davis (DAL)
4. Keydrick Vincent (CAR)
5. Chris Kuper (DEN)
6. Jake Scott (TEN)
7. Brandon Moore (NYJ)
8. Bobbie Williams (CIN)
9. Jason Spitz (GB)
10. Randy Thomas (WAS)

Right Tackles

1. Kareem McKenzie (NYG)
2. Ryan Harris (DEN)
3. David Stewart (TEN)
4. Eric Winston (HOU)
5. Marc Colombo (DAL)
6. Jeff Otah (CAR)
7. Adam Terry (BAL)
8. Jon Runyan (PHI)
9. Damien Woody (NYJ)
10. Levi Brown (ARZ)

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Dec 7, 2008 7:58 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

I don't want to bust your balls or anything

But i think the Giants’ o-line is top-10 (maybe even 5!) on every position so far this year.

And I think, Bryant McKinnie and Walter Jones might be name-recognition, though I haven’t seen much of their play. I’ve heard no talk about Jones anywhere, and all the talk I’ve heard about McKinnie has been negative. Plus he started the year being suspended for 4 weeks.

Random quotes about the raiders:
They really shouldn’t play — Chris Collinsworth (12/5/08)
This is an utter disaster — Chris Collinsworth (12/5/08)
/The great Dane - formerly known as Claaaaas!

by Claus Vestergaard on Dec 7, 2008 8:32 AM MST up reply actions  

Giants O-Line

David Diehl is lousy in pass protection at LT, but good in the running game. Shaun O’Hara would be my #11 Center, and Rich Seubert would be 11 or 12ish at LG in my mind. As a unit, the Giants’ line is excellent, but this was a listing of individual performance, based upon what I have seen.

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Dec 7, 2008 8:55 AM MST up reply actions  

fair enough

difference of oppinion :)

Random quotes about the raiders:
They really shouldn’t play — Chris Collinsworth (12/5/08)
This is an utter disaster — Chris Collinsworth (12/5/08)
/The great Dane - formerly known as Claaaaas!

by Claus Vestergaard on Dec 7, 2008 9:22 AM MST up reply actions  

McKinnie and Jones

McKinnie missed the first 4 games with a suspension, but his play has been outstanding since returning. I’ve never been a fan of his before, but film doesn’t lie. Jones plays in forgotten Seattle, and they’re losing this year, but he has only lost half a step since being universally considered the best LT in the game. It’s not his fault at all that Seattle has fallen so much.

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Dec 7, 2008 8:58 AM MST up reply actions  

This is a great list Ted

Your top 3 AFC tackles would make a great pro bowl roster.

Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.

by Jeremy Bolander on Dec 7, 2008 8:42 AM MST up reply actions  

Justin Smiley has been one of the very best guards this year

Along with those of the Giants, ofc.

The reason he doesn’t show up in the stats, i think, is that the Dolphins use A LOT of pulling guards. In the wild cat, there’s ALWAYS a pulling guard.

Needless to say I voted for him and Hamilton for the pro bowl…

Random quotes about the raiders:
They really shouldn’t play — Chris Collinsworth (12/5/08)
This is an utter disaster — Chris Collinsworth (12/5/08)
/The great Dane - formerly known as Claaaaas!

by Claus Vestergaard on Dec 7, 2008 8:20 AM MST reply actions  

This comes as a surprise to me

not so much for the stats, but I remember when Long got burnt for a safety, against oakland, and it seems like it was because Smiley stepped on him. Not an endictment in itself, but the Fins fans were ready to bench smiley after that one, so I figured they must have had a history with him.

He does pull a lot though, and I wanted to note that Long also gets asked to do some pulling plays, and they really shouldn’t ask him. He is terrible on the move like that. (terrible may be a bit harsh, but he is certainly at his personal worst).

Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.

by Jeremy Bolander on Dec 7, 2008 8:39 AM MST up reply actions  

Top this

 157 votes while listening to J Vernan McGee this morning—or at least somewhere around there. I averaged right at 7 votes every two minutes for Cutler, Harris and Clady for just over 45 minutes.

The best defense is a good defense!
And last week's young players. Yes!

by Mike Clark on Dec 7, 2008 8:24 AM MST reply actions  

Wow!

You are outdoing yourself Mike! And great advice! If anyone is sitting around listening to an MHR radio podcast or something, load the ballot in the background and start clicking…

You rock Mike!

Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.

by Jeremy Bolander on Dec 7, 2008 8:36 AM MST up reply actions  

Why not vote...

…for Royal, Marshall, and Graham while you’re at it? It takes very little time to vote for another player – the time thing is getting the site up, then submitting your vote, and waiting for it to refresh.

Row, row, row your boat,
Gently down the stream
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily,
Life is but a dream.

by bradley on Dec 7, 2008 10:04 AM MST up reply actions  

Yeah Mike Clark!!!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.

by boydy2669 on Dec 7, 2008 8:25 AM MST reply actions  

where can we find the overall vote count standings?

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by Bob_Bell on Dec 7, 2008 8:33 AM MST reply actions  

I have no idea

they update certain media members with the info, but they must have certain rules about how they are allowed to deliver the information, because no one ever posts every position with its current votes. At best they will list the votes for any of a specific teams players, as long as they are in the top 5.

I think the NFL doesn’t want people privy to who has how many votes because they are afraid that any fans whose favorite players aren’t in the top five won’t bother to vote. I think they are selling fans short, and missing a golden opportunity…

Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.

by Jeremy Bolander on Dec 7, 2008 8:50 AM MST up reply actions  

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