The MHR Rumor Pit -- Broncos In 'Three-Way'???
ProFootball Talk has reported the Broncos could be involved in the three-way deal once the trade embargo is lifted --
As the 2008 league year quickly approaches, there's talk of a possible three-way trade.
We're told that the Jets, Lions, and Broncos are talking about a deal that would send Detroit defensive tackle Shaun Rogers to New York, Jets defensive tackle Dewayne Robertson to the Broncos, and Denver cornerback Dominique Foxworth and a second-round pick to the Lions.
The Lions also are looking at a trade for Jets linebacker Jonathan Vilma.
As far as the Broncos are concerned, that deal would be Foxy for Robertson. Would you do it?? I think I would, I really do....
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I posted this already, spoke to the dude about it
ME:
I had to track you down. I've been following this three way Jets-Lions-Broncos trade story all week and I would like to know how reliable your source is. I just can't see Denver giving up Foxworth and a 2nd round pick for Robertson. Robertson has never lived up to his first round status, so I am having trouble understanding how this could be true. Please give me a grade on your source - A, B, C, D, or F. I must know so I can tell my fellow Bronco fans how reliable this news is...most of us are freaking out over this. I would really appreciate it.
His REPLY:
not sure. comes from a guy who is pretty plugged in.
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I don't know about you, but hearing that makes me feel better about the situation. Only a little better.
I would be pretty pissed off if we unloaded a 2nd rounder and Foxy for a guy who hasn't proven his worth yet. Robertson isn't worth a 2nd and Foxy...no way!
by Zappa on Feb 28, 2008 10:20 AM MST 0 recs
Sorry, Zap....
BTW, Florio gets lucky alot, sometimes by putting 2 and 2 together....
by TheSportsGuru on
Feb 28, 2008 10:47 AM MST
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Forio gets lucky alot, I don't like that...
I think my 2 and 2 is much more realistic. :P
by Zappa on
Feb 28, 2008 11:54 AM MST
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I think
Rogers is worth a 2nd and Foxworth.
Therefore, my 2 and 2 is a much more realistic possibility. :P
lol
by Zappa on
Feb 28, 2008 11:55 AM MST
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I would do it if it only included Foxworth.
by sirsam on Feb 28, 2008 10:45 AM MST 0 recs
Only if...
by MN Bronco on Feb 28, 2008 10:51 AM MST 0 recs
Vilma is in Detroit working out
by Zappa on
Feb 28, 2008 11:54 AM MST
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Maybe
And the only reason the Jets are involved is because they are seeking a SEPARATE trade with Vilma.
Perhaps the Lions wish to use our Second rounder in that trade.
I think Rogers is more likely to be worth a 2nd and Foxy than would be Robertson(who is a 1st round FLOP).
by Zappa on Feb 28, 2008 12:01 PM MST 0 recs
In this scenario....
If we give our 2nd and Foxy for Robertson that would be the worst trade in history....
by TheSportsGuru on
Feb 28, 2008 12:16 PM MST
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Any trade that brings in Robertson
by Zappa on
Feb 28, 2008 12:20 PM MST
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Check that.
by Zappa on
Feb 28, 2008 12:20 PM MST
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What?!?!?!
by nheimler on Feb 28, 2008 12:53 PM MST 0 recs
Updated update
POSTED 10:40 a.m. EST, February 28, 2008
FINS AFTER ROGERS
Earlier this week, it appeared that Lions defensive tackle Shaun Rogers could land in Denver. Then he was linked to a three-way deal that would send him to the Jets.
Now, the Miami Dolphins could be after him.
Per Tom Kowalski of Mlive.com, the Fins are involved in trade talks for the veteran defensive tackle. Kowalski says that Miami V.P. of football operations Bill Parcells previously has spoken of Rogers in glowing terms.
But Parcells also has said that he wants no "thugs and hoodlums" on his team. Last year, Rogers was accused of roughing up a dancer at a strip club. No formal charges ever were filed. He also has been suspended for violation of the policy on anabolic steroids and related substances.
by MN Bronco on Feb 28, 2008 1:02 PM MST 0 recs
Marcus Stroud, too
POSTED 11:03 a.m. EST, February 28, 2008
STROUD FOR SALE
Though few quality interior defensive linemen can be had in free agency, several are available on the trade market.
Joining Shaun Rogers of the Lions, Dewayne Robertson of the Jets, and Kris Jenkins of the Panthers is Marcus Stroud of the Jaguars.
A league source has confirmed that Stroud has been given permission to shop himself in a trade. Under his contract, Stroud is due to receive salaries of $5 million, $5.5 million, and $6 million over the next three seasons.
Last year, Stroud was suspended for four games due to a violation of the league's policy on anabolic steroids and related substances. He also missed several games due to injury.
If Stroud is traded, the Jags presumably will go with John Henderson and Rob Meier at defensive tackle. (We previously mentioned Grady Jackson as a possible starter, but he's an unrestricted free agent.)
The Falcons could be interested in Stroud, since former Jags defensive coordinator Mike Smith is now the head coach there.
A reader tells us that the news regarding Stroud initially was reported by our friends at 1010XL in Jacksonville.
by MN Bronco on Feb 28, 2008 1:03 PM MST 0 recs
I'd pay Stroud whatever he wants...
Denver needs to stop screwing around and pay the big money and draft picks on a worthy player.
by Zappa on
Feb 28, 2008 1:10 PM MST
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His game is been down
by amirebram on
Feb 28, 2008 3:33 PM MST
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Didn't Stroud
by styg50 on
Feb 28, 2008 3:45 PM MST
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Yup, he was suspended 4 games I think
by amirebram on
Feb 29, 2008 3:39 AM MST
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I say
by TommyTSlice on Feb 28, 2008 1:52 PM MST 0 recs
Robertson
by nycbroncosfan on Feb 28, 2008 1:59 PM MST 0 recs
I should add...
by nycbroncosfan on
Feb 28, 2008 2:02 PM MST
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The Jets
I'll take him, but not for a 2nd and Foxworth. Maybe a 4th and Foxworth is more fair IMO.
by Zappa on
Feb 28, 2008 2:25 PM MST
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Randy Moss
Marshall,Moss, and Stokely sounds pretty good to me.
by TommyTSlice on Feb 28, 2008 2:41 PM MST 0 recs
I don't think NE will allow Moss to leave...
by Zappa on
Feb 28, 2008 2:47 PM MST
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This seems like too much to me
Denver outgoing: Foxworth CB
Denver incoming: Robertson DL
Detroit outgoing: Rogers DL
Detroit incoming: #2 Pick, Foxworth CB
NY Outgoing: Robertson DL, #2 Pick
NY Incoming: Rogers DL
That seems more balanced. Or, as a thought, what if something got lost in the translation and it's:
Denver outgoing: Foxworth CB, #2 Pick
Denver incoming: Robertson DL, Rogers DL
Detroit outgoing: Rogers DL
Detroit incoming: #2 Pick
NY Outgoing: Robertson DL
NY Incoming: Foxworth
I'd do either of the above deals, but I don't think that I'd do the deal as a #2 and Foxy for Robertson. It'll drive me batty if they do that.
by rcmanning on Feb 28, 2008 2:48 PM MST 0 recs
Ditto
by Zappa on
Feb 28, 2008 3:03 PM MST
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Robertson and Rogers?
by amirebram on
Feb 28, 2008 3:35 PM MST
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Foxworth's value versus Robertson and/or Rodgers
Robertson is a 4-3 DT who has been playing Nose Tackle ever since Mangini switched his defensive alignment to a 3-4. He's a 2 gap beast with a high motor. He's been praised as a high character guy as well. He's not big enough to play NT. Last year he only tallied 1.5 sacks, but the 4 prior years he got 4, 2.5, 3.5, and 3 (very good for a DT) in that order and he's only missed 3 games in his career in a 5 year span. By no means is he considered a bust, but had a down year last year,mostly because he's playing out of position. The offense will be sure to account for him on each play as well. Some of Vilma's success can likely be attributed to Robertson's skill over the past few seasons as Vilma's lead-blocker.
Foxworth is a Nickel/Dime CB on a team without a ton of depth at corner. He can fill in at Safety in a pinch. He is fast and has good footwork, but with his back to the ball, loses touch with the play. With Bly and Bailey starting, the only chance he'll get to start is with an injury. He is a good performer and solid contributor, but not a starter, ball hawk, or "playmaker". The best value he provides to Denver is depth and consistency.
I think it's fairly evident (my opinion) that Denver can't deal Foxy straight up for one of these guys. A 2nd rounder's a good fit for Robertson, but, considering Denver's desperate need for a DT, it's worth it. Also, consider that Denver won't have to look DT early in the draft and can concentrate on other needs. Niether the Jets nor the Lions want anything to do with Walker, so get that idea out of your heads. Denver would be LUCKY to get Rogers for Foxy and a #2 and smart to get D. Robertson for Foxy and a #2.
Finally, on Vilma, the guy is awesome, and would take a lot more than we're offering in the Rogers/Robertson deal to pry him free from the Jets. The big issue is that he had knee surgery in mid-November, and its assumed that its an ACL. It typically takes a year to get through that surgery and the last thing the Broncos need is to shuffle, then reshuffle the LB corps right before the season.
by super7 on Feb 28, 2008 4:49 PM MST 0 recs
Excellent thoughts as always 7
I like what you have to say about Robertson though. I agree (and wrote elsewhere) that sack numbers aren't always a fair way to measure a DT. The fact that he has a good head on his shoulders, and the fact that he was a DT stuck trying to play at NT makes me feel pretty good about him.
I disagree that we don't have depth at CB. We have crazy good depth at the position. I think we are thin at SAF though. In fact, it is because we have four solid to excellent CBs that I think we are willing to deal Foxy. I agree with the assesment on Fox, except that I would add he is viable at nickle (where Paymah just beat him out).
I also agree that Vilma is awesome (even underated!), but agree too with your assesment that we can't play the shuffle game as well as chance the injury issue.
Bottom line: I think Robertson sounds like the answer, and Foxy + 2nd round pick sounds like a heck of a good deal to me. I still say heck no on Rogers.
by hoosierteacher on
Feb 28, 2008 5:22 PM MST
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The problem is ...
Just look back to 06 draft. We gave a 2nd round pick for Walker. Now walker is 30 due a 5 Mil bonus and a 5 Mil salary.
We could have drafted a young player who would have been with the team for years, with a much small salary figure. Is there a bust risk? Sure, but no more than the injury risk we took with Walker.
I say no to any trade that involves a draft pick. If we have needs, then we have to fill them the right way. Draft or sign a FA. Don't give up future for an average today.
We could use that 2nd round pick on a guy like Pat Sims... A young guy with a ton of talent, and while Robertson is a known commodity who has maxed out, Sims is the type who could become dominant.
Even if he doesn't, I would be happier with the Broncos getting their own guys out of school.
by amirebram on
Feb 29, 2008 3:45 AM MST
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