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The MHR Rumor Pit -- Broncos In 'Three-Way'???

ProFootball Talk has reported the Broncos could be involved in the three-way deal once the trade embargo is lifted --

MENAGE-A-TRADE IN THE WORKS?

As the 2008 league year quickly approaches, there's talk of a possible three-way trade.

We're told that the Jets, Lions, and Broncos are talking about a deal that would send Detroit defensive tackle Shaun Rogers to New York, Jets defensive tackle Dewayne Robertson to the Broncos, and Denver cornerback Dominique Foxworth and a second-round pick to the Lions.

The Lions also are looking at a trade for Jets linebacker Jonathan Vilma.

As far as the Broncos are concerned, that deal would be Foxy for Robertson.  Would you do it??  I think I would, I really do....

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I posted this already, spoke to the dude about it
So I contacted the author of this story asking him to GRADE HIS SOURCE. He didn't give me a grade, but here is my inquiry and his reply:

ME:

I had to track you down. I've been following this three way Jets-Lions-Broncos trade story all week and I would like to know how reliable your source is. I just can't see Denver giving up Foxworth and a 2nd round pick for Robertson. Robertson has never lived up to his first round status, so I am having trouble understanding how this could be true. Please give me a grade on your source - A, B, C, D, or F. I must know so I can tell my fellow Bronco fans how reliable this news is...most of us are freaking out over this. I would really appreciate it.

His REPLY:

not sure. comes from a guy who is pretty plugged in.

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I don't know about you, but hearing that makes me feel better about the situation. Only a little better.

I would be pretty pissed off if we unloaded a 2nd rounder and Foxy for a guy who hasn't proven his worth yet.  Robertson isn't worth a 2nd and Foxy...no way!

2007=1995 all over again: http://www.milehighreport.com/story/2007/10/1/202724/157

by Zappa on Feb 28, 2008 10:20 AM MST   0 recs

Sorry, Zap....
Should have known better...

BTW, Florio gets lucky alot, sometimes by putting 2 and 2 together....

by TheSportsGuru on Feb 28, 2008 10:47 AM MST to parent up   0 recs

Forio gets lucky alot, I don't like that...
foxy and a 2nd for a first round flop?  26 million the Jets have paid for 14 and a half career sacks???  What the hell is our FO thinking???

I think my 2 and 2 is much more realistic.  :P  

2007=1995 all over again: http://www.milehighreport.com/story/2007/10/1/202724/157

by Zappa on Feb 28, 2008 11:54 AM MST to parent up   0 recs

I think
Robertson is worth a 4th round only...

Rogers is worth a 2nd and Foxworth.

Therefore, my 2 and 2 is a much more realistic possibility. :P

lol

2007=1995 all over again: http://www.milehighreport.com/story/2007/10/1/202724/157

by Zappa on Feb 28, 2008 11:55 AM MST to parent up   0 recs

I would do it if it only included Foxworth.
It seems like a 2nd round pick is too high of a price.

by sirsam on Feb 28, 2008 10:45 AM MST   0 recs

Only if...
I'd throw in the 2nd rounder only if it included Vilma going to Denver as well. Glad to hear its not Rogers going to the Donks, too.
Or so I'm told.

by MN Bronco on Feb 28, 2008 10:51 AM MST   0 recs

Vilma is in Detroit working out
so my guess is he may be going there.
2007=1995 all over again: http://www.milehighreport.com/story/2007/10/1/202724/157

by Zappa on Feb 28, 2008 11:54 AM MST to parent up   0 recs

Maybe
We are getting too complicated here.  What if the trade is actually just our 2nd round and Foxy for Rogers.

And the only reason the Jets are involved is because they are seeking a SEPARATE trade with Vilma.

Perhaps the Lions wish to use our Second rounder in that trade.

I think Rogers is more likely to be worth a 2nd and Foxy than would be Robertson(who is a 1st round FLOP).

2007=1995 all over again: http://www.milehighreport.com/story/2007/10/1/202724/157

by Zappa on Feb 28, 2008 12:01 PM MST   0 recs

In this scenario....
I am assuming the Vilma deal would be seperate, and the Jets would give their 2nd for Rogers, not us...

If we give our 2nd and Foxy for Robertson that would be the worst trade in history....

by TheSportsGuru on Feb 28, 2008 12:16 PM MST to parent up   0 recs

Any trade that brings in Robertson
for our 2nd and Foxy would be the second worst trade in HISTORY.  H. Walker in the 80's was pretty bad. ;)
2007=1995 all over again: http://www.milehighreport.com/story/2007/10/1/202724/157

by Zappa on Feb 28, 2008 12:20 PM MST to parent up   0 recs

Check that.
3rd worst in history.  The Colts trading away Elway was pretty bad too. :)
2007=1995 all over again: http://www.milehighreport.com/story/2007/10/1/202724/157

by Zappa on Feb 28, 2008 12:20 PM MST to parent up   0 recs

What?!?!?!
I would definitely NOT do this.  We loose a good CB AND a 2nd round pick.  No way Jose!  I hope this does NOT go down.  I would be so ticked about this trade.  Wow...what are the smoking.  Did they find "leftovers" Henry had hidden away? :)

by nheimler on Feb 28, 2008 12:53 PM MST   0 recs

Updated update
There is a more current post on PFT that has teh Dolphins getting in the race for Rogers:

POSTED 10:40 a.m. EST, February 28, 2008

FINS AFTER ROGERS

Earlier this week, it appeared that Lions defensive tackle Shaun Rogers could land in Denver.  Then he was linked to a three-way deal that would send him to the Jets.

Now, the Miami Dolphins could be after him.

Per Tom Kowalski of Mlive.com, the Fins are involved in trade talks for the veteran defensive tackle.  Kowalski says that Miami V.P. of football operations Bill Parcells previously has spoken of Rogers in glowing terms.

But Parcells also has said that he wants no "thugs and hoodlums" on his team.  Last year, Rogers was accused of roughing up a dancer at a strip club.  No formal charges ever were filed.  He also has been suspended for violation of the policy on anabolic steroids and related substances.

Or so I'm told.

by MN Bronco on Feb 28, 2008 1:02 PM MST   0 recs

Marcus Stroud, too
They also have a post about Marcus Stroud being shopped:

POSTED 11:03 a.m. EST, February 28, 2008

STROUD FOR SALE

Though few quality interior defensive linemen can be had in free agency, several are available on the trade market.

Joining Shaun Rogers of the Lions, Dewayne Robertson of the Jets, and Kris Jenkins of the Panthers is Marcus Stroud of the Jaguars.

A league source has confirmed that Stroud has been given permission to shop himself in a trade.  Under his contract, Stroud is due to receive salaries of $5 million, $5.5 million, and $6 million over the next three seasons.

Last year, Stroud was suspended for four games due to a violation of the league's policy on anabolic steroids and related substances.  He also missed several games due to injury.

If Stroud is traded, the Jags presumably will go with John Henderson and Rob Meier at defensive tackle.  (We previously mentioned Grady Jackson as a possible starter, but he's an unrestricted free agent.)  

The Falcons could be interested in Stroud, since former Jags defensive coordinator Mike Smith is now the head coach there.

A reader tells us that the news regarding Stroud initially was reported by our friends at 1010XL in Jacksonville.

Or so I'm told.

by MN Bronco on Feb 28, 2008 1:03 PM MST   0 recs

I'd pay Stroud whatever he wants...
that guy is domninate on the interior line.  A Big part of why Jax defense has been so good in recent years.  

Denver needs to stop screwing around and pay the big money and draft picks on a worthy player.

2007=1995 all over again: http://www.milehighreport.com/story/2007/10/1/202724/157

by Zappa on Feb 28, 2008 1:10 PM MST to parent up   0 recs

His game is been down
and He is 31. Not sure if we are going to get our dollar's worth out of this guy. What if we give up a draft pick and have the guy play for about 2 years? Then what? At least if we pick someone we get the chance to keep them for a while, and they would come in cheap.
Orange County is hot. Really! Haven't you seen the weather report?

by amirebram on Feb 28, 2008 3:33 PM MST to parent up   0 recs

Didn't Stroud
have steroid issues with the league?
I wish my sig was as cool as mdierks!

by styg50 on Feb 28, 2008 3:45 PM MST to parent up   0 recs

Yup, he was suspended 4 games I think
And he will be on the watch list (1 year the next time he is caught).
Orange County is hot. Really! Haven't you seen the weather report?

by amirebram on Feb 29, 2008 3:39 AM MST to parent up   0 recs

I say
Screw robertson and rogers go after Vilma. Please go after him...Unless we plan on signing Lance Briggs...Trade for VILMA!!!!!!!!!!!
Baby TO My new Fav Player

by TommyTSlice on Feb 28, 2008 1:52 PM MST   0 recs

Robertson
Why does everyone think he's been such a bust so far? I realize these are just numbers, but McKinley and Thomas last year combined for 34 total tackles and 2.5 sacks. Robertson alone had 57 tackles and 4 sacks. Yet, everyone would prefer Shaun Rogers who had 39 tackles and 7 sacks? I'm a little confused...

by nycbroncosfan on Feb 28, 2008 1:59 PM MST   0 recs

I should add...
that what is being said here in NY is that he's just too small for the 3-4 defense the Jets play. To me, that doesn't say anything bad about Robertson - trust me, Jets writers and fans are the first to dish out blame, and in large heaping servings. So what gives?

by nycbroncosfan on Feb 28, 2008 2:02 PM MST to parent up   0 recs

The Jets
traded two first round draft picks to get Robertson at #4.  In 5 seasons, Robertson has been paid 20 something million dollars and he has a grand total of 14.5 sacks.  

I'll take him, but not for a 2nd and Foxworth.  Maybe a 4th and Foxworth is more fair IMO.

2007=1995 all over again: http://www.milehighreport.com/story/2007/10/1/202724/157

by Zappa on Feb 28, 2008 2:25 PM MST to parent up   0 recs

Randy Moss
ESPN.com is reporting its a wild card that the broncos might make a run at Randy Moss...What do you guys think?

Marshall,Moss, and Stokely sounds pretty good to me.

Baby TO My new Fav Player

by TommyTSlice on Feb 28, 2008 2:41 PM MST   0 recs

I don't think NE will allow Moss to leave...
Although being able to play against the Raiders twice a year might entice him over.  I understand that he hated playing there. :)
2007=1995 all over again: http://www.milehighreport.com/story/2007/10/1/202724/157

by Zappa on Feb 28, 2008 2:47 PM MST to parent up   0 recs

This seems like too much to me
It seems like a #2 and Foxy is WAY too much for Robertson, BUT, after re-reading the original transcript, it says "A" #2 to the Lions. Could this mean it would be:

Denver outgoing: Foxworth CB
Denver incoming: Robertson DL

Detroit outgoing: Rogers DL
Detroit incoming: #2 Pick, Foxworth CB

NY Outgoing: Robertson DL, #2 Pick
NY Incoming: Rogers DL

That seems more balanced. Or, as a thought, what if something got lost in the translation and it's:

Denver outgoing: Foxworth CB, #2 Pick
Denver incoming: Robertson DL, Rogers DL

Detroit outgoing: Rogers DL
Detroit incoming: #2 Pick

NY Outgoing: Robertson DL
NY Incoming: Foxworth

I'd do either of the above deals, but I don't think that I'd do the deal as a #2 and Foxy for Robertson. It'll drive me batty if they do that.

by rcmanning on Feb 28, 2008 2:48 PM MST   0 recs

Ditto
I have a feeling we won't be giving up as much.  Denver has a history of getting the upper hand in negotiations. :)
2007=1995 all over again: http://www.milehighreport.com/story/2007/10/1/202724/157

by Zappa on Feb 28, 2008 3:03 PM MST to parent up   0 recs

Robertson and Rogers?
That is something... I reminds me of last year when all the talk was about Jenkins, then Shanny came out ans said that he had never been an option. Not even talked about.
Orange County is hot. Really! Haven't you seen the weather report?

by amirebram on Feb 28, 2008 3:35 PM MST to parent up   0 recs

Foxworth's value versus Robertson and/or Rodgers
Rogers is considered (by ESPN) a top 4 DT in the NFL.  He has a rediculous first step.  He has some issues surrounding his character.  He is a disruptive force and a great tackler.  He has the ability to take over a quarter or two (remember the Denver game this year?).  He is fairly durable and aside from missing 10 games in his 2nd year, he's only missed 4 games in his 7 year career.  He will always need to be accounted for by the offense on every play.

Robertson is a 4-3 DT who has been playing Nose Tackle ever since Mangini switched his defensive alignment to a 3-4.  He's a 2 gap beast with a high motor.  He's been praised as a high character guy as well.  He's not big enough to play NT.  Last year he only tallied 1.5 sacks, but the 4 prior years he got 4, 2.5, 3.5, and 3 (very good for a DT) in that order and he's only missed 3 games in his career in a 5 year span.  By no means is he considered a bust, but had a down year last year,mostly because he's playing out of position.  The offense will be sure to account for him on each play as well. Some of Vilma's success can likely be attributed to Robertson's skill over the past few seasons as Vilma's lead-blocker.

Foxworth is a Nickel/Dime CB on a team without a ton of depth at corner.  He can fill in at Safety in a pinch.  He is fast and has good footwork, but with his back to the ball, loses touch with the play.  With Bly and Bailey starting, the only chance he'll get to start is with an injury.  He is a good performer and solid contributor, but not a starter, ball hawk, or "playmaker". The best value he provides to Denver is depth and consistency.

I think it's fairly evident (my opinion) that Denver can't deal Foxy straight up for one of these guys.  A 2nd rounder's a good fit for Robertson, but, considering Denver's desperate need for a DT, it's worth it.  Also, consider that Denver won't have to look DT early in the draft and can concentrate on other needs.  Niether  the Jets nor the Lions want anything to do with Walker, so get that idea out of your heads.  Denver would be LUCKY to get Rogers for Foxy and a #2 and smart to get D. Robertson for Foxy and a #2.

Finally, on Vilma, the guy is awesome, and would take a lot more than we're offering in the Rogers/Robertson deal to pry him free from the Jets.  The big issue is that he had knee surgery in mid-November, and its assumed that its an ACL.  It typically takes a year to get through that surgery and the last thing the Broncos need is to shuffle, then reshuffle the LB corps right before the season.

by super7 on Feb 28, 2008 4:49 PM MST   0 recs

Excellent thoughts as always 7
My two big issues with Rogers are his character (horrible legal history) and whether or not he shows up to play every game to play his best.  Right now I'm not high on him at all.

I like what you have to say about Robertson though.  I agree (and wrote elsewhere) that sack numbers aren't always a fair way to measure a DT.  The fact that he has a good head on his shoulders, and the fact that he was a DT stuck trying to play at NT makes me feel pretty good about him.

I disagree that we don't have depth at CB.  We have crazy good depth at the position.  I think we are thin at SAF though.  In fact, it is because we have four solid to excellent CBs that I think we are willing to deal Foxy.  I agree with the assesment on Fox, except that I would add he is viable at nickle (where Paymah just beat him out).

I also agree that Vilma is awesome (even underated!), but agree too with your assesment that we can't play the shuffle game as well as chance the injury issue.

Bottom line: I think Robertson sounds like the answer, and Foxy + 2nd round pick sounds like a heck of a good deal to me.  I still say heck no on Rogers.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Feb 28, 2008 5:22 PM MST to parent up   0 recs

The problem is ...
... just because we are desperate we shouldn't sell our future.

Just look back to 06 draft. We gave a 2nd round pick for Walker. Now walker is 30 due a 5 Mil bonus and a 5 Mil salary.

We could have drafted a young player who would have been with the team for years, with a much small salary figure. Is there a bust risk? Sure, but no more than the injury risk we took with Walker.

I say no to any trade that involves a draft pick. If we have needs, then we have to fill them the right way. Draft or sign a FA. Don't give up future for an average today.

We could use that 2nd round pick on a guy like Pat Sims... A young guy with a ton of talent, and while Robertson is a known commodity who has maxed out, Sims is the type who could become dominant.

Even if he doesn't, I would be happier with the Broncos getting their own guys out of school.

Orange County is hot. Really! Haven't you seen the weather report?

by amirebram on Feb 29, 2008 3:45 AM MST to parent up   0 recs

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