Congratulations to Claaaas!

Our member from Denmark, Claaaas, has won the "Offseason Naming Contest"!
We are asking the MHR family to use the winning term, "Reloading Season" when writing about the season formerly know as "offseason".
Please join us in thanking our friend from across the ocean for his winning entry. Don't feel down if you didn't win this time around. I'll be offering some contests opportunities on the new Football University series that premiers tomorow....
day one....
of the reloading season.
Congratulations again to Claaaas! Please move to the United States soon so we can save on prize shipping costs! : )
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by Steve Nichols on Feb 3, 2008 6:34 PM MST up reply actions
So
I'm told...
As the gecko from Geico says, "That's a complete dramatization of course. But you get the point."
: )
by Steve Nichols on Feb 3, 2008 6:24 PM MST up reply actions
Ha!
by Claaaaas on Feb 4, 2008 12:26 AM MST up reply actions
In a humorous twist....
Congratulations!
Yup
How about great minds as Hans Christian Andersen (author) and Niels Bohr (the only person on earth to ever prove Einstein wrong) - has anyone heard of them?
by Claaaaas on Feb 4, 2008 12:32 AM MST up reply actions
Not What I Was Going For...
Touché
by Claaaaas on Feb 4, 2008 3:32 AM MST up reply actions
There it waaaas
That was a very pleasant surprise. That email at halftime last night (in Denmark, anyway), was the only thing that could top the result of the SB. I certanly enjoyed seeing the Pats get spanked in that epic drama - finally they tasted some of their own medicine = a late game comeback-win.
Just to awoid any confusion, tilykke actually means congratulations - how the heck an Alaskan knows that, i haven't completely figured out... hmm...
/Claus!
by Claaaaas on Feb 4, 2008 12:20 AM MST reply actions
Alaska has a very strong Scandinavian influence.
When I was a lad growing up in the Aleutian Islands I assumed that everyone from the Lower 48 was named Ole, Sven or Sveri. Many of the halibut schooners were sailed from Norway to Alaska at the start of WWII, where they longlined for halibut. I was shocked to go to Seattle and see people wearing three piece suits and dress shoes instead of rain gear and fishing boots. Reality can be such a cold cup of coffee!
In spite of my background I never learned Danish words as a sprat, I had to look up "Tilykke" on the internet.
by Arctic Bronco on Feb 4, 2008 9:14 PM MST up reply actions
Off Topic.
Several answers
- In a BCS system a team would have gotten to the SB by beating a bunch of high school and college teams, while running up the points.
- There is much to be said for winning when it matters. I have coached everything from football to track to wrestling to speech/debate to chess, and I've found that some teams/individuals excell or decline when the pressure of the big game or tournament is on the table. To some extent, I saw this in the army. Guys who were awesome or average in training would (not always, but sometimes) change entirely in the real world. For example, I was a medic, and saw the brightest go wobbly with pressure and the quietest become bold when going out on an ambulance run on post.
- Those of us (like me) who were critical of the Pats were told, "Then go out and beat them". That's what had to be done. If we are going to be critical of the playoffs, then the Pats also lose, because we now would have to go back and take away the Pats win against the Rams a few years ago (the Rams were the better team).
- The Giants got through the playoffs and the Pats on the field, unlike BCS teams that have to do it in some computer program.
Last, I look at it like a war. No one cares who won the most victories or the most battles. The side that wins is the side that wins the last battle. The American revolution was filled with defeat after defeat for the Americans. On a tactical level the Americans were slaughtered. At the end of the day, Washington (and I'm oversimplifying here) lost his way towards a very few victories that happened in key places. With respect, the British Army was clearly superiour to the colonials, but history doesn't care who was better.
The award (in football, war, or life) doesn't say who was the best, it says who won.
by Steve Nichols on Feb 4, 2008 6:07 AM MST up reply actions
Point By Point.
- While college football dynasties have the luxury of scheduling seemingly weak non-conference opponents, such a practice is not fool-proof. Not only are there monumental upsets that end seasons before they begin (App. State defeated Michigan in The Big House), but scheduling soft will come back to haunt you when you face tougher opponents down the road. And make no mistake about it: even the weakest conferences have tough match-ups and champions usually have their fair share of challenges on the schedule.
- You like sprinters, I like marathon runners. Perhaps this is because I am a baseball fan, but I have come to value consistency moreso than well timed streaks. I believe this is a preference issue, so I'll leave it at that.
- I'm not saying that the hypothetically "better" team should be granted championships, but rather that the team that has proven itself superior for the totality of the season is clearly the best in the league that year. If the Pats had lost the regular season finally to the Giants 14-10, but then avenged their loss with a 38-35 win in the Super Bowl, they would be viewed in a different light even though they would have completed essentially idential seasons. The Giants were defeated six times while the Pats lost once and they split their head-to-head matchup... how are the Giants the better team?
- You speak as though the college football season was simulated by some super-computer. Cliche as it may be, the college bowl system makes the regular season a sort of playoff. Placement in the championship game is determined on the field and validated by computers and voters alike. It is more legitimate than rigidly seeding playoffs based on conference and league affiliation.
- The reason why the NFL playoffs are more generally accepted than the BCS is tradition and nothing more. Furthermore, playoffs appeal to the emotional and primal nature of man; the BCS is too inhuman. As for strength of schedule, you should remember that the Giants lost six games and failed to win even their own division while the Pats went undefeated through a record 18 consecutive games. Strength of schedule is a component of team strength, but not the end-all, be-all.
- The British army may have been superior in general terms, but they were fighting on hostile ground with extended supply lines and in a manner they were not accustomed to. While this may sound like playing the Super Bowl on the road against an akward match-up, the aforementioned aspects are magnified in the former to the point of rendering such a comparison less than effective. Simply put, it sounds good and almost fits, but just doesn't.
Excellent points all!
: )
Now on to ripping up your points! (joke!)
- The idea that small, underfunded schools sometimes upset large powerhouses is trying to make the exception the rule.
- I think I am the marathon runner here. The Giants paced themselves, losing to some teams earlier in the season but using those games to learn from and slowly accumulating advantages. Perhaps the Pats shouldn't have shown so much (by trying to win the last regular season game, which meant nothing). Had the Pats tried to focus on the SB, instead of a perfect season, they wouldn't have shown so much in the final regular season game. The Giants used pacing to not "race" through the season like a hare, but to plod onwards like a tortiose. They learned from each of there losses and used the knowledge to beat each of those teams in the playoffs. If the Pats had known the SB was a marathon and not a race, they would have had gas in the tank at the end.
- Again, I'm not claiming the NYGs are the best or better team, so point 3 is pretty much moot. What I AM saying is that one team seemed to focus on being undefeated (despite their statements), while the other focused on the SB. The Pats didn't rest their starters in games they were winning by 40 pt margins. They also went for it on 4th down when leading by 40 points (in the fourth quarter). They risked injury and risked giving other teams more film to study. They also played the final game of the season to WIN, not to prepare for the SB. I think that made them look good in terms of "games won", but if the goal was to win the SB they were pretty foolish.
- Determining winners by computer calculations and votes? That can't possibly be the best way to determine a winner, can it? But to your point, it most certainly IS determined by a computer (though not a super one). The software (the program of which is not available to the public or to the football programs) calculates votes, rankings, poitns spreads, etc. I may be over simplistic here, but just give me some games determined by wins. Your point about divisional games is countered by the fact that the teams now qualify for a tournament where everyone must win on their own merits, and the higher seeded teams are compensated by byes, homefield, and playing lower seeds. Why is it that every year sports analysts pull out their hair when a college team is "robbed" of a bowl appearence, but you never hear complaints about NFL teams being robbed from a championship appearence (unless it is a raiders fans crying about blown calls). I hold it is because the NFL decides the season on the field, while college teams are at the whim of voters and a silly computation system.
- What you call primal I call a fundemental, deep rooted sense of fairness. People inherently know fairness when they see it, and unfairness to. Fairness is certainly a tradition. Let's face it, the bowl system is an appeal to money - sponsorships by companies that want to advertise their own bowl.
- You might take another look at the British Army, which won convincing victories during the same time period "overextended" in places like India and the African continent. But your point is that my analogy is not topical because of concerns about supply lines or hostile ground. With respect, that wasn't how I used my analogy at all. In the context I used it in, I was clearly not making a point about "homefield advantage". I was making the point that an army, a team, or an individual can lose most of their battles, games, or matches and still win because very few contests are decided by the number of wins, but the "key" wins. Let me provide some examples:
- Does the better team always win the BCS? No.
- Does the better team always win the championships in baseball, hockey, or basketball? No.
- Does the better military always win a military engagement? No. (We can look at the US Civil War instead of the Revolution too. The lesser equipped Confederate military was better lead and walked all over the Union for most of the war. They still lost.)
- Does the better guy always get the girl? It happened in Spiderman 2, but it doesn't always turn out that way.
Bottom line, I think we don't disagree on which team was better over the course of the year. But I used to coach track too, and the winner was never "who led most of the race" but who crossed the finish line at the end in first place. That applied to sprint and distance both. I also coached wrestling, where a kid leading in points could still get pinned and lose the match. In chess a kid could have less pieces on the board and still find a mating pattern. To me, letting an opponent pile up tactical victories is fine if the strategic goal of winning is what my side is focused on.
And right now I'd rather be in the Giants shoes celebrating the SB victory than be in NE's shoes saying, "But we were better."
by Steve Nichols on Feb 4, 2008 3:37 PM MST up reply actions
Marathons and War.
I know I'm walking into your wheelhouse here, but I'll keep the military debate going another turn. The fact that wars can be won through attrition is another reason why the analogy doesn't work for me. The Americans simply needed to hang in there and they could bank on allies joining their struggle and for the enemy to lose their will/ability to continue the fight. While that may seem like gameplanning in football, it is a factor of the rules of the game inherent in particular violent conflicts and no present in the athelitic competition of football.
As for the Giants playing the tortoise to the Patriots hare, I think you're giving New York too much credit. I believe it's fair to say that the Giants lost early games because they weren't the best team on the field at the time, not because they were pacing themselves. I also feel it could be said that the Pats were focusing on running the table because they thought that was the best longterm strategy, not for glory. By extending dominance, they were hoping to emply a "peace through strength" style approach that would give them a monopoly on confidence in future head-to-head match-ups. Perhaps the G-Men won the Super Bowl because the Pats were tired, but maybe they were victorious because they matched-up well and they simply played better that day. They were rewarded because they got hot at the right time and played their best game of the season at the perfect time.
As for the BCS (and I think we're both focusing on the idea of it, not the exact current encarnation) I think it takes certain of your complaints out of the equation. Generally speaking, there is no advantage to playing weak opponents. Strength of schedule is obviously a more important aspect in the formula than margin of victory or simple record. Note that running the table doesn't guarantee a spot in the championship game (Hawaii) and teams with an additional loss (LSU) can earn a spot in that match-up ahead of teams with better records amassed against weaker opposition. The shorter length of the season and the incredible number of participants make a perfect championship essentially impossible. It just so happens that the BCS seems more fair to me than playoffs.
I think it's important to say that we both agree that neither system is perfect. Moreover, I think it's fair to say that the nature of each league make it entirely likely that they'll have different optimum solutions. That said, I think it would be most fair for the NFL to expand its playoffs to include every single team. You could have a 14 week regular season and a 30 team tournament (the top seed after the first round would get a bye into the third round) and then have the most fair way of determining its champion. I know that's a bit of a crazy tangent, but I like taking things to their logical conclussion and I think we've pretty much beaten this argument to death, fun as it was to do that.
Good points as always
I think you have made the best arguments for a BSC system that I have heard. It is very much to your credit that you can dress up that pig and parade it like a swan. I think you ought to consider a law degree with your advocacy skills!
Thanks for a terrific give and take on the BCS versus playoffs. I hope the League Commish doesn't lend you his ear! : )
by Steve Nichols on Feb 5, 2008 10:08 AM MST up reply actions
Insurgencies are usually decided by who is willing
by Arctic Bronco on Feb 4, 2008 9:03 PM MST up reply actions
What is fair?
Sports like hockey and basketball treat the regular season as almost a qualifying round and it is understood that teams that are clearly not in the discussion for "best team" will reach the playoffs and potentially make a run to win a championship.
I think those sports go too far. But I think college football does not go far enough. One thing that is pretty unique to college football is the small number of games and the large number of teams. When you throw in conference play, you have very disparate schedules which makes it very hard to figure out who the "best team" is.
I think pro football (and baseball pre-wild card) strike a nice balance. The regular season is very important, but you still need to get it done a couple times in the playoffs. I haven't gone and looked, but I am pretty sure that the Giants playing three teams that beat them in the regular season is a bit of a fluke. (On the other hand, facing two teams for a second time during a Super Bowl run is probably pretty common)
If I had my way I would have a college playoff and I would shrink the NFL playoffs. Under the Matt system, they would go back to having the top three divisional winners from each conference automatically make the playoffs and get a first round bye. There are two wild card spots in each conference who play in the first week of the playoffs. Being the fourth division winner does not guarantee a playoff spot, but it is the first tiebreaker. So if Seattle wins the NFC West at 9-7 and the Giants are 10-6 and the Redskins are 9-7, the Giants get one wild card and the Seahawks get the other over Washington since Seattle is a division winner. But if Washington also finished at 10-6, the Redskins and Giants would get in since they have better records than Seattle (who would miss the playoffs despite winning their division).
(Wow. That was longer than intended. Probably a sign that is a good topic for a diary.)
Good points all
A good coach wins games. A great coach beats teams that have beaten him earlier on.
Why is this important? It shows that the Giants staff was able to better break down film and make adjustments than those opponents. They studied the teams that they lost to (or that were "better" than them) and found a way to win when it mattered. They adapted, which is a skill set measurable at the end of a season (think playoffs and SB) more than any other time.
by Steve Nichols on Feb 4, 2008 9:27 AM MST up reply actions
To It's Logical Conclusion.
Divisions for seeding
Guys...
This discussion is raging all over football-communities, and i post this everytime i see one. Because there seems to be af difference of oppinion (is that with an a?).
Is "the best" team, the one who blows out it's opponents allmost on autopilot - on pure skill - in the reg-season, and then tripping in the playoffs? I mean, thats basically what the Pats did - only BAL, PHI and NYG gave them a ballgame. It was pure skill, because it was no secret what you should do to beat the Pats. Everybody knew, that you had bring the house on passrush, and tire out the old LB's by running the ball down their throats. NYG was the only one able to do that good enough, and when NE faced an opponent who was able to do exactly that, they had no move against it - what so ever. Bilichek sure looked mortal!
OR
Is the best team, the one, which learns from its mistakes and improving - playing on emotion, smartness, toughness and the power of will? 3 of those parameters are catalyzed when it matters the most - the emotion, toughness and power of will of the other teams was what cought up with NE - and in some amount also the smartness of Spagnoulo!
The first definition has the BCS-format written all over it. The second is in favor of an playoff-system.
If you took the first definition to its extreme, you should go with the traditional european soccer scheme. EVERY national championship is decided by every team in the league playing each other twice a season, and the one with the best record come May - has won the championship.
Have in mind, that i may be brainwashed, because every major international soccer-tournament is played in a scheme comparable to the NFL-playoffs.
by Claaaaas on Feb 4, 2008 1:58 PM MST reply actions

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