Football University - The Bootleg Play
Happy Easter!
Since I can't send out candy to everyone, the next best thing I can do is send out some University goodies. That's right, the course with no homework and tests is giving out free knowledge once again. What's that you say? We always do that? Ok, today it's a bonus. Two lessons in one.
We'll cover the bootleg play and variations (one of the signature plays of Denver), and we'll throw in an extra segment about further information on the defensive schemes Denver might employ this year.
So click on "read more" below to get the whole story, and I'll see you below the fold!
One of Denver's most exciting plays is called the bootleg. You often hear the term, and you probably recognize the play when you see Jay Cutler roll out of the pocket and either make a spectacular play or get knocked on his butt. Why does Denver run this play so much? And why does it work or not work? What is the difference between the "bootleg" and the "naked bootleg"?
I'm glad I asked!
As we know from last week, Denver will run the zone block scheme often during a game. Denver will also run to the strong side (like most teams) more often than the weakside. Opposing teams know this and prepare for it. This being the NFL, the opposing teams are also ready for runs to the weakside.
So Denver likes to use what we call "misdirection". Instead of just using brute force, Denver likes to use a little finesse.
In a bootleg play, Cutler (the QB) will do what we call a "play action". Play action is simply acting like the play is a run, but throwing the ball instead. Peyton Manning of the Colts is probably the master of play action.
Jay will act like he is handing the ball to his running back (perhaps Henry or Young) and that player takes off for the strongside (typicaly the right side, where we have a TE as an extra lineman). To "sell" the play even more, the line will probably run block instead of pass block. They may or may not zone block.
The defense sees the running play going to the strongside (as it has play after play after play through the game) and the guys in man coverage are pulled with their assignment to the strongside. The guys in zone might break their zone to go after the run, or keep a zone that is away from where our play is really going. The key is the weakside linebacker. More on him later.
In the meantime, even the QB is moving to the strongside and then, you knew it, he breaks around and starts heading in the opposite direction! At this point the defense is probably exposed to several pass threats. One is the number two WR who probably faked a run play by stutter stepping before he took off for greener pastures down field. Another may be the TE who breaks back late to give the QB another option. The HB (who helped to sell the run) is now perhaps near the sideline, ready to bail out Cutler if he doesn't have a good option.
So one reason this play works for Denver is because it fits in well with our zone block runs to the strong side. Houston uses the same system, and burned us last year with our own bootleg a few times.
But the value of the bootleg doesn't stop there! Denver favors QBs with a strong arm and quick legs. If Jay doesn't have a good pass option he doesn't have to throw away the ball. He can keep running and pick up yards (since the defense is out of place). And because of a strong arm, he can also make the throw to the strong side WR, a feat that most QBs can't do.
Elway was famous for many things, but one thing he was known for was the cross shoulder throw. Imagine running to the right side of the field (and being right handed), but throwing the ball to theleft side of the field. I myself can't do it. The more power I put on the throw the more wild the throw is. One of my favorite plays in Elway history was watching him run towards the strongside of the field, and hurling the ball down the opposite side of the field deep to a racing WR. Not only did the ball get down the field, it was also on target. Cutler looks to be this kind of guy.
Let's take a quick look at a bootleg. I've oversimplified the play dynamics to make the information clearer for all of our readers.

In a regular bootleg, one or two players may stay back to protect the QB. The LT or FB may pass block while everyone else sells the run. But in the above picture, the QB is on his own. This is how Denver likes to do it. It is called the "naked bootleg" because we leave our QB with no protection. We can do this because our QBs are expected to be fast, and we sell the strongside runs most of the game. Either Jay completes a pss, or he races down the field for anywhere from eight to fifteen yards before stepping out of bounds or sliding.
There's just one catch.
The danger to the bootleg is the cunning defensive coordinator who tells his weakside linebacker to do one of several play busting manouvers.
- Zone on the offensive side of the ball where the QB will end up,
- Blitz wide and keep the blitz even if the play turns into a run (because it might not really be a run),
- Keep the typical weakside zone no matter what play is happening.
Sometimes the FS or even the #2 CB can fill the role of spoiler, but not so often. The right DE (on the offense's left) is also a threat, and breaks up as many bootlegs as the WILL, but in his case it is more often skill than scheme. It is not uncommon for the bootleg to be a success even while the DE is trying to run down the QB.
Remember that the bootleg can go in either direction too. In my favorite Elway example the bootleg was selling weakside and played strongside.
That's the bootleg in a nutshell. It is far more complicated than that, but I hope you have a little bit more in your football notebook than before.
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Just a little update on the '08 defensive system outlook. You'll recall that I wrote a University article awhile back predicting either a zone blitz or show blitz system, along with why I felt we would go in that direction.
There have been some developments since then, and with the draft we will have a big clue too.
First, Coach Shanahan recently said that he wants for the defensive to "go back" to playing Denver's style of football. This can mean several things, but I see it as a clue that we will go back to an aggressive, blitzing based scheme.
Our FA pick-ups provide some clues too. Have you noticed that our biggest area of need has not been fixed yet? We have picked up some LBs, but no DTs. So here's something fun to mull over:
Watch what Denver does in the draft at DT to get an idea of what kind of system Denver will run. In particular, watch for size, speed, and 1 versus 2 gap history (see the University article in the archives for more on that).
One doubtful, but very facinating idea is that we are loaded at DE and at LB, and only really need to catch fire with one of our DT picks in the draft. We call this a recipie for a 3-4 formation on most teams. (That would also be a return to Denver's roots, but way back). We could get a formation with either Winborn or Williams on the ROLB (the other at RILB), K2 at LILB, and B. Bailey at LOLB.
Don't get excited. I still think it is doubtful. But a big misunderstanding about 4-3 versus 3-4 is that coaches really prefer one or the other. The truth is that any NFL coach can run either system indifferently. The real issue is player availablity. More and more it is easier to find LBs than quality DLs in the college ranks. Denver is borderline for fitting a 3-4 scheme with personnel, and depending on their picks in the draft it may be looked at. With one of our division rivals using zone blocking, I doubt we go to a Phillips 3-4 (old style Denver) with a 1 gap NT. The PITT zone blitz or the NE Fairbanks/Bullough 2 gap 3-4 would be more likely. But remember, I think this is an intersting scenario, and more possible than in the past, but still highly unlikely.
Getting away from the 3-4, another clue is our FA safety pick-ups. We again have a box type safety and that leans us back to a 4-3, and again shores up the notion of a zone or show blitz system this fall. The other safety is more of a coverage FS type, and doesn't figure in to any projections.
More updates on the defensive system projection as I get clues. Trying to guess the defensive system we run in '08 is my big hobby while everyone else is busy predicting our draft.
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Great Article
First, I'm not sure I buy this argument that Denver is 'deep' at LB. By historical standards, this is the worst LB core we've had in decades. I think that Boss Bailey is a huge upgrade over Ian Gold (a lot of people probably disagree with me). Niko gives us depth at ILB. It also gives us the option of moving D.J. Williams back to his natural position--something that I expect to happen. Few people have argued that MLB is a primary need in this years draft. There are a couple of guys that can be had at the end of the first day that I am enamored with. Oklahoma's Curtis Lofton would be a particularly good fit and probably slips to the 3rd round.
Second, I think you need a 2NT for a 3-4 scheme (I think this was just a typo), not a 1NT. Denver doesn't have a prototype 2NT on their roster. The biggest indicator that Denver is not going to run a 3-4 is their interest in Dwayne Robertson, who is being expelled from another 3-4 scheme because he's a bad fit for that system. Another indicator is that a successful 3-4 scheme requires a hybrid DE/LB; the paucity of such personnel in the NFL has slowed the diffusion of the 3-4 in the NFL (both because its cost prohibitive and because there aren't enough guys).
I expect us to stay in the 3-4 this year. KC Joyner recently listed Dumervil among the top 5 pass rushers in the NFL. If Denver can keep him from being double teamed, he could put up huge numbers this year. If Jarvis Moss produces for us it will likely be the next 3 years. He's got great speed off the edge; I hope we can get 3 good years out of him before he (a) loses 2-tenths of a second on his 40 and (b) gets signed away for too much money.
Good read and happy Easter.
by r8erh8er on Mar 23, 2008 7:55 AM MDT 0 recs
Good stuff r8erh8er
First, I agree that we aren't deep at LB. But we are if compared to the DT position where we are very thin. I belive that we could use Winborn, Williams, and Boss at the OLB spots in a 3-4, and Williams and K2 at ILB. We also have Webster as a back-up for OLB. For depth in a 3-4 we need one good NT and at least one back-up. I don't see anything like this on the roster at the NT position. We just need one solid NT in the draft (and a decent back-up from our existing group) and one or two back-up LBs for a 3-4.
On the other hand, I feel we have a decent starting group for a 4-3, but now we need two good picks for DT to make the 4-3 viable.
In sum, that is why I think a 3-4 is a possibility if Denver wants to explore it. Again, I still think it is a remote possibility.
I think Boss will be a good upgrade over either either Webster or Winborn (recall that Gold is a WLB, and I think that is what you meant to type). I also think that Williams will be a good upgrade over Gold. The big question is K2. But the more I am reading the more I like him. Seattle didn't want to give him up because they thought he was a legitimate starter (even though he was stuck in the depth chart). He is a vocal leader, and has good speed for our potential systems.
The idea of a 1 gap NT wasn't a typo, but you are on the ball to think so. Most 3-4 schemes used to be 2 gap. Right now the three systems being run out 3-4 include the "Phillips", the "Fairbanks-Bullough", and the "Zone Blitz". The Phillips is a 1 gap attacking scheme, the Fairbanks is a 2 gap, and the Zone Blitz (as run by PITT) can be run either way. Right now our division rival Chargers are using a 1 gap NT scheme, and most noticably, so is DAL.
I agree that Robertson didn't fit the 3-4 system he was in, but as you mentioned, he is not a 2 gap NT. He would be a better fit for most (not all) 4-3 formations, but would be a good fit for SD too. (Robertson would be a failure in the 2 gap NE 3-4 system).
We did try to pursue Kearney last year, perhaps one of the more well know hybrid DE/OLB players in the game. But again, this is one reason I think this draft is something to watch. There are some ILB and DE/OLB types available, and this could be a signal to our intentions. While hybrids aren't common at DE/OLB, they aren't a requirement either.
Speaking of typos, I think you meant to type that we will stay in the 4-3. I also agree with you here (4-3). Doom is the real deal, and we have great potential with Moss. And though it is a "boring" type of player, I believe we also have some solid run stoppers at DE as well (Crowder at the top).
I am hoping we stick with the 4-3. But if our draft gets us in a position where the chart dictates a 3-4, Slowik will pull the trigger. I had hoped Williams would stay at MLB. But after a few FA moves I had to recant and now accept that with the current chart Williams really has to be at WILL. But bottom line, at this point I think the odds are very much in favor of sticking with a 4-3, and we will likely run either a zone or show blitz system. (Styg is leaning towards zone, and I'm starting to move in that direction too).
by hoosierteacher on
Mar 23, 2008 8:40 AM MDT
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If Denver switches to a 3-4
Even if the team stayed in 4-3, I was thinking that Doom would be well suited to play some stand-up LB in certain situations. He seems like the type of player who can handle multiple positions both physically and mentally and could gradually turn into the next Karl Mecklenburg, able to play any position on the front seven.
by MattR on
Mar 25, 2008 4:18 PM MDT
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I don't know...
On the other hand, both would hold their own if playing back in zone in a "zone blitz scheme" where they would each be handling a zone much like OLBs would.
I really think Doom, Moss and Crowder will be used together a lot on the field this year, as all three are good at what they do.
In 4-3 I don't think Doom will play any LB. Even if he is suited, the practice and study to learn another position would take away from his continuing development, as well as from the LBs currently playing the LB positions.
Man, I'm excited to see if Moss will be the real deal!
by hoosierteacher on
Mar 25, 2008 6:07 PM MDT
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What other teams run the bootleg as frequently
So, which quarterbacks can throw on the run with as much power and accuracy as Cutler? Rosenfels at Houston did well against us last season :( So I assume he has the right skills to run the bootleg, does anyone know about the QBs on those teams or ay other others that are well suited for this type of an offense?
by Arctic Bronco on Mar 23, 2008 11:33 AM MDT 0 recs
Excellent question
With Vick in ATL we saw bootlegs to some degree, but ATL also used a lot of run heavy formations and even jumbo formations to spring Vick. The problem with Vick was his accuracy, so the bootleg was there but not so much as in HOU and DEN. With Vick out (as well as ZB master line coach Alex Gibbs) I imagine the offensive identity of ATL will change radicaly.
GB, MINN, and even BUF run a ZB, but don't have the right QB type to run the bootleg plays much at all.
by hoosierteacher on
Mar 23, 2008 1:30 PM MDT
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by davecheffy on Mar 23, 2008 12:16 PM MDT 0 recs
You make a very valid point
At least as far as Slowik is concerned we have continuity. The players like him, and he has been around our organization for awhile. I also think he will do what Shanahan advocates, which is to take Denver back to what it has always done best.
You are certainly right that the new players will have an adjustment period. But I think this is a calculated move. We are bringing in FAs that don't have large salary requirements (and are improvements individualy) to buy time for the massive numbers of young guys we'll be getting with our current 9 picks (perhaps 11 if we trade down). I agree that we'll have an adjustment period, but I think the move to a typical zone or man based system won't be as difficult as the move to a contain system like we did last year.
by hoosierteacher on
Mar 23, 2008 1:22 PM MDT
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Wondering...
OR
Maybe it's like "The Bootleg Beatles" = "The Fake Beatles"... This would fit the "faking-part" of play-action well. I believe the "Bootleg = Fake"-connection origins back to when amerikans smuggled booze into USA (or whatever it was called back then) - avoiding the high tax-walls of the Brites. They used to hide the booze in the leg of the high-legged boots they used at the time - therefore bootleg = Fake...
Can anyone confirm either?
by Claaaaas on Mar 23, 2008 1:07 PM MDT 0 recs
I don't know
by hoosierteacher on
Mar 23, 2008 1:14 PM MDT
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Just guessing
On the other hand, football coaches and players are simple creatures. If it looks like a bootleg and quacks like a bootleg, well, it must be a bootleg...
by styg50 on
Mar 23, 2008 2:27 PM MDT
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I've always thought of a bootleg as
"The offense does legitimate business of following a play together as a team, while the QB takes off out the back door to pedal some booze in the opposite direction."
Probably has nothing to do with it, other than the NFL being started during prohibition. ;)
OOMPA LOOMPA, DOOMPADAH DEE
It's JaMakus Fail, RRRRRUUUUNNNN!!!!!
by Zappa on
Mar 23, 2008 6:45 PM MDT
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I've always considered
by spock on
Mar 23, 2008 8:28 PM MDT
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I just looked it up
The name comes from the fact that on a play action the quarterback often hides the ball from the defense by his thigh to make the run look more convincing. This is similar to the way bootleggers would hide whiskey in their trousers during Prohibition.
Which is exactly what I've always assumed.
by spock on
Mar 23, 2008 8:36 PM MDT
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Well there it is!
by hoosierteacher on
Mar 23, 2008 11:28 PM MDT
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Just a thought
It probably has nothing to do with that, but who knows. Just something to chuckle at and think about.
by dpurvis on
Mar 23, 2008 2:56 PM MDT
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I can't type today
by dpurvis on
Mar 23, 2008 2:58 PM MDT
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oh, you already came up with my thought 4
OOMPA LOOMPA, DOOMPADAH DEE
It's JaMakus Fail, RRRRRUUUUNNNN!!!!!
by Zappa on
Mar 23, 2008 6:47 PM MDT
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Whiskey.....
by jadunn on Mar 23, 2008 7:03 PM MDT 0 recs
I've become a wine drinking hippie I guess...
Although, I do enjoy an occasional jack/coke or vodka/oj...not big on straight shots. It's one tequila...floor for me. :D
OOMPA LOOMPA, DOOMPADAH DEE
It's JaMakus Fail, RRRRRUUUUNNNN!!!!!
by Zappa on
Mar 24, 2008 11:46 AM MDT
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Defense
Everyone calls it the 3-4, but isn't it just a variation of the old Oklahoma "50"? A nose tackle, two 5 techniques, two ILBs lined up 4 yds. deep over the OGs and two standup DEs/OLBs? Secondary can play cover 3 (deep thirds) w/FS & corners in which case SS is probably over the Y; or cover 2 w/both safeties taking deep halves and 4 or 5 short zones; or cover 1 w/FS roaming deep; or cover zero w/everyone man up?
Whether you're talking odd front (3-4) or split front (4-3) doesn't the one gap vs. two gap really refer to the call? One gap would be a gap control situation (e.g., anticipating run to a certain gap), like slant; while two gap is a jam and slide technique going with the flow (something McKinley doesn't seem to be able to do) allowing the backers to scrape? Shouldn't pro football players be able to play both?
by dardarsh on Mar 24, 2008 6:25 PM MDT 0 recs
Just HT (or hoosier) amongst friends : )
Yes and no on the gap issue. While pro players should be able to (and do) play both one and two gap, most players are more in tune with one or the other. Add in a system where one takes prominence and you have a player leaning towards one or the other. Yes, it definetly refers to the call. But the call will usually go more one way or the other based on which system the defense is running.
As an example, Denver's OL is "built" to run zone blocks. It is what the players are physicaly built for, and what they train to do. But not every down is run as a zone block either. When you take the fact that the players are "zone block types", and factor in that the coordinator will be calling a lot of zone block plays, it would be gramaticaly correct to call each of our OLs a "zone block player", even though (as you point out) it depends on the call, and they should be familiar with both approaches.
Excellent point!
by hoosierteacher on
Mar 24, 2008 8:26 PM MDT
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D-line
I understand what you say about observing the draft to see what kind of DTs the Broncos get. I don't know how Antwan Burton and Thomas Harris fit in w/THE PLAN, but they strike me as two-gap, read-and-react, jam-and-slide type guys. Soak up those blocks and keep the OL off the backers. Marcus Thomas seems like a gap-guy, a playmaker who doesn't need to take a pounding all the time.
Maybe the Broncos should should draft one of each. Balmer, Laws, Sims or Moore early, and Bryant, Rubin or Okam later. The big dudes need to rotate. Maybe Denver is planning for one DT to be a 2 or 3 tech. two- gapper on the strong side (Okam might be good for that), and a one-gap 3 tech. on the weak side (like M. Thomas).
by dardarsh on Mar 24, 2008 7:13 PM MDT 0 recs
You get an A+ for the day...
The current DTs fit the mold of the previous defensive coordinator (technicaly the assistant head coach / defense according to his official title). The system run was a "run contain" scheme, and the DTs were supposed to play 2 gap most of the time.
If you go back a couple of University articles ago I covered "gaps", and and I think I mentioned what you advocate here - the desirability of combining a 1 and 2 gap player (and shooting for a 3 tech DT in the process). Same wavelength brother!
by hoosierteacher on
Mar 24, 2008 8:34 PM MDT
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Your chalktalk on bootleg
That's cool graphics! How can I get my computer to do that? But, if you draw up a play that way, it will always work (even w/out linemen) because the D isn't on the field. Draw it up against a 3-4 and then against a split-front.
Also, it's supposed to be a stretch zone play isn't it? You've got two pullers, backside T and playside G. That looks more like counter, but the rest of the O-line should be blocking down, shouldn't they (if it's counter, TE should block down, too, shouldn't he)? If it is counter, you can still boot out of it (always boot away w/or w/out the ball, I say), but it looks like you have the QB and the TB taking option course. If it is counter, shouldn't the TB take counter steps? That way the QB could reverse out and have a more workable mesh-point with the TB, right? If you have the backside T pulling, don't you want the FB filling for him? That is, in the interest of the QB not getting a mouthful of DE or OLB.
Is the WR on the right on or off? Can't tell. If he's on, the TE needs to be a wing (HB or Z). Would make more sense if he's off (he's the Z). How about put the Z in the slot, then send him in motion, have him kick out, the Y block down, the rest of the O-line cut the D-line, FB leads through the 2-hole, QB boots out, X fade. Run that w/TB getting the ball, then run boot later w/ X come-back. Off that same look you could do HB pass or throw on the play-side when the secondary bites on the play-action. Chip the Y off of his down block and run drag and/or have the Z run a chair route w/the TB and FB setting up pass pro for the QB who doesn't boot in this scenario. Cutler can make all those throws.
Boot is a play-action pass. It will never work unless the run it looks like works. Make the run work, then sell it to the D as run.
by dardarsh on Mar 24, 2008 7:56 PM MDT 0 recs
Good stuff again!
I use a paint program (standard with Windows operating systems), then upload my diagram to photobucket.com It's free, and gives you the diagram on the net so you can copy and paste to the article. With the knowledge you clearly have of the game you can certainly do some great posts on MHR, and the diagrams would be a big boost.
You are correct about me not having the defense on the field. As I mentioned in another comment with you, I'm really trying to walk the balance between being technicaly accurate and not losing the audience (it's a teacher and even coach thing). If I'm a doctor explaining surgery to a patient (or the family) I want to educate and not neccassarily use every technical term or over detail the techniques.
As to the idea of facing a 3-4, you are correct. The allignment of the ROLB makes the QB much more endangered.
With the diagram, you'll notice I used a disclaimer just under the diagram to clear up that I was purposefully oversimplifying the diagram to make an illustrative point.
I could have done everyone a favor by not including the pullers, but the play is still sound and still a bootleg as found in the diagram. As you are aware, on a simple level the option and the bootleg have a few things in common. Most apparent is the scrambling QB holding the ball and having the option of continuing for yards or passing (if still behind scrimmage). Cutler has stated that he hates option plays (no doubt because it is a terrifying prospect for a QB to have to run one). But he looks at home in the bootleg.
There are also elements of the counter involved. Again, on a simple level we see the QB start in motion one way, then reversing course (though there is no hand off to a player moving in the opposite direction).
I don't have the FB filling in for the pulling LT because the illustration is a naked boot. The "sell" in this case involves a total risk/reward. After numerous ZB sells strongside, it is to be hoped that the pulling LT, and the movement of the entire RB corps telegraphs another strongside run. Remember too that Denver and HOU both run the Boot with the OL ZBing in the direction of the sell (strongside).
You are correct that the diagram doesn't make clear the off scrimmage player. Denver would most likely have the TE as Z (off). The rest of your paragraph is valid for some good variants, but goes into more technical ground and gets away from a simple article for covering the Boot.
As far as what I think of those variants, my background is high school level (and defensive coord at that). I wouldn't be a good judge of what plays would work at the pro level, so it wouldn't be wise for me to comment on them in that context. As high school level plays I think they look valid on first glance, but you want a good QB to make the reads.
Again, great job!
by hoosierteacher on
Mar 24, 2008 9:10 PM MDT
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Dear Professor hoosierteacher:
That's a cool quote from Defoe. Napoleon used a similar maxim that substituted rabbits for sheep. He undoubtedly stole it from Defoe. That's OK, Napoleon was lucky Wellington didn't have his Peninsular Army with him at Waterloo instead of a bunch of "allies". Bonaparte would just have had his butt kicked way harder before the Prussians showed up. Sadly, most of the Peninsulars were getting killed in Louisiana at about that time.
by dardarsh on Mar 24, 2008 9:46 PM MDT 0 recs
Thanks for the kind words
I hope I don't sound like I'm really apologizing for my HS experience. I coached defense for several years and had some good success while I was at it. I also had the benefit of being budgeted to attend some outstanding seminars put on by groups that included both pro and college staff members (primarily coaching staff) as instructors. But I always try to make clear that my knowledge is light years from the pro level. A HS coach may have more insight into some aspects of the game than the average bear, but the leap from HS to college (and again to the pros) is unreal. The basics are in place, but there is so much more to know that it is staggering to catch glimpses here and there.
On Defoe, I picked up the quote while working on my poli sci masters. Defoe was a facinating individual in several spheres, including theology, intelligence (the cloak and dagger type), as well as his written work in the 16th century. The quote is a curiosity, because there is a small but very dedicated community that debates the source of the quote and that is all that they do! It started with a small, academic secret society from either Oxford or Cambridge (I forget which; both have several debating societies). I was intigued by my prof's mention of the matter en passant in a class and jokingly took the position that Defoe had originated the term (as some of the society members did). I can't recall what the inside joke was back then, but several students took positions and I barely remember that several classes started with some funny jibes about the matter. The author is unknown, but I believe that Defoe has some adherents in the debate. There is a much more famous debating society that focuses on the concept of who really wrote Shakespear's works (I think Raleigh is one of the contenders for author). There is an old spy thriller movie called "The Amateur" that has the subject of the debate as a subplot (it's a good movie too).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Amateur
I'm not up to speed about Napoloen like I probably should be (though I had to do a little bit of work on French political history in undergrad). While military history is a hobby of mine, I have mostly centered myself on a few conflicts (most recently the the Eastern front of WW2, as well as the modern era Falklands campaign).
Thanks again, and best to you!
by hoosierteacher on
Mar 24, 2008 10:34 PM MDT
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If I'm not too late
Welcome to the community!
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quomodo hoc agere possum?
by dardarsh on
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de omni re scibili et quibusdam aliis
Create a free account at photobucket.com
Upload your diagram to your account (instructions at Photobucket).
Then copy and paste the diagram to your article. Do this in the following way.
First (in your article) type the following:
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Let me know in a newer thread up page if that works for you.
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id de quo dicebamus
by dardarsh on
Mar 26, 2008 6:40 PM MDT
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