Football University - Building cred at MHR / Part 1

How does one get a diary promoted to the front page? How does a member get the respect of fellow members and build a rep? What makes a good diary, and is the "comment count" really important?
Most of what you need to be on top of your game at MHR has little to do with how good your essay skills are and a lot more to do with attitude. When you stop worrying about being a sports writer and look at other members as family, you are already half of the way there.
We'll step back from football Xs and Os and look at how to build your own gameplan for building yourself up as a proud member of MHR. It's draft time in the reloading season, so I don't want to remove any focus from what's really important.
This week I'm going to focus on humilty, both on MHR as well as football in general.
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Attitude is everything for a member of MHR. You don't have to be a great writer, nor do you even have to write. Attitude in this case means how you look at MHR and how you look at yourself and fellow members.
Some things will change when MHR goes over to the new format. Diaries will be called something else, but will become more prominant in the scheme of things. Front page stories will still have a place, but member written articles will increase in noticability while front pagers drop a little bit. This is great, because (as Guru always says) the site is all about the members, not the editors.
Let's take a look at some ideas about how to build some MHR cred.
What makes a good diary?
First, diaries aren't a competition. Never worry about if your diary is as good as someone else's. Write what you think is pertinent to football or the Broncos without worrying about if it is "professional enough".
Next, keep on top of the comments in your diary. If someone takes the time to write a comment, consider commenting back. Be sure to thank folks who give you or your diary a kind word.
If someone disagrees with something you wrote, take it as a compliment! Agreement or disagreement isn't a commentary on your work, it's a conversation. And people converse on interesting diaries whether or not they agree on the content.
Plus, whenever you create a discussion in the comments threads you are increasing the comments in your diary. Many members go to read anything that has a new comment, whether the diary is to their liking or not.
How important are the number of comments you get?
In terms of the site they are very important because the comments sections (where members get together to post) are the heart and soul of the site. But in terms of self worth comment counts mean nothing.
Notice how the godfather of MHR (Guru himself) will sometimes post a front page story and it receives zero comments. Is he any less of a writer? Or how about the Mdierk "Horse Tracks" articles that may not generate a ton of comments. It clearly isn't a grade on someone's work.
I recently got well over a hundred comments in a recent article I wrote, but aroud half of the comments were personal attacks against me and our team, and the rest (for the most part) were folks trying to reason with someone who was more concerned with arguing for the sake of arguing. I jokingly commented that I was grateful to the offending (since banned) person for my comment count, but in truth I was dissapointed that there was little discussion about my article. In this case, the high comment count meant zero towards the value of my article (just as low counts mean zero towards other articles).
If you must be concerned with how many people read your diary, add a poll. People love to have their opinions heard, and polls are hard for most members to pass up on taking part in. I have written diaries with very few comments, but many, many poll contributers. I knew I was getting read!
How important is spelling, grammer, and other English stuff like that?
Do your best, and don't worry beyond that. We have some foreign members of MHR who do a great job, and nobody notices any errors. In fact, it is bad manners to point out if someone makes a mistake(s). The better you do, the easier the diary is to read. But we're family here, and we all recognize that there are different backgrounds involved. I'm a pretty educated guy, and I was even a teacher once upon a time ago, but I make my share of mistakes.
This isn't English class. It's a place to share about your favorite team and sport. Just do your best.
What are some of the attitude ideas you're talking about?
This week I'm going to focus on humility.
Be humble. I'll never forget a nerdy kid coming up to me at the school where I coached defense. He had a piece of scrap paper in his hand, and told me he had designed a play for our football team to use. Inside I was thinking "Oh my God!"
It gets worse. The kid (who looked like he had never picked up a football in his life) said he designed it on his Madden NFL game on his home computer. Out of sheer politeness I looked at the play and it was just horrible. It was a massive blitz play that I would never consider, and the diagram was almost unintelligable.
I told him I'd take a closer look at it later and thanked him for it. A couple of days later I saw him in the hall and the kid had enough spunk to come up to me and ask what I thought about it. He looked like he would be crushed if I said anything but something positive about it. "Don't tell a soul or I'll kick your scrawny little butt", I told him "but I'm going to use your play tomorow night". The kid lit up and asked me to tell him how it went when school resumed on Monday. "Won't you be there?" I asked.
"I can't afford it."
I made sure he got a ticket for the game, and told him he could hang with the team on the sideline if he stayed out of the way. He looked nervous, and after some prodding I found out that I had a few bullies on the team that he was worried about. I saw a coaching opportunity and jumped on it.
I wasn't the head coach, but I was good at firing up the team and did most of the locker room pep talks.
I told the "men" that this was our field, and those were our fans, friends, and family in the stands. Right now an army from across town was coming to spit on our field, to tear down our school's flag, and to take our cheerleaders. (This got a few chuckles). But as I went on the team got more serious. I poured it on about how we were the only thing between our opponents and our fans. About how I expected our players to vanquish the enemy or die trying in the last trench of the last battle in the last minute of the last quarter of the game. It was corny, but the kids were eating it up. They started punching each other on the shoulder pads and yelling. "Do or die" was written all over their faces.
Then I told them that to ensure our victory, I had brought a secret weapon. "I picked out a member of the student body to stand with us on the sideline. He isn't a warrior like you, but he's from our school and he's one of ours. He isn't strong, he isn't pretty, he isn't your best friend. But he's your mission tonight. If the other team gets to him, they've gotten past you. If they get past him, they get to our people in the stands. He represents everybody that's out there that took the time and the money to come see you win this game. It's (I said the boy's name), and tonight your job is to guard him on the scoreboard. Some of you may think he's a runt. But a runt from our school is better than the captain of the football team from their school!"
Like I said, corny as all heck, and risky too. But it worked. I had a good bunch of kids that took what I said to heart. They played strong and hard, and when the right moment came for a blitz I told the boy (falsely) that his play was coming up. I only blitzed a couple of players, but on the sideline the effect was the same. He thought it was really his play. Several of the players took the kid under their wing, and I forgot about the whole thing a few days later.
Later in the academic year I learned that the boy was thinking about suicide, and had called one of his friends to talk about it. The friend told the school counselor who got the kid into some professional help. It turned out the friend was one of the football players who had befriended the boy during the game.
I could have followed my first instinct and ignored the play the boy submitted. I could have also brushed the kid off with a friendly "Yeah, we'll run it" and left it at that. I don't know if the steps I took helped us to win that night (we were not used to losing much anyway). I also don't know if I had any role in helping the kid get some help when he needed it. But I look back and I'm glad I handled it the way I did. It was humility that kept me from being the "big bad" football coach and helped me to spend a little time on a kid that nobody else seemed to bother with.
Humility means not being the "expert". I like to think I know a bit about Xs and Os, but I also know there are plenty of people who know a lot more. I also know that there are tons of people who are more up on issues like the salary cap and drafting. There are also several writers that out perform my writing on a regular basis. But like I said earlier, it isn't a competition. We all have a role to play, and if we each do our best then that's enough.
Admit when you're wrong, or when you don't know something. If you have a question, then ask somebody (members love to be asked questions). If you read something you like, be sure to compliment the author.
And last (for this week), look at the MHR community as a family. We're here to support our team, and here to write about it. We are the great site that we are because we have three things that you don't find on a lot of the sports media sites:
- Members who show class in their comments by showing tact when they disagree, and are quick to praise,
- Members who are willing to both share their knowledge as well as learn,
- Members who look at other members as a part of their network of friends or family, and not just strangers who post in the virtual world.
Until then, enjoy the MHR Mock Draft! Who said the reloading season was boring!
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Great story ht
And boy, if perfect English skills were required I'd be in a heap of trouble!
by Darin H on Mar 31, 2008 4:52 PM MDT 0 recs
Thanks Darin
Sports sites can be just as vicious as political sites, but I'm glad to have found a site that places a premium on members who act like adults. Lots of news and insight, and even debate, but little to nothing in the way of personal snipes.
I'm really glad you came over to take a look around and stay awhile.
by hoosierteacher on
Mar 31, 2008 5:47 PM MDT
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Building Credit
by firstfan on Mar 31, 2008 4:54 PM MDT 0 recs
Welcome First!
by hoosierteacher on
Mar 31, 2008 5:41 PM MDT
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Welcome to MHR
by Jon Tollerud on
Apr 1, 2008 11:03 AM MDT
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I believe that...
Those articles didn't get a lot of comments of debative sort - but the articles still served as a way to share some knowledge you happen to be in possesion of.
P.S. I wouldn't take offense if you guys corrected some of my grammar - most of my longer writes are with the Danish-English translator next to me, but still. Actually i think i might appreciate it, if some of you could help me improve - like you, HT, actually once did :)
by Claaaaas on Mar 31, 2008 5:17 PM MDT 0 recs
Like i = I, for instance :P
by Claaaaas on
Mar 31, 2008 5:18 PM MDT
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The funny thing is...
And really, you should change your signature. It shows a lot of humility, but you are certainly smarter than "un-knowing-ness". I believe you also hold the distinction of winning the first, international MHR contest ever held.
You're doing great!
by hoosierteacher on
Mar 31, 2008 5:21 PM MDT
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HT!
by Jon Tollerud on Mar 31, 2008 5:20 PM MDT 0 recs
Thanks Jon
We all get carried away. (It was late at night, and I was in the middle of taking some courses on forensics and deductive reasoning, and I wrote a lengthy comment about how I evaluated Marshall's injury. When I saw it the next morning I was pretty embarassed about it! I wanted to erase it, but not every member can erase their own comments so I felt I should just leave it alone. I won't provide the link, but if you find it you can see just how over the top I was).
And good for your cousin! Tell him we all wish him the best. The best advice I always give young people is to read about and study the game, but always follow what the coach wants. A few parents or players will still ask me what I think about certain aspects of the game, and I always try to tell them what I think, but with the admonition to do what the coach says if anything I say is in disagreement.
Keep us up to date on how your cousin does in his HS years!
by hoosierteacher on
Mar 31, 2008 5:31 PM MDT
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Will do
by Jon Tollerud on
Mar 31, 2008 11:08 PM MDT
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Another reminder
Tone of voice/emotion don't come across very well with the written word. I have seen too many dust ups when people get offended by something that was not meant to be taken seriously. I know that I have to be careful since I have a dry, sarcastic humor so you will see plenty of :) or </snark> or j/k in my comments.
I also think HT's last bullet point is the key one. As long as you remember that there is a person at the other end of each screen name (and treat that person as part of your community and not as a stranger) everything else will work itself out.
by MattR on Mar 31, 2008 5:21 PM MDT 0 recs
Great point!
I also have a dry and sarcastic sense of humor. I have to be careful in person with it, and I try to just not use it at all on the internet. Jokes don't come across well on the internet.
Words come across as literal when read from a typed medium. That's why people who often have to tell others to "lighten up" don't realize that when communicating in posts there is going to be literal interpretation rather than figurative. How many times did our old troll keep telling people (after he insulted them) not to be so literal? He didn't realize the burden was on the typist to understand that the words will be taken that way, not the readers. (Then again, most of his stuff was insulting regardless of how it was read).
by hoosierteacher on
Mar 31, 2008 5:39 PM MDT
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How timely
Thanks so much for your heartfelt words. Speaking for myself: I needed it. Will try to apply the spirit of your guidelines from now on.
It's good to see firstfan. I took the liberty of inviting him over from Mason' Morsels.
The story you related was another example to me of how great it is to be involved with young people, and how, in many ways, high school football is the greatest level with which to be involved.
Thanks again,
by dardarsh on Mar 31, 2008 7:38 PM MDT 0 recs
Dardash
While there are some rules of thumb for sites overall, customs are a huge part how each site (or blog) approaches their own culture (consuetudo est altera lex). It can be hard to go from one site to another and keep track of it all. We're just waaaaaaayyyyyy too nice here.
And you're dead on about working with young people. I loved teaching and coaching, and I agree that a lot of life lessons happen in the sports realm.
by hoosierteacher on
Apr 1, 2008 1:34 PM MDT
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consuetudo
by dardarsh on
Apr 1, 2008 5:49 PM MDT
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quidquid Latine dictum sit altum videtur.
by hoosierteacher on
Apr 1, 2008 6:20 PM MDT
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Est quid est, puer domus.
by dardarsh on
Apr 1, 2008 6:40 PM MDT
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I Like To Say...
I've always taken great pride in the little things: keeping my word, having good manners, being a good listener and things like that. I've struggled with some character flaws, but I'm usually not so fargone as to not recognize them.
Well, that's a whole bunch of random thoughts put together for no apparent reason, so I guess I'll stop now. For some reason, this diary got my mind wondering and I think that's a good thing! Kudos again, my friend.
by ejruiz on Mar 31, 2008 7:51 PM MDT 0 recs
You do a great job here Ejru
Keep on keeping on!
by hoosierteacher on
Apr 1, 2008 1:36 PM MDT
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Would it be prudent
Also, I agree with MattR that HT's last bullet point is the key one. Just from personal experience at Purple Row, members were quite supportive for this one contributor who was going through some tough problems from late October through November. Here was a group of people who never met this person, but they were all wishing for the person to get better. Some times you need to take a step back and realize there's flesh and blood behind the words on the screen, a person just like you.
by Russ on Mar 31, 2008 8:03 PM MDT 0 recs
It would be ok with me!
It never bothered me at all. In fact, I always got a kick out of it. The kids really loved it when I had to draw a picture to illustrate a point. My stick-men even suck!
Now when a troll goes after my spelling and can't make a cogent point, that's a different matter. But when it's a friend pointing out the error it's well taken.
by hoosierteacher on
Apr 1, 2008 1:43 PM MDT
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And that little boy grew up to be...
by hercules rockefeller on Mar 31, 2008 9:18 PM MDT 0 recs
Whew!
by hoosierteacher on
Apr 1, 2008 2:10 PM MDT
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Yeah but
by hercules rockefeller on
Apr 1, 2008 3:04 PM MDT
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Yes. I got it : )
by hoosierteacher on
Apr 1, 2008 3:28 PM MDT
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Great read...if only all kids got that dose of
I'd also like to say that I see diaries as sort of a communities gathering/message board. I enjoy posting anything and everything I find interesting about Bronco football or even football in general. Whether is fits with everyone doesn't matter, what matters is that its out there for anyone and everyone who wants to check it out.
And the format makes it much better than an actual message board in my opinion.
As far as comment counts...I think the only time I mentioned anything was that one article you had 150+. I cracked a few jokes about having comment envy, but that was before I read through and saw all the crapola everyone was shoveling with our former resident hater. :) <naturally I got into the mix before it was all over...its just who I am> lol
Look forward to next week HT!
OOMPA LOOMPA, DOOMPADAH DEE
It's JaMarcus Russell, RRRRRUUUUNNNN!!!!!
by Zappa on Mar 31, 2008 10:12 PM MDT 0 recs
Comments
I read every diary and every story at MHR, and they are all worth my time. I keep up with all comments on the front page stories and all of the current diaries still listed. If someone took the time to write it it deserves to be read. If I don't leave a comment it is often because the diary said it all.
Also, while I get a pretty good comment count a lot of times, it is often because I try to reply to many of the comments under a story or diary that I do. Thus much of the count is my own commenting.
(btw, every decade of age I hit I keep thinking that it is only the people that hit that decade who understand what is truly important. What I held as valuable in my twenties changed in my thirties, 40s, etc).
by hoosierteacher on
Apr 1, 2008 1:57 PM MDT
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Nice work HT
If we treat MHR.com like we're proud of it, it will continue do be a great forum for everything Broncos.
by super7 on Apr 1, 2008 9:56 AM MDT 0 recs
Agreed 100% super! n/t
by hoosierteacher on
Apr 1, 2008 1:59 PM MDT
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Thanks for dropping by Chris!
by hoosierteacher on
Apr 1, 2008 2:05 PM MDT
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Let me just say...
Thanks again to everyone for making this a most rewarding hobby for me, and for proving that Broncos Fans are the best in the world!
by TheSportsGuru on Apr 1, 2008 12:31 PM MDT 0 recs
Not only that,
Dang Guru, I should get an interview done with you! (HINT HINT)!
by hoosierteacher on
Apr 1, 2008 2:08 PM MDT
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And I'd been waiting
by Russ on
Apr 1, 2008 5:21 PM MDT
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I noticed the only team missing
I say this only from personal experience of having been born in San Diego and having most of my family being so-called "Charger" fans. It's rather pathetic actually...
OOMPA LOOMPA, DOOMPADAH DEE
It's JaMarcus Russell, RRRRRUUUUNNNN!!!!!
by Zappa on
Apr 1, 2008 8:36 PM MDT
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Your new MHR University logo looks
OOMPA LOOMPA, DOOMPADAH DEE
It's JaMarcus Russell, RRRRRUUUUNNNN!!!!!
by Zappa on Apr 1, 2008 2:20 PM MDT 0 recs
I believe the credit goes to 100%
by hoosierteacher on
Apr 1, 2008 3:25 PM MDT
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Great article
by broncodude793 on Apr 1, 2008 4:55 PM MDT 0 recs
You have better excuses than I do...
Talk about the Law of unintended consequences. lol, having his new show fall into the time slot right before the Raider hoes get online. ;) Love it!
OOMPA LOOMPA, DOOMPADAH DEE
It's JaMarcus Russell, RRRRRUUUUNNNN!!!!!
by Zappa on
Apr 1, 2008 8:31 PM MDT
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Oh and just so you know,
OOMPA LOOMPA, DOOMPADAH DEE
It's JaMarcus Russell, RRRRRUUUUNNNN!!!!!
by Zappa on
Apr 1, 2008 8:32 PM MDT
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