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S.I. Agrees, This Draft Is Very Important To The Broncos.

I have been saying for months now that this draft is easily the most important in Mike Shanahan's tenure with the team.  S.I.'s Don Banks seems to agree with me.  He breaks down the 5 teams with the most on the line this draft, and it shouldn't take long to figure out who is Number 1 on his list --

1. Denver -- Two consecutive non-playoff seasons is an obvious factor adding to the sense of urgency in Bronco-land. The surprising and relatively late-in-the-draft-season departure of general manager Ted Sundquist is another, because now there's no one else to blame but coach Mike Shanahan if things don't work out on the personnel front.

Denver's recent track record is spotty at best when it comes to identifying talent and building a roster. All those swings and misses on the defensive line. All those chances taken on players who came with some baggage in tow. The Broncos have nine overall picks, including two in the fourth, fifth and seventh rounds, but how they use their first two selections (No. 12 and 42 overall) will be huge.

They have to replace retired offensive tackle Matt Lepsis if they hope to re-solidify their line and keep quarterback Jay Cutler's development going. And they have to again shop for an impact player in the middle of their defensive line, which is a key to their defensive improvement. In addition, the offseason arm injury suffered by No. 1 receiver Brandon Marshall could force the Broncos to spend their second-round pick on another pass-catcher.

With the talent gap only widening between two-time defending division champion San Diego and the rest of the AFC West, the Broncos and Shanahan don't have any margin for error.

The pressure will only continue to mount as we get closer to April 25.

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Talk about
straight out of the "horse's mouth".  Don Banks must read MHR.

by Zappa on Apr 11, 2008 1:12 PM MDT   0 recs

OT
I'm getting sick of the implication that the only way we'll find a replacement for Lepsis is to draft one now.

As far as I can tell, either no one in the national media remembers who we spend our third round pick on last season, or no one outside of Denver thinks Harris has a chance to pan out.

It's not so much this specific article, just building frustration. It doesn't bother me people have the Broncos taking OT's in the first round despite the fact that they never take linemen in the first round. It bothers me that I can't find any mock drafts that don't have us taking an OT. Even when we have to reach for either Williams or Otah with the 12th pick. I'd have to think that Shanny wouldn't reach for an OT in the first round, regardless of whether Harris has mysteriously vanished or not.

by Jack on Apr 11, 2008 4:06 PM MDT   0 recs

I'm here for you Jack! : )
I think it is entirely possible that Harris gets the start at LT.  I also think that it is possible (for reasons in my current University article) that Denver surprises the masses and goes for a guard.

Either way, I am with you that Denver can get a great OT (or any OL) by going mid round or later.  The key (as I've said again and again) isn't how good the OL is or how high in the draft he is, so much as whether or not he can play in our system.  This is indicated by either a zon block background or (more importantly) having quick speed in small space and good agility.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Apr 11, 2008 5:50 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Ok, Ht, Zappa, Jack, someone,
I'm being serious, though a little frustrated here. For our future, which side of the ball is more important to try and stabalize with this draft?
"Cutler is going to get pounded this year unless we build up the Offense!" -The VillynSun Apr 06, 2008 at 03:10:37 PM EDT

by broncodude793 on Apr 11, 2008 6:39 PM MDT   0 recs

I would have to say both.
We need to shore up our OL and WR in this draft to contribute.  We also need a franchise RB in the next year or two if we ever want to win another Super Bowl.

But yea, defense is our biggest need right.  K2 is a temporary solution, as is Boss.  Lynch will need an adequate replacement.  Bailey and Bly ain't getting any younger either you know.  With a solid DT in this draft, we will have the DL set for many years to come.

We also need a KR/PR.  

lol, no wonder Guru got all up in arms when I said things weren't all that bad.  When you start listing our needs, they sure pile up quickly.  I think we'll figure out a way to start winning again though.  We are the Broncos after all.  Top 5 win percentage over the past 35 years...we'll be okay.  Hopefully in a year or two we'll be GREAT rather than "okay".  Only time will tell.

At least we're not screwed like the Raiduhs or Chefs.  ;)  You gotta look on the bright side of things every now and then.

by Zappa on Apr 11, 2008 7:19 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

K2 not temporary solution
Zap, I must disagree with you on K2. I think he is the real deal and will make our LB a very solid group. Our worry remains a bona fide run stuffing DT.

by firstfan on Apr 11, 2008 10:19 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I hope you are right!
I want nothing more than to have K2 anchoring the middle for the next 5-7 years, but I have yet to see him play a down for us...so until then I will remain skeptical.

by Zappa on Apr 11, 2008 10:31 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Good call First
I'm with you on K2.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Apr 12, 2008 9:24 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

My take dude
I really think both sides of the ball have needs, and a balanced approach is best.

The defense is screwed without at least one solid DT, and without a good #2 receiver I don't believe Marshall and Cutler will be as effective as we want.

I also think we have decent starters on the OL, but zero depth and a couple of injury probabilities.

But I also have some odd views (see my most recent University article).  I believe that Denver has fooled some critics and put together a LB corps that will shock our opponents.  I also think that we may go tackle, but possibly guard in the draft for OL.  Safety is covered by stop-gap players for now, but even at that we are still improved over last year.  I also won't be surprised to see a RB to go along with Henry (Mendenhall looks like a potential workhorse/power back).

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Apr 11, 2008 7:36 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

HT!
You tease me when you mention Mendenhall.  Guru just about had me sold on either Harvey or Williams...but now I think I am back to salivating over Mendenhall.

by Zappa on Apr 11, 2008 7:52 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Felix Jones
deserves as much if not more consideration than either Mendenhall or Stewart, especially if Denver is looking at the possibility of trading into the late first round.

They almost have TOO MUCH leverage to do that, but he is pure Denver bliss...

I wish my sig was as cool as mdierks!

by styg50 on Apr 11, 2008 9:01 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

There are several good...
...RBs in the draft who match well with us, and I won't be surprised if Mike tricks the masses and goes for a RB somewhere in the draft.

As much as I would like a speed type WR to compliment Marshall, I also want a power/bruising/workhorse RB if we bring one in.  

Young and Hall have the speed (if not the endurance).  And while I've been Henry's biggest advocate, he is the one player in our RB committee most likely to get hurt (and the only true power/workhorse back in our top three).  So if we take a running back, PLEASE let it be a juggernaut type!

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Apr 12, 2008 9:42 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Offensive line
It wouldn't bother me if we picked an OT in the draft, nor do the individual mock drafts necessarily bother me by having us pick one of several tackles. What bothers me is the EVERYONE has us picking a tackle. I just don't get it. I've seen drafts with three OT's going before pick 12, and we STILL take a tackle. It's like no one has any creative thought whatsoever. The only draft I've seen with us not taking a OT is MockingtheDraft, where Guru had us take Derrick Harvey.
I'd just like to see someone outside of Denver think that maybe there might be a position other than OT that we might draft early.

by Jack on Apr 11, 2008 9:11 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Guard
There are many mock drafts that still have Branden Albert available at #12. We could do worse.

by firstfan on Apr 11, 2008 10:21 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

No worries
Chefs will take him and Edwards will play him at Tackle, thus ensuring their continued irrelevance in the NFL.

Herm Edwards reasoning will be:  "We didn't want to pay a guard that kind of money."  :)

I wish my sig was as cool as mdierks!

by styg50 on Apr 11, 2008 10:42 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Their reasoning is what kills me
because I think they will end up being right.  Almost universally they say, "Matt Lepsis retired so Denver needs a LT."  Without backing up this statement, to me they are jsut making a lucky guess.

A)  We needed a LT before Lepsis retired.

B)  We have a 3rd round LT.

The most credit I will give someone is if they say we need a LT because Cutler is so important.

They score points for understanding that at least....

I wish my sig was as cool as mdierks!

by styg50 on Apr 11, 2008 10:39 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

is this a thought
I'm a huge Denver broncos fan and im fairly new to this. i was just curious if you guys think this would work. What if Denver signed chis henry, i know he has alot of issues but we can get incentives in his contract and he will come cheap. he is a very solid 2 receiver and if he gets right through our captains, he was a steal. I think denver has to address the defensive tackle, rumors are denver has a contract waiting in Robertson from the jets as soon as he is released or traded for a late pick. denver kills 2 weaknesses at a very low pay, though risky. It allows us to either trade up for the likes of Ellis or we can stay put, take clady or Williams at 12 and in the 2nd round grab the running back from ucf. therefore denver is better and still have 7 picks left in the draft? thoughts? i know its risky with robertson but people dont realise robertson had knee issues back in college so this is nothing knew. henry may be a stretch but if he pans out, what a steal.

by jaykwon305 on Apr 13, 2008 1:21 PM MDT   0 recs

Welcome aboard, J!!!
I think hoosierteacher does a good job of summing up the strongest position on Henry/Robertson.  My 2 cents:
  1.  Henry:  I am a fan of any soul that takes it upon themselves to recreate their foundation and make the right choices.  I wish this kind of strength of character for Henry, but I have to admit that he has had more opportunity and less results than people with worse situations and less incentive.  I have very little hope for him.  And while his talent would be an upgrade, I can't help but think of how short term he would be, and Shanahan has definitely set his sites on the long term development of this franchise, especially since it has become obvious that supplementing Cutler's burgeoning talent with  a boatload of big name veterans isn't the way for Denver to stay competitive.  Shanahan looks to be going the other way, instead relying on youth and "blank slates" that can be written with a new "history of the Broncos".
  2.  If we don't get Robertson, we need to get someone like him.  Mckinley is the only veteran DT on this team with significant playing time.  Even if we add rookies, it wouldn't be unreasonable if those rookies really wore down by the end of the year.  A roster of 4 and 5 year veterans can afford a nip and tuck rotation, but we will be relying on probably two first year players and two second year players, so we definitely need more run stopping veterans in the mix, or our runstopping line at the end of the year will consist of a very tired rookie and undersized pass rushing spoecialists.  Not good.  At this point in time, I feel Robertson is worth a fourth and fifth rounder, which is probably what it would cost us to move up into the third with our #108 to nab DT Ahtyba Rubin.  I would love to hear that we are actually looking at trading a 6th and seventh for him, but I have to admit he is worth more than that, especially to Denver.
One thing is for sure:  a Shanny draft is never boring!
I wish my sig was as cool as mdierks!

by styg50 on Apr 13, 2008 3:27 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I like getting Robertson AND Rubin
I've said before that we need one DT that we acquire to be great.  If either of these guys works out he can make the DT next to him look good too.  Two great DTs is too much to hope for, but if two DTs work out great we have the makings of a legendary defense.  (In fact, if we end up with two great DTs we only need to upgrade at SAF in '09 to be unstoppable).

If nobody new works out at DT we MUST have someone current step up.  I don't see McKinley doing it at this point in his career, so it would have to be Thomas (which is possible, being a young man who held his own last year).  

But you make a great point on the need for a veteran presence at DT.  K2 has a leadership reputation, and we know that Lynch and Bailey are leaders too.  This is entirely "out there", but my experience is that DTs need leadership from within (from another DT).  It was my experience that OLs need another "OL leader", and the DTs need a "DT leader".  I know that I'm generalizing, but it seemed to me that DTs take leadership from other DTs more so than from DEs.  My guess is that this is because the DTs work together more closely than they do with the rest of the d-line, much in the same way that OLs all work together.

OLs also work more closely together in zone blocking (which is what they ran in the HS program I worked with).

I'm not as concerned about the rookies wearing down by the end of the year.  In a game the bigger DLs wear down (2 gap types and DTs in general).  This is why rotation is so important.  Training at altitude gives our DL a slight edge in endurance training (regardless of the altitude they play in).  In terms of a season I think "mass" has less to do with it than does age, where I believe that it is the veterans that wear down more.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Apr 13, 2008 4:44 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Glad you're here Jay!
And good questions.  Here are my opinions.
  1. No on Henry.  I know he's a terrific WR, but as bad as Denver got burned in FA last year (and as much legal troubles as our guys were in last year) there's no way Shanahan (or Bowlen) allow Chris Henry to happen.  I hear your points, I just don't think our management will take the risks (even with the contract you propose).
  2. I'm ok with the Robertson trade, and I believe something is in place.  There are just too many rumours floating for something not to be there.  But the trade is set for draft weekend, and I think it will depend on what happens for Denver (or NYJ) in the draft.  It may or may not go through.
  3. I don't want to trade up for Ellis, but Shanahan has a history of trading up for who he wants, and DT is critical.  If we stay, your idea of Williams is pretty popular on several mock draft boards.  I don't know about a RB in the 2nd, but if you read my article (the University article) you'll see that I have a gut feeling that Mike might surprise us and get a RB after all, so who knows?
I hope we trade down and end up with a total of ten picks.  Rumors differ on if we give up one or two second day picks (third round and below are second day picks this year).  The question is, what picks are Robertson worth?
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Apr 13, 2008 2:01 PM MDT   0 recs

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