MHR University- Extra Credit Option 10- Running Back
After breaking down those areas we consider “need” areas, I would like to go into more of a breakdown coming into the draft in the positions we are “set.” Mike Shanahan has never been known to leave any area alone if he feels a good player or a need is there. The last part of the Extra Credit Series will look at areas on our roster we could improve and the guys we can possibly bring in to help that. Onto the piece.
Running Back-
This is a position that will shake up some controversy here. Do we stay with who we have? Do we draft? What do we do? I have my opinions and then there is things that are almost certain. Lets see:
~Travis Henry is a bruiser back, not built for speed
~Selvin Young isn’t a 40 carry per game back
~Andre Hall isn’t a 40 carry per game back
~Cecil Sapp is more of a blocking runner who can get short yardage
~Are the Broncos a run by committee type of team for good?
~The rest of our guys are special teams/ practice squad/ camp fodder
Travis Henry was brought in to be a workhorse running back. He is in no way a speed demon but has decent vision and agility to pound the defense with the run. With Henry taking the majority of the carries it opens our game up for big plays from the backfield and on the fly.
Selvin Young and Andre Hall both provide what a Bruiser like Henry cannot, Speed. These two are outside out of your mid runners who are built to get the 15-20 yard runs after Bruisers run for 5-6-7 yards. The problem with these types is they are not built to last. They needs to be what has become known as a “Spell” halfback (gives your main threat a breather).
Cecil Sapp isn’t a true fullback but he is the best we have and can pound for 1 or 2 yards here and there. He also is a decent blocker. His willingness to take on the role of fullback reminds me of Mike Anderson’s team first attitude when it came to the position.
For the moment the broncos look to be a “Run by Committee” team. The problem in that system is that you know what each guy is out there to do. With every other guy at this position just being practice squad/ camp fodder, Denver needs to look for a guy who can be a bruiser and have game speed. I would advocate cloning Terrell Davis but that won’t happen any time soon so on to the Draft…
Draft Prospects:
Rashard Mendenhall
A 4.37 from a 225-pound running back?. His bench and vertical numbers weren't bad either. Lots of potential here. Mendenhall, who has both size and power is averaging seven yards per carry through four games in 2007. Mendenhall trampled Indiana for 214 yards on 27 rushes. Guru advocated for him at one point and then I looked into him. What a beast. Not AD or TD or LT but a good back who can bruise and run with some speed come game time. Could be an excellent addition immediately. First rounder and will be lucky if he is on the board come pick twenty.
Chris Johnson
A low 4.20’s 40 time? WOW! The question most people ask is if he can play football, heck I’ll side with Guru on him being a return man! Lets do this thing. Played a little smaller ball than most of us would want from a running back but then again Sharpe came from Savannah St. so it could work out. Second round would be his spot.
Mike Hart
Most people still have this cover boy going in the 4th and 5th round but I think hell go third at the latest. He didn’t have a crazy combine but that’s because he is a game back not a test back. Look at any Michigan game the last three years, the boy was crazy good.
The other backs available this year at Walter & Co.:
http://walterfootball.com/draft2008RB.php
This is a Fan-Created Comment on MileHighReport.com. The opinion here is not necessarily shared by the editorial staff of MHR
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Great post as always Jon
First, I think we are a natural team for the committee approach. There are pros and cons for it, but being an endurance advantaged team (altitude) and with the number of injury potentials for RBs, I just really like the committee approach for a team built like Denver. Only an exceptional (very special) RB will displace that system, and I believe he would have to be a power guy.
While I might not advocate a high pick on a RB, Mendenhall is a beast. One thing you can add to his solid resume is that he is a one cut runner. His speed is good for his size, but he is a power demon! I really advocate having another power back in the event that Henry goes down. Speed is important (it’s my favorite overall trait in a player because it covers mistakes), but for our system I love the idea of a power back bruising up the opposition, allowing for speed runs and misdirection passes later in the game.
If we take a speed RB for our STs return game (a point that Guru has made), I’m fine with that. But if we take a back who is going to get time on the offense we already have two speedsters, and so I would be for Mendehall. Let’s get a power guy, and if we do, let it be Mendenhall. Otherwise, let’s skip RBs (unless we get one for STs) and fill our more urgent needs.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Apr 23, 2008 6:04 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks HT
I don’t know how “pressing” the Running Back need is but gotta keep it flowing. I think Mendenhall is a high quality back and could do well here. I say we pick one up later in the draft. I agree there are pros and cons but what is comes down to is what you want to see. Personally I WANT TD back! too bad it wont happen so for now I will settle for our committee system but we need a star back here soon.
Davis to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on Apr 23, 2008 9:45 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
HT and I have been in disagreement for a long time
over the committee approach Denver has practiced for most years since TD. Only when we had Clinton Portis did we not have a committee since TD. I think HT is wrong when he says we are a natural team for this style. I personally believe that if Shanny picked up another Clinton Portis talent that our system would immediately change from a committee to one horse beast. We just need to find that 1500 yard runner that can do it consistently.
As for Mike Hart, I saw a video of him several weeks ago that perked my interest in him. I posted a video of Mike Hart in the FanShot section of MHR. Check it out! :)
by Tim Lynch on Apr 23, 2008 8:34 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I can meet you part way
I do believe that if we have an elite back we CAN get away with just one. In the meantime, without having that elite back the committee approach is awesome.
However, keep in mind that even with an elite back, we can punish the heck out of the guy in a no-rotate program and lose years off of a career. How much longer could TD have gone if we could have spelled him more often?
The committee system continues to gain converts too. While Brian Westbrook works out (see Phantom’s comments below) one can also point to the use of two backs in cases like MINN. I think the committee approach has a good chance of being the future of the NFL, mostly because of the career span of RBs. You can double the time a good RB plays for your team if he splits the plays, and in a system like ours (pairing the one cut runner with the zone block) you don’t have a lot of fall off bringing in “just” a #2 guy.
But hey, great minds can disagree on this, and there are good thoughts all around.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Apr 23, 2008 9:16 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Others, too
Jones and Barber in Dallas. LT and Turner in SD.
Or so I'm told.
by MN Bronco on Apr 23, 2008 9:25 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the back and forth arguments
we have about two valid points. :)
by Tim Lynch on Apr 23, 2008 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Runningbacks
I’d argue we don’t necessarily NEED a bruiser to start. Get a full-time speed back in that system and WATCH OUT (spelling an work both ways). Brian Westbrook is working pretty well in Philadelphia.
I also think we need to sort out this running back by committee idea. I don’t know if you guys love the “plug-in” system of the Denver Broncos or not, but running backs continue to come and go in the mountains of Denver. It’d be nice to have Clinton Portis back (seriously, think how good that guy would be in this system…we’ve already SEEN it), but I’ll take Bailey as I have the past few years.
It’d be nice to have 1-2 stable backs for once. We could very well help bring one along in the draft, and I’m hoping Shanny secures a back in this draft. I like Mendenhall in the Denver system…the guy is quick and he can cut well. Chris Johnson’s impact is self-explanatory. Finally, I was never THAT big of a Mike Hart fan. He’s a bruiser, but he also had Jake Long blocking for him for quite a while. His speed doesn’t surprise me, but if you pick him up late enough, he might be worth it. Plus, he’s a good guy (I think).
by phantom818 on Apr 23, 2008 8:55 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
What is "running back by committee"?
I think part of the problem (if there is really a problem) is that people seem to be using this term in different ways. I see there being three different subsets:
(a) a team has a thrid down back like Kevin Faulk who comes in for obvious passing downs
(b) a team has a pair of complimentary backs like the Giants had in 2006 with Tiki and Brandon Jacobs
(c) a team has multiple backs who have slightly different attributes, but who could each be an every down back
The distinction between groups B and C is kinda difficult to summarize in a sentence. One way to think of it is that if the backs have labels (such as speed or power), then you are probably in situation B. If the RBs rotate based on carries and production, then you probably have situation C.
I think Jon does not like the Broncos being a situation B team (Henry is the inside back, Young is the outside back) and I agree. On the other hand, I think HT is advocating for situation C and I agree as well. With the amount of running that Denver does, they need multiple backs who can share the workload and reduce the pounding. But at the same time, defenses should not be able to guess tendencies based on which RB is in the game.
In my ideal world, the Broncos would have a combination of situations A and C. I would like to see Denver draft another every down back similar to Henry and allow the rookie to spell Travis. But then I also like the fact that Denver has a speed back they can go to in a pinch with Selvin Young. (Or alternatively, if the two main backs lean more towards speed, I would want a third Alstott type bruiser for short yardage) For this reason, I have become much more interested in Mendenhall with the #12. (And I’d also like to throw Ray Rice of Rutgers name out there as a back to be considered with Mike Hart)
by MattR on Apr 23, 2008 9:20 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Good thoughts...
Exactly…before we debate the issue, I guess we first have to define exactly what “running back by committee” means. Is it a third down back or speed back that comes in every once in a while to spell the starter (ala DeAngelo Williams in Carolina)?
I think Denver’s been using a “true committee” of runningbacks ever since the Bells (Mike and Tatum). When each guy gets about equal carries and anyone can start on any given day, I feel that’s more of a committee situation. Remember Shannahan’s comments back then? We’ll roll with the hot back. So, in that sense, Minnesota could actually end up gravitating away from their current “committee” state and towards a big time Adrian Peterson show with Taylor as the back-up. Of course, in that kind of a situation (and HT had said it above when discussing the Broncos), if your star gets injured, you’ll have a capable guy ready to shoulder the load. Look at the unfortunate situation for Jerious Norwood in Atlanta. Now he has to contend with Michael Turner as well. But, if Turner or Dunn in the past were ever to get hurt, the back-up would finally get his chance to shine (and could eventually take over the role).
by phantom818 on Apr 23, 2008 9:27 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great point Matt
and you are right with me! I do not want an inside/ outside committee. I would be okay with any guy who would come in as an every down back with speed. I don’t see Young or Hall as every down guys, they aren’t big enough. There are some who say that young can be but I think him bulking up would hurt his production. I don’t think it would kill every one, just Young. That however is an opinion and I know a lot of people don’t share it
Davis to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on Apr 23, 2008 9:39 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clarifying
Nice job clearing things up a little, Matt. There is a definite difference between these scenarios. I don’t like B either. It decreases the amount of guesswork a defense has to do.
Injuries, injuries, injuries… This is my biggest concern with Henry and it’s a HUGE issue. When was the last time he was able to complete a full season? You have to plan on him missing significant time this year. Can Young and Hall then carry the load? I would say RB is a “need” area in the draft and wouldn’t mind at all seeing them use a #1 for it.
I’ve seen Mendenhall play and like him a lot. Haven’t seen Stewart, but have read good things. As for Hart, he’s a hard worker, with talent and a leader. If you can point to one person who turned around Michigan’s disastrous start last season, it’s him. However, I worry about the mileage on him. I think he was a 3 year starter, not sure, and he makes me think of Cedric Benson.
Or so I'm told.
by MN Bronco on Apr 23, 2008 9:41 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was a 3 year starter
you are correct. College Mileage in my opinion, even Big 10 Mileage is not too concerning for me because of the type of player he is. If Mike is there in the fourth when we are on the clock he will be looked at!
Davis to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on Apr 23, 2008 9:47 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
How I'm defining committee
I think of committee as either B or C (as they are different approaches to committee).
“A” is a situation that is not uncommon to most teams we would consider as “no-rotation” or “franchise RB” programs. Many teams can call on a specialist for short downs, goal line, or pass plays.
“B” matches my definition in that you run two backs who compliment each other, and “C” matches as well (but in Denver’s case the multiple backs are NOT every down guys, as Young and Hall demonstrate).
In my own words, a committee is simply the lack of reliance on one RB for the vast majority of “regular” run plays. Thus, whether you switch up two guys who are every down backs, or even switch up your “every down back” with a specialist OFTEN (speedster or bruiser) I would call either case a different approach to committee.
I love Young and Hall for the speed change up they offer our committee, but they can’t touch the ball too many times in a game. Henry is the primary back, but still a part of the committee. I would prefer at least two backs (one speed and one power) that had the endurance for every down. I’d really love a good power/speed combo (like TD) matched with a power guy, but TDs are hard to find (and expensive). Henry’s big disadvantage is that we don’t know how healthy he will be. He may very well be a one RB dominator for us.
Another point for committee (that no one likes to hear) is that money is a big part of the game. We can save money on RBs by getting cheaper guys that may not be “stars” but kick butt in our system. It’s nice for us to build up multiple RBs year after year who break 1000 yds and get traded for other great players (Champ being the most obvious example).
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Apr 23, 2008 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely worth a 4
Obviously, Chicago burned a #1 on Benson which looks bad in hindsight, but those questions were raised before the draft. I’d spend a 4 to get Hart. Not only for his play, but because of his qualities as a person.
Or so I'm told.
by MN Bronco on Apr 23, 2008 9:52 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Oops...
That was supposed to be a reply to you, Jon.
Or so I'm told.
by MN Bronco on Apr 23, 2008 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a Problem
The reply system on 2.0 is going to take some getting used to for sure. As for Hart, most people think he has day one talent but very few teams are going to day one a running back so he is a 5-6-7th best player and the later third early fourth is where most people have him.
Davis to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on Apr 23, 2008 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

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