2008 NFL Draft 4th Round Open Thread
by John Bena on Apr 27, 2008 9:59 AM MDT
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PrintFinally, another selection for the Broncos. The Broncos make 2 picks in the 4th round....Talk about them here....
1.(100) Oakland Raiders - CB Tyvon Branch, Connecticut
2.(101) St. Louis Rams - CB Justin King, Penn State
3.(102) Green Bay Packers- DE Jeremy Thompson, Wake Forest
4.(103) Tennessee Titans - DE William Hayes, Winston-Salem State
5.(104) Cleveland Browns - OLB Beau Bell, UNLV
6.(105) Kansas City Chiefs - WR Will Franklin, Missouri
7.(106) Baltimore Ravens - WR Marcus Smith, New Mexico
8.(107) San Francisco 49ers - OL Cody Wallace, Texas A&M
9.(108) Denver Broncos - OG Kory Lichtensteiger, Bowling Green
10.(109) Philadelphia Eagles - OT Mike McGlynn, Pittsburgh
11.(110) Miami Dolphins - OT Shawn Murphy, Utah State
12.(111) Cleveland Browns - TE Martin Rucker, Missouri
13.(112) Cincinnati Bengals - OT Anthony Collins, Kansas
14.(113) New York Jets - CB Dwight Lowery, San Jose State
15.(114) Buffalo Bills - CB Reggie Corner, Akron
16.(115) Tampa Bay Bucs - DT Dre Moore, Maryland
17.(116) Arizona Cardinals - DE Kenny Iwebema, Iowa
18.(117) Philadelphia Eagles - FS Quintin Demps, Texas El-Paso
19.(118) Houston Texans - LB Xavier Adibi, Virginia Tech
20.(119) Denver Broncos - CB Jack Williams, Kent State
21.(120) Chicago Bears - S Craig Steltz, LSU
22.(121) Seattle Seahawks - DT Red Bryant, Texas A&M
23.(122) Dallas Cowboys - RB Tashard Choice, Georgia Tech
24.(123) New York Giants - OLB Bryan Kehl, BYU
25.(124) Washington Redskins - CB Justin Tyron, Arizona State
26.(125) Oakland Raiders - WR Arman Shields, Richmond
27.(126) Tennessee Titans - WR Lavelle Hawkins, California
28.(127) Indianapolis Colts - TE Jacob Tamme, Kentucky
29.(128) St. Louis Rams - WR Keenan Burton, Kentucky
30.(129) New England Patriots - CB Jonathan Wilhite, Auburn
31.(130) Pittsburgh Steelers - OT Tony Hills, Texas
32.(131) Philadelphia Eagles - CB Jack Ikegwuonu, Wisconsin
33.(132) Buffalo Bills - TE Derek Fine, Kansas
34.(133) Baltimore Ravens - OT David Hale, Weber State
35.(134) Tennessee Titans - OLB Standford Keglar, Purdue
36.(135) Green Bay Packers - OG Josh Sitton, Central Florida
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That Leaves Goff at ILB?
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I think
Goff will continue to slide for a little bit, but he does become more of a hotter prospect without many left in front of him.
by A.J. Haefele on Apr 27, 2008 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions
so i was just talking to myself
in the old thread? It’s ok. I am getting excited again. only a couple more picks to go.
were gonna take a qb!
Davis to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on Apr 27, 2008 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions
With
all the available DTs here, I think Denver should be looking to pickup Justice. Houston picks right before us, and I think he’s good enough value that we grab him here. I say that knowing I didn’t expect Bryant to be here in the 4th, but I still think Justice (if he gets to us…) is the priority.
Uhm
heya. Yes, Moore is there, as are Okam, Bryant, and a few others. Which is why I think Justice should be the pick. Take our chances, and grab one of the DTs remaining with our 2nd 4th.
by A.J. Haefele on Apr 27, 2008 10:07 AM MDT up reply actions
okay casue you are killing me dude
you put it out about 2 min before ESPN Does lol
Davis to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on Apr 27, 2008 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions
naw
Im about to book it after the broncos pick
Davis to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on Apr 27, 2008 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions
so we pick a QB and K
Davis to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on Apr 27, 2008 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions
I cannot say his name but he is from the great lakes area
Davis to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on Apr 27, 2008 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions
Since our pick is here
I think the list of guys I like for this pick are….Justice, the DTs, Tashard Choice, Martin Rucker, and possibly Craig Steltz.
Justice and Bryant
Make it happen!
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What's been said
is who is left and who we want. Now it’s wait and see mode.
by A.J. Haefele on Apr 27, 2008 10:12 AM MDT up reply actions
were gonna get all the titans picks lol
Davis to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on Apr 27, 2008 10:12 AM MDT up reply actions
Holy Christ.
Seriously???
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Interesting.
I thought of Lichtensteiger, but absolutely not in the 4th round. Suffice it to say, I’m not real happy. This kid OVER Justice???
A center!
I’ll have fun spelling that name.
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He's a prospect
but AHEAD of Justice is going to be very difficult to explain.
by A.J. Haefele on Apr 27, 2008 10:15 AM MDT up reply actions
Of course
but all we have is looking at the guys on the board and what we know already. I trust our FO and Shanny to do what they believe is best, but at the same time, I’ve put a lot of time into some of these same prospects and I have my opinions, too. This was a slight disappointment, even if I got the position correct.
by A.J. Haefele on Apr 27, 2008 10:18 AM MDT up reply actions
possible explanation
He’s a prospect so we can get him onto the practice squad, whereas Justice would probably be snagged if Denver cut him after training camp. But that is a risky way to use a 4th rounder.
Hypothetical question
Would you want to be a fly on the wall in the Broncos War Room if the tradeoff was that yuo could not report back on what you heard?
Yes.
In a heartbeat. I’d do a lot of things too gruesome for Fear Factor to be in the Broncos War Room.
by A.J. Haefele on Apr 27, 2008 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions
I thought that initially
But I think it would kill me to have all that inside info and not be able to talk to anyone about it.
I would have no problem with that.
Being in their War Room is one of the things I would absolutely love to do in my lifetime. It would be the greatest two days of my life.
by A.J. Haefele on Apr 27, 2008 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions
He Seems Fine.
He seems very much like Justice from his scouting report, actually. Just getting over the shock now…
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I told you guys not to get your hopes up!
Now take a few deep breaths and let’s do some research. You know the Broncos have some guys getting paid a lot of money to outhink ALL of us. In the meantime, yeah, it looks pretty strange, huh?
By the way, we can nickname the guy “lick” (ewwww), or K-El (like Superman).
I’ll do some research and get back…
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I'm Telling You.
If you ignore the names, you’d be hardpressed to pick out one or the other from their scouting reports. At least the first ones I found.
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Let's
not be like Nicholas Cage and start naming guys Kal-El
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Good one!
I’d forgotten about that. You know his kid is going to get beat up in school!
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by Steve Nichols on Apr 27, 2008 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions
Denver back in 8 more!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
TE for the Browns?
HT must be proud! Multiple TE sets everywhere!!!
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Lichtenwho is identified as a good ZB Center
My four draft guides identify him as a good fit for our team, plus he has the versatility to play both Guard positions. Sounds okay, but I wanted a run stuffer!
Rucker gone
to the Browns, so another name to remove from my wishlist. The DTs are all still there, though. Steltz I think is still a possibility, and to be honest, a Kicker wouldn’t be too shocking, either.
WOW! K-El doesn't look so bad after all...
They can make the write-ups look the same (as Ejru says), but they can only assign one rank number to each player.
Of the OCs in this draft, K-El ranks -
3 overall#5 initial quickness
#4 mobility
#4 pass block
#5 run block
#2 strength
From TSN -
Bottom line: Lichtensteiger is the type of center who often gets overlooked because he lacks great size and athleticism, but he definitely helped himself at the Senior Bowl. Lichtensteiger will not be a high draft pick but should become a solid NFL starter.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
He's one of ours now, so let's wish him the best
Hope he develops quick and bashes lots of heads in the AFC West.
by Arctic Bronco on Apr 27, 2008 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions
Denver's been pretty good with late linemen lately
...and we may have just gotten our backup for Nalen! Who knows. Let’s go youth on the line!
Think of him as
this year’s Chris Kuper. Smaller schooler, bit more overlooked prospect, but a solid guy the team thinks it can develop just in time for the next wave of linemen.
by A.J. Haefele on Apr 27, 2008 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions
Welcome to the party 24!
Good to see ya!
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by Steve Nichols on Apr 27, 2008 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions
lol
we’re just messin around at this point :) Who knows where they can go, it’s pretty much not even worth guessing lol i mean who saw LICHTENSTEIGER!
We can call him Drago or Dragon.
You know the picks aren’t exciting when you have to rely on making up nicknames to have fun! LOL
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by Steve Nichols on Apr 27, 2008 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions
A solid way
to replace the wannabe LB we’ve been putting out there.
by A.J. Haefele on Apr 27, 2008 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions
Denver's too TE oriented for that...
...and seems to prefer having depth at RB and using the est blocker of the group as a blocker (and someime screen pass threat). But I agree, a true FB would be a nice pick-up.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Apr 27, 2008 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions
We still have paul Smith
who can double as FB to go with his status as ST ace.
by A.J. Haefele on Apr 27, 2008 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions
gotta get a DT here
Thomas and D-Rob are question marks. I like em both but the team should prepare for the worst.
I'm with you brother!
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by Steve Nichols on Apr 27, 2008 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions
I agree.
I advocated a center for the last pick (though a different one, lol) with the idea that a DT or two would be gone before our pick and we’d still have a solid pick. So far, it looks like it will shake out that way. I love the list of available guys and didn’t think it would shake out like this. I hope we take advantage of it, but I can’t shake the nagging Craig Steltz feeling.
by A.J. Haefele on Apr 27, 2008 10:38 AM MDT up reply actions
Keep throwing out names
let’s see the next guy the Broncos can pick that we didn’t throw out there lol
Yup.
The “other” Griffin brother is, too.
by A.J. Haefele on Apr 27, 2008 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions
Buffalo...
Just took a corner named Corner! HAHAHA!
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Who's at corner?
Corner.
Yeah, who’s at corner?!
Corner!!
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Who?
No, “Who” is playing at linbacker!
: )
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by Steve Nichols on Apr 27, 2008 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions
Airplane
Roger Murdock: Flight 2-0-9’er, you are cleared for take-off.
Captain Oveur: Roger!
Roger Murdock: Huh?
Tower voice: L.A. departure frequency, 123 point 9’er.
Captain Oveur: Roger!
Roger Murdock: Huh?
Victor Basta: Request vector, over.
Captain Oveur: What?
Tower voice: Flight 2-0-9’er cleared for vector 324.
Roger Murdock: We have clearance, Clarence.
Captain Oveur: Roger, Roger. What’s our vector, Victor?
Tower voice: Tower’s radio clearance, over!
Captain Oveur: That’s Clarence Oveur. Over.
Tower voice: Over.
Captain Oveur: Roger.
Roger Murdock: Huh?
Tower voice: Roger, over!
Roger Murdock: What?
Captain Oveur: Huh?
Victor Basta: Who?
"I'm afraid we're going to have to blow the Flight computer!"
Computer smiles.
lol
Oh, and “THERE’S A SALE AT PENNIES!”
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Apr 27, 2008 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions
Red Bryant!
He’s my pick.
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There goes Dre Moore...
Sorry guys.
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Okay, here we go...let's get these possibilities in, keep adding them up
Okam, Choice, Bryant, Moore, Hart (give me more to add :D)
Some more
Washington, Drago, Coutu, Steltz
by A.J. Haefele on Apr 27, 2008 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions
I want Rubin at DT
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Apr 27, 2008 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions
3 more picks to go!
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ESPN talking to Danny Woodhead
right now. Anyone think his name will be called today, or will we hear about him as an UDFA?
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Rubin! That would be nice!
You know, with the saurkraut and corned beef on a marbled rye with thousand island….
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by Steve Nichols on Apr 27, 2008 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions
How can you NOT pick someone from our "brilliant" list lol
Okam, Choice, Bryant, Hart, Washington, Dragosavich, Coutu, Steltz, Rubin
good pick Houston
Xavier Adibi – thought he would’ve been a second round pick. At least Denver was not too interested in OLB.
Hee hee hee. Here it comes! Now don't get mad folks....
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Jack Williams.
Hmmm, stockpiling, I guess.
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I guess this is what makes the draft so much fun
Williams seems to have the same measureables and body type as Darrent.
Holy crap
I understand trying to improve the special teams, but to the point of reaching for a kid like this at a position of strength is ridiculous.
He'll definitely be a special teamer...I guess that's why they brought him in.
Give me a break! Will we get a DT at all? lol
Does Denver keep 9 DB's on the 53 man roster?
Champ, Bly, Foxworth, Paymah, Abdullah, Lynch, McCree, Manuel and Jack Williams?
Or even more importantly, would Denver keep 9 DB’s active on the 45 man game day roster? And if not, who is gonna sit for Jack Williams? I don’t think he’ll see the field all year. I think they will see what he can do in practice and he will be good insurance if both Foxworth and Paymah leave after this year
Speaking of missing tackles...
Dre also misses tackles in the madden game, they make it realistic! :)
Oh well, it’s been fun to say the least
I try to be the calm in the storm...
...but this is the first pick I’m stumped on. He ranks very low compared to other CBs in the draft. VERY low.
We have depth at CB, but will have several tough decisions at about the same time in a few years. To tell the truth, I think this is purely a STs coverage move, and not a depth move at all.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
Yeah
Which is what my above comment was attempting to convey. I get wanting to make ST better, but to do it at a position of strength, and this early, is downright baffling.
by A.J. Haefele on Apr 27, 2008 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions
The Bears have had our draft...
Chris Williams, Matt Forte, Earl Bennett, Marcus Harrison and Craig Steltz.
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Forte
would have been good in Denver. He’s a wrecking ball.
by A.J. Haefele on Apr 27, 2008 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, but he went to Chicago, and lately Chicago's not the best place for developing prospects :)
Just ask Rex and Cedric. (Defensively though, you know the Bears are gonna be great … Hester, Harris, etc.)
Forte Could Be Travis Henry
Minus the off-field troubles, injury concerns and miles on the tires.
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Jack may also be a practice squad player.
By the way, if we use him in the box does he become a Jack in the Box?
Sorry. My turn to start drinking.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
Yep at this point might as well
All the DTs will go that we mentioned Denver will be quite lucky to nab one….although Choice and Hart are still there, as is Okam and whoever else, but its only a amatter of time
I don't understand the desire for Hart
He has plenty of it, and he loves the game of football, but I don’t think he’ll excel with us.
by A.J. Haefele on Apr 27, 2008 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions
DT.
Okam and Pressley still out there, but who knows what you get from them.
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Best DTs left on the board (in order)
According to TSN -
1. A. Rubin, Iowa St.
2. L. Guion*, Florida St.
3. L. Dotson, Arizona
4. D. Pressley, NC State
5. B. Booker, Va. Tech
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
Okam isn't on that list?
Did he get picked and nobody realized it???
by A.J. Haefele on Apr 27, 2008 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions
JACK WILLIAMS
campus: 4.32 in the 40-yard dash … 1.46 10-yard dash … 2.51 20-yard dash … 4.13 20-yard shuttle … 6.61 three-cone drill … 41-inch vertical jump … 10’5” broad jump … Bench pressed 225 pounds 18 times … 390-pound bench press … 590-pound squat … 343-pound hang clean … 31 ¾-inch arm length … 9 5/8-inch hands … Ambidextrous … 18/23 Wonderlic score.
HT - Pretty sure you don't have NFL Network
They were saying Jack Williams had a good junior year and then was not as productive in his senior year because of injuries.
And here’s a post about Williams from the Guru’s draft day companion, Big Blue Shoe.
And the point of that post is the fact that
They went into a discussion on the Memphis national championship run in that comment thread as well lol
Prototypical Cover 2
Fantastic! I’m liking it more and more.
/Sarcasm.
by A.J. Haefele on Apr 27, 2008 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm going to take a quick break from updating the thread...
need to eat something. lol I have a newfound respect for what styg did for us yesterday :)
Blech.
I dislike the Williams pick quite a bit. I’m hung up on it, but I’ll move on and start looking for my kicking tandem in the 5th.
All of our
Mock drafts seemed perfect! What is this nonsense?! We have 4 good to great corners! Why do we need this guy? Any chance he could play saftey?
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MattR
Thanks for the read! Great find, and a balanced look at the player. The links within the story are good too.
My problem is that he is a good fit for a zone team (like INDY), but his man-coverage skills just don’t work for me. On STs his ability to go after runners looks solid, and he won’t face a lot of heavier players. I would also like him in zone, where he has SAF support and can go for bigger hits. But in man (which our CBs do) and in a system where we use a SAF in run support, I just can’t see Jack fitting in.
He looks like a potential project (if he can be redirected on a practice squad), and/or an immediate help on STs. Just my opinion.
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Fox or Pay?
Could they be on their way out?
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Negative
Fox and Pay have already been extended. They’re safe.
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Nice picks.
Tamme to Indy and Hawkins to Tennessee
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Well,
...so far I think many of us expected Clady as a strong possibility at 12th. No harm there.
Royal was a surprise in the second, but a second look says he’s a good pick.
Lich was out of left field, though OC seemed like a good move. Folks seemed stunned, but the pick was ok.
The Williams pick seems to have hit the Bronco faithful below the belt. Everyone knows me as a DBs kind of guy, but I have a hard time with this one.
Here’s how I grade our picks so far -
Clady “A”
Royal “B”
Lich “C”
Williams “D”
First day average A-
Second day (so far) average D+
Anyone?
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
I'd say
That the D is very generous. He’s a noted ST ace, and Shanny has made it clear he wants to improve that area of the team. That’s all good and well, but I think he took this one step too far. I loved his Day 1 and his apparent willingness to let the draft come to him, but this seems to revert to his old pattern of “I NEED THIS. SCREW EVERYONE.” It really bothers me.
I really like the pick at center, as yo can see if you scroll up and note I was all over the idea. I just wanted the other one. I’m fine with the kid we have, but I thought Justice was the superior prospect. At this point, it looks like Justice is experiencing his own Greg Eslinger freefall. Too bad. He would have been good in blue and orange.
The Williams pick hurts. I’m real unhappy with it.
by A.J. Haefele on Apr 27, 2008 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions
The Williams pick
has me really bummed out. I cannot figure it out. I’m going through potential scenarios in which Fox and Paymah leave after the season, and then trying to understand how this kid fits in when he is a Cover 2 prototype. Just…what?? I just, it makes very little sense to me.
we shall have to wait and see
I read one scouting report that talks about how he is surprisingly good at bumping WR off the line for someone his size and that he supports the run well. And then I read another that said the exact opposite.
I also saw another profile of Williams
that ends with this:
Underrated prospect who is a lot better than his senior film would indicate…Prototypical nickel or dime back.
(Not sure why I am defending this pick so much. I wanted a DT)
That's also a factor
is what was left on the board when this selection was made. A much bigger area position of need had lots of talent on the board, but we went elsewhere. I see he also had injuries problems, and is 5’9’’. If there was ever a time to want to be that fly on the wall, this is it. I would LOVE to hear the justification for this pick.
by A.J. Haefele on Apr 27, 2008 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions
Williams had 93 tackles, 11 PBUs
3 INTS, 1 FF & 2 FRs in 07. All this with injuries to both ankles and a shoulder injury. Good numbers for any CB, especially one who was injured. He must be tough. Let’s give him a couple of years and remember that Shanny has been doing a great job of drafting and developing CBs the last several years.
Last night I made a list
with 40 names I wanted to keep an eye on. More than half of them are still undrafted, but at this point I will predict that Denver takes none of them.
My list, too.
I have a very intriguing punter, two kickers, a popular RB, and some strong DTs sitting there. And I feel totally confident none will get drafted.
by A.J. Haefele on Apr 27, 2008 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions
Sometime
in the midst of me being hurt over the last pick, our first 5th rounder has snuck up on me. Let’s reload the ole six shooter and go get em again.
None of them
will be taken before the Broncos and all will be taken after the Broncos’ next pick.
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How about adding Wesley Woodyard, UK, SS or WLB
He could take a LB spot from some of our underachievers then move to SS in a year or two.
by Arctic Bronco on Apr 27, 2008 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions
Another thought
is that even though our starters are set, they will take a LB to provide competition as a backup/special teamer.
My actual thought
is they might decide to reach again for a guy like Ben Moffitt, but if it’s a LB, I want Goff.
by A.J. Haefele on Apr 27, 2008 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions
I'll go with the H's
Ali Highsmith, Erin Henderson or Marcus Howard (but I would not complain about Goff)
I'm just not interested in OLB.
Otherwise I’d be right there with you. I didn’t think Highsmith was a 5th rounder. I thought he was a 3rd type talent. What do I know? lol
by A.J. Haefele on Apr 27, 2008 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions
Broncos' reportedly trading their two 5th round picks back to ATL
for Jason Elam. :) Sorry, is it time to draft a kicker yet?
I wish Woody Paige was our coach!
Yes.
This is an appropriate time to draft Brandon Coutu.
by A.J. Haefele on Apr 27, 2008 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions
Vikes get Booty
This should liven things up in Minnesota. they run a ZB WCO, so maybe he is a good fit.
Love this pick.
I think it’s a great move.
by A.J. Haefele on Apr 27, 2008 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions
Especially if he is good at handing off
Just give the ball to AP and watch the show:) Thank heavens Al Davis took Russell instead of AP or Calvin Johnson, what a knucklehead.
by Arctic Bronco on Apr 27, 2008 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions
Vikes take Booty.
There’s a joke about a party boat to be had there.
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