2008 NFL Draft 5th Round Open Thread
by Tim Lynch on Apr 27, 2008 11:45 AM MDT
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PrintHere we go, we have two picks in this round. Who are we taking?
1.(136) Detroit Lions - WR Kenneth Moore, Wake Forest
2.(137) Minnesota Vikings - QB John David Booty, Southern Cal
3.(138) Atlanta Falcons - OLB Robert James, Arizona State
4.(139) Denver Broncos - RB Ryan Torian, Arizona State
5.(140) Kansas City Chiefs - CB Brandon Carr, Grand Valley State
6.(141) Carolina Panthers - TE Gary Barnidge, Louisville
7.(142) Chicago Bears - CB Zackary Bowman, Nebraska
8.(143) Dallas Cowboys - CB Orlando Scandrick, Boise State
9.(144) New Orleans Saints - DT DeMario Pressley, North Carolina State
10.(145) Cincinnati Bengals - DT Jason Shirley, Fresno State
11.(146) Detroit Lions - FB Jerome Felton, Furman
12.(147) Buffalo Bills - OLB Alvin Bowen, Iowa State
13.(148) Denver Broncos - DT Carlton Powell, Virginia Tech
14.(149) Arizona Cardinals - RB Tim Hightower, Richmond
15.(150) Green Bay Packers - OT Breno Giacomini, Louisville
16.(151) Houston Texans - DT Frank Okam, Texas
17.(152) Minnesota Vikings - DT Letroy Guion, Florida State
18.(153) New England Patriots - WR Matt Slater, UCLA
19.(154) Atlanta Falcons - OLB Kroy Biermann, Montana
20.(155) Jacksonville Jaguars - OLB Thomas Williams, Southern Cal
21.(156) Pittsburgh Steelers - QB Dennis Dixon, Oregon
22.(157) St. Louis Rams - OG Roy Schuening, Oregon State
23.(158) Chicago Bears - TE Kellen Davis, Michigan State
24.(159) Jacksonville Jaguars - CB Trae Williams, South Florida
25.(160) Tampa Bay Bucs - QB Josh Johnson, San Diego
26.(161) Indianapolis Colts - OLB Marcus Howard, Georgia
27.(162) New York Jets - QB Erik Ainge, Tennessee
28.(163) Seattle Seahawks - FB Owen Schmitt, West Virginia
29.(164) New Orleans Saints - OT Carl Nicks, Nebraska
30.(165) New York Giants - ILB Jonathan Goff, Vanderbilt
31.(166) San Diego Chargers - RB Marcus Thomas, Texas El-Paso
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DT Please!
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Broncos on the clock . . .
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4th pick this round
coming up quick!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
AZ State
Typical Denver type pick. North/South runner with a one-cut mentality. Has good potential in terms of blitz pickup. Is slower than every LB we have and as injury concerns.
As in, you don’t wanna know who he is.
by A.J. Haefele on Apr 27, 2008 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions
Torain "runs hard between the tackles" PFW
Sounds like another Mike Bell type, which is probably a good thing, but CAN HE STOP THE RUN????
He missed the end of last season, having
surgery in October after a Lisfranc injury.
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I Give Up.
These last two picks have been ridiculous…
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....
First & Second Picks = A
Third Pick = C
Fourth Pick = D
Fifth Pick = F
What is going on with Shanny today? I still am holding out hope for Xavier Omon
From a preason Yahoo article on senior RBs
Ryan Torian, Arizona State – A big, physical runner who gained more than 1,200 yards as a junior after coming from Butler (Kansas) CC. Torian lacks breakaway speed but is able to punish defenders and fight through initial contact in order to gain additional yardage.
And from NFL.com
The former junior college transfer had as great an impact in two seasons as any running back in ASU history. A tough runner who is rarely brought down on first contact, he often hits defenders harder than they hit him. Torain combines speed, strength, agility and soft hands and would likely have been vying for All-American honors as a senior, but was sidetracked at midseason by a fractured toe that required surgery.
Perhaps
this is Shannys way of forcing a firing?
I freely admit to NOT being the smartest guy when it comes to drafting…BUT…
Hasn’t there been a S or ILB out there over these last two picks that could have helped???
relax
I think the Broncos feel with trading for Robertson was filling a need for DT. Plus the upside for Thomas is great, as long as he can stay clean. Nobody really knows what these last picks will do in April. Plus remember before everyone complains about the RB, Mike Anderson was a 4th round pick that came from Utah after the USMC and TD was a 6th.
Get off the late round DT there is rally none that will start or have a major impact this year
by broncfanstuckinsd on Apr 27, 2008 11:57 AM MDT reply actions
Anderson was a 6th
just for the record. Olandis Gary was in the 4th.
by A.J. Haefele on Apr 27, 2008 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions
oh ya thqts right
sometimes its hard to remember all teh running backs coming thru here that keeps getting 1000 yards
by broncfanstuckinsd on Apr 27, 2008 6:39 PM MDT up reply actions
I would be willing to bet good money
on us drafting a TE or something we have absolutely no need for.
"I could never quite get the hang f Thursdays..."
by FlaBroncoFan on Apr 27, 2008 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions
I would have liked TE
had it been Jacob Tamme. The guys I want have no chance of being Broncos…because I want them They’ve never ever ever ever taken the guy I liked.
by A.J. Haefele on Apr 27, 2008 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions
Hmmmm
Projected by TSN as a 7th rounder.
He’s a power runner (which I like for us with our current depth chart), but oddly he’s not a one cut runner. He is listed as having patience (which might allow him to be coached into the role), but he slows too much on turns and doesn’t recover speed.
Also not good at catching. Am reading mixed reviews on different sites about his ability to pass block, ranging from GREAT to INCAPABLE.
All sites agree he is a punisher and an inside runner. Short distance specialist? Perhaps the RB’s position coach sees something he can fix (you CAN develop a patient player into a one cut).
Considering this is the fifth round, he gets a break in my grade. But I’m still not thrilled. “C”
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MattR
My scouting reports say this guys sucks, but it sounds like he was a beast at ASU. Maybe we should all take a deep breath and give this kid a break.
Is everyone reading Matt’s comments? Over 1000 yards, dominating on the run, etc? This ma be a clever sleeper pick after all.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
your optimism
is your downfall.
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by FlaBroncoFan on Apr 27, 2008 12:05 PM MDT up reply actions
"I find your lack of faith disturbing", Darth Vader
Well, I DO think the Williams pick was downright bad. And I only give Lich a “C”.
So far, I’m holding this Torian guy as a “C” until I know more either way. It sounds like his measurable traits suck, but his onfield performance has been solid.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Apr 27, 2008 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions
Thank you for catching that refence
and I suupose your way of looking at it make sense. Some players suck at testing and practice, but play well on the field, and others (Daius Watts) are the opposite.
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by FlaBroncoFan on Apr 27, 2008 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions
I guess Elvis has left the building
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by Steve Nichols on Apr 27, 2008 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions
Imagine if we had
Elvis Dumervil and that Pressley guy both on one D-line… weird.
"I could never quite get the hang f Thursdays..."
by FlaBroncoFan on Apr 27, 2008 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions
She'd love me if she knew me!
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by Steve Nichols on Apr 27, 2008 12:09 PM MDT up reply actions
Why, do you stop your feet on contact?
by Arctic Bronco on Apr 27, 2008 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Uhm, purely in context of course...
...and it IS a Leslie Nielson movie reference (this one from Police Squad), and it IS a taxidermy reference, but it’s the “nice beaver”.
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by Steve Nichols on Apr 27, 2008 12:15 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm not joking...
...and stop calling me Shirley!
By the way, “Have you ever been in a Turkish prison camp?”
lol
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Apr 27, 2008 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions
Or when Scraps jumps on your leg and...
...well, I think that’s about enough of that.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Apr 27, 2008 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions
old movies
and upsettedness.
"I could never quite get the hang f Thursdays..."
by FlaBroncoFan on Apr 27, 2008 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions
one pick too early
"I could never quite get the hang f Thursdays..."
by FlaBroncoFan on Apr 27, 2008 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions
Just
as soon as the Bills make a selection.
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and double Florida
triple when you count Steven Harris
Can’t complain about this pick. Not the DT I wanted, but at this point I will assume Denver knows which one fits their needs best.
usually stong VT
is Atlanta’s way to draft. the only players they take come from the south, and usually from Virginia colleges.
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by FlaBroncoFan on Apr 27, 2008 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Cue the Handel's Messiah music...
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Carlton Powell
Seems to be a good pickup this late.
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I'll pine
for a Jeff Francis win today, thank you very much!
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Errr
it seems as if we’re equally as likely to get what we want =/
by A.J. Haefele on Apr 27, 2008 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions
Especially
when the Broncos have gone out of their way today to bolster the special teams.
by A.J. Haefele on Apr 27, 2008 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions
Powell sounds like a good run stuffer
based on that article, anyway. VT’s D was dominant, and I saw a lot of them living here in Florida.
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Some absolutely useless career notes about Powell from NFL.com
Powell is the only active defensive tackle in the Division 1-A collegiate ranks to have held the opponent to minus yardage rushing during his career (106 plays for losses of 13 yards)...The only time an opponent registered a rushing attempt for more than 10 yards vs. Powell came on a 13-yard gain by Virginia’s Mikell Simpson in 2007…Only four times during his 104 career tackles has the opposition managed to register a first down on that play.
My Grades So Far.
#42 – Eddie Royal, WR/KR, Virginia Tech: B+
#108 – Kory Lichtensteiger, C, Bowling Green: B
#119 – Jack Williams, CB, Kent State: D
#139 – Ryan Torrain, RB, Arizona State: C-
#148 – Carlton Powell, DT, Virginia Tech: B
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sounds about right to me.
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by FlaBroncoFan on Apr 27, 2008 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions
I like it.
Though I would say Lich is a B- because of Justice being on the board. Yes, I am still bummed.
by A.J. Haefele on Apr 27, 2008 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions
agreed
I really wanted TommyNalen2
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by FlaBroncoFan on Apr 27, 2008 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions
Justice.
Would have been a B+, but Lich is real close.
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Is justice still on the board?
I know we don’t need to draft him now, but is he?
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by FlaBroncoFan on Apr 27, 2008 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions
Lich . . .
Reminds me of this:
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What the hell...
...is that?
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Lich,
a boss enemy from Final Fantasy I.
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He's actually
a boss in a lot of games. Guild Wars being my prime example.
by A.J. Haefele on Apr 27, 2008 12:28 PM MDT up reply actions
You make me want to play Castlevania.
I love the Medusa fight.
by A.J. Haefele on Apr 27, 2008 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions
DAMN YOU, HOUSTON!!
Okam is a Bronco… just a version 2 Bronco… from Houston.
"I could never quite get the hang f Thursdays..."
Texans
take Okam. Good pick.
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My grades
Clady, A
Royal, B
Lich, C
Williams, D
Torain, C
Powell, C+/B-
Overall, around a C+
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The only guy we disgree on by more than a third of a grade is Lickthattiger, so we’re pretty close. I wonder what you’d give Justice at that spot, because I really do think they’re quite similar players.
My Overall Grade: B-/C+ (I weight the top rounds more heavily)
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Justice would have been a straight "B"
...taking into account the round, value, ability, etc.
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by Steve Nichols on Apr 27, 2008 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions
ewwwww
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by Steve Nichols on Apr 27, 2008 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions
did the Patriots
draft anyone? I didn’t see a name on the screen, what just happened?
"I could never quite get the hang f Thursdays..."
Matthew Slater, WR, UCLA
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Son of
NFL great Jackie Slater.
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nevermind
I see they got what they needed… a wide reciever.
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by FlaBroncoFan on Apr 27, 2008 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions
HEY!
It’s a long shot, but Rubin is still left. He’s rated #1 against the run (that’s higher than Dorsey folks). He’s the steal Styg was talking about some weeks ago.
In my book, all would be forgiven if we grabbed him.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
what can we trade to move into the next pick for this guy?
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by FlaBroncoFan on Apr 27, 2008 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions
At this point...
...as bad as I want a DT to ensure the ability of the entire defense, I would give up our 6th and both 7ths. Our other positions of need are pretty much taken care of.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Apr 27, 2008 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions
is it worth
possibly missing out on the best P and K?
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by FlaBroncoFan on Apr 27, 2008 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Falcons get Bierman @ DE from the Big Sky
Now is when the small school prospects get some attention and the proficiency of scouting staffs will be determined.
What the #@!!@#$??
I sleep in, wake up, go straight to MHR, and find we drafted a corner/special teams and a RB?? What the heck?
you jinxed us
good job. clearly Shanahan did this to punish those of us who slept in.
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by FlaBroncoFan on Apr 27, 2008 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Steelers
take Dennis Dixon. Maybe he should give baseball a little more thought.
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It was his first
time playing baseball since high school. Can’t write him off yet.
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they could try
him in another position. He’s s peedy mother f**ker.
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by FlaBroncoFan on Apr 27, 2008 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions
speaking of baseball
I really want to punch Nate McLouth and his 3 HR the past game and a half. He is gonna cost me a game in my two week, head to head fantasy league.
I needed a good game from Beckett
Which it looks like I am getting. Although he still needs to get the win.
But McLouth’s outburst means I need someone on my team to match him this afternoon or I have no shot. Sadly, I hae the non-Pacman Adam Jones in my lineup this week. (It’ll be Curtis Granderson next week)
Curtis is killing it
Didn’t Adam have a good game earlier in the week? Possibly I dreamed it with all this Adam Jones news flying around.
Nah, he's young
and the O’s (who are my team) suck right now but have some young talent. When he is hitting #3 in that lineup in two years he will be a stud (and I am in a keeper league)
Titans on the clock, hope they get a WR
Their priority needs to be on someone who can catch errant passes – or – block downfield when VY takes off on his all too common runs.
They Did.
Lavelle hawkins, WR, Cal a while back.
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Regardless, they need more WRs.
VY needs all the help they can get him.
by Arctic Bronco on Apr 27, 2008 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions
they need
guys like Hines Ward, who can block like the best TEs. Or, maybe they need a traditional QB… I really don’t like these speedy, strong arm, no accuracy, wierd-throwing QBs.
"I could never quite get the hang f Thursdays..."
by FlaBroncoFan on Apr 27, 2008 12:45 PM MDT up reply actions
I am a purist for throwing motions, I am revulsed by side armers
Colt Brennan’s throwing motion makes me sick. Pure street ball.
by Arctic Bronco on Apr 27, 2008 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions
Some talking head just defended the Talib 1st round pick
Said he had 13 picks in his career. So did our J Williams, course that was in 4 seasons vs. 3.
J Williams also had 5 Forced Fumbles in 06.
That is a higher one year total than any other CB listed in the PFW draft guide had in the last 4 years. Very interesting.
by Arctic Bronco on Apr 27, 2008 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions
Hope he can
force some from Darren Sproles and whoever the Chiefs and Raiders use for KRs this season…
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by FlaBroncoFan on Apr 27, 2008 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions
Maybe it's just me
but I thought Talib’s value was too inflated by his last season. I watched him play the year before this one, and he wasn’t nearly as good.
Jordy Nelson schooled him
Talib better hope Tampa doesn’t play GB soon.
by Arctic Bronco on Apr 27, 2008 12:50 PM MDT up reply actions
Agreed
as much as I dislike ESPN, Todd McShay was saying Talib is overrated. He got beat too many times by Jordy Nelson.
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by FlaBroncoFan on Apr 27, 2008 12:50 PM MDT up reply actions
On Powell:
Compares To: DEWAYNE ROBERTSON-New York Jets…Both of these players rely on suddenness and brute strength to gain advantage. Powell is a dominant run stuffer who does a fine job of handling double-team blocks. He needs to improve his lateral range to be more effective when chasing down plays and must use his hands better to protect himself from low blocks. But when he locks on to a blocker, he will quickly shed. Where he excels is clogging the rush lanes, as when he keeps his pads down, lead blockers are soon to be pushed back through the hole. For a team using the “under tackle” position, Powell is the perfect fit.
We must think Robertson is a perfect fit in our system…
It'd be great to get Roberston, too
so we could just shut down the run whenever we wanted.
Oh, wait…
Here’s lookin at you, LT!
by A.J. Haefele on Apr 27, 2008 12:53 PM MDT up reply actions
So, who's playing for us at guard next year again?
Shanny’s building up the tackle position, but what are doing at guard again if Kuper’s moving outside now? We do have to stop guys like Dorsey still at DT.
Lichtenwho is also eligible to play both Guard positions
His versatility is a big plus.
by Arctic Bronco on Apr 27, 2008 12:55 PM MDT up reply actions
My quick depth chart
LT – Clady
LG – Holland
C – Nalen
RG – Hamilton
RT – Pears
R Harris as the backup tackle who fights for RT time.
C Kuper is the backup guard
C Wiegmann is the backup center.
Uhhh....
Josh Johnson, QB from San Diego just got drafted by TB. ESPN then informed me that via it’s bottomline that he has allowed 8.5 sacks the last two years, had 50 straight starts, and was a 2007 1st Team All Pac-10.
What???
lmao
apparently he’s now an o-lineman… from the Pac-10
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by FlaBroncoFan on Apr 27, 2008 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions
I knew he was an athlete
but he can play in two conferences at once and can give up sacks on himself because he missed his blocking assignment. That’s amazing!
by A.J. Haefele on Apr 27, 2008 1:00 PM MDT up reply actions
Your
New York Jets starting quarterback at some point in 2008: Erik Ainge!
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YES
Erik Ainge, I guy I REALLY like, is going to the Jets. They need a QB, and I REALLY hope he’s good for them.
"I could never quite get the hang f Thursdays..."
and another I love!
Owen Schmidt of WVU is now a Seahawk. I perfer not to draft FBs, but that guy could play any position including punter.
"I could never quite get the hang f Thursdays..."
Not as well
as my guy Drago. Omnomnomnom.
by A.J. Haefele on Apr 27, 2008 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions
I am all for taking another ND guy
Denver has to lead the league in players who played college in North Dakota.
Hey. Nate McLouth grounded out
And yeah, I liked Schmitt too. He was one of my 40 players, which still has 18 names remaining (5 are K or P)
Care to share?
The list?
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We just can't
get enough of this stuff, can we?
by A.J. Haefele on Apr 27, 2008 1:06 PM MDT up reply actions
Aw I should've came up with a player list myself
lol please share your list then your guys will be sure not to be selected by denver! :)
Another One
We let go…
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I feel I need to ask
though this may not make much sense if it doesn’t apply…
/b/?
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by FlaBroncoFan on Apr 27, 2008 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions
oh lawdy.
"I could never quite get the hang of Thursdays..."
by FlaBroncoFan on Apr 27, 2008 1:12 PM MDT up reply actions
"omnomnomnom"
and “brace for epic”
"I could never quite get the hang of Thursdays..."
by FlaBroncoFan on Apr 27, 2008 1:13 PM MDT up reply actions
hahaha
I say omnomnom a lot when I want something. I didn’t think I’d ever run into someone of that ilk here, so I didn’t think it was a big deal. What about you?
by A.J. Haefele on Apr 27, 2008 1:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh never would've
thought I’d meet one at MHR. Of all the places…
"I could never quite get the hang of Thursdays..."
by FlaBroncoFan on Apr 27, 2008 1:15 PM MDT up reply actions
heh. i feel like I am reading Spanish
I have a vague idea of what’s going on, but don’t know the details.
here are some
Punters were Durant Brooks and Drago
Kickers are Taylor Mehlaff, Alex Serna and Art Carmody (although I am not completely sold on Carmody and could go Coutu or Ito)
Mike Hart at RB, Peyton Hillis at FB, Erin Henderson or Ali Highsmith at LB
A Rubin and Nick Hayden at DT, Cameron Colvin at WR
Safeties – Jamar Adams, Caleb Campbell, Simeon Castillo, Corey Lynch, Marcus Griffin
no Hussain Abdullah?
"I could never quite get the hang f Thursdays..."
by FlaBroncoFan on Apr 27, 2008 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions
What did I miss?
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
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