2008 Re-Draft.
Yeah, it's way too early to judge this draft. Then again, it's actually too early to judge the draft netted us Jay Cutler, Brandon Marshall, Tony Scheffler, etc. This is mostly an excersize in fun or a form of venting, but it's something that I feel like doing and I hope you forgive me for endulging myself. And so, without further ado, here's how I wish it would have gone down knowing all that we know now.
#12 - Ryan Clady, OT, Boise State: Yeah, I was on the Chris Williams bandwagon for a long while, but I get this pick. Since the braintrust felt comfortable investing this much in him, I assume they believe he should be able to compete for the starting LT spot from Game 1. He has a high ceiling and we needed an LT. I wish we could have traded up for Sed Ellis or even Glenn Dorsey, but who knows if that was ever possible. An RB would have made a bigger splash, but I believe in our current stabble. This is a fine pick, in my book.
#42 - Dexter Jackson, KR/WR, Appalachian State: If we valued a return man this highly, I wish we would have taken a shot at the guy I believe will be the best one out of this draft. I like his chances to become a viable slot receiver as much as Royal's and I believe his ceiling there is even higher. I don't mind the Royal pick, I just would have gone in a different direction myself.
#108 - Dre Moore, DT, Maryland: There are serious questions about this kid and his motor, but his talent is undeniable. We took a shot drafting Marcus Thomas and trading for Dewayne Robertson (not to mention all the other guys that have come and gone at the position) so why not go all in and gamble on a guy like this at this time? Beats me.
#119 - Red Bryant, DT, Texas A&M: Here's another guy we thought about as a possibility in the second round at some point, so getting him here would have been exceptional value. He's a run-stuffer extraordiare and we could have used someone like him. The fact that we didn't get anyone like that is a tough pill to swallow, especially when we passed on him for a guy who will likely be nothing more than a special teamer. I don't mean to demean that contribution, but we had bigger fish to fry and plenty of latter picks with which to address that need. He would have been a nice compliment to the rest of our DT at this point.
#139 - Johnathan Goff, ILB, Vanderbilt: This has nothing to do with a Vandy connection or anything of that sort; this has everything to do with value and appropriate roster building. I have faith in Niko, but we'd be foolish to put all of our eggs in one basket. The braintrust saw a need for depth here, but waited to long and got someone with no real chance of pushing K2.
#148 - Durant Brooks, P, Georgia Tech: The only negative thing I've ever read about him as a punter is that he can put too much on kicks from time to time. Great power for both distance and hangtime plus good placement equals a solid NFL punter. It would have been nice to sure this position up for a long time to come.
#183 - Steve Justice, C, Wake Forrest: I'll give you that our braintrust wanted Lichtensteiger more and that he may well be the better prospect, but getting him here is at least equal value and would have allowed us to address more pressing needs earlier on. He's a very good center in his own right and I think we were all comfortable with him much higher than this.
#220 - Josh Barrett, S, Arizona State: I have a soft spot for toolsy guys (I apologize for the baseball term) and this guy has awesome triangle numbers for a 7th round pick. At worst he's good, young depth and has starter upside. He's a solid special teamer in the meantime, I think
#227 - Brandon Coutu, K, Georgia: It'd be nice to wait and snag a guy like this as a CFA, but he didn't make it out of the draft. He has a strong leg and is a good field goal kicker. He's reasonably clutch, too. Basically, he's an NFL caliber kicker who could be trying 60 yarders in Denver. He would have been a good heir to Jason Elam.
CFA to target: Eric Young (OG, Tennessee), Ezra Butler (OLB, Nevada), Jamar Adams (S, Michigan), Erin Henderson (LB, Maryland), Ali Highsmith (OLB, LSU), Wesley Woodyard (S/OLB, Kentucky), Marcus Griffin (S, Texas), J Leman (ILB, Illinois) and Mike Dragosavich (P, North Dakota State). We should also check in on Tommy Blake (DE, TCU) and Ben Moffitt (ILB, USF) to see if they got their heads on straight now, because they're plenty talented.
Hindsight is 20/20, but I think my draft would have jived better with our needs and gotten the most value possible. In all honesty, I think our actual draft was acceptable because of the strength of the rest of our reloading season. It'll be years before we can accurately judge what went on this weekend, but I'll take the risk of jumping the gun now. I feel better because of it, maybe you should try it, too!
This is a Fan-Created Comment on MileHighReport.com. The opinion here is not necessarily shared by the editorial staff of MHR
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lol it is fun, but thanks for acknowledging that we don't know yet
Besides, it seemed like this was a major special teams draft with some good picks
by phantom818 on Apr 27, 2008 8:16 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
I’m big on pumping up special teams, which I affectionally call The Forgotten Third, so that was cool. Still, I think we may have been better served looking at our other needs. I’ll feel better about some other picks as I learn more about them and what Shanny was thinking when he took them.
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by ejruiz on Apr 27, 2008 8:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also bear in mind...
...a lot of other teams passed on the guys we wanted too. It wasn’t just Shanahan. A lot of the guys you and I wanted kept falling. Perhaps the experts knew something about some of these players that we didn’t.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Apr 27, 2008 8:33 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Tell that
to the kid who said the EXACT same thing when he was interviewed on television after the Ken O’Brien pick by the Jets over Marino. Proof that even “the experts” don’t always get it right.
by phantom818 on Apr 27, 2008 8:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
They don't...
...but if we got it right more than them we would be the experts and making that money. As I try to point out in my latest post, even I (with several years of coaching experience, including some championships and pro level seminars) have NO CLUE what the experts get to see day in and day out. Even the media and the games that we see don’t show us all of the inside info the professional managment guys have access to.
I imagine anyone of us would be humbled at the insane amount of data, research, study, and time these guys invest. Do they always get it right? No. But I can promise that none of us (and I very much include myself here, as well as the kid from the Marino incident) could run a college team, let alone a pro team without running it into the ground from day one. From what little I’ve had the privledge to glimpse, it goes profoundly beyond what any of us imagine.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Apr 27, 2008 8:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot to add...
...that they compete against 31 other expert organizations for the same pool of players. I have a lot of respect for the experts, even when I disagree.
I may disagree with my doctor, but I’ll never come close to his knowledge. Same with my lawyer, accountant, and even my child’s teacher (I taught 6th grade, and a little high school and college; never kindergarden). I have my disagreements (as do you) with the experts, but I try to remember that I’ll never have all of the facts that they have. I’d look like a fool making my case to Mike, especially after he pulls out stacks of folders that look like novels full of data on the players I claim to have an opinion on. I guess I may disagree with some team decisions, but I don’t disagree with the team (if that makes sense).
I’m not saying to “NOT” have an opinion though. All I’m saying is that I have a lot of respect for the team managment, even when I don’t like some of the things they do. I trust them to know more than me. But like you, I try to tell them what I think! : )
I think I am defensive of coaches and managers because I’ve been in their shoes (at a much lower level). I know what it’s like to have people question decisions and they have no idea what I’m dealing with. One year we yanked a starting player and replaced him with a “lesser” player for the following few weeks. The local media went ape. They thought it was because the kid had a fumble in a key moment in a game, and the local radio and paper ripped into us. Everywhere in town I went I was greeted by angry folks. But we weren’t allowed to share the fact the kid was pulled for nothing to do with his on field behavior. His father even knew why we had to sit him, but he was the most vocal loud mouth in town complaining (he was interviewed a lot). The kid was pulled because of an injury he had gotten from his abusive father, and the school administration told the athletic staff that we weren’t to discuss it because there was a local investigation going on. You can’t imagine how much I wanted to scream at the people that thought we were sitting a kid that looked healthy (we couldn’t even tell people he had an injury).
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Apr 27, 2008 9:25 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Well I consider you more of an expert than me
...then again who is truly “an expert” anyway? :)
by phantom818 on Apr 27, 2008 9:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the sake of argument
I would classify as “an expert” any of the scouts or personnel who actually work for the 32 NFL teams.
And I would classify Kiper as an “expert” as well, even though I think his ego interferes with his work a lot of the time.
But most of all, I would say the experts that matter are the ones who report fact rather than speculation, and who are aware of what they don’t know.
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 27, 2008 9:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yay for those without egos!
They do deserve the title. Those that ACTUALLY do the work and research are the true experts. We just research the research :)
by phantom818 on Apr 27, 2008 9:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The funny thing is...
...I accept “expert” when it comes to some aspect of high school football, but even then I have to be careful. I always learned that the more I learned the more I realized there was to know. I was a bit more experienced than our offensive coord (who was with us most of the years I coached), but my head coach knew 20x what I knew.
Whenever I disagree with someone who is at the pro level I try to remember that I’m really nowhere close to what they know. And frankly, you’re as much of an expert on pro football as I am. While I have soom good “roots”, both of us are so far from the pros that any difference between us in football knowledge is minute on the scale. We’re all equal here!
(In fact, there’s a lot about the pro game I know very little about. Guys like MattR know a lot about the salary cap rules, but anyone knows more than me. Same with player evaluations. Styg might consult with me on a position question or a question on evalutation a player for a certain system, but he does a much better job than I ever could with looking at a players history and putting together an awesome series on someone. His Lynch series is for the MHR Hall of Fame).
I have a facination with defensive systems, schemes, and styles and try to match them against systems run by offenses during the season. That’s my “area” that I’m confident in. Somtimes it spills into the pros (like not liking Williams for a man coverage system), but sometimes it doesn’t (there are readers who know more about Williams than I do, and my information may not be accurate because of it).
So who’s an expert? I agree with Styg below. The guys that actually do the work. But we are all expert pundits, and MHR gives us a place to do just that! And I agree with you too. I love the line “We research the research”. Good answer!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Apr 27, 2008 10:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is an excellent point HT
The pro scouts working for the teams have access to persoanl interviews and drug tests that the average fan will NEVER know about, since there are serious rules regarding diclosure in those cases.
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 27, 2008 9:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Imperfect Information.
Fans and scouts have a lot in common: we do what we can with limited information. None of us can see the future and, while they may have more pieces to the puzzle and the training required to put it together, they certainly aren’t infallible. Though it may seem implied that I believe they were wrong and I am right, I am simply pointing out that I would have done things differently. We all endulge in armchair GM duties from time to time and this is just my go around. We won’t be able to judge this haul for a while and, now that they’re Broncos, they’ll have my support.
Now that I’ve published this, we can compare Eddie Royal to Dexter Jackson, Kory Lichtensteiger to Steve Justice, Carlton Powell and whomever our 4th DT is to Dre Moore and Red Bryant, Spencer Larson to Johnathan Goff, our eventual K and P to Brandon Cuotu and Durant Brooks… if my guys turn out better despite the limits of my research, then I’ll take credit for extraordinary ability better described as luck; if their guys turn out better, then it’s just as it should have been due to their advantages. It’s a win-win for me!
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by ejruiz on Apr 28, 2008 9:57 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even so
It’s easy to compare who worked out where, but then you have to factor in why. For example, it’s hard to compare a DT from one team to one in another team because of the people surrounding them and different schedules. I’d rather look at the guys we have and just ask the simple, “Did they play for us, and how well”.
We also would have to compare roles. Royal may play primarily as a returner, and later as a slot guy. Jackson may not. They’ll also have two seperate QB’s of differing talents, will be supported by WRs of differening talents, and play against different defenses.
I think we should judge these guys on their own merits, and not compare them. As fans, we’re only now starting to judge a QB on his own merits instead of comparing one to Elway. That’s just what I think.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Apr 28, 2008 2:31 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely Fair.
I was mostly joking about that. As I indicated in my original post, this excersize was for fun and to vent. You can’t judge drafts until 3-5 years later and you can’t simply compare players anyway. If our guys do well for us, I won’t mind drafting them. If they do poorly for us, I won’t mind drafting them. Hindsight is 20/20 and our team took the guys they thought were best throughout this draft. I am but a fan and my team has capable people running the show.
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by ejruiz on Apr 28, 2008 4:47 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not neccassarily right on this way of viewing things either.
It’s just the way I’m going about it. Others can (and will) differ. I have a bias in favor of the coaches and management because I’ve seen things from that side of the fence. Just like fans are to quick to blame the coaches, I may be too quick to come to their defense. The only difference in my favor is that there aren’t many folks that have my bias, so it’s rare that people stick up for the team’s staff.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Apr 28, 2008 5:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
All I can Say
is thank you to all of you guys, Styg, hoosierteacher, Zappa,MattR,phantom, ejruiz and all of he others that make the MHR what it is. After being out of touch for two days I was overwhelmed at the ethos, pathos, and humor of this site. If I would have drank half of Zappa’s beer I would have peed my pants laughing at some of those threads. You guys are HILARIOUS!!! My fellow Alaskan AK Bronco summed this draft up best. They are ours now, lets pull for them.
I think we are in for a real ride this year!!
Nothing is at last sacred but the integrity of our own mind. - Emerson
by firstfan on Apr 27, 2008 10:44 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Ben Moffitt
I absolutely LOVE this guy. After the season USF had, I got to see a lot of them down here. I think this guy was overlooked because he’s a little slow and Mike Jenkins already owned most of the defense’s spotlight. I watched a game last season where I believe he had 4 interceptions. FOUR. As a Mike LB! Moffitt has a wife and two kids that he needs to support… help him out, Shanny! He is one player we really should pick up in FA, he could be the next Antonio Pierce or Jerome Harrison (without the animal neglect/spousal abuse records), as in he could be a great undrafted LB.
"I could never quite get the hang of Thursdays..."
by FlaBroncoFan on Apr 27, 2008 10:52 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

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