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Projecting the Starters Part One: Offense

This is the first of a two to three part series featuring extremely early projections for next season’s starting line-up.  Take into account that we’ve yet to see how these players perform in camp and have no idea if or when injuries will take place.  Have some fun with it…

 

It’s never too early to get excited for the NFL regular season.  With the draft completed and mini camps only days away, now is as good a time as any to start the gears turning.  Let’s start thinking about who’s going to start next season.  Where will the new rookies fit in?  What about the free agents we delayed talking about during the draft?

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Quarterback:

No position on this team is more secure than at quarterback.  Jay Cutler certainly doesn’t have to worry about Patrick Ramsey breathing down his neck.  An 88.2 QB rating and a 1.5 TD:INT ratio over two seasons should keep the twenty-four year old Cutler behind center.  In fact, Ramsey has his own problems.  Just ask Shaun Rogers and the Detroit Lions if the former Tulane quarterback is starter material.  Ramsey better pray that Cutler is still healthy when Denver heads to the Dawg Pound to face the Browns…and Shaun Rogers.

Running Back:

Travis Henry’s still "the big name back" on the roster, and he could get the starting nod.  However, as Broncos fans, we know that a "starting job" in Denver doesn’t mean all that much, at least in recent history.  We’ll be sure to see that rotation of backs which has become a favorite of Denver’s.  Travis Henry messed up.  However, when he passed a lie detector test last December, he won back some good faith with the coach.  He’s the pounding kind of back.  Still, Henry logged just four TDs in 2007.  I personally want a guy with more speed than Henry, but if the rotation works, don’t bother toying with it.  Whatever works is just fine, but I’d like to see another franchise back again like the 1,500 yard rusher Portis was for two seasons.

Denver just doesn’t see Selvin Young as that workhorse back, and how could they with the durability issues the Texas running back has brought up of late.  There’s nothing that’s solid or set in stone about the running back position.  Denver good just as easily find another Andre Hall to bring in and plug into the system.  I think they have to eventually look long term with a particular running back (maybe even in next year’s draft).  If the Broncos are going to play the rotation card, they better do it right.  We saw the advantages of rotations when Henry and Young went down last season, but like the Cardinals QB rotation, it’s hard to build confidence when you’re constantly getting a breather on the sidelines.  I’m not a huge fan of Henry as the number one, and although he could still do big things, I think Denver needs to start formulating a plan for a different back.  Of course, the DENVER BRONCOS do not need to worry too much about running back right now, but with the face of this offensive line constantly changing, it wouldn’t hurt to find a dependable guy to make the young line look good.

The receiver turned full-back that plays like a running back should do fine back in the fullback position.  If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it…right?  I say Cecil Sapp starts next season, and I’m not jumping out on a limb when I say that either.  However, I like Hillis (a seventh round "steal") more and more each day, and he may get some licks due to his pass catching ability.  Denver likes to interchange RBs with FBs (just look at Mike Anderson, Rueben Droughns, and now Mike Bell doing the opposite thing).

Wide Receiver:

Neither D-Jack nor Marshall (18 receivers ran faster than his 4.5 back at the 2006 combine) necessarily have the speed of the "prototypical" deep threat, but Marshall has to be number one due to his size and ability to win balls.  Even Seahawk fans admit that Jackson was shoved into the number one spot, when he really didn’t have the deep speed to do justice to the position.  However, Jackson averaged 920.7 yards per season and caught 47 total touchdowns in seven seasons with the Seattle Seahawks.  It turns out Seattle has a pretty solid quarterback: Matt Hasslebeck.  Jackson moves from the QB uncertainty of San Fran a year ago back to a solid, developing quarterback.  He’ll be a reliable target, and is unquestionably a two at the least next season.

Now that the starters are out of the way, it’s time to get to the competition.  While newcomer Eddie Royal could eventually work his way up the depth chart, he’s got a lot of receivers ahead of him to dispose of first.

Keary Colbert was inactive for most of 2006 and he had a mediocre season in 2007, ending on the Injured Reserve list.  The guy has struggled ever since his 47 catch, 754 yard, and five-touchdown rookie season.  Colbert only caught 25 balls for 282 yards and two TDs the following year.  Colbert will get the chance to play the slot early on, but he’ll have to show he can overcome an injury prone last two years.  Will he resurrect his young career in Denver?  Who knows?

Samie Parker starred in track at the University of Oregon and also caught some bombs from Joey Harrington while in college.  The twenty-seven-year-old will be yet another contestant for a return job.  Personally, I’d give the edge between Colbert and Parker to Samie.  Both will benefit from increased QB play, but Parker hasn’t been injured as much as Colbert.  I’ve seen Keary make plays off of slant routes in the past, but that’s just it: it’s been the past.  A small guy at 5-11, Parker could beat out a guy who’s struggled to find the end zone the past two seasons.

Finally, I’d be remiss if I didn’t mention the veteran here.  Brandon Stokely won’t play every down in the slot, but he darn well deserves consideration to do so.  We all know what he did in the slot with Indianapolis, and with Javon Walker gone, B-Stoke turned in 635 yards receiving and five TDs (I’d say that performance at second receiver is worth a slot job in 2008). The guy’s thirty-one, but he’s still as solid veteran.  I think the top three spots are set as of now, but what we’ll really find out this off-season is who’s next.  The young wide receivers brought in look to compete for the future.  Parker, Colbert, and Royal all had lots of talent in college.  It’s too early to judge Royal yet, but he could end up surprising everyone.

Tight End:

Six-year vet Daniel Graham is coming up on thirty years of age, Graham made a key catch on the game-winning drive against Pittsburgh last season.  Graham had 24 receptions for 246 yards and 2 TDs, with 12 of those receptions going for first downs.  Tony Scheffler is Daniel’s young "heir apparent" and he has really developed a good relationship with Cutler over the past few seasons.  His 49 receptions for 549 yards and 5 TDs led all Denver tight ends.  Let’s face it: if it’s not already here, the day is coming when Scheffler is going to be the go-to-guy at the TE position.

What’s this?  Denver’s looking at character issues this off-season?  Daniel Graham may have had a little run-in with the ex in early January.  I’d like to see Scheff in there myself, but it might not be his time yet. I think Denver goes with the veteran in the end.  Scheffler can really take advantage of any possible two tight end sets, and the Broncos can take the Madden video game approach here (putting the more explosive of players second on the depth chart).  Besides, Graham has proved his worth as a blocker in the past, and Shanahan and company liked him (Shanny said of Graham last season: "Even though he only had one catch, you talk about a guy that is very impressive)." 

Graham gives them the ability to run, but Scheffler’s still a weapon, and is developing at just the right pace.  While Scheff is clearly the future of the Broncos, Graham is the now as a blocker.  Graham’s ankle sprain kept him out at the end of last season, and Scheff looked to prove himself and fill the void.  It’ll certainly be one of the battles to watch, but with the way the Broncos used Scheffler and Mustard at the end of last season, you’ve got to think both TEs here will see decent time.

Tackle:

I’m not so sure Clady and his long arms are a "lock" at left tackle.  The Broncos clearly liked him enough to nab him up and insert him at the LT position, for now.  Who’s to say that pre-season competition won’t displace the rookie from his early throne? 

The move of Kuper outside to tackle threw some people for a loop.  Wouldn’t it make sense to play him at guard?  Chris has played tackle in the past in college, and thankfully he has a good attitude about the proposed move. "If the competition is outside, that is where I want to be, whatever gives me the best chance to start and right now with two true tackles, if that is the opportunity, I am going to work towards that."  Let’s just say this now: Kuper’s going to start somewhere on this offensive line next season.

What would I do?  I’d make the "obvious" choice and keep Kuper at his natural guard position, giving Denver much more depth at guard.  I honestly thought Denver would go guard in the draft after hearing Shanahan’s intent to move Kuper outside.  However, it’s still very early, and the coach’s word is all we have to go on.  This is a classic case of "what do we believe" as Broncos fans?  I think Clady has a real chance to start, and if coach doesn’t change his mind, Kuper may just have to play right tackle, even though he had played left previously and in college.  I also like Eric Pears, who I would have starting at RT if Shanahan didn’t thoroughly confuse me with his line comments this off-season.

Ryan Harris performed well in practices, but still hasn’t started yet.  He’s a guy that could continue to compete, but he doesn’t blow me away at this point (although I’m sure he would if we met in real life).  Thus, I’m relegating him to a back-up role at tackle.

Guard:

With a lack of guard depth (if Kuper does end up at tackle), the projected starters at guard here couldn’t be more obvious.  Hopefully Hamilton can avoid a concussion, and I’ll live with Holland.  There’s no depth at guard with these projected starters, but would Shanahan risk moving Kuper back to guard and bringing in Pears if one of the guards were to go down?  It’d certainly be tough on Kuper, that’s for sure.  However, aside from also taking the coach’s word that Kuper will play tackle (at least at this point), I realized that some of the new guys have experience at guard as well. Wiegmann and Lichtensteiger have played guard, so why not count them as depth at the guard position as well?  The versatility on this Denver line could give the Broncos more guard depth than originally believed (even with Kuper on the outside).  When you take this into account, it looks like Holland or Hamilton could get bumped, but this early in the year, I’m willing to go with those who had experience playing in Denver before.

The fate of Kuper clearly determines the fate of the offensive line.  Why would Shanahan mention moving Chris outside when he and his staff already had his eyes on some tackles in the draft?  This tells me he sees something, and I’ll trust the coach, because he knows a lot more about football than me.  Still, that doesn’t mean Shanny can’t change his mind between now and next August/September.  I’m trying to decipher what will happen and not what I think should happen.  It’s hard and it certainly is a mystery.

Center:

I’ll fittingly close by giving some props to Tom Nalen.  The fourteen year player and five time Pro Bowler.  He’ll be back from his bicep tear he suffered last season, and muster all his available strength for one last hurrah.  Nalen’s a hard-nosed fighter at guard, and it’ll be a shame to see one of the last remnants of the famous Broncos line of recent history finally dislodged.  Nalen’s 36 and on his way out, but not yet my friends, not yet.

Finally...

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If Shanahan goes with Kuper at tackle, I think Wiegmann could serve as a back-up guard as well (if not a starter).  It all depends on what happens with Kuper.  Hillis could eventually work ahead of Mike Bell (where has he gone to?) on the FB depth chart as well.  Just to clear things up, I have Stokely rated ahead of Parker on the depth chart, the way I did it is the way a lot of visual depth charts "rank" players...it's kind of confusing at times.

 

Those are my thoughts.  It’s still very early, but I wanted to have some fun with projections.  There are still a lot of unknowns.  Unforeseen injuries could certainly put a damper on these selections.  The most intriguing positions on offense are the ones that do the majority of the blocking.  Feel free to agree with any of these points and certainly to disagree and offer criticism.  I don’t profess to know all that much about the team, but I’ll try my best to give you my opinions. 

 

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Ok. Solid write-up, but I take issue with two points:

First is that I don’t really put too much stock into “40 times”. We all know that if a player has game speed then it isn’t going to show on 40 times. BMarsh has game speed. He was elusive and a down the field threat in most games. I can’t remember how many games BMarsh got behind the deep man…Cutler even under threw a few balls that he had to wait for and missed out on a long TD reception.(Chicago I believe…Houston too if memory serves me correctly). So your assertion that he just isn’t a deep threat is somewhat hard to swallow after seeing him beat guys deep time and time again. The guy has game speed that belies his so-called 40 times. Plus, no one on the field has the agility that he has…BMarsh is #1 because he is a complete package. He just needs to mature a little more. I bet Jackson will start, but I see Royal getting more and more playing time as the season progresses. Everyone looks at his size and disregards him as a WR threat. Mark my words, Royal will become a dominate deep threat. He is a guy who plays like he doesn’t know he isn’t tall enough to be a WR.

The only other issue I got is with TE. I love Sheffler and I think he has a lot of talent, but Graham is one of the most dominating run blockers at the TE position in the NFL. Until Sheffler can block effectively, Graham will be on this team no matter what age he is. ;)

Other than that, I think I gave you 8 guys correct. I gave Ryan Harris the starting job this year at RT(probably a year early, but I’m a risk taker), I also don’t see Sapp being our starting FB all season…Hillis will be the starter before the 2008 season comes to an end. And I also think that Holland will not be starting at RG. Awesome post man, got a recommendation from me. :)

by Zappa on Apr 29, 2008 1:15 PM MDT   0 recs

Hey, Zap, thanks

It was really hard for me to break this down, because I too love Scheff. Also, as far as B-Marsh goes, there’s no doubt he deserves the number one, and I’ve seen him beat as many guys as you on the deep ball. I did say he wasn’t yet the “prototypical number one.” He started off as a two behind Walker and is still maturing into the one that he needs to be. When I said that, I meant he doesn’t yet match up with the speedsters like Steve Smith or Lee Evans. I know 40s don’t mean much, but a lot of the guys on that forty list can get down the field faster than him. Marshall has speed, no doubt, but its his body that really helps him haul in the deep catches. You make a great point, and you’re probably right, but I was reading what a lot of people had to say and it seems Marshall’s close, but he’s just not “there yet.” Know what I mean? I love the guy at WR and think he’ll be very productive, but I wanted to be honest when I said he’s not among the top few elite guys yet.

by phantom818 on Apr 29, 2008 1:23 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I get what your saying now better than before and you are right...

but I think I would take BMarsh over any of the 98% of WR in the NFL right now..including Steve Smith and Lee Evans. BMarsh is electrifying and truly a game breaker in the open field. Which is why I like Royal’s upside so much…he is the speedy deep threat that BMarsh might not completely be. Cutler is going to have a blast. lol

by Zappa on Apr 29, 2008 1:56 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Only one real disagreement

Nice write-up, phantom. I agree with just about every spot. I think Colbert will surprise us, not from my own opinion of him, but because Shanny is very high on him.

But, the real disagreement I have is not necessarily from the opening day starter perspective, but for the lead back for the season. I really believe (and think his track record bears this out) that Shanahan will give Ryan Torain every opportunity to win the starting RB job this fall and if he’s injury free, that he’ll give Henry a real run for his money. This isn’t about talking down Henry, it’s more a gut-feel that this kid is going to be another hidden gem we’ve seen uncovered over and over again by the Broncos. Shanahan said he thinks the kid’s got 1st round talent and they had targeted him before the draft, so he wasn’t just an afterthought pick. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Henry starting at the beginning of the season, but Torain stepping in midway through for the home-stretch.

Or so I'm told.

by MN Bronco on Apr 29, 2008 1:35 PM MDT   0 recs

I could see that happening...I could also see Selvin Young

bulking up and becoming a more dominate back as the season progresses. I said it a million times last year…if Young bulks up there ain’t no stopping him. The guy has the best one cut moves I’ve seen in a Bronco uniform since TD. Young is faster though. :)

But then again, only God and dedication can help Selvin Young bulk up to the 220-230 range.

by Zappa on Apr 29, 2008 1:58 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

You're right

Selvin Young apparently “can’t” be that workhorse back. He’s fragile and not extremely bulky, but that could all change.

I guess I decided to go with experience and the known quantity with both Henry and Sapp at the RB position. I think what I was going for was who starts at the beginning of the season (guys like Torain and Hillis could definitely make a push later in the season). However, you never know with rookies. I hope Torain gives Henry a run for his money this off-season. Guys Denver targets in the draft usually turn out to be good, unless their name is Maurice Clarrett and they’re basically a “throw-away” pick. I’m actually watching some highlight tapes on Torain, and he looks good. His injury senior year is probably why I didn’t see a lot of him when the ASU games were on TV.

I’ll still go with Henry at this point, because I don’t know how good a judge I am of players this early in the year coming straight out of college. But again, I’m not extremely enamored with Travis, and you make a good point.

by phantom818 on Apr 29, 2008 2:56 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

No doubt the two starts you got there are the most likely

to start the season. Unless Young comes to training camp running like TD did in 1995 or Torain blowing everyone away…Henry will be the starter come opening day. Same goes with Sapp. I agree that come the end of the season we might be looking to kick Henry to the curb once and for all. lol NFL=Not For Long

by Zappa on Apr 29, 2008 3:00 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm with MN on having that "special" feeling about Torain

But I think you got the RB depth chart right, Phantom.

I will say this, Henry had better stay healthy or he may become expendable VERY quickly. As good as Henry is, how awesome would it be if HE were the depth guy going into next season?? ;)

Gravy Torain with Biscuit Wheels…

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by styg50 on Apr 29, 2008 8:31 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Good Post

Good critcal thought. Thanks Training camp will tell.

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by firstfan on Apr 29, 2008 6:19 PM MDT   0 recs

Maybe it's a "bit" early

I like how everyone’s thinking though. It certainly helps me look at the team and its future in new ways. Thanks.

by phantom818 on Apr 29, 2008 6:21 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Nice Post

I was thinking about doing something like this. Looks like you did a fine job though, probably better than I could. I was wondering how you got that little box with the projected linemen. Did you make it yourself?

Anyways I think if we can stay healthy we grab a wild card and finally get Jay in the playoffs. Now if you will excuse me, I’m going to go find some wood to knock on.

by Elway4Prez on Apr 29, 2008 8:26 PM MDT   0 recs

lol I'll knock for you as well

I made it with photoshop. Of course, I could’ve put a little more work into it, but it serves the purpose. Thanks for the props.

by phantom818 on Apr 29, 2008 8:28 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Speaking of photoshop work...

...I guess I’m kinda sorta the “Photoshop Guy” for MHR so if anybody needs any graphics for any segments they are going to do, shoot me an email and I will do what I can to get you what you need.

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by sirsam on May 1, 2008 1:58 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Random thoughts on a great post

On the O-line I see Denver having three tackles for two spots (Clady, Harris and Pears) and four interior lineman for three spots (Nalen, Hamilton, Holland and Wiegmann) with Kuper as the utility guy who can provide depth anywhere it is needed. If I had to guess at starters for now, I would say Clady, Hamilton, Nalen, Holland, Harris

At other positions, I think there will be some “surprise” cuts. I see Sammie Parker having a hard time making the team if Royal is at all decent as a returner in camp. I can also see the loser of the Darrell Jackson – Keary Colbert competition being cut. I don’t see a reason to keep one of those guys as our #4/5 WR over Glenn Martinez and Eddie Royal (or Sammie Parker who can also return kicks) I’m gonna predict either Mike Bell or Andre Hall (possibly both) are sent packing as Denver keeps Henry, Young, Torain and Anthony Alridge at RB with Sapp and Hillis at FB.

by MattR on Apr 30, 2008 1:47 PM MDT   0 recs

Very good analysis

Parker was brought in to do a similar thing to what Royal will now do. He could eventually end up as one of the kick returners, but as to whether he will or not, that’s a totally opinion based issue right now (then again, we could also end up with Royal pairing with a running back to return kicks). I see either Bell or Hall also possibly back on the return unit. Unfortunately, we have too many players for too few spots. I do like Jackson over Colbert in the longrun as well. I also like your thoughts on Alridge. He could be an intruiging pick up, and could provide more help on the special teams unit as well.

by phantom818 on Apr 30, 2008 2:27 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

i agree with all of these predictions you have made! i like the post! the only other thing i could see happening is weigmann playing one of the guard spots, even more so if hamilton cannot bounce back from missing last year. I think the line will be fine this year, getting Clady is a boost and hopefully he turns out better than Foster did awhile back. I think that Clady is much more of a safe bet than Foster was but thats kinda obvious. I could see Ryan Harris working at RT this year battling Kuper and Pears for the starting spot. RB is what worries me. I know that everyone thinks we can plug in any back and he’ll go for 1000, but why dont we ever get game breaking backs anymore. What do you guys see happening in the backfield by the time opening day comes around?? a back we have already? Henry? he cannot stay healthly! Young? not durable enough to carry the load! This may suprise some of you but my favorite runner of our group is Andre Hall. He is somewhat of a change of pace back like young but i think he could really shine if he got the carries. The question is, could you guys see another back being brought in once cuts happen around the league? moving on, at TE we are set with Graham who is a great blocker, and Shef who is on the rise! WR is somewhat sketch to me as well bc of Marshalls injury. The jackson signing is a great choice i think and Sammie Parker is a burner who could be a good deep threat. But i would still have to say Marshall as our number one, with Jackson opposite him and Stokely in the slot of course. Royal and Parker will be behind Stoke in the slot with Colbert and Martinez being back ups to marshall and jackson.

by Tdrizz3 on Apr 30, 2008 8:34 PM MDT   0 recs

my too early depth chart

i’m thinking clady/hamilton/nalen/holland/pears. i’m not sure why everone thinks kuper will start-he only played last season when 2 linemen went down. myers played in hamilton’s spot, not kuper, then when nalen went down, myers shifted to center, and only then did kuper start . even though he was the backup at lg on the depth chart. i don’t believe kuper will switch to tackle, then we’d have 2 “new” tackles starting the season. i think that was just pre-draft smoke. we have 3 division games in the first quarter, and san diego on a short week after a very late m-nighter. if we don’t have it together by then, our season is in trouble already. kuper will back both guard positions(unless he beats out holland), wiegmann will back up nalen, and harris will back up the tackles. btw, is p.j. alexander still on the team? i remember he was going to be a starter recently(2 yrs. ago?), but got hurt in the preseason for the year. is he in the mix? is he any good? are the fa’s any good? we’ll see , but i don’t expect wholesale changes this year. i think shanny wants to go 1 at a time here, barring injury-a distinct possibility. there is something to be said for cohesion, especially at what we do. but keep in mind, if clady/hamilton/nalen aren’t ready, this all changes. this should be interesting to watch, but pray for health so we could field the best 5 we have

by davecheffy on May 1, 2008 1:35 AM MDT   0 recs

PJ is still around

but it isn’t wise for us to rely on him I don’t think. In limited playing time he got pushed around a lot, and the big knock about him is his handwork is terrible and he can’t get into DTs chests. When he fails to latch on he gets pushed all over. But he has good feet and he understands his job in our offense. Good depth but woe to us if we end up needing him for anything beyond spot duty.

And thank you for leaving Pears in the starting lineup. In my opinion, the way to render a form of justice in regards to honoring his efforts is not to make any assumptions about him losing his job, after he has done more than he should ever have been asked to do. There will be plenty of time to appreciate him as a backup if that is the way the die gets cast during training camp, but until then we owe him a much as he has given us.

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by styg50 on May 1, 2008 5:05 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I wanted to start Pears (he deserves a spot)

but I’m so freaking confused about what Denver’s going to do with Kuper. Why move him outside…Why? I probably should’ve just disregarded those comments when I made the chart.

by phantom818 on May 1, 2008 9:50 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Kuper and Holland will compete at OG (in my opinion).

And I’m 100% with Styg on Pears starting at RT.

Camp and pre-season battles may change everything, but I like the roster we have for OL right now.

Alexander has an excellent chance of being cut in favor of some of the FA competition. Either way, I don’t see him on the depth chart this year. (I think he’s even outlived the chance to build up on the practice squad).

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on May 1, 2008 10:30 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Roster as in the group of guys?
Camp and pre-season battles may change everything, but I like the roster we have for OL right now.

I am still trying to wrap my mind around how they’re going to set this up in Denver. However, I have the confidence that the young talent that’s currently there should be fine no matter who starts. A lot of people see Clady starting, but we’ll see what happens. Why not have RC and Pears at tackle and then Kuper and maybe Hamilton at guard? Then again, should we take to heart what Shanny said about moving Kuper inside (..for good)? It sure is fun to speculate. I’ll be comfortable with the final results though, barring there isn’t a mass injury on the OL knocks on wood :)

by phantom818 on May 1, 2008 10:49 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Correct.
Why not have RC and Pears at tackle and then Kuper and maybe Hamilton at guard?

I agree with that chart.

But regardless of how the chart pans out, we now have enough talent to field a good OL and to have the back-ups in place.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on May 1, 2008 11:07 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed

Enough with the line! Let’s rock and roll and focus on our running backs now :)

by phantom818 on May 1, 2008 11:12 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I have a post (like the OL mystery post) coming up shortly.

stay tuned…

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on May 1, 2008 11:29 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I am anxious to see it!

This whole OL discussion simply underscores the fact that we now have the personnel to execute our “dancing bears” Zone Blocking scheme as well as the muscle to drive straight ahead in short yardage and goal line situations. In addition we have the luxury of not only having youth, but experienced depth.

Nothing is at last sacred but the integrity of our own mind. - Emerson

by firstfan on May 1, 2008 12:20 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I think the important thing

is that after things shake out in training camp we’ll basically have our o-line of the future, one that can stay together for years and grow with Cutler. The only question mark is center. I’m hoping K-Lic is the longterm answer there, and if not that we find one soon.This is, by the way, the new, larger o-line we were talking about a year or two ago. The recent flurry about us going to a larger line or staying with the zone-block system was misconceived. A zone-blocking line is always going to be relatively smaller and more athletic than a traditional line, say about 10 to 15 pounds lighter on average. But as the line aged and athletes at all positions got bigger the gap got larger. By retooling the Broncos have got it back where it should be. We don’t have to be as big as other o-lines to do well in short-yardage situations. Think of past Broncos teams that could always get the tough yards. Think of the “ground Chuck” Steelers teams of the ‘70s, often thought of as blacksmiths overpowering opponents, who were actually finesse blockers led by undersized (and perennial all-pro) center Mike Webster, who regularly handled the bigger guys lined up across from him.

I think we can look forward to a period of stability in this area, and think it’s remarkable how well the o-line has performed during the transition. Our running game and pass protection slipped only a little. Compare our situation with KC’s. The transition from old to new has been Shanahan at his scintillating best. In fact, he has done a masterful job of rebuilding the offense as a whole, starting with Cutler, and is now putting the finishing touches on that project. What some teams wouldn’t give to have Shanahan, if Bowlen were ever so foolish as to let him go.

"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen

by spock on May 2, 2008 3:30 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm still worried about the upcoming....

....Nalen / Hamilton transitions / retirement. The guys that step in will be fine, but the teamwork element will take a few games of adjustment in early ‘09 (that’s when I’m guessing K-Lich and either Kuper/Holland promotes).

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on May 2, 2008 10:10 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Well sure, HT

but we’ve faced that issue already with all the injuries and shuffling of the past two years and did surprisingly well, even though the players stepping in weren’t as accomplished as the ones who went down. That isn’t to say that Pears, for instance, didn’t do yeoman work, but he was no Lepsis. By the time Nalen and Hamilton retire there won’t be that much of a drop-off, if any. Yes, there’ll be a period of adjustment after the final pieces are put in place, but that doesn’t worry me so much as make me think the line will get even better as they build familiarity and perfect their coordination over the ensuing months and years.

"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen

by spock on May 2, 2008 8:42 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I think that's...

fair to say. I buy that.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on May 2, 2008 9:53 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Kuper

I am high on Kuper because of his play last year. He consistently pass protected well and was our most effective power drive type blocker. He demonstrated the feet to execute our ZB system and the intelligence to implement it. IMHO he was our most effective OL last year.

Nothing is at last sacred but the integrity of our own mind. - Emerson

by firstfan on May 1, 2008 12:24 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I like him, too

Let’s face it. The only question during Shanahan’s tenure is not whether we’ll find o-line pearls in the draft but who they’ll be. Kuper is one of the answers to that question.

"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen

by spock on May 2, 2008 8:51 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

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