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Player Musings - Peyton Hillis

May 1st, and it's a cold, snowy day in Colorado Springs.  Very few fellow employees are in today (for reasons not related to the snow.)  I have a Nalgene bottle full of warm green tea.  Yep, time to put down some thoughts on a draft pick that has my attention:  Peyton Hillis, FB out of Arkansas.

First, the measurables (with comparables from Owen Schmitt and Jacob Hester), courtesy of NFL Draft Countdown and FFToolbox :

6' 3/4" 240 lb, 31.5" arms, 9" hands
Schmitt: 6' 2" 247 lb, 32" arms, 9 3/8" hands
Hestor: 5' 10.5" 226 lb, 31" arms, 10.5" hands

40 time: 4.58 (Schmitt 4.70, Hestor 4.60)
Benchpress: 26 reps (Schmitt 26, Hestor 23)
Vertical: 30" (Schmitt NA, Hestor 27)


The scouting report on Hillis labels him as a 'tweener: he's faster than most fullbacks and a better blocker than most running backs...but he's not exceptionally fast, and he's not as strong as the stereotypical fullback.  He can run the ball, but isn't the best power/short-yardage back you will see.  He projects more as Brian Leonard of St. Louis.

What does he bring to the table then?  In a single word: versatility.  Sharing the backfield with Darren McFadden AND Felix Jones (both 1st round selections this year), he still managed to rack up 347 yards and 2 TDs on the ground.  He also snagged 49 catches for 537 yards and 5 TDs.  He has lined up at fullback, H-back, tailback, tight end, wide receiver, kickoff returner and punt returner for the Razorbacks.  Peyton is smart, with good awareness and a non-stop motor.  He has had some injuries, but I do not get too concerned with injuries (it is football, after all) until a single injury becomes chronic.


So, what does this mean for Bronco fans?  Initially, his best bet for playing time will be on special teams (as is the case for most lower-round picks and UDFAs.)  But the big hope relates directly to something HoosierTeacher has been discussing for quite awhile: the near-mythical 3-TE Set (if you haven't read this piece, please do so!)  To run 3-TE sets, you need (ready?)...three good tight ends!  HT points out that both Denver and Pittsburgh are the teams most likley the field the 3-TE Set soonest, with both teams capable of running effective 2-TE Sets right now.  Denver has aniel Graham (excellent blocker, respectable receiver), and Tony Scheffler (so-so blocker, excellent receiver.)  Peyton Hillis could be the hyprid do-it-all in this set.  He could potentially line up anywhere (out wide, in tight, as an H-Back, or back as a Fullback.)  He could motion out to any other spot, creating mismatches and improving Cutler's reads on the defense.

But that is probably still a year to so away.  In the mean time, Denver has a fullback that can block better than the converted RBs over the past couple of years, and is a legitimate play action receiving threat in the redzone.  While the improved blocking is nice, I see the receiving threat out of the backfield as being even more important.  Once a staple of the Denver offense, the play-action pass to a fullback out of the backfield has been a rarity lately.  WIth Hillis, I see it coming back.

Okay, I think that's it for now.  My curiosity was piqued with the Hillis pick, and I've cleared my head (for now.)  I love the discussion of defensive vs. offensive systems...if I've missed something (likely), let me know!

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My Head is Spinning

I had not read ht’s masterpiece along with the few comments. Sheeesh! It certainly makes the addition of Hillis and interesting pick, not as a FB, but as a TE3.

Nothing is at last sacred but the integrity of our own mind. - Emerson

by firstfan on May 1, 2008 1:32 PM MDT   0 recs

The knowledge contained in this site

is ridiculous! And after reading the report on Hillis, then re-reading HoosierTeacher’s 3-TE article again…I got excited and needed to post something.

~Uffdah

by Disco_Stu on May 1, 2008 1:40 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I think Hillis will be an upgrade over Sapp

and may end up as more of an H-Back/TE than a true FB. I am really loving both our seventh round picks.

BTW – My dad grew up on a farm in ND and I have made a few trips to visit relatives. What part of the state were you in?

by MattR on May 1, 2008 1:34 PM MDT   0 recs

ND

My parents both grew up on farms in ND: My dad outside Mott and my mom outside Dickinson. I only lived in ND for two years, however: first year in Grand Forks, second in Fargo.

~Uffdah

by Disco_Stu on May 1, 2008 1:37 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

So I imagine you have very vivid memories :)

I’ve spent a bit of time in Fargo and even less in the Grand Forks airport

(Just sent you an email with a bit more follow up)

by MattR on May 1, 2008 2:50 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

My memory is a complete blank.

Oh, wait, that “blank” IS an actual memory of ND! :o)

~Uffdah

by Disco_Stu on May 1, 2008 2:55 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

lol. I gotta say

that driving through North Dakota is a bit different than driving through New York City. Not sure if I would call it more fun, but it is definitely less stressful.

by MattR on May 1, 2008 3:04 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I believe that eastern North Dakota and...

...western Minnesota is the most nearly perfectly flat place that is not calm water on the face of the Earth. I swear the highest point in Grand Forks is the over pass over the Inter State. Any NoDakers out there know what I mean. I once saw a clever T-shirt in Grand Forks that said, “North Dakota is not the end of the world…

...but you can see it from here.”

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on May 1, 2008 8:54 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

When I was 11 or 12

We drove from Winnipeg down to Fargo. My dad made up a game where he would pick out an object in the distance (a tree or silo or something) and my sister and I would try to guess how far away it was. It did not help that we were so young, but we were never even close with our estimates. There was just absolutely nothing around to use as a frame of reference. (and my dad’s guesses were not so hot either)

On the plus side, you could literally see any police officer from miles away.

by MattR on May 1, 2008 9:13 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I remember a year when...

...the Red River flooded. Once it got over the dikes it just kept going. There was nothing to stop it. But it wasn’t rushing flood waters. It was more like it just crept out over the plains. I decided to drive out west of town. There was water from horizon to horizon, but it was probably no more than a foot deep. It was smooth as a mirror, reflecting the trees and barns and clouds and the setting sun. The road, set up on a high berm, stood above the flood. In front of me it narrowed and disappeared over the edge of the world. It was quite beautiful actually.

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on May 2, 2008 9:24 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Now, don't get me wrong

I like Sapp. He’s done what has been asked of him without complaint, and he’s a CSU Ram. But I think Shanahan has looked to upgrade the FB position this draft…just not in the stereotypical way.

~Uffdah

by Disco_Stu on May 1, 2008 10:02 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

A quick note from Razorback country

Hillis is known down here as a quality, stand-up player with a gleam in his eye and fire in his belly – He loves the pigskin and brings everything he’s got on every down. I think Shanny made a wise choice.

by cuprite on May 1, 2008 6:21 PM MDT   0 recs

Quality, Stand-Up Player

That was a big theme of the Broncos draft: they took quality players, but put a premium on character and work-ethic.

Thanks for the report! Most of us here have read the official scouting reports, but it’s great to hear from someone close to the action.

~Uffdah

by Disco_Stu on May 1, 2008 10:03 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I love the Hillis pick.

The more I read about him, the better I feel.

1. He may have the versatility to run, if Denver sees him as a one cut guy. They are experts in getting RBs late in the draft. After all, how often does Denver grab a FB?

2. He will be the first true run blocking (heck, add pass blocking) FB the team has taken in ages. Look for immediate improvement from the guy that was blocking for McFadden.

3. Even if he isn’t a one cut guy, he may be a “diver” on critical “third and short” plays.

4. A reasonable screen pass threat on goalline.

5. He sounds like a straight up guy that will fit in with our return to quality, character guys.

The magic-3 is still a trend that is years out. It does get discussed in a lot of conferences/seminars as the wave of the future in the NFL. PITT, NE, and DEN all run a few 3 TE sets each year (but formations, not systems). Let’s not get too excited yet. But Hillis would be an ideal #1 TE in such a set (lined offset from the QB and HB, primarily a run blocker but a motion potential to pass or a runner). He could even be converted into a true TE with his profile.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on May 1, 2008 7:21 PM MDT   0 recs

Based on some very cursory analysis

Hillis looks to be a few inches shorter than most of the receiving TEs in this past draft; not that I would judge his ability on his height of course. I’d rather take players that just make plays, then players that have the correct size and weight, but never live up to them.

As for the Magic-3, I probably got a little ahead of myself. I tried to tone it down a bit; my guess is Hillis plays on special teams this year, with spot duty at FB/H-Back. If he improves, I see more playing time in the future for 2009. If THAT works out…maybe a progression to greater emphasis of the 3-TE set in 2010? Who can say, but I definitely get excited over guys that are considered “football players” rather than just “good athletes who may or may not have the drive to succeed.”

~Uffdah

by Disco_Stu on May 1, 2008 10:00 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I think the Magic 3 is still at least a decade away.

It’s considered the end game of years of trends on the NFL. After the Magic 3, another trend will start and the Magic 3 will become obsolete.

Back to Hillis, even if he was used in such a system, he would be more of a blocker/runner than a blocker/receiver. His size wouldn’t be so much of a factor at the #1 TE position.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on May 1, 2008 11:01 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Off the Peyton Hillis topic

HT, what do you (and/or others) think the single WR would be in the Magic-3 set? My guess would be a smaller, fast receiver who can stretch the field (providing something that most TEs do not.)

Okay, I’m getting excited again. It happens often…I’ll go to bed now. :o)

~Uffdah

by Disco_Stu on May 1, 2008 10:45 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

There is a lot of debate on that point.

There are two schools of thought.

In the first, you take a speedy kind of guy to stretch the field. Since the run game would again become more dominant, defenses would shift away from the modern formations back to some of the classic formations. There would be very little to cover a WR streaking down the field at that point.

The second school of thought is the powerful, Marshall kind of receiver. He would still route behind the second level of LBs, but on run plays every man will need to be able to run block. Most speedy types aren’t built to be great run blockers.

There are good points both ways. I stayed out of those arguments, and instead spent a lot of time trying to argue about how to best stop a 3 TE system. Stopping a 3 TE formation isn’t so tough. Spending an entire game trying to defeat a system based on 3 TEs is a nightmare. As a defensive coordinator (retired), I am less fascinated with the Magic 3 than I am with figuring out how some genius is going to counter it (and someone will).

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on May 1, 2008 10:58 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

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