Quarterback Camp Marks The Beginning Of "The Quest'
Quarterback Camp. Those words won't spark much of a reaction from mainstream fans, but for us Broncos-Fanatics, any term used to describe on-feild activites is reason to get excited. For the players, it's time to get down to the business of coming together as a football team. The Broncos have added 36 new faces to the roster and those guys need to get to know each other a bit. For the MHR, it means time to get serious about covering the team on a day-to-day basis. I have officially termed the 2008 season as "The Quest". It is both direct and to the point, as well as general, enigmatic. I have purposfully left off what "The Quest" is for. I leave that to you. It is far beyond me to tell you what your expectations for 2008 should be. I have my own, and for me "The Quest" to reach those expectations starts today. Just like "The Reloading" season before it, 2008 now has a moniker. Use it with pride!
As with any Quest, there are many questions as the Broncos begin their "journey". Let's take a look at some of the things to keep your eyes and ears on over the next couple of weeks --

1. Can The New Faces Acclimate Quickly? -- The Broncos added 36 new players to the roster since the end of the 2007 season. The team has added 16 draft picks or college free agents, acquired defensive tackle DeWayne Robertson from the Jets in a trade, welcomed six unrestricted free agents, signed six street free agents and added seven future-contract players. Sure, some of those guys won't last to see the sweat of middle August, but many of them are being counted on to play keys roles for the Broncos in '08. How quickly the acclimate themselves to wearing Orange and Blue will go a long way towards the team getting off to a hot start.
Offensively, with question marks still surrounding Brandon Marshall, Darrell Jackson and Keary Colbert are going to be relied upon to make an impact. Rookie Eddie Royal will be counted on as well to chip in, especially on Special Teams. There is always a spotlight on the #1 pick as well, and all eyes will be on Ryan Clady and his adjustment to the pro game.
On defense, Boss Baily and Niko Koutouvides are being brought in to solidify the linebacking corp. Koutouvides will be given the first shot at becoming the new "man in the middle" and his success, or lack thereof, will go a long way towards the development of the defense as a whole.
2. Is This The Year The Coaching Carousel Stops? - Another summer, another defensive coordinator. It seems we talk about this every year around this time. In '08 it is Bob Slowik's turn at turning this defense around. Slowik has had success as the team's DB coach and is well liked in the locker room, something Jim Bates never enjoyed. While the new faces the team has added will be the key to the defense's success, how well Slowik can formulate a game plan that maximizes the players' strengths will be just as important. There are still vulnerabilities to cover up and Slowik will need to find a way to get the most out of the talent at hand, without alienating players the way Bates did.
On offense, it is out with Mike Heimerdinger, who left for greener pastures in Tennessee, and in with Jeremy Bates, the son of the aforementioned Jim Bates. The younger Bates will be tasked with running the Broncos' passing game under Offensive Coordinator Rick Dennison. Dennison's strength has always been the running game, and Bates will need to add a bit of spice to a passing game that has become, well, plain boring the past few seasons.
3. Can The Guys Coming Back From Injury Return To Form? - Tom Nalen, Ben Hamilton, Jarvis Moss, Ebenezar Ekuban, Brandon Marshall. All these guys are counted on to be starters and big-time performers in 2008. Unfortunately, all are coming off of serious injuries and are big-time question marks as "The Quest" begins.
It appears all systems are go for Nalen and Hamilton to regain their starting spots along the Broncos offensive front. I have faith that Nalen will be able to come back from the Right Biceps injury that ended his 2007 prematurely. My confidnece isn;t nearly as high with Hamilton who suffered a concussion during training camp last year and never could shake the symptoms. While Hamilton feels fine now, what will happen the first time he bangs heads with a 325 lb. d-lineman? That is a concern for the Broncos and one reason they added depth on the O-line, in the draft and via free agency.
Marhsall's rehabilitation has been hush-hush so far, but there seems to be an undercurrent of concern in regards to is recovery. While I have nothing to substantiate my feelings, I have this nagging feeling the Broncos would be foolish to count on Marshall making an impact in 2008, let alone duplicating his 2007 season. There's just something about "cutting nerves, veins and tendons" in your arm when you are a receiver that brings out the pessimist in me.
For Moss staying healthy has been a problem his entire football life. In 2007 it was a broken ankle and torn ankle ligaments suffered during practice that put him on the shelf. Moss had the walking boot removed in February and began running in March. He is fully entrenched in the team's off-season strength and conditioning program and looks to be on track to begin training camp full speed. How long he can remain that way is the big question. Ebenezar Ekuban was supposed to give the Broncos time to slowly work Moss into the lineup, but that ended when the veteran defensive end tore his achilles tendon during the pre-season game in Dallas. Ekuban has been reportedly been rehabbing vigorously in hopes of getting back to full strength, and the Broncos will likely tread lightly in bring Eb back. If both Moss and Ekuban can give the Broncos what Elvis Dumervil provides on the oppisite side the defense will be vastly improved.
4. Can Jay Cutler Progress With Questions About His Health Swirling? -- 2008 was a big year before Jay Cutler announced he was diabetic. Now that the gorilla is out of the closet everyone seems to be blaming the disease for his performance at times in 2007. If it were only that easy. Cutler is still young, heading into his second full season as the Broncos starting quarterback. Even before the dianosis I was looking for Cutler to take a huge jump in terms of in-game management and consistency. While there seems to be no reason Cutler cannot perform with diabetes, having Wade Wilson as the poster child for quarterbacks that were able to play with the condition doesn't exactly ease my fears. It's not that I don;t think Cutler can do it, there just isn't any comparative case to use to back up any optimisitc opinion. PLaying quarterback in the NFL is the hardest job in sports when everything is 100%. How Cutler handles his health will be a huge factor for the rest of his career.
5. Can The Broncos Find A Reliable Option At Kicker and Punter? -- A question that will linger all the way until the Opener on September 8th, the Broncos will officially begin their search for a new kicker and punter. With 5 candidates vying for 2 jobs, there are going to be a lot of balls flying all over the practice fields over the next 4 months. Matt Prater and Garrett Hartley are competing at kicker. Brett Kern, Danny Baugher and Sam Paulescu are battling for punter duties. Right now my money is on Prater and Paulescu, but this is a battle that will be worth our attention all summer. With some of you still lamenting the loss of Jason Elam, I know there will be alot of interest.
Are those the only questions? Certainly not. But Quarterback Camp is only the beginning of the Journey and few if any of the answers will be learned over the next two weeks. The important thing is the Broncos are back on the field, back trying to get better, back to putting a disasterous 2007, on and off the field, behind them. Let "The Quest" begin....
UPCOMING DATES --
* Quarterback camp: Today through Thursday; May 27-30.
* Team camp: June 2-6; June 9-13 (tentative).
* Minicamp: July 7-8.
* Training camp: Players report July 24.
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Great Stuff Guru.
I do not like your negative undertones about BMarsh. Please…SAY IT AINT SO! Our offensive will be severely limited without him in the lineup. We all know how electrifying he was last year….he is a big part of our offensive explosiveness.
by Zappa on May 19, 2008 11:11 AM MDT 0 recs
To take a line from Paul Sr.
“I’m not sayin’, I’m just sayin’
-TSG
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by TheSportsGuru on
May 19, 2008 11:19 AM MDT
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Finally............
I’m about to go nuts waiting for football to start this year. My withdrawals were hitting an alltime high. Now we can begin to see how things will shake out this year. At least we will have something to talk about for the next two weeks. LOL
The player who thinks he can and the player who knows he can are two different players, which one are you???
by Broncofan on May 19, 2008 11:53 AM MDT 0 recs
It should ALAWYS be Super Bowl or Bust in Denver
That said, I can understand the hush hush on Marshall. He did have some nerve damage so this does not surprise me in the least. I am a bit concerned as a fan, but that is why they have (as it looks) some good depth at WR. I look at Cutler and I thought he had a good, but up and down season last year. But I expected that. He was starting his first full season in the NFL. besides Marino, and Brady to a certain extent, name a QB that had a great (statswise) first year as a starter. Now that the reason for his weight loss has been diagnosed I expect big things from him. Plus Every QB that has played in Shanny’s system for 3 straight seasons has had a pro-bowl or better season. 94 Young, SB MVP, ELway SB winner, Griese, Pro Bowl, Even Plummer. His 3rd season was 2005 and got to the pro bowl (even if he was a repacement then decided not to go) and the AFC title game. One last thought I dont think the Broncos will be hurting when it comes to a place kicker. I feel if the Broncos let Elam go there was always a replacement in mind.
by broncfanstuckinsd on May 19, 2008 12:05 PM MDT 0 recs
It isn't always...I remember as a kid back in the early 90's in the year after that 55-10 debacle
I didn’t want the Broncos anywhere near the Super Bowl game. In fact, I don’t think I seriously wanted us back in the Super Bowl again until 94-95…rough times.
by Zappa on
May 19, 2008 1:46 PM MDT
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my thought was. . .
you cant win it, if you dont get there. But I do remember the sting of the blowout. Some clown on my ship posted a cartoon after that game that said Speed Limit 55, Broncos 10. Man, I hated him for a while.
by broncfanstuckinsd on
May 19, 2008 2:15 PM MDT
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All of the above!
would be my answer to the “quest” poll
by Pmac54 on May 19, 2008 12:44 PM MDT 0 recs
Ahhh....Very True...
A Super Bowl win would likely include at least 4 of the options, but my question is really this—
What would it take in 2008 for the season NOT to be a disappointment in your eyes…?
-TSG
www.milehighreport.com
by TheSportsGuru on
May 19, 2008 12:50 PM MDT
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10 & 6
and consistently playing with heart!!! I’d be very content to see them all play with the kind of “want to” that we have witnessed in most of the years past, ( I became a Broncos fan when we moved to Denver in 1985 )! I’m expecting 10 & 6 this year because of the team getting back to a winning attitude on both sides of the ball!
by Pmac54 on
May 19, 2008 1:38 PM MDT
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I want to change my vote.
I marked Superbowl because that should always be our quest. But I would not be totally disappointed if we go to the playoffs, every player gives 100% for 60 minutes, we regain respectability on and off the field and we sweep Sandy Eggo.
Nothing is at last sacred but the integrity of our own mind. - Emerson
by firstfan on
May 19, 2008 5:40 PM MDT
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Show those darn Chargers
that Denver has a team and can contain LT and loudmouth Phillip and get back to the playoffs again. The Raiders/Broncos rivalry will be nice for me, especially that Monday night game, but I’m more focused on what Denver does against the Chargers next season (the Raiders aren’t quite there yet…come back to me when they’re at the top of the West. It’s not like I know a lot of Chargers fans, and I don’t know why, but I would like to see at least one maybe two taken from them by the Broncos. I’d be happy with an over 500 record and maybe a playoff RUN instead of just making the playoffs. Give me at least one playoff win, although it may be too much to expect with all the new signings, and I’ll be happy (of course, not as happy as with a Super Bowl victory, but it would be a nice improvement for me and a huge step on the road of things to come).
by phantom818 on May 19, 2008 1:29 PM MDT 0 recs
Beat the Chargers! That's my vote. I change from win the division to
BEAT THE CHARGERS!!!!! Argh…anything else doesn’t matter…opps, I mean I don’t mind losing the Chargers ONLY IF we win the Super Bowl. lol
by Zappa on
May 19, 2008 1:47 PM MDT
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I agree
with showing up the Chargers. According to the media and hundreds of charger fans (they really dont have more than that. This is the biggest bandwagon in the NFL, besides the Pats- but I think thats changing) already have the Lomabardi Trophy in SD. I want to see Moss or Elvis just clean Phyllis’ clock in week #2. That would make me soooooooooo happy!
by broncfanstuckinsd on
May 19, 2008 1:47 PM MDT
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Definately,
put the Chargers in their place and the raiders and they’ll have taken a very large step in making for a happy year for me.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on
May 19, 2008 3:55 PM MDT
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Bill Williamson
I sent the below letter of reference (e-mail actually) to Bill Williamson’s new employer over at ESPN. That gelatinous piece of goo better think twice before he ranks us 23rd again.
Anyway, enjoy:
I just wanted to thank ESPN for taking Bill Williamson with you. In his time with the post, Bill has never written anything of substance. Not only were all of his articles poorly researched and half-assed, but he never had insight to pass on to the reader, just his own opinion and conjecture.
Every month or two, when Bill felt like writing a two paragraph article, I would read it and always be disappointed with his calibre of writing. Also, Bill was the only writer on the DP website who had no participation in his forums and/or articles. If you don’t believe me go to DP.com and see his all of his archived articles with no reader responses. Every other Post writer would have twice the output of Bill, even when they were out on vacation.
I just wanted to say that I was disappointed that a name like ESPN would be that desperate for a sports writer. But I am sure you guys are finding out how bad he is as time goes along.
Bill also knows next to nothing about the Broncos. But he looks like he could eat one.
Ditch the bum would be my advice.
N/a
by kwool79 on May 19, 2008 3:49 PM MDT 0 recs
kwool79
Why don’t you just go ahead and tell ESPN how you REALLY feel instead of beating around the bush? Somehow I get the impression you don’t care for Mr. Williamson. :)
Nothing is at last sacred but the integrity of our own mind. - Emerson
by firstfan on
May 20, 2008 6:29 PM MDT
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Hmmm...curious
I see that votes for “playoffs” to be a success is winning the poll. Have we, as Bronco fans, finally fallen to the level of Chef fans? Where going 9-7 and backing into the playoffs only to get our arses kicked by Indianapolis is now all it takes to be considered a success(From the mouth of Guru himself!)?
And I thought I was aiming low by saying, Division Champs was the only way this season would be considered a success. Of course winning the Super Bowl would outdo that, but I’d rather not sneak into the playoffs as a doormat, Chiefs style. I prefer smash mouth football, if we get to the playoffs…we better win some games and do some damage.
by Zappa on May 19, 2008 4:04 PM MDT 0 recs
How bout "reasonable goal?"
Every year the Super Bowl is the goal of every team. Essentially it’s to easy to say for every fan everywhere of every team; It’s the ultimate goal. But in my own opinion, I would be very happy to see Denver win the Division. That would mean making the playoffs, and knocking off San Diego. Is this a reasonable goal? Yes it is. There are a number of factors that can change a teams record plus or minus several wins/losses every year. Denver was down last year and only finished 4 games behing SD. Wouldn’t it be reasonable to say that it’s a very good goal to improve by 4 wins this year? I think so. Taking a shot at the Division should be the first priority.
I truly believe that winning the Division is the first goal to accomplish. When the playoffs come and they make it, then set a new goal.
"If Denver beats us, I'll walk back to Detroit"
Alex Karras
by Denver Diehard on May 19, 2008 7:10 PM MDT 0 recs
Very logical
Are you sure this isn’t Spock disguised as DD? But I gotta admit it makes sense.
Nothing is at last sacred but the integrity of our own mind. - Emerson
by firstfan on
May 20, 2008 12:33 AM MDT
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To reach the quest, many obstacles must be overturned....
In any good quest, there are always enemies and challenges to overcome. In my own opinion, we must conquer ourselves before we can help to achieve the goals set forward. In asking what we must conquer, it is the mastery of the indivdual first. Denver did this well in ejecting many me-first players. Javon Walker was a me-first player. Simeon Rice was a me-first player. Only in first removing any trace of selfishness can Denver become a true team. Then, only as a team, can we progress. As any one must prepare for a quest, Denver must prepare themselves for the challenges that await them. That means learning a defensive system that can stop the run. That means every player stepping up their game to learn the plays and systems. And that truly mens putting faith in the leader, in Cutler.
Once those preparations are made, the first objective is knocking down the barriers of familiar territory. Denver cannot hope to succeed in anyone’s minds if they lose to Oakland. Denver must take advantage of their weaker division opponents and crush them on the field of battle. Once the lowly Raiders are taken out, it is then to take our battle to the Chiefs. It would be truly incredible if the team could emulate their performance they had against the Chiefs at home last year. It is wholly expected that they must beat the Chiefs and Raiders by a record of at least 3-1. This is a necessity because their greatest obstacle lies in Sand Diego. Denver must, and I mean MUST deeat the Chargers to gain any smblance of hope in the season. They need to strike hard and fast. And they must win. It is a necessity that Denver holds a 4-2 record in the division.
To me, once the division is won, it is simply a matter of taking out the opposing AFC and NFC Division games. While one cannot expect a win agaist the powerhouse Patriots, but it would be unacceptable to come out of the AFC East with anything less than 3-1. The NFC South poses a main concern based on the way the teams have grown. Though Carolina poses no immediate threat, Tampa Bay and New Orleans have the ability to defeat us.
Truly, my Quest as you would have it is not the Superbowl, is not even the AFC CHampionship game. It is simply conquering the inner demons of the Broncos now, and taking back the Division title. None of this can come to pass unless the team becomes what we all hope it can be.
by Tollyvolley on May 19, 2008 8:41 PM MDT 1 recs
To add on that. I demand 1 minimum of a 7-1 home record.
I will allow for a mullagan this year, but no more 4-4 bullcrap!!!
by Zappa on
May 19, 2008 10:13 PM MDT
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well spoken
i had forgotten an age old concept…..one must win the homefront before he can conquer others. the home record at Invesco has been pathetic to my tastes. one can remember when a visit to mile high envoked the images of a sea of orange, the sounds of a rowdy crowd, and fear for the thin air. the only images now are of placid fans content to sip their beer and sit in complacency. now i am by no means criticizing everyone. orange and blue blood clearly pumps throughout the hearts of everyone here. but for our home field to feared as it once was, the stadium must roar like a thousand lions, thirst for the blood of their enemies. pirates, indians, and bolts must feel as if the very rocky mountains themselves will fall upon them. the home field must be regained.
by Tollyvolley on
May 19, 2008 10:30 PM MDT
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The home records has been respectable until 2006...
just awful since. The Broncos are a perennial playoff team for one reason really…domination at home. You win at least 6 of your home games then all you have to do is win half of your road games and you are a .600 team and fighting for a playoff spot. You win 7, all you gotta do is win 3 road games…ect. THAT is what makes an organization great year in and year out…take care of your business in your home town and the playoffs and division titles will work themselves out in the long run. ;)
by Zappa on
May 19, 2008 10:40 PM MDT
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I'm making my first trips to Invesco this year.
What you’re saying is the one thing that scares me. I’ve only been to Mile High once, but I’ll never forget it. It was unreal. I’ve heard there is a real difference from Mile High. I’ll use other stadiums I know for comparison and my friend mentions Buffalo and Cleveland, but I wasn’t overly impressed, even though Buffalo was pretty good. He did tell me that I’ll be disappointed, but I’ve noticed a difference watching the games on TV too.
I’ve heard a number of reasons blaming it on the Club level seats to how sections of fans were relocated away from each other when they got to Invesco to just a different type of “clientele” that show up for games now. You rarely even hear the announcers mention the crowd as much as they used to as the did in the past.
Do you think that the club’s not winning and the fans aren’t as supportive or the fans aren’t giving us the “advantage” and that’s why we lose more at home? I guess the only comparable season to a winning team would be ‘06.
by Bronco Billy on
May 20, 2008 1:06 AM MDT
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i do agree
But, I may be in the minority but I can see Denver beating the Pats. Shanny is 5-2 against them since Bellichek got there in 2000, and have not lost at their new stadium. Sure the Pats are great or were last year but not unbeatable. I also feel the the Broncos need reestablish home field dominance again. Nothing short of 7-1 or 8-0 is acceptable (in my mind). Then split on the road. The toughest road games are gonna be SD, NE, KC, and Oak. The divisional games are always the toughest. Plus I dont think the Browns are gonna be the same as they were last year. I feel that the Broncos have a good team right now, and it will get better. I understand everybody who days division first, but that should be only a part of the goal. Winning the Super Bowl should always define the end result of the season. As Jimmie Johnson said an excellent season is super bowl appearance. A good season in the conference championship anything else is not a great season. If anybody is ever happy with a division championship I think that is setting the bar too low and accepting a mediocre team. Maybe I am a true Blue fan, and accept that Denver should always compete for a title. I have lived here in SD for years and I was always disgusted when the media was happy if the local team here would be 8-8. I hate missing the playoffs and I hate not being strong team at home. But no Bronco team has missed the playoffs 3 years in a row since 1980-1982. Think about that and the Broncos have the right man in place to ensure that wont happen. As always I am a total glass is half full guy.
by broncfanstuckinsd on
May 20, 2008 12:17 PM MDT
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well said
the combination of all the would create the perfect storm….but it may take more than a season to get it all together
by Tollyvolley on May 19, 2008 11:07 PM MDT 0 recs
No matter how long it takes
You are correct Tolly, and no matter how long it takes, a year, two or three, we realize that time is a factor into producing great football teams. True Bronco Fans can and will wait.
Us older Diehards know that perserverance and patience pays. It took our Broncos 17 years after they first took the field to even make the playoffs and that year they went to the Superbowl. I know and see countless impatient fans who want it all now. We were blessed to have a team that did so much through the Elway years. Spoiled in a way, and now we have fans that jump around like a fart in a frying pan calling for Shanahans head because they missed the playoffs for two years. Those guys would have never lasted in the AFL days or the pre-Elway days.
The bottom line is that under Bowlen and Shanahan, the Denver Broncos will always be competative. If that isn’t some form of success, then nothing else is. Check the record, Denver has won more games in the NFL than any team since Shanahan has been on watch starting in 1995. Our team has done well and will continue to do so. I’ll be watching every game regardless. Who’s bitchin?
"If Denver beats us, I'll walk back to Detroit"
Alex Karras
by Denver Diehard on
May 20, 2008 1:02 AM MDT
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Very true that true fans will wait. But, honestly who wants to wait? No one wants to write off a season before it even starts. The great thing about Shanny that a lot of people don’t realize is exactly what you said: that we have a competitive team year after year. We missed the playoffs in one overtime two years ago and last year we were playing with a lot of injuries. After winning the Super Bowl, winning another will be the mark set year after year. As fans, we’ll be disappointed with the end result very often, but that just shows how strong of an organization that we have right now. Good post, by the way.
by Bronco Billy on
May 20, 2008 1:12 AM MDT
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To me a quest
is what you’re after and think you have a shot at, not what you’d be satisfied with. I’d be relieved with 11-5 and not too terribly disappointed with 10-6. Any given year every team with a record of, say, 10-6 or better has a legitimate shot at the big prize. It’s a matter of who gets hot
at the right time. For this year’s Broncos the Superbowl is a quest, for teams like the Falcons, Chiefs, and probably the raiders it’s a pipe dream.
A lot of things have to go right for it to happen, just as a lot of things had to go wrong for last year to happen. I’m not particularly worried about Cutler. If he becomes good but not great it won’t be because of diabetes. I’m seeing an undercurrent of opinion that says, there aren’t any all-time greats who’ve had diabetes, perhaps that means it limits a player’s maximum upside. What it means is that it’s rare enough that any really small sample is unlikely to include someone who’s had it, and the set of great and even potentially great QBs is a really, really small sample.
Marshall is more worrisome. The worrywart in me sees lacerated nerves, veins, and tendons and shudders. The realist thinks that a knee injury is more likely to be chronic and limiting. Given our depth of receiving talent, a run-first offense, and a very good QB who’s likely about to move to the next level, I don’t think a below-par Marshall would keep us from having a good offense. But if he’s as good or even better
it might be dominant.
The big if for me is how well the defense comes together. Shanahan has enough raw material to construct a good o-line, potentially an elite one, likewise for the running backs and receivers. It’s important for the defense to develop chemistry, with the d-line players, the linebackers and the deep backs meshing into an effective unit. It won’t have to be elite for us to do well. If the offense is top five or eight, and the defense no worse than average, we’ll be in good position for a deep playoff run. And the defense, with the obvious upgrade at linebacking, with the return of Ekuban and the trade for Robertson, and with so many d-line players moving into their second or third years, chances are good that the defense will surprise and be average or even better. Our pass defense, contrary to popular opinion, was not very good last year. This year it will probably be much better.
The key factor is Cutler. An elite QB can pull out two or three games that should have been lost, turning a 9-7, 10-6, or 11-5 season into 12-4, 13-3, or 14-2. And can find a way to win big games. Cutler was not just uncommonly good for a second-year quarterback. He was also tough in crunch time. If he improves as much as third-year QBs often do, there’ll be very few games we don’t have a chance to win. While
not probable, a Superbowl is conceivable and a worthy quest.
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
by spock on May 20, 2008 4:06 AM MDT 0 recs
First Fan
Yeah I’ve been known to bottle up what I feel inside. Can you tell?
Don’t even get me started on the Gayders.
Bill Williamson is a gelatinous tub of goo. Al Davis eats his own poop.
by kwool79 on May 22, 2008 5:45 PM MDT 0 recs
We might ned a lot of couches.
I notice Broncofanstuckinsd is talking about a bust. Perhaps he was weaned too early, thus the avatar.
Nothing is at last sacred but the integrity of our own mind. - Emerson
by firstfan on
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