Just how good are the new guys?
We have an underlying discussion going on at MHR that hasn't yet had a devoted story. When some names get brought up, we either rally to the player's defense or express some concern. Let's devote a post to the dicussion and have it out.
There are 5 positions on the team that (likely) have potential new starters, and six players. SAF may feature a new name (McCree or Manuel), but I would call the odds of this happening "even" to "less than likely".
As a part of The Quest, let's take a moment to focus on our newest players that have better than even chances of starting. The longer serving players may have a better formulation of what The Quest is, but it is the internalization by the new players that may take up to 5 spots on the roster that may make a substantial impact.
The positions, and the players I'm talking about, are:
MLB - K2 (or Niko)
In my camp are the folks that point to Seatle's love affair with the MLB who could have been a starter if it wasn't for who was starting in front of him already. A special teams standout, this guy was a team captain even though he was a back up. His speed is a key strength.
Those with concerns will point out that he was never a starter, and may not be able to shed blockers if our DTs are not improved.
SAM - Boss
Some folks will point out that Boss is a true SAM specialist, has the speed and build to match with elite TEs, and gains from having his own brother on the team.
Those with concerns might point out Boss's injury history, and may consider the family connection to be a disadvantage.
DT - DRob
Some may point out that DRob was never built to play NT in the NYJ's 3-4, and that he is a much better match for Denver. They might add that he has only missed 3 games in his career. At worst, his trade doesn't cost Denver anything if he's a bust, and not much more if he works out.
The most apt criticism of DRob is his medical report, which indicates he should be missing games he hasn't.
LT - Clady
Most folks like the idea of bringing in Clady. But how good will he be in his rookie year? Some think that he has an edge, having already played in a ZB system, and being the top (or near the top) OT in the draft, depending on whos board you look at. Denver claims that he was the #1 OT on their board, and seems to already have the trust (barring a camp downfall) in him to start.
Despite the fact that Foster was never really a fit for Denver's system, many will recall the dissapointment of the Foster pick high in the draft. Perhaps a more reasonable concern is wondering just how good a rookie OL can be in the Denver system without a couple of years to learn.
WR - Jackson / Colbert
A lot of MHR readers lean to the Jackson camp, though both Jackson and Colbert get mentioned elsewhere as potential starters. Chronic turf toe has hampered Jackson in the past, and Colbert's let down season in '07 gets blamed (by Colbert) on QB injuries and turnover.
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As a starting point, I'll share my views on each position. Jump into the comments section and let's hash out where we all stand.
First, I have the most faith in K2 of all of the (probable new) starters. His record looks great, and the only black mark is starting behind someone who is elite. If the DTs do their jobs, I think K2 shines. If they don't, he at least gives us the option to shine in pass coverage zones.
With Boss, I lean in his favor. Effective pass rushing may keep opposing TEs in to block, allowing him to pick his assignments more easily. If the TEs are kept in check, Boss will be able to support the run or blitz. At worst, Boss faces the elite TEs in the AFC West. If injury free, he is almost a certain upgrade over Webster. I tend to believe his speed and the chemistry he adds to the team by being family with Champ is a plus.
DRob is a question mark to me. I tend to think his medical report is lessened when one considers that he's missed less games in his years than most players. I also think he fits the Denver 4-3 scheme better than the Jets 3-4. (Further, I'm thinking that he may run more 1 gap than 2). On the other hand, what has he really shown so far? My take on DRob is mixed, but I lean in his favor for reasons other than his ability. First, the trade that brought him to Denver was low risk, and has high upside potential. Second, with the addition of Powell and expected improvement from young Thomas, I think the team still shows slight improvement even if DRob himself turns out to be a bust. At worst, DRob's value is as a lottery ticket that doesn't cost much, if anything. He is an extra variable that may benefit the team.
At WR I believe that Parker and Royal have the least likely chances to start. (I do feel that Royal will be the slot receiver of the future though). The discussion is betweem Colbert and Jackson. While much has been made of Jackson at MHR, I think that Colbert is (perhaps) not getting enough notice. No less than Coach Shanahan has bragged about the Colbert acquisition, and I won't be surprised if either man gets the start. I also wouldn't be shocked (though I would be surprised) if Colbert or Jackson started at #1 this year only.
The strength at WR for Denver is the sheer depth of WRs. Marshall at 1 or 2 and Stokely at 3 ensures good play, and three decent (if not great) players help to ensure that there won't be a steep drop off. One of the three (Jackson, Colbert, or Parker) is even likely to take off (in my view). At worst, depth is assured.
I would rank my concerns as (least to most):
K2 - little to no concern
Clady - little to no concern
Jackson or Colbert - little concern (no concern as a group)
Boss - little concern
DRob - mixed to some concern
Even with DRob at the bottom of my list, I remain optimistic overall. Many of these players have something to prove, and will be surrounded by good talent who themselves have a lot to prove.
So what do you guys think? Who worries you the most or the least? Why?
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Alright...So.
D-Rob worries me with his medical condition and those knees. He may be “a 3-4 specialist” but I say what the heck, give the man a shot to play in the Denver system. I like the move and think it may light a fire under the rest of the DTs to get this run D up from 30th ranked, which should SEVERELY help Denver’s record. It can’t get any worse right? As long as the Broncos didn’t end up paying too much for D-Rob, I’m not all that rattled. The Broncos need to improve there…period.
I like Niko in the middle, but we’ll have to see how the guy does when the role is his. There’s no Tatupu ahead of him, just Niko. The key “addition” if you will is the WLB Version of D.J. Williams. Williams was actually improving in the middle but it seems like he’s a guy who thrives outside where athleticism is big and the pressure to fill the gaps and help lead the D isn’t necessarily there as much. The confidence behind the Niko move is probably the most faith-based right now. He’s a different type of player, but he may be the type that suits the MLB position.
Now to the OTHER OTHER LB spot. I think Boss can provide a good compliment to DJ’s speed on the opposite end, and we may see your earlier speed post actually come to fruition in Denver.
With Clady, you look at how “wowed” some of the guys on the team seem to be with the guy after only a few days at camp. The consensus seems to be the guy’s feet, which are rumored to be especially quick. Quick feet helps a zone blocking scheme. Clady’s only a rookie, unlike the rest of the guys on the list, so I can’t knock his presence as much as I can the others on the list. It seems like he has all the tools to be a good OL, or at least Shanahan thinks so. He does have the long arms and the quick feet.
Finally, I know a lot of people are starting to come towards the Colbert camp as he apparently hasn’t gotten “enough notice.” However, I’m a fan of Jackson from the Seattle days and even there he was never THE true number one even though he played the one spot (Colbert has never played the one but seems well suited for those quick slant routes). Personally, I feel Keary has something to prove to me, because after his brilliant rookie season, what makes you as a fan jump at this guy? He CERTAINLY had the tools in college, but injuries and QB changes have hurt this player. Jackson now has a better QB throwing to him (than in San Fran) and he might get a crack at that two position after all instead of having to play the one. I do LOVE the depth Denver brought in at WR to help guys like Stokely (not talked about as much after all the WR depth was brought on). However, I think the Marshall situation actually plays a part in this debate. Ideally I’d like to see Jackson two if Marshall can recover and be the burner we’ve seen him to be. It’s time to mature brother! Colbert has a lot to prove as a player who was great in college but struggled through the most part of his career. Then again, maybe Denver will provide the spark this guy needs to get going again.
I guess if I have to rank my “concerns” now I’d probably go (least to most):
Jackson or Colbert: If Stokely did as well as he did last season having to play the two, I think whoever wins out will do fairly well. PLUS, the depth Denver brought in helps these guys cases and my confidence as well. When you look at these guys you also have to consider names like Parker, Royal, and other battling for a spot. Because of what Denver did this off-season I don’t have too much to worry about there and thus will divert my “worry” to other facets of this team.
Niko: I am confident about DJ’s move back to weak side linebacker. Although, the bouncing back and forth between positions has to be real fun for a player. Niko seems like a smart guy in the middle and as long as he plays the position fundamentally well, he can help open up lanes for the speed of the outside guys. I don’t know if this guy’s the leader at MLB and he’s pretty much an unknown quantity, but I don’t feel all that bad here.
Clady: The guy’s got a lot of good words coming his way and is only a rookie. We’ll see what this big body can do when the competition rolls around. Even if he gets beat out I feel he provides some darn good depth.
Boss: Some concern here because of his apparent “bust-like” status in D-Town, but Boss is on a much better team now AND playing with his brother.
D-Rob: I guess you gotta go with D-Rob last because of all the concerns swirling around him, and his injuries and what not, but I still feel pretty good about the guy helping a bit to ease concerns about the running game D.
by phantom818 on May 27, 2008 10:38 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Great thoughts all!
I’ll add that I don’t think of DRob as a 3-4 specialist. I think he is closer to being a 1 gap 4-3 DT (or even a Phillips System NT) than a NYJs Fairbanks System NT. I think he will do better in Denver, but the question is “how much better”. He’ll need to show improvement to be a regular starter.
Jackson sure looks like the potential starter if his turf toe doesn’t hurt him. I think that he’s a threat against zones even if slowed a little. Clady and Colbert stand out to me because they were both praised by Shanahan before the players even arrived for camp.
Again, thanks for the many and solid thoughts!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on May 27, 2008 12:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I almost said the same thing
about D-Rob not being a 3-4 specialist. I also opined that Thomas will eventually replace him, if indeed he doesn’t do it this year, as our primary two-gap player. What I’m wondering is, if on a given play one of the two DTs plays two-gap, is it usually the one on the weakside or can it be either? If the former, and if Thomas turns out to have significant two-gap ability, would that mean he’d likely be the starter on the right side? I’m not ruling out Powell but don’t think we should expect him to set the world on fire, even as primarily
a running-down specialist, as a rookie.
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
by spock on May 27, 2008 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
A 2 gap can play either, but it depends on the situation too.
You can use two 2 gaps, or two 1 gaps. When a team uses one of each it depends on the situation.
When paired together, the 2 gap typically demands double teaming. Thus he gets the burden of holding off two OLmen, while the 1 gap player gets the glory for many of the tackles and sacks.
Often the 2 gap plays the right DT. (Remember, right and left are from the defense’s view of the field when discussing defense). This is because the R-DT compensates for the R-DE, who is typically the team’s pass rush specialist (and a one gapper). Sometimes the 2 gap plays the left side, especially if the defense is getting gashed by the run on the strong side. This isn’t best in most cases though, since the team should already have a stronger DE on the strong side, as well as a stronger SAM and help from the SS.
I’m guessing that Thomas will play R-DT, with DRob getting the nod at L-DT. I’m expecting DRob to play primarily as a 1 gap player, and to line up at 3 tech (on the RG’s right shoulder). I’m expecting Thomas to play a mix of 1 and 2 gap, lining up at 1 or 2 techs (OC’s left shoulder or LG’s right shoulder) depending on how effective the opposition’s run is and whether the play is expected to be pass or run.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on May 27, 2008 2:46 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks to you, HT
I are learning stuff. I was even picturing the right DT lining up at 1 or 2 tech, off the C or LG, right where you indicated. I was also thinking the two-gapper is more often on the right, or weakside, but thanks to your explanation I now have a better sense of why. That the right DT playing two-gap helps free up the weakside DE is something that hadn’t occurred to me. I’m glad I’m not totally out in left field in suspecting that Thomas will play at right DT. It made sense but I wanted to get your expert opinion. All this detailed background info you’re offering is giving me a sugar rush.
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
by spock on May 27, 2008 4:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Analysis by position
If you look at these five players from positional standpoint things seem a little clearer to me.
WR – regardless of who wins the battle between Colbert, Parker and Jackson or Stokely and Royal, our WR corps is much stronger than last year.
LB – we all agree DJ did a yeoman’s job in the middle. Bronco Billy’s post on where his tackles were made really show that he is not only more suited for weak side but will actually thrive in it. Therefore, even if K2 is somewhat less than we hoped for (which I doubt seriously), we will still have an improvement in the middle. With no knock on Webster, in fact I think he did a good job stepping up as a back-up, Boss’s speed will pay immediate dividends. So once again, or LB corps is much stronger than last year.
DT – This is similar to MLB. Even if DRob does not pan out all the way, the addition of Powell and the continued improvement of Thomas make us stronger than last year.
In summary, I see improvement all around.
What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us. - Raplh Waldo Emerson
by firstfan on May 27, 2008 11:42 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with all three of your thoughts.
Do you feel Clady will get of to a reasonably good start? I’m thinking he will, but he doesn’t have to. Just being in the position and learning in his first year pushes other good players into tighter competition for the other OL positions. Not a bad place to be in for Denver at all.
While I (and I think many of us) were focused on improving specific positions, Denver approached FA and the draft by increasing depth. Now Denver is more immune to the dangers from injuries, and competition for existing spots is increased. Hats off to management for a clever approach! Add in savings against the cap, as well as improvements in character, and I think we are in great shape.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on May 27, 2008 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The character issue
is really huge with me. I know I sound like a broken record butI I am very pleased with what we have done this reloading season. Your comment on Clady is exactly what we need. It would be great if he could get off to a phonominal start, but he doesn’t have to!With all the comments about his good footwork, I seems as if he will fall right in line with the “dancing bears”.
What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us. - Raplh Waldo Emerson
by firstfan on May 27, 2008 6:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree 100% with your description of free agency
As spock points out below, it wasn’t that long ago when we were taking a long hard look at Kircus for serious playing time.
It shouldn’t be that easy to make your way onto a pro roster, and the competition established with the 36 new faces should go a long way towards insuring the longterm health (from a success standpoint) of this team….
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by Jeremy Bolander on May 27, 2008 8:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially, I think, because...
...most of these pick-ups are in the “lost generation” gap caused by some poor drafts in the past. Now we can look to a smoother transition in the next few years as older players retire. Even if the Broncos don’t return to elite status, they should remain a solid team for the next several years. If I were the other AFC West teams, I’d be a little concerned. The Broncos are not going to be an automatic check mark in the win column.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on May 29, 2008 3:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
New Players
K2 is the addition I’m least concerned about. Phantom, you’re not sure he’ll be the leader at MLB, but he was a leader for the Seahawks, as evidenced by being a team captain, even though he wasn’t a starter. That tells me all I need to know. I think he’ll thrive in Denver. D.J. is more talented but doesn’t have the personality to be the “holler guy” in the middle, and was playing out of position. With K2 we have a guy who’s at his natural position, who’s tough as nails, who’s obviously a good tackler, since he was their best ST player, and who frees up D.J. to be brilliant on the outside.
I’m also pretty confident in our WR corps, regardless of who starts. In fact, my biggest concern at the moment is Marshall. Jackson looks better on paper, but Shanny must have seen something to like Colbert so much. Just a few years ago we had a bunch of scrubs competing for the number 2 spot. Now we have solid talent.
Robertson hadn’t quite played up to expectations, perhaps because of his knee, even before being moved to nose tackle, but a number four overall who’s been good but not great is still a clear upgrade over anybody we have. His toughness is evident, and he’s coming back to the 4-3 to which he’s more suited. That’s apparently why he chose Denver over Cincy, and was willing to compromise on salary with us but not them. Not only will he be back at his natural position, I think Denver will use him in a way that maximizes his impact. Also, and this is just a hunch, I think eventually Thomas will be moved to the weakside and get more of the two-gap assignments.
That Clady is this far down my list is primarily because he’s a rookie. People are thrilled about his quick feet but we already knew about that. That’s why we drafted him. What we don’t know, quick feet and all, is how well he’ll handle game speed at the next level. High-draft-pick offensive linemen are less likely to go bust than some other positions, but until we’re fairly deep into position battles we won’t know for sure. By the way, HT, you touted Pears when I wasn’t so sure, and Shanahan throwing him against Clady sure makes you look good. It suggests he thinks they’re his two best players at that position.
Boss is the addition I’m least excited about, but not because I don’t think he’ll be an upgrade. I just don’t know how much of one. I’d like to know more about why he was apparently something of a disappointment in Detroit. Was it due to nagging injuries, a system into which he didn’t fit, or simply being in Detroit? I think being with Champ, in fact with Champ right behind him, will help. Perhaps my relative lack of excitement (I love all these acquisitions) is due to this being the least significant of the LB position changes. We are going to be so much better at LB. Last year we had one player in a steep decline and two others playing out of position. This year we’ve upgraded our talent
and have players at their natural positions. If we can add improved d-line play, our linebacking corps might be spectacularly better than it was last year.
Coming back to the o-line, in all my projections I have not been assuming Hamilton will be able to go. It will be a bonus if he does, but with the addition of Clady and the FAs, Nalen’s return (about which I’m more confident), and the further maturation of Pears et al, I think we’re much improved regardless. That, plus a more mature and energetic Cutler, will go a long way toward solving our red-zone ills.
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
by spock on May 27, 2008 1:38 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great stuff Spock!
Also, and this is just a hunch, I think eventually Thomas will be moved to the weakside and get more of the two-gap assignments.
Good thinking. I think Thomas will actually start on the weakside right away doing some 2 gap, with DRob on the strongside doing more 1 gap.
And like you, I’m assuming that Hamilton won’t get through the year. A concussion is a hard thing to prevent if you’ve already had one (especially one that ended an entire season). Even so, any of several players could jump in. Holland will likely have RG, and Kuper RT. This leaves Wiegmann as a good possibility, but there is still Pears, K-Lich, and Harris.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on May 27, 2008 2:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
There’s going to be 3 or 4 games won (or lost) by our kicker.
Referring to last season much? :)
It’s certainly not natural to have much confidence in that area at this point, but I think the competition during camp will give Denver a somewhat serviceable kicker who’s certainly no Elam but also no Jose Cortez…I hope :)
by phantom818 on May 27, 2008 3:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
jUST HOW GOOD IS MY NEW AVATAR?
Yeah,
This squad looks to be much improved over the last.
Bill Williamson is a gelatinous tub of goo. Al Davis eats his own poop.
by kwool79 on May 27, 2008 2:58 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I had to click on it
With these ancient mature eyes it appeared to be some guy, buck naked, urinating on phyllis’ car.
What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us. - Raplh Waldo Emerson
by firstfan on May 27, 2008 7:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
From a distance it does look like a guy at the beach. That’s better than thinking it’s a girl at a distance though, so we’re ok.
And nice use of the slash-out! You’re picking up quick!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on May 28, 2008 3:07 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can always count on Zappa
to help me with gender identification.
What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us. - Raplh Waldo Emerson
by firstfan on May 28, 2008 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I appreciate the nice firm round bootie as much as the next guy.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
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by Tim Lynch on May 28, 2008 8:04 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
But your avatar looks beter, uhmmm!
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on May 29, 2008 3:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
"better",
I hate making a spelling error.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on May 29, 2008 3:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prater
I like pretty much all of the new additions. They may not be star players (though, hopefully, Clady will become one), but they all seem solid, good-character adds to the team. I’m very happy with Shanny’s approach this year in (seemingly) adding character players. Getting rid of the poison from the locker room will help the team chemistry quite a bit.
My biggest concern is Prater (or whoever becomes our kicker). There’s going to be 3 or 4 games won (or lost) by our kicker. It’s the only position where I have no confidence and not a lot of optimism going into the season. However, with our improved offense, I expect to see more TDs in the redzone. But even still, we need a solid kicker. I only hope Prater’s strong leg can become an accurate leg.
by GaryP on May 27, 2008 3:41 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
There’s going to be 3 or 4 games won (or lost) by our kicker.
Referring to last season much? :)
It’s certainly not natural to have much confidence in that area at this point, but I think the competition during camp will give Denver a somewhat serviceable kicker who’s certainly no Elam but also no Jose Cortez…I hope :)
by phantom818 on May 27, 2008 3:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good thoughts Gary!
I think that a few games are won by STs each year. I sure hope we have the competition to make the Ks and Ps worthwhile.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on May 27, 2008 6:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
So here's what I got to say. My 2 cents.
FIRST OFF, BIG UP’S TO MHR
My take on the deal is this..I give DRob the benefit seeing as to how he really hasn’t missed any games and did a decent little job the Jets. So im good on his durabilitly. I think this’ll be a big improvement from our run defense a year ago. 30th, was it ? Can you imagin our 2ndary!? Champ and Bly eating up dem balls all day-long cause of defensive pressure?
I’m feeling all of the Bronco’s moves this offseason. As far as Boss and Champs family connection go. You KNOW having two brothers around each other is going to boost em? expecially when we winning. ahhman. Thats whats gonna make Boss better. Having big brah there by his side being compeditive, ride or die type shit. I know I would if I got to play with my brothers. So DRob. Check. Boss. Check. Niko? I don’t know yet cause he’s was under my radar. real talk. My Take.. Im Out.
..And that's good for another Cards First Down!
by AllinWithMyCards on May 27, 2008 9:43 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Good Comments
You will enjoy this site AWMC. Everyone is welcomed here (even old farts) unless you are rude or inconsiderate. I like your perspective. We agree on most. Niko is the real deal according to the Seattle fans.
What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us. - Raplh Waldo Emerson
by firstfan on May 28, 2008 2:20 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Champ is such a student of the game...
...and his work habits are top shelf. I imagine he’ll help his little brother with that kind of discipline if Boss isn’t that way already.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on May 29, 2008 3:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
good pickups
i’m good with the receiver position, whoever plays. marshall, stokely , and graham/sheff(if he’s healthy), further diminishes the importance of the #2 spot here. we’ll be fine, and the depth is excellent. if everybody is healthy, and jackson/colbert performs at #2, then we should have a very serious pass attack. i think jackson takes it and plays pretty well, colbert makes the team as the top backup, and parker gets cut in favor of royal. i see no reason not to open up the passing game this season with the receivers we have. not a concern
the o-line is a story onto itself, as many previous posts have concluded. c/g appear to be set, but that can easily change due to injury/performance in the preseason and beyond. definitely, the unit to watch. again, though, depth is excellent, but this unit seems to be fluid right now, and will take some time to settle in and jell. clady should start at LT and be good while he gains experience, but he’s not a big concern for me. keep in mind, he is still a rookie, but i love the pick. the rest of the line will have a big say in clady’s performance this season, also. pears can fill in nicely if he’s not ready, but i think he will be the better option right away, and improve greatly as the season progresses. not a concern, but some more o-line shuffling this season may set him back a bit
the ‘backers should be better than last year overall, but i do reserve caution with k2. the importance of the positon to this defense is my concern. he has to be better than average, at the least. also, in my opinion, a backup is simply not a proven starter-ask lamont jordan, for instance. it is a much different deal, especially regarding endurance. it should take him a while to adjust to everything, but he seems to have the physical tools to grow into this position. this year, i don’t know, but if ht likes him, then maybe i am in for a pleasant surprise when i see him play. i’m not too concerned about bailey, or even his backup, at the strong side. again, good depth there if he falters. he should play pretty well, though, and be an upgrade over webster, but not by much. again, overall there should be an improvement, and that is the point, right? a mild concern
d-rob. this positon still concerns me. the price is right, but i don’t believe he can be the dominant player people referring to his draft status seem to hope for. i watch the jets games here on the east coast, and he really didn’t do too well. miscast in the 3-4, didn’t miss games, yes, but it is the level of play over the course of the season i’m not thrilled with(maybe the knees). he is good, but not great. an upgrade over last season, anything is an upgrade over last years’ leftovers from the revolving door we had. if he’s our best dt, we look to be average overall here as a unit this year. he needs to play better than i have seen yet. a concern
if nk2 and d-rob play well, we are good to go. if one of them struggles in pre-season, i’m not too optimistic about a big turnaround on d this season
by davecheffy on May 28, 2008 3:33 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
One small point to add to your thoughts.
In a worst case scenario (DRob doesn’t help much), there is still a reasonable hope that Thomas continues his improvement, and that rookie Powell turns out to be a good pick. Add in McKinley as a reasonable rotational guy and we might hold our own.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on May 28, 2008 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anything other than "embarassingly bad" should be considered a turnaround compared to last season
Denver has done an amazing job this offseason spending shrewdly and staying versatile.
Keep some perspective on what Denver’s defense was last season. Remember the day Denver let Justin Fargas have? What about the Broncos’ pass rush on Brett Favre? Denver made the Texans look like the Colts for a day. Don’t forget that Denver got lit up by Tavarias Jackson and let Minnesota score 16 points with 5:21 to go in the season. Etcetera…etcetera…
Worst case scenario is that Niko and D Rob aren’t as good as we hoped. I think D Rob is proven as, at very least, an average-plus player in the 4-3. I don’t think he’ll do any worse than that. As for upside, there’s a decent chance he flourishes this year in a new system and scheme befitting his talents. As far as the Grecian Formula, Niko is more unproven. Worst case scenario for his is that he has a hard time shedding blockers and filling holes. If he really falls apart, Nate Webster is an average-minus player and can play the middle with some level of consistency (he played out of position last year).
Clady hasn’t proven anything at an NFL level, so he has the most work to do. I keep hearing that his phyical tools are some of the best that any of the other players have seen, BUT that he is taking his time adjusting to the complexity of the game and Denver’s scheme. There will be some early season slip-ups for Clady for sure, but by the bye week, I expect him to be playing at a higher level than Lepsis played at any point last year.
Boss Bailey will be fine, on his worst day, he’s average or injured or both. On his best day, he’s a dynamic force who can play on every defensive down. I expect him to fall on the “dynamic” side this season and I think we’ll see his contribution right away this season. It’s no secret that Denver couldn’t cover Tight End’s last season. I’d say that Boss might be the best in the business at doing just that.
As far as the wideouts go, I’m not sold on Samie Parker, but I think Jackson’s signing was a boon for the Broncos. I think he’ll be the Seahawks version of himself, not the 49ers version, mainly because he’s playing in an offense he likes, he’s healthy, and he’s playing for a team that’s somewhat competitive. There’s more in this old post about what I think he equates to in Denver and compares him to the worst buy in football, Javon Walker.
I think that two things will determine the wins and losses this season. One, do the draftees of 2007 contribute at a high level. Denver despearately needs Thomas, Crowder, and especially Moss, to play a lot and make a lot of plays. Ryan Harris isn’t an afterthought, but I haven’t seen enough of him yet. And two, can Denver play at a higher level in the trenches, both offensively and defensively. If the offensive line can stay fairly healthy, get Clady off and running, and get a full season from Nalen and Hamilton, there’s no reason to think that they won’t just be good, but dominant. Now, in all reality, Weigmann is gonna get some PT at one or both Guard spots, but that’s why Denver paid good money for a veratile backup.
In the end, Denver’s offensive and defensive skill position players combined level of talent is one of the highest in the league, and if the big uglies can play at an above average level in 2008, I think Denver will turn LOTS of heads.
by super7 on May 28, 2008 12:58 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
What I'm saying here is...
That unless D Rob, Niko, D Jax, and Boss all miss significant time this season due to injury, there’s NO way Denver doesn’t see a positive Return on Investment. For the amount of money laid down, they’re sure to benefit. Even if only one or 2 of those guys has a good (not even great) season, Denver’s free agent signings from 2008 will still be viewed as successful.
by super7 on May 28, 2008 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hell, even if Niko can't hack it as a starting backer..
He’ll be the best special teamer we’ve had on our team since Keith Burns was in his prime in the late 90’s.
by super7 on May 28, 2008 1:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The new guy
The thud of the kickoff rings through the stadium. The ball is in the air and the crowd holds its breath. When it comes down this fall, it’s probably coming to Eddie Royal.
Royal’s blazing 4.3 speed is already the stuff of training camp legend. The 5’8" speedster from West Virginia has an early lock on being a fixture for the return game. But how about his pass catching ability?
"Eddie’s been working with us…" Cutler said, "He looks good – got a lot of speed, gets in and out of his breaks really quick. I was surprised at his hands – I didn’t know he had such great hands… I didn’t see him drop any. Adjusts to the ball well when it’s in the air."
For the fans that see him in the slot as a faster Brandon Stokely, that’s good news. If you ask Coach Shanahan, Eddie Royal, along with Sweet Feet Ryan Clady, has stood out among the rookies.
"Well, we know he can return." Shanahan said. "Punt return, kickoff return. But I’ve been very impressed with his speed, his quickness, his hands, (his) ability to come in in the first four days, learn a position, not make many mistakes. He’s going to help our football team."
Returners who can contribute are rare. Dante Hall’s return skills seemed to diminish as he became part of the offense, and the experiment with Cleveland’s Josh Cribbs is still not over, but Cribbs 6’1" 215 lb frame is made for punishment. At 5’8" and 170 lb, can Eddie Royal handle that load?
Just ask him.
O'Brien's Law states that Murphy was an optimist.
by Emmett Smith on May 28, 2008 8:07 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

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