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The Quest: Defensive Comparison '07 vs '08

“The Quest” for me must begin with the defense.  2007 was the worst defense statistically the Broncos have fielded in a long time. At least when it comes to the most important stat, Points Allowed.  The Broncos gave up 409 points last season, only the 1-15 Miami Dolphins gave up more points in the AFC. 

In short, this defense was an embarrassment to the organization and its fans.  I want to believe that our veterans have a quiet determination and swagger this offseason that they didn’t display at the beginning of last season.  Okay, so the veterans are saying all the right things again this year.  What does that mean?  Nothing actually.  They are professionals and any company/organization wishes to portray a united front to the public.  What we need to do is to compare this year’s projected starters with last years dismal group.  And as a group, 2007 was quite dismal.

NOTE: I saw that HT had already posted a similar post over the weekend.  They say great minds think alike!   I had started writing this while I was in Lake Tahoe, no where near a computer.  Since I was already almost finished with this post I decided to go ahead and post it.  So I apologize if this comes off as redundant.  HT's post on positional comparisons is located here.

 

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Defensive End

It looks like we have finally found our long term answers are this position.  Jarvis Moss, Elvis Dumervil, and Tim Crowder should continue their progressions into becoming good, if not great, defensive ends in the NFL.  Doom has already proven he can dominate on a consistent basis, Crowder was a solid rock for us last year, and management still has high expectations for Moss.  The unit continues to improve over last season, as Ebenezer Ekuban returns also.  Overall, the once glaring hole on our defensive line is finally filling up with concrete.

2007 Grade: B

2008 Grade: B+

 

Defensive Tackle

If asked what our biggest glaring weakness last season was, what would you say?  I say it was our defensive tackle position.  The Broncos had some absurd number of players hired to play at the DT position in 2007.  I can’t recall the exact number, but I want to say it was over twenty.  Hopefully someone can give me the exact number of players signed by the Broncos to play DT in 2007.  In any case, the lack of consistency cost this team big chunks of yardage against the running game.  So who here thinks that DeWayne Robertson is 2008’s version of Sam Adams?  I never liked the Sam Adams signing as I prefer athletes to immovable objects, because even so-called immovable objects have knees that can be taken out.  I think the DRob trade may work out to our advantage, especially with a solid back-up like Carlton Powell soaking up 40% of the plays.  I am also a firm believer in Marcus Thomas, as long as he can keep his nose clean(pun intended).  In the end, I see the DT position improving enough to be above average and if players stay healthy this group could easily become quite good.  Not great, but good.  And that is all we really need from this position.

2007 Grade: F

2008 Grade: C+ (Possible B by season’s end)

 

Middle “Mike” Linebacker

I know a little more than half of you believed that the DT position was our Achilles heal last season, but the other half definitely thinks that our LB core stank last season.  In many ways I would agree, except that truly poor DT play ruins any gap assignments for the linebackers.  They are reacting to offensive plays rather than attacking the offensive plays.  That’s how I saw it last year anyways.  DJ Williams played solid at the mike spot and racked up a lot of tackles, but that belies the fact that hardly any of those tackles were for losses and many came five yards beyond the line of scrimmage.  DJ is a beast of an athlete, but he lacks true leadership skills that is necessary of a MIKE.  Enter Niko Koutouvides who was the heart and soul of the Seahawk special teams unit and is finally getting a chance to start in the NFL.  Niko is an emotional guy who has that innate ability to fire guys up to play tough football.  The question is, will he be able to duplicate his success as a leader as the mike LB for the Denver Broncos?  I am just not sold.  The guy has been bitten by the injury bug in recent years and he has never started a game in the NFL.  My hope is that he only needs to play solid fundamental football for this new unit to be successful.  We shall see.

2007 Grade: B- (DJ is gifted athletically, but the MLB has to be more of a leader)

2008 Grade: C (If Niko is the second coming of Big Al then bump this grade up to A)

 

Weakside “WILL” Linebacker

Few would disagree that Ian Gold has been a monumental disappointment since his return to Denver.  Well maybe not “monumental”, but he definitely lost a step and was a liability many times in coverage.  Getting DJ Williams back into his natural position should make a huge difference on this defense. Especially when the defensive plays call for complex blitzes and zone coverage schemes.  I predict he will be a real terror this season and we won't be seeing very many tight ends streaking down the seam for a TD pass with #52 clutching at ghosts.  The improvement made on this position is a no-brainer.

2007 Grade: D+ (Ian Gold should go talk to Crazy Al, no doubt a big payday awaits!)

2008 Grade: A+ (DJ Williams should be a perennial Pro Bowler in his natural position)

 

Strongside “SAM” Linebacker

This position was probably our most glaring weakness, aside from DT, last season.  Nate Webster just couldn’t get the job done and was consistently hitting the wrong gaps and giving up huge plays by the opposing running backs.  To his credit, I noticed major improvements from Webster towards the end of the season.  It was his play early and in the middle of the season that drove me to never want to see him in the starting lineup again.  I think that might be overly harsh though, after all, the guy played in an unfamiliar position and gave it his all on every play.  I can’t really fault him for not grasping the half dozen different systems we toyed with in 2007(only a minor exaggeration there!).  I think he has a place on this football team and he could contribute greatly as a solid backup and special teamer.  The upgrade at this position comes in the form of one Boss Bailey.   Boss has been bitten by the injury bug over the past few years and his best season was, by far, his rookie season.  He hasn’t even started in all 16 games since that rookie year.  Hopefully the change in scenery and having his brother nearby will energize him to play well for us.  Other than that hope, I wouldn’t expect too much from Boss and it appears he will end up just being an average player for us.  Unfortunately, average is still an upgrade over last season.

2007 Grade: F

2008 Grade: C- (Too many IF’s involved with Boss Bailey to grade any higher)

 

Cornerback

If there is one thing that Shanny learned early in this decade was that the NFL is now a passer's league.  No team can be successful without a solid pass defense.  He has that in Champ Bailey and Dre' Bly.   Those two struggled at times last season as both were trying to adjust to new systems and both gave up a number of big pass plays that cost the Broncos in a bad way.  I fully expect both to rebound like veteran pro bowlers normally rebound after a rough season.  Champ doesn't like playing second fiddle to other corner's out there and expect a big season from him.  Bringing in Jack Williams helps to solidify our long term needs at the position as either Karl Paymah or Domonique Foxworth will be gone this time next season.  This unit improves if only to improve upon their own individual play.  The Broncos pass defense should continue to be top rate.

2007 Grade: C+

2008 Grade: A

 

Safety

Last season we saw just how thin we were at Safety.  Shanny relied too much on the venerable John Lynch.  Lynch gets discounted by thousands of Madden addicts and each year he comes out and turns in another solid Pro Bowl season.  I know Lynch's days are numbered, but I've see his workout during the offseason and only Jerry Rice's offseason workout seemed more physical and punishing.  I think John Lynch could theoretically play another two seasons barring any major injuries, so don't count him out after this season either!  He will be our starter in the box.  I know many around the blogosphere think he is only going to be a situational player, but his football smarts and superior instinct will keep him in the game for a majority of the plays this season.  Although, having Marlon McCree coming in as a backup is fantastic.  The depth here in 2008 as opposed to 2007 is almost like the difference between day and night.   As for the coverage safety we will be relying upon, it really is wide open as to who will be starting.  Marquand Manuel, Hamza Abdullah, and Josh Barrett will compete ferociously for the starting job.  It has been said that McCree lacks the speed to be effective in coverage, but with such a weak cast at the FS position he might get consideration there as well.  My hope is that Josh Barrett proves he has the speed and agility to cover from this position, the guy looks good in college film, but college and pro football is also day and night in its differences.

2007 Grade: C (Without Lynch that defense breaks records for run yardage given up)

2008 grade: B (The depth alone improves this grade, but huge question marks remain)

 

Conclusion

This 2008 defensive roster leaves a lot to be desired in my opinion.  I am a pretty optimistic guy, even delusional optimism at times, but I just see too many so-called "ifs" to be truly excited about our 2008 prospects defensively.   I refer you to the all important IF questions as lamented in Jon Tollerud's recent post

Is Niko the real deal?  Will DRob's knees hold up?  Can Jarvis Moss remain healthy?  What kind of play at safety are we going to get?  Boss Bailey?

I just don't know.  All I do know is that anything will be better than the 2007 performance.  My overall grade for 2008 is a B, as in Better than 2007!

2007 Overall Grade: D

2008 Overall Grade: B

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If our overall defensive grade in 2007 was a D, how would you project our grade for 2008?
  • A
  • B
  • C
  • D
  • F

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For what it's worth...

...Zappa shot me an e-mail letting me know he had just written a nearly identical article. I wrote him back that I don’t have a lock an any subject at MHR. I’m glad he put his article up. It’s got a different flavor than mine, and is terrific!

And there’s a good lesson in this for everyone. If you are thinking of writing a post (or even if you aren’t) and you see a post that gives you some food for thought, GO AHEAD AND WRITE A POST! Don’t worry about being redundant. Tip your hat to the previous author (as Zappa did), and write your thoughts. There’s plenty of room at MHR for several articles on the same subjects. As you can see, Zappa and I wrote identical articles, but they approach the same topic in different ways and are both good reads (if I do say so myself).

We all look forward to reading what you have to say!

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on May 28, 2008 3:57 PM MDT   0 recs

Thank you sir...

I decided it was different enough. You covered the whole enchilada…I only took issue with the big D.

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Win the Division. WIN THE DIVISION!

by Zappa on May 28, 2008 4:08 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Several thoughts

1. DE; I would go from A- to A

2. Agree on DT

3. MLB drops from an A to B

4. WILL (I would credit Gold even after his return from TB, just not in 2007).

5. SAM I think we bump up to a B. Webster (as you point out) improved from terrible to decent, and I think Boss will do fine.

6. CB – improvements in the front seven and at SAF should help the CBs very much. (By the way, I’m working on an article about the CBs in the AFC West. I think that between DEN, SD, and oak we may have 6 of the top 20 CBs in the NFL playing at the #1 and #2 positions).

7. SAF – C to B is a pretty good improvement. I agree with the grades here.

In sum, I think your grades are dead on (I too voted for a jump to B overall, though I would rate last year’s defense as an F+).

Again, great article!

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on May 28, 2008 4:13 PM MDT   0 recs

I didn't give MLB an A..it is a C+, only an A if Niko becomes the second coming of Big Al. ;)

I had to give 2007 a D for Dismal…after all this is a family oriented website, and there is only one word I could think of that started with F that aplty described our defensive performance last season. ;)

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Win the Division. WIN THE DIVISION!

by Zappa on May 28, 2008 4:17 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I give the 2007 MLB a better grade.

DJ did manage to have the second most tackles in the NFL, and the most in the AFC. That should count for something, I think.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on May 28, 2008 4:29 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Which is why DJ got the better grade...but if I may point out, most of those tackles

we beyond the line of scrimage. I’ll take 50 tackles within a yard of the line, to 150 tackles 5 yards beyond. ;)

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Win the Division. WIN THE DIVISION!

by Zappa on May 28, 2008 4:33 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

As long as the other 100

aren’t going the distance. :)

"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen

by spock on May 28, 2008 11:25 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

You got me there...

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Win the Division. WIN THE DIVISION!

by Zappa on May 29, 2008 7:28 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

There is a reason we have Training Camp

Some of the improvements could be larger than projected, some less. There will likely be injuries. Training camp will be very telling. I hope we can vote again in late August. Thanks Zappa for the post. ht and you both put up excellent posts and give reason for optimism.

Another factor to consider is how the performance of one unit, DT for example, can affect the team. An improvement in play of our DTs can allow our LBs to attack more and react less. It can allow our SAF to play deeper rather than in the box every down which then allows CB to make more chances resulting in more interceptions. Thus, the improvement of the DT from F to C can allow the entire defense to go from D to C with no other upgrades.

I am optimistic.

What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us. - Raplh Waldo Emerson

by firstfan on May 28, 2008 5:06 PM MDT   0 recs

polling galore! I love it!

Wasn’t that a character in a James Bond movie?

What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us. - Raplh Waldo Emerson

by firstfan on May 28, 2008 5:35 PM MDT   0 recs

I believe that was "pussy"

sEE MY AVATAR.

Bill Williamson is a gelatinous tub of goo. Al Davis eats his own poop.

by kwool79 on May 28, 2008 5:50 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Absolutely right...

...the character’s name was Pussy Galore. Loved the old James Bond movies.

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on May 29, 2008 3:33 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

One issue...

Here is the big issue, what schemes are we going to be running. You can have all the talent in the world but if the D-coordinator has your players running around the field like a bunch of old blind men at a schuffle board tournament you are screwed. I do think we have better depth this year.

I’m not willing to say our DE have improved yet. I love Doom though.
If our DTs got any worse we would be playing for a colorado state championship not the superbowl.

I think our LB situation has improved. I’m bi-polar when it comes to Boss… Some days I love him and I am really excited other days I am worried. We’ll have to wait to pre-season to see.

If our CBs don’t have to double back this year to stop the run then they will definately be more productive and we will be able to utilize Champ and Dre for thier true talents.

I think Lynch will have a break out year and we may see some interesting rotations at safety during the preseason.

If last year our defense was a D, right now I give it a C+ with the potential for B+ bassed on how we use our talent on the field and how well the team jells and if we finally get a leader on the defense. I really want our D to refind it’s own identity on this team again.

by ThorpeBroncosfan on May 28, 2008 11:03 PM MDT   0 recs

Yea...the scheme is everything. But with Slowik calling the shots, that means any Bates

schemes has been burned and thrown away. Slowik worked under Coyer, so we should see a return to our old style…which I wont be complaining about anytime soon. ;)

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Win the Division. WIN THE DIVISION!

by Zappa on May 28, 2008 11:13 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Thorpe / Zappa

I am confident we won’t run a contain system this year. I don’t know what we’re going to run yet (I’m thinking Coyer’s Show Blitz or Lebeau’s Zone Blitz), but I’ll be all over it for the MHR readership as soon as I figure it out.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on May 29, 2008 1:42 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Yea, I have long ago jumped off the "blame Coyer" bandwagon.

I wish we could get him back now. lol Hopefully Slowik will bring something similar to the table and tweak it a little and make it better. Slowik seems to be more compromising than Coyer was. That was my only major crux against Coyer was that he rarely made halftime adjustments or any adjustments for that matter.

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Win the Division. WIN THE DIVISION!

by Zappa on May 29, 2008 2:00 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Agree

Every coach has weaknesses, and Coyers was adjustments. Frankly, I had the same problem (but at least I was aware of it). I always had assist. coaches assigned to watch for certain issues (ie line match-ups) during a game to keep me aware of what needed to be tweaked. I wasn’t good at seeing everything (I would get focused on some areas, and miss others). My assist. coaches did a great job bringing me the info, and I adjusted based in large part on what they were seeing.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on May 29, 2008 2:28 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Coyer would still be here if he had learned how to do that.

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Win the Division. WIN THE DIVISION!

by Zappa on May 29, 2008 4:01 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Regardless of the system

Do you think we will be able to stop the run this year without bringing up a safety every play?

What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us. - Raplh Waldo Emerson

by firstfan on May 29, 2008 6:52 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I would guess

that we start with the safety up, and hopefully can drop him back by the end of the game (and probably replace him (lynch) with McCree).

Game to game will be a constant effort to drop that safety back with consistency.

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by styg50 on May 29, 2008 8:32 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I would hope we drop back both safeties...

...but I’m a little worried that Mike want to play a SS closer to scrimmage regardless of system. It may take a dominant run defense (perhaps over a couple of years) for Mike to change, but I could be very wrong. I HATE the concept of putting SSs in the box so much of the time.

I hope our front seven shuts down the run enough for Mike to let the SS be a SS.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on May 30, 2008 1:14 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

hmm, I always thought the FS was the one in the box...

thank you for clearing that up for me. I am not sure how I got those two position backwards.

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Win the Division. WIN THE DIVISION!

by Zappa on May 30, 2008 2:27 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I changed the post to reflect my error...

I think it is Madden’s fault. Lynch is listed as a FS in the game, so I assumed FS was the guy down in the box.

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Win the Division. WIN THE DIVISION!

by Zappa on May 30, 2008 2:29 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

reflect my error? lol I mean correct my error.

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Win the Division. WIN THE DIVISION!

by Zappa on May 30, 2008 2:29 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

In fairness to you

Lynch has been listed as a FS on the roster too (not just Madden, though I wouldn’t know about Madden). Oddly, despite the title, he has been playing as a SS.

The title of FS might be used (in this case) because there is a notion in football that the FS is the “superior” safety. He may get the title as a sign of respect from the coaching staff. But he certainly hasn’t lined up (nor played) as a FS.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on May 30, 2008 2:44 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, thanks for the clarification, I fixed my stupidity in the original post.

Interesting to know that though.

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Win the Division. WIN THE DIVISION!

by Zappa on May 30, 2008 3:32 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Grading the Defense

Nice piece, Zappa. I enjoyed both your post and HT’s for different reasons. They’re complementary rather than redundant. My first thought, when scanning your grades, was that your overall grade was higher than your individual grades justified, do I tried a little experiment. I assigned numerical values: A=10, B=8, C=6, D=4, and F=2. For plusses and minuses I added or subtracted half a point. For DE, DT, CB, and SA I multiplied by two, since each designation refers to two positions. Adding together the numerical values for your grades, 17 for DE, 13 for DT, 6 for Mike, 10.5 for Will, 5.5 for Sam, 20 for CB, and 16 for SA, gives us a total of 88, which divided by 11 gives 8 exactly. B on the nose. So my impression was wrong and your overall score perfectly matched your aggregated individual grades.

Doing the same for your 2007 grades yielded an even bigger surprise. I thought your D was too generous. I was thinking more like F, and voted C for this year because I was thinking a big jump from really bad to league average sounded about right. That plus an improved scoring offense would more or less justify the 11-5 record I’m predicting, whereas a B in that context would suggest more like 12-4 or 13-3. But compared to your positional grades your overall D turns out to be pessimistic. The total is 73, which gives an average of 6.6, or C+.

Now that doesn’t sound quite right, because I don’t think we were slightly better than average last year, so I’m going to go position by position and compare your grades to mine, and see what my own positional and overall grades are. (I haven’t already done this, so we are live!) Before I do that, though, I want to note some considerations that will affect my grades. First, our run defense improved over the course of the season, but at the expense of pass defense. The fact that we didn’t give up a lot of passing yards is misleading, because teams didn’t need to pass. More telling is the ratio of opponents’ passes to TDs. I don’t remember where I saw this, but I believe only Miami was worse. In trying to shore up our run defense we made our pass defense one of the worst in the league. Second, the DE’s most important, or at least most visible job is rushing the passer, but I don’t think they should be given a pass (pun intended) on their run defense responsibilities. Third, the secondary’s primary responsibility is the pass, but their pass coverage undoubtedly suffered from having to focus so much on the run. I’m not sure how to factor that in, but thought it shoud be mentioned.

Starting at DE, I’d say C+ at RDE and D at LDE. Doom wasn’t strong enough against the run to be a three-down lineman, but we had little choice. His grade suffers because he wasn’t that good against the run (even if we base his grade more on pass rushing) and because he wore down and got fewer sacks during the second half of the season. I think he’ll be better against the run this year, and maybe spectacular as a rusher, but it wouldn’t hurt to back him up with someone whose abilities complement his. I could see putting Crowder behind Doom and Moss behind Ekuban. That way we’d have a runstopper getting most of the snaps on the strong side and a pash rusher on the weak side, with a strongside pass rusher or a weakside runstopper coming in on obvious passing or running downs. For the coming year I’d guess RDE for a B+ and LDE for a C.

At DT I’m not sure if Thomas was playing the left side or the weakside, but wherever it was I think we improved to a D+ by the end of the season. At the other side: F. This year I think Thomas’s position will improve to C+ and the other, with D-Rob starting, also to C+. I’m trying to be realistic rather than pie-in-the-sky.

For Mike in 2007 I’m torn between B+ and A-, but all those tackles tell me D.J. did a remarkable job for a guy playing out of position. Make it A-. Most people’s image of him is based on his early season struggles and not the vastly improved player he was by season’s end. Gold wasn’t bad in 2006 but declined precipitously in 2007, so I give Will an F. Webster gets a D-, because he did improve some. He, too, was playing out of position. For this year I’m projecting A+ for Will – D.J.’s that good – C+ for Mike, and C+ for Sam.

I’m going to predict an A for Champ after a B last year. That might be conservative because he might feel he has something to prove, and an improved front seven will help him do it. I scored Bly a C+ for last year and project a B+ for 2008. I see Lynch going from a B- to a B+ in his final year. Finally, at the other safety I see us going from a C- to a C.

Now to add the scores up. For 2008 I get a total of 84 divided by 11 for 7.6, or B-. That’s higher than I expected. For 2007 I get 59.5 divided by 11 for 5.4, or C-. That’s way higher than I expected and not far from Zappa’s grade. But maybe it’s not so odd, after all. At this link we can see that the Broncos ranked 28th in points allowed, at 25.6, but 19th in yards given up, at 336.0 per game. Click on “offense” and the stats tell the same story. We ranked 11th in yards per game, at 346.3, but only 21st in points scored, at 20.0 per game. We played worse than our stats on both sides of the ball. On paper we really were about a C- defense. If we improve to B- this year the improvement on the scoreboard might be even better than what that one-grade jump suggests. Last year neither defense nor offense was as good as the sum of its parts. If we’re better this year not only at individual positions but in terms of cohesiveness, the Broncos could be a huge surprise in 2008.

"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen

by spock on May 28, 2008 11:23 PM MDT   0 recs

Awesome analysis!

I noticed that most of my grades for 2007 were above the D mark, but when you take a look at the entirety of the season and grade the overall performance of the defense, I think D is a generous grade. I think that the individual positions played well, but as a unit they played horribly. Still, I never thought to assign values to my grades. lol

I missed that stats about yardage compared to points. That is the most telling tale in my opinion. If we can match the yardage to points then this team could easily go 13-3…the defense doesn’t need to be anything more than average for us to win games if our offense really starts to put up the points.

You know, I think our scoring would have been a lot similar if I hadn’t made a conscience effort to be a little more generous to the 2007 squad. After all, they did have to learn two whole systems in the middle of the season and tried their best to implement both. They still sucked though…D is my official grade, points added up or not…that unit played no better than a D for dismal.

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Win the Division. WIN THE DIVISION!

by Zappa on May 29, 2008 7:39 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Fwiw (Spock / Zappa)

I think that sometimes an overall grade doesn’t have to be the sum of individual parts. We had some good and bad play at individual positions, but that can be misleading when evaluating as a team.

When discussing the Broncos and making grades, I don’t average grades either for the total result.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on May 29, 2008 1:46 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

DJ's tackle-mania

was only a result of the DT’s letting people get through. The top-3 tackle-leaders from last year was from pretty bad Run-D’s. Willis of the 49’ers and Damn,-what’s-his-name from Carolina. DJ isn’t neccesarily a fit on MIKE – Patrick Ramsey would have piled up tackles at MIKE last year.

Remember: New England won 18 last year; Oakland's won 19 in a half-decade
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by Claus Vestergaard on May 29, 2008 2:38 AM MDT   0 recs

I tend to agree...which is why his tackle total only influenced my grading a little bit.

B- is more than fair for him racking up 140 tackles….hell, most of them occured 5 yards past the line of scrimmage. I still think he might be better than Niko at the position athletically…but Niko is probably a better leader.

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Win the Division. WIN THE DIVISION!

by Zappa on May 29, 2008 7:41 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Zappa I was looking for a crazy optimistic post from you

but I think this is actually pretty close to what I’d project. Your grades of last season are also fairly accurate. Yes, there are always those dreaded “IFs,” but either way, I think we’ll at least see somewhat of an improvement this season.

by phantom818 on May 29, 2008 7:52 AM MDT   0 recs

I made the mistake of being crazy optimistic last year...I am cautiously optimistic this year...

I still think we go 13-3 though!! lol As for the IFs, I think the IFs work in our favor this year. The Broncos don’t have bad karma like the faders do. ;)

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Win the Division. WIN THE DIVISION!

by Zappa on May 29, 2008 7:56 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Jim Bates

Jim Bates was a huge part of the problem last year. He couldn’t judge personnel (Sam Adams) and the D was never on the same page. Champ Bailey went from ten or so INT’s in 06 to none in 07. That’s because Bates couldn’t coach.

by bradley on May 29, 2008 10:29 AM MDT   0 recs

I wouldn't exactly say he couldn't coach...I think it was more of a personel issue.

Our guys are strong in certain systems…the Bates system just wasn’t feasible with our personel. But don’t get me wrong, I am glad he is gone too! lol

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Win the Division. WIN THE DIVISION!

by Zappa on May 29, 2008 10:44 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed.

Bates is actually an awesome coach. His system was let down by personnel (in my opinion). He wasn’t the right person for our current players, and the FAs we brought in were mostly busts. His record is impressive; he just wasn’t right for Denver at all.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on May 29, 2008 1:52 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

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