Off-Season Battles: Not Another Depth Post!
Jon and Styg have done great jobs with their fan posts projecting the roster: jobs I could only dream about myself. However, in this post I aim to jump-start the discussion and debate concerning the Broncos “toeing the line” this off-season. I’ll highlight a few important positions in terms of competition and the players battling each other to make the roster. Arguments for starting positions can come another day. I plan to examine the general consensus thus far and look at those players who might soon enter the realm of the ex-Bronco. Where are the battles at this early?
First we’ll start with the offense. The Broncos made some great acquisitions at wide receiver in the reloading season, and it’s only fair to expect that all of the said acquisitions earn a spot on the roster. That spells the end for a player like Glenn Martinez. Martinez did take back a kick for a touchdown against the Titans, but the twenty-six year old player fumbled the rock three times in 2007, losing one. Martinez didn’t have to shoulder much of a load last season despite the Walker injury and hauled in fourteen passes for 175 yards. Both Martinez and the man he’s battling (Samie Parker) seem capable of handling punt return duties. HOWEVER, a new rookie by the name of Eddie Royal may render their efforts not needed. If Martinez doesn’t beat out Parker – which seems to be the agreement here at MHR – is he worth a look for the practice squad?

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Unfortunately it looks like our friend Mike Bell might not be in Denver come this fall. The recent addition of Michael Pittman could spell the end for this back. Bell averaged 4.3 yards per carry and rushed for 677 total yards his rookie season before the move to fullback the following year. Bell has been a victim of “too many cooks in a kitchen” at running back.
Also, some folks at the report have left Andre Hall off of their fifty-three-man roster. Hall did a decent job on kick returns and also averaged nearly five yards a carry on forty-four attempts. In his only game as a starter last season, Hall rushed for 98 yards and a touchdown. He also hauled in two passes for a sixty-nine yard total. Pittman’s presence doesn’t necessarily change the back situation in Denver. The guy has played fullback before and can play the position for Denver next season. Pittman should do well, but I’ll bet a few guys in camp became a little apprehensive when they first read the news of his arrival.
The Broncos can’t keep more than six backs…right? With Pittman in town, nine backs now compete for a few spots on the roster. This is where Bronco fans will see one of the more heated competitions of the off-season. Styg mentioned the possibility of “stashing” a back on IR, which would be a pretty crafty possibility and could be smart, depending on what the Broncos are willing to risk. Unproven rookies make this mix of backs and competition even more intriguing. Peyton Hillis seems a sure shot to make the roster as more of a “true fullback” than past Broncos and Cecil Sapp realistically looks to get the start based on past experience. However, don’t count Pittman out: wherever he plays. I think the only guy safe right now is Selvin Young, who looks to be doing what it takes to get better, add muscle, and respond to his critics. True, Travis Henry will be probably be the starter, that is, unless he continues to ride his injuries downhill (then look for a seat on the IR). Lots of guys will compete for a small number of spots at the running back position.


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Those two spots seem to be the big ones on offense. The quarterback position is set and Mustard doesn’t seem to factor into to the tight end picture next season. On the offensive line, the issue seems to be more about sorting the players in a depth chart rather than deciding who makes the roster or not. Who makes the roster on the O-line isn’t much of an issue, because Broncos fans seem to already know who will be there come the end of the summer. Fans still don’t know who’s going to start, but there’s a general feeling that a certain ten guys will make the cut. The practice squad provides a further outlet for any extra linemen.
Let’s move over to the defensive side of the ball now. The defensive tackle spot doesn’t seem to project too much of a battle. The problem with this season’s prospective DTs is the amount of improvement they’ll be charged with making. Not everyone is confident that Robertson can hold up in the long run. Most people consider Carlton Powell a member of the Denver Broncos already, and the last of four players who may factor into the rotation at the tackle position. Outside of those four (Robertson, McKinley, Thomas, and Powell) there isn’t one guy who fans will say really gives this group a run for its money.
How many ends the Broncos decide to keep depends on what the team does in other areas this off-season. An issue that may come down to the last month or so is the battle at defensive end. As recent draft picks and blossoming young stars, Jarvis Moss and Tim Crowder don’t seem to be going anywhere any time soon. Elvis Dumervil should also make the roster without a doubt. Where the one subtle disagreement – if you can call it that – seems to lie is the Engelberger/Ekuban debate. Both remaining members of the Browncos line have played pretty well of late. Ekuban in particular had a great seven-sack season for the Broncos in 2006. He’d be a near shoo-in if not for a torn ACL suffered during a pre-season game last year.
Ebenezer is recovering nicely and Engelberger didn’t necessarily have a bad season last year. As styg said, “no one ever thinks he will be around, and he is always around.” In terms of the position battles on this roster, I don’t see this one ranking all that highly. This “DE Battle” may not even be an issue at all, but I figured I’d bring it up after seeing the difference of opinion on the boards. I guess the number of D-Ends kept comes down to the number of available spots after the first few cuts.
The Broncos do have a lot of players at linebacker though, but it looks like the Broncos will eventually stick with six or seven guys. A lot of fans felt that Wesley Woodyard out of Kentucky would be one of the UFAs most likely to make the roster, but remember, they’re fans. It’s still early and as of now, no one knows how the guy performs in practice. Until we know, we can only speculate and hope Woodyard impresses enough people to at least earn him a spot on the practice squad. Special teams will be a real driving point for UFAs if they are to make the roster in the first place. Winborn and Webster played well enough last season and can make a big impact on the special teams unit. Denver fans are excited at the prospects of these guys helping to improve a mediocre special teams unit. Styg’s thoughts on the linebacking corps were great and I’ll just leave it at that.
After quickly flipping the cornerback page without much of an issue, we’ve finally reached a point of debate on the defense: the safety spot. Marlon McCree and Marquand Manuel came in to help provide depth at safety. Josh Barrett came along via the draft. Denver could take all five, but then again, the Broncos could also neglect a player. In the interests of length and word count, I’ll dial this battle down to Manuel and Barrett, neglecting to mention much of the extra curriculars. Again, styg did a nice job of that in his follow-up post. If Denver is to only keep four, Barrett and Manuel risk getting the boot. Barrett also may be too risky to put on the practice squad, if other teams spot his upside.

A lot has been said of the kicking and punting competition, as well as a bit about the long snapper. I’ll just direct you to Arturo’s and my recent posts concerning the ST unit, let you form an early opinion, and be on my merry way. There are certainly unknowns in these facets of special teams and even a possible battle at long snapper:
Long Snapper

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Kicker

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Punter

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Camp will work out a lot of these battles, some of which I think are much bigger than others. To recap, I think the biggest slugfests will come at running back, safety, and wide receiver (not including the special teams spots available), with the biggest involving the backs. I won’t go ahead and decide who makes it and who doesn’t as of now, as that’s the coach’s job. Besides, a lot rides on how many of each position the Broncos wish to keep.
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Lots to think about there
Great post! I cant figure out who will make the 80 man roster much less how to cut down my 56 to 53 and be totally happy.
Until Terrell Davis makes it into the Hall of Fame, I refuse to acknowledge the existence of such a place other than the Ring of Fame at Mile High!
Davis to the Hall!
Browncos
I believe Engelberger came from SF not Cleveland. Otherwise, an entirely enjoyable post.
Thanks.
Bill Williamson is a gelatinous tub of goo. Al Davis eats his own poop.
You are correct.
I figured since the Browns line came in 2005 and Engelberger came from San Fran to Denver in 05 as well, I’d just consider him part of that “Brownco” line. Thanks for the heads up.
I think we have a top 42-45 or so locks...it gets sort of muddy after that in my opinion.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Win the Division. WIN THE DIVISION!
If we could not count the punter and kicker
I would have my top 54 and could weedle down to 53 but if you ask me to add them then im screwed!
Until Terrell Davis makes it into the Hall of Fame, I refuse to acknowledge the existence of such a place other than the Ring of Fame at Mile High!
Davis to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on May 29, 2008 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions
lol. I didn't even realize we had to account for kickers and punters. Isn't it just ADDITIONAL
kickers and punters? I’m sure the NFL wouldn’t notice it if we just kept them on the team without saying anything. ;)
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Win the Division. WIN THE DIVISION!
I wouldn't go THAT far.
foosball players sounds more apt….to me anyway
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Win the Division. WIN THE DIVISION!
Okay then
So I guess your classification of players in that facet of “special” teams falls between a FOOTBALL PLAYER and a powder puff cheerleader. I guess Foosball would be about right. Kickers do win a lot of games though…take Elam for example :) Wait did I say Elam? He’s gone and I’m somewhat over it I guess. At least if he were here it would make one less position hard to figure out.
Wait, Special Teamers are studs...I wouldn't even
call kickers “special”. It takes guts to run full speed down field and crash into someone…kickers prance down the field after kicking.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Win the Division. WIN THE DIVISION!
Unless your name is Josh Brown.
He gave Devin Hester a pretty good lick (for a kicker). He didn’t even hang back to let someone else make the play. Gotta give props where props are due, eh?
Of course, Hester probably won’t underestimate another kicker for the remainder of his career ;)
well there's that,
but then there’s the fact that you have to also receive to give as a special teamer.
Remember this?
That’s a punter running and getting jacked up…ouch. I don’t know if I could take a hit like that. Helps give you the feeling that a lot of these guys can still play football too. Moorman could run, some punters can pass as well, and watch what BM does after the huge hit…gets RIGHT back up. You’ve got a lot of tough special teamers out there :P
Hey! I used to be a pro-foosball player ... lol
"If Denver beats us, I'll walk back to Detroit"
Alex Karras
by Denver Diehard on Jun 4, 2008 1:14 PM MDT up reply actions
A lot of good stuff in there!
Just a tiny point from me. I hope Mustard makes the final roster, along with Jackson at TE.
I think Beck may not make it at LB, and I hope we find a way for Barrett to stay with us and develop.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
Interested on your thoughts
as to how the running back battle will play out. It’s kind of futile to predict the rosters at this current time in late May, but it is fun to do. We have no idea where Pittman will play and who will do what in camp. Also, we can’t always foresee injuries (knock on wood). Where does the latest Pittman signing factor in with you and your running back situation? Does it do much at all to how you foresaw it a few days ago? Any players intrigue you for the practice squad/scout team?
Hmmmm.
There are a lot of good thoughts from a lot of sharp writers at MHR on this question. Here’s what I’m thinking.
Barring injuries (as you point out), I think Henry makes the team with Young as a rotation back. Pittman makes the team as more of a RB than a FB (I’m in disagreement with a few folks on this one). Torrain should make the team as an IR (hat tip to Styg for this idea). Beyond those four (one of which ought to be on IR), it’s a tough guess.
The addittion of Pitmann and the Styg comment on moving Torrain did a lot to change my mind in the last few days. I think I’ll know more in a couple of more weeks.
I think Sapp and Hillis are both in as FBs. I have no clue which guy gets the start yet.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on May 29, 2008 3:05 PM MDT up reply actions
I may be the only one...
but I see Hall making this team. As Phantom stated, he provides value to special teams and played well during games, including some big plays. For no other reason, I can see him making the team because we already know he can contribute when it matters.
"On the Plains of Hesitation bleach the bones of countless millions, who, at the Dawn of Victory, sat down to wait, and waiting--died!" - George W. Cecil
by Bronco Billy on May 30, 2008 9:08 PM MDT up reply actions
Preseason
I think more than camp preseason will shore up the final starters for more PSNs this year then most.
I think bell gets cut. I could see Pittman at RB if Henry is injured and at FB if he stays healthy. It seems clear to me that coach wants a full back that can catch too. I could see Sapp as the starter at the begining of the season and then Hillis taking over later on as he gains some expirence. Unless he has a great preseason.
by ThorpeBroncosfan on May 29, 2008 11:06 PM MDT reply actions

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