The Quest: Offensive Comparison '07 vs '08
This post is an historic one for me as it is my 100th since joining Mile High Report almost a year ago. I am currently working on several different upcoming posts and I was wondering if I should make a certain one my historic post, but then I thought I should just stick to what my original schedule was. This was planned to be my next post, therefore, it will have to be my 100th post.
I recently posted my positional comparison for the defense along with grading the performance of the 2007 group and also applying a preliminary grade for what I see as potential upgrades or downgrades for each position. I felt incomplete not having done the offense as well, so here it is.
The 2007 offensive group had a solid core surround by a couple of glaring deficiencies. The story of our season was told best by a series of posts called “NPTB” or No Points Left Behind that can be found all over the MHR Community during last season. Our offense racked up the yardage without scoring very many points.
The Quest for the offense this season is about one thing, getting into the end zone!

Quarterback
2007 Grade: B+ (Cutler was still solid all season long)
2008 Grade: A (Expect big things from Cutler this season!)
Full Back
This position intrigues me if for no other reason that Shanny seems intrigued by it as well. I don't think he is sold on Cecil Sapp being the long term solution at the position. He drafts a FB, Peyton Hillis, that blocked for two first round draft picks in this years draft and then Shanny goes out and drafts a LB in Spencer Larsen and has him start learning the offensive playbook. Even that wasn’t enough for Shanny, he also signed Michael Pittman who could easily slide into the FB role to contribute. Pittman’s versatility as a pass catcher makes his value at FB even greater.
In 2007, the position was weak. Mike Bell never fully made the transition to FB, which left Shanny with Sapp as the only viable option at the position. With all the moves that Shanny has made, I just don’t realistically see a spot on the roster for Cecil Sapp. If he does make it on the team, he is almost certainly gone by this time next year. Mike Bell’s writing on the wall might be right in front of us, but not too far off from that wall is another wall with Cecil Sapp’s name on it.
2007 Grade: B- (Even with all the injuries to RB, the Broncos still gained a lot of rushing yards)
2008 Grade: B (I am going conservative with this grade, because I really have no idea which way Shanny is going with this position)
Running Back
I feel we are stacked at this position. Last year we had Travis Henry and basically two undrafted, unproven rookies in Selvin Young and Andre Hall. We found that Henry is injury prone, duh. We also found that Selvin Young was a great find and has proven to be an excellent change of pace runner, as is Hall. By season’s end, Shanny informed the public that Young would never be anything more than a 15-20 carry a game back. Four months later, Young added 15-20 pounds of muscle and looks like a real live running back. There has been much discussion as to whether this means anything and I think it does. IF Young stays healthy, the added weight should make him even more elusive as he will be able too break more tackles and power his way through defensive backs and even linebackers. Will he get 2000 yards? I really doubt it. Will he get a 1000 yards? I see that as a very good possibility, especially with Travis Henry being unreliable at best.
Last year we got hit with a lot of injuries. Mike Bell even had to come in because all three guys in front of him were down. This year, Shanny has prepared for a lot of injuries. Our depth chart will likely be Henry/Pittman and Young/Hall as the two sides of our running back by committee system we use. Mike Bell will be cut and since Styg50 is known for his great insight, Ryan Torain will be on IR. If Styg is wrong, then I think Sapp gets whacked and Pittman becomes our FB with Torain on our active roster.
If anyone reading this would like to know why I am such a fan of Selvin Young, then click on his link above and then click on Travis Henry's link. They both started about the same amount of games, yet even though Selvin Young had less carries, he led the team in yards last year. Selvin Young had a 5.2 average compared to Henry's 4.1 average per carry. This is why I thought Selvin Young's added weight was such a big deal; it shows that he is serious about his commitment to the Broncos and that he also is hungry for more than what he was given last season.
2007 Grade: C (Injuries and inconsistency killed this grade)
2008 Grade: A (This may be our most improved offensive position, as long as the group stays healthy!!)
Wide Receiver
Wide Receiver is another position in which I feel really good about heading into the regular season. Last year, injuries thinned out the position greatly. Without Brandon Marshall beating every CB he faced, Cutler would have had few people to throw the ball too. Javon Walker is gone and good riddance. He never came back from his knee injury and I think
Looking at that list of guys we got right now, I find myself thinking back to last year. David Terrell, Quincy Morgan, David Kircus, or Brian Clark. Tell me this years squad doesn’t look a lot better.
2007 Grade: C+ (Injuries and lack of weapons for Cutler hurts this grade)
2008 Grade: A (Even the guys we cut at this position would have been locks on last years squad)
Tight End
We'll have the same starting cast of characters this year as we did last year. Daniel Graham and Tony Scheffler will be our stars again this year. Graham will have an entire year under our offensive system and should become more of a threat in our passing game. As for Scheffler, well my fingers are crossed that his recent injury is as bad as it gets for him.
2007 Grade: A- (These two turned in a solid 2007 performance)
2008 Grade: A+ (You can't get much better than Graham and Scheffler)
Offensive Tackle
With Matt Lepsis retiring, we have lost a Bronco great. Sure he had a bad year last season, but the guy was top rate for many years. Filling the void he left didn't look easy, at least not until we drafted Ryan Clady. I'll admit, the thought of drafting him terrified me. I still have nightmares of him being the 2008 version of George Foster. I'll cross my fingers and hope for the best. His addition immediately improves the offensive line and perhaps this is the year that Ryan Harris finally finds a home on the right side of the line. If not, Erik Pears might be up to the challenge. In my view, we still have some building to do on the line, but it's looking much better today than it did throughout last season!
2007 Grade: D+ (Lepsis will be missed regardless)
2008 Grade: B (This is about as good as I can do without having seen Clady play a single NFL game)
Offensive Guard/Center
Having Tom Nalen back for another year will allow our team to develop Kory Lichtensteiger. K-lich may have that mean streak we like in our center. I really like that we drafted this kid. It helps too to have Casey Wiegmann backing up Nalen in case of another horrendous injury like the one he suffered in 2007. Losing Nalen totally screwed up the offensive line.
As for the guard position, I am happy with the guys we got here. Ben Hamilton, Chris Kuper, and Montrae Holland know the system and did well to keep the cohesion of the line from complete falling apart last season. Hopefully Hamilton will be able to recover fully from his concussion last training camp. K-lich may also get a chance to step in and contribute at this position. Overall, I think the interior of our line has been greatly improved by the additions of K-lich and Wiegmann. It is obvious to me that Shanny has no desire to repeat any of the struggles from last year.
2007 Grade: C+ (The loss of Nalen and Hamilton was a disaster, but these guys played tough and never quit)
2008 Grade: B+ (The depth alone bumps this grade up, having Nalen and Hamilton back helps too!)
Conclusion
The difference I see from this year's offense and last is the addition of key depth players. We didn't go out and pick any big name free agents or spend our way into a hole - Al Davis style. We picked up high quality, high character guys who mainly want to compete for a job. We spent less this season and came away with much more in my opinion.
Mike Shanahan has a very long memory and he remembers the troubles we had with injuries and the depth problems at running back, wide receiver, and on our offensive line. So what did he do about that? He signed low risk, high reward players and built strong depth at all three positions. No matter who makes the roster, we know we'll end up with quality players at these positions. If I were grading Mike Shanahan's offseason moves, I'd give him an A+.
God help any opposing team that has to scheme against this offense next season. There are just too many weapons. And if you think my grade for this year is too optimistic, then feel free to tell me how I am wrong. I just couldn't see enough weaknesses ON PAPER to give a grade any lower than I did.
2007 Overall Grade: C+ (The yards were there, but all that matters in the end is points!)
2008 Overall Grade: A (This is one scary offense in my opinion)
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Congrats on 100!
And I’m exited for Training Camp. I’m trying to keep myself neutral on all the position battles; the players that emerge as the best will have my support.
It’s an exciting time to be a Bronco fan, isn’t it? Keep on posting!
~Uffdah
by Disco_Stu on
May 30, 2008 10:40 PM MDT
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Few things are better than being a Bronco fan. That's a fact jack.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Win the Division. WIN THE DIVISION!
by Zappa on
May 30, 2008 10:54 PM MDT
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Great post
Nice breakdown. good work, again! I’ve always enjoyed your work and attention to detail.
I say good riddance to J Walker, as well. However, if he stays healthy enough, he could be a force, especially against Denver. First, he’ll have something to prove playing against the Broncs. Also, I believe he was severely shaken by having DWill litterally die in his lap. Just imaging how something like that would mess with your own mind. Despite his words of criticism against the Bronco’s system, the DWill incident could very well have been his major motivation to get out of town.
by BornOrange on
May 31, 2008 1:06 PM MDT
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Walker left after insulting the team...
he is going to get his damn head knocked off come September 8th! I’ll be there live and in person to witness him getting creamed by Lynch. ;)
As for DWill dying in his lap, I don’t even what happened to Walker that night at all…but he didn’t have to go lash out like he did. Walker is a low character guy, simple as that.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08
by Zappa on
May 31, 2008 1:35 PM MDT
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Agreed
which is why I say Good Riddance.
I just think he still has some football to play and, unfortunately, he may feel renewed by the move to OAK.
Nothing would make me happier than to see Walker get blown-up by Lynch and then have Champ intercept the resulting pop-up and take it to the Hole!!
by BornOrange on
Jun 2, 2008 4:36 AM MDT
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One last thing before I call it a night.
You will not be able to stay neutral for long. Guru’s got some awesome works coming up about position battles and all that jazz. His stuff last year sucked me into MHR and I’ve been here ever since(except for the month I was globe trotting to Disneyland and NorCal and various other California locations with my wife and kid). It’s hard to stay unbiased for long, if you are successful I commend you for it! :)
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08
by Zappa on
May 31, 2008 12:28 AM MDT
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Oh, don't get me wrong
I’ll be following the position battles very closely! And like everyone, I have some preferences. But at the same time, I’m getting second or third hand information, without the full knowledge needed to fully understand what the coaches are looking for. So I’ll put my trust in the coaches.
...and maybe put in a plug for a couple players. :o)
~Uffdah
by Disco_Stu on
May 31, 2008 10:26 AM MDT
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That's an awesome way to approach it!
Good for you! I like your thinking!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
May 31, 2008 6:36 PM MDT
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Very few things!
Congrats on your 100th POST. Truely Historic. Keep it up, I really enjoy your post inparticular. I think we see eye to eye on a lot of things.
However…
I would give our FB a B+ for this year. No matter which way Coach goes he will find the best man or men for the job and we definately have the talent pull their to choose from.
You are right I think bell is gone.
I have to give Jay a A+ for this year. I think with his health under control, the new targets he has (eddie royal will be too valuable to keep off the field by the end of the season), and this being his 3rd season he is going to blow people away. He’ll have no nothing annoucers singing his praises all year. Acting like they have been cheering for him all along.
I would give our RB a B while we have depth, I’m still unsure how things are going to pan out. If Henry stays healthy I would bump that up. Even though I still think we should cut him.
The Quest this season for the offense has to be mostly about one thing, getting into the end zone
This statement is correct for sure but I also think we have to be able to get 1st downs on the ground. We have to be able to give our D a rest but then utlimiatley get in the end zone.
by ThorpeBroncosfan on
May 30, 2008 11:41 PM MDT
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It does appear that we agree on many things...
our opinions only vary slightly. A little + here and a little – there…minor differences. I truly think Shanny keeps Henry one more season. I would guess the odds are great that he isn’t a Bronco next season. We have to remember, before Henry got injured last year he was on pace for 1500+ yards… I just think Shanny needs one more year out of him to get all his ducks in a row before dumping him.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Win the Division. WIN THE DIVISION!
by Zappa on
May 31, 2008 12:17 AM MDT
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And thanks for the kind words...I most definiately appreciate it!
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
Win the Division. WIN THE DIVISION!
by Zappa on
May 31, 2008 12:17 AM MDT
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you're 100? Wow cpngrats!
Seriously good post bro! I graded it a “B” based on the fact that our offense while scary on paper, still has a lot to prove especially on the line. I think we will have a top 10 offense this season. We had a top 15 last season but our red zone was ineffective. I think that changes this year as well. I like the grades but I think the overall is a little high but hey you are an optimistic guy so I expect it from you! Again, great post bro, I am seriously looking forward to the season!
Until Terrell Davis makes it into the Hall of Fame, I refuse to acknowledge the existence of such a place other than the Ring of Fame at Mile High!
Davis to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on
May 31, 2008 12:37 AM MDT
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To be fair
I just couldn’t see enough weaknesses ON PAPER to give a grade any lower than I did.
I graded it an A based on that statement. If we remain ineffective in the red zone were screwed no matter what my piece of paper says. ;)
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08
by Zappa on
May 31, 2008 12:40 AM MDT
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Looks Like Coach Agrees...
I know some people don’t agree with me about Royal being in the line up at WR this year but I think coach may agree with me. :)
Notes- Quarterback Camp: Day 8
By Jake Grilley
DenverBroncos.com
Shanahan sees Royal making a splash on the team not only as a returner but possibly as a receiver as well.
“We know he is punt returner; we know he is a kick returner,” Shanahan said. “The thing I was most impressed with Eddie watching film was his ability to come out of a break, the consistency in his hands and he has showed that so far in this minicamp.”
by ThorpeBroncosfan on
May 31, 2008 1:02 AM MDT
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I was one of those who sees Royal as a viable number two guy.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08
by Zappa on
May 31, 2008 1:32 AM MDT
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i agree
i have already posted that i believe royal is going to make parker expendable(unless he can make it on st’s) , and martinez is gone, too. this can open up another te to make the roster, who should be mustard. think about it, if graham has any problems, who is going to block at te-scheff and jackson? too risky for me. if royal can provide a deep threat, he should make the wr corps. i like parker as depth, but if 1 has to go, i think we need mustard more(more mustard?)
by davecheffy on
May 31, 2008 1:29 AM MDT
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I see this:
BMarsh/Keary Colbert
Darrell Jackson/Eddie Royal
Brandon Stokley/Eddie Royal
We might keep one more wide out, for insurance. If we do, then a RB or FB will be cut instead. By this time next year I think Eddie Royal will not be the “depth” guy…he will be a starter either at slot or number 2.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08
by Zappa on
May 31, 2008 1:35 AM MDT
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Don't get rid of Mustard!
Mustard is our best blocking back-up to Graham, and showed he could catch several balls last year too. I see Denver keeping four TEs (as they did last year), with Mustard being #3. Jacskon (TE) is a better receiving TE, but I think he is a situational guy more than the #3 in depth.
I agree Martinez is in trouble.
Royal should not be a starter this year, unless Stokely goes down. It isn’t a knock on the guy to say he isn’t an every down WR (which is how some might take it). He would make a perfect slot guy when Stokely moves on or gets hurt.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
May 31, 2008 6:43 PM MDT
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You dont think you might be falling into the
“He’s too small to be an everydown guy” trap do you? If Eddie Royal is able to get open and make plays, he will be on the field no matter what his size. I am not ready to “label” him as a slot only guy and that’s all we should ever expect from him.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08
by Zappa on
May 31, 2008 11:05 PM MDT
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It's not a put down to say a guy is a specialist.
We love the guys hands and his speed, and the last thing we want to do is get him hurt. Look at what happened when we had to bring in Hall and Young. They were overused and got hurt. Look at Stokely. We brought him in to play at #1 because Walker went down, so we got Stokely hurt too.
Let me use an analogy (it may be poor because I’m not very familiar with baseball). Let’s say you have a closing pitcher that is very good at what he does. Is it then wise to put him on the mound at the start of every game? Or if you just have a terrific pitcher, and your going into the playoffs; don’t you rest the guy in certain games to save him for other games?
There are certain player types in football that do such a great job that fans want them on the field much of the time. But it just can’t work that way. Doom is terrific, but we shouldn’t “waste” him on short yardage. Moss may be a terrific pass rusher, but do you really want him on the strong side when he could be resting up to rotate or spell on the blind side? When Hall and Young get the ball as change-ups, they tear up the field. But when they get the ball too much, they’re the ones getting torn up.
A great example is Dante Hall. Fans loved seeing him return kicks (unless they were from Denver). Foolishly, the coaches let this translate into using him as a WR more than they should have, and his production went down.
I love specialists, and I want to protect them so that they can contribute to the team over the season. In the case of Royal, I want him doing returns, and not being risked in the WR role this year. If he converts to a great WR, let’s keep him at slot where he gives us an amazing downfield threat, but isn’t getting hammered every play. (BTW, if I were the defensive coordinator and saw Royal on the field as a #2, I would have someone jacking him every play).
It’s a compliment to Royal’s talents that I wouldn’t want him overused, and it really isn’t a “trap” to protect players built for specialist roles.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
Jun 1, 2008 6:56 AM MDT
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Yea, but my point was that we haven't even seen
Royal play a single game yet. I am not ready to say he is a specialist or just a slot guy. We have no idea if he has durability issues. Just because Stokley cannot handle full time duties does not mean Royal’s body can’t handle the beatings. Small fast guys are hard to lay big hits on in the open field…they are too agile and quick to be caught flat footed. I think we should at least give the guy a chance to earn a starting job before labeling him as anything. That was all I was trying to say. ;)
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08
by Zappa on
Jun 1, 2008 9:42 AM MDT
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And not having seen the guy play as a full time NFL pro receiver...
...I would agree that we would be gettig way ahead of ourselves looking at him as an everydown starter.
Just my opinion. : )
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
Jun 1, 2008 10:32 AM MDT
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True that!
I am also saying its too early to label him as a role player. ;)
Is this a case where we are both right? lol
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08
by Zappa on
Jun 1, 2008 10:39 AM MDT
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No, because I have seen him as a punt returner already...
..and in that role he has already won me over. Let’s see if he beats out all of the competition in camp before we take him from being a college STs standout to a #2 receiver.
: )
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
Jun 1, 2008 1:00 PM MDT
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Good punter returner in college doesn't mean jack..
this is the NFL.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08
by Zappa on
Jun 1, 2008 7:25 PM MDT
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Then consider this....
His claim to good play is his play at PR (where TSN rated him just the third best prospect). If this stat doesn’t mean jack, then where does that put his WR skills (which aren’t even rated as high as his PR skills)?
Don’t get me wrong. I’m realy pulling hard for Royal to be great. It’s just that we have nothing to base him as a starter yet, and it just seems really premature to talk about him as an everydown #1 or #2 WR. So far, he looks like a potential STs standout in the near future, and even that (as you point out) is not a sure thing.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
Jun 2, 2008 6:41 AM MDT
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If I had my choice, Royal would be a replica of Steve Smith. ;)
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08
by Zappa on
Jun 2, 2008 8:43 AM MDT
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and as soon as i post it...
mustard is out 8-10 weeks. he could be ready for the season, but now i wouldn’t be surprised if shanny brings in a blocking tight end for depth. maybe someone that can do both, and replace jackson. this may be the curtain call for the mustard man. i agree with royal, he should be a weapon by the end of this season, even. to hell with the running game, anyway, i say bring on air-cutler! why the hell not? we have like 10 guys, at every position on offense, that can catch the ball now, including fb/rb. open it up, already, and the running game will improve, too. but passes=td’s in this offense. we can’t run it in from the 1, remember. i am that confident in cutler to do this
btw, 5 pulled hammies already? i’m beginning to think our training regimen needs some work. this would be an interesting post, regarding injuries and training procedures/changes. is it because we are a lighter team we are consistently hurt lately? i don’t know, but it appears we lose more guys in the offseason than most teams in the league, at least the past 5 years or so. nothing too serious so far this year, though. i just wonder if there is any link(playing surface, stretching time…?) in the amount and severity of injuries we have, and a change in training practices. hard to look into, i guess. i’ll just chalk it up to lady luck for now
by davecheffy on
May 31, 2008 3:00 AM MDT
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I think the hammie situation mostly has to do with rust.
Now that the guys are getting out there and running full speed for the first time in months, it takes some time for the body to get back in game shape.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08
by Zappa on
May 31, 2008 9:02 AM MDT
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Dave
We would have to overhaul the entire offense to be a massive throwing team. The OL and the ZB are designed to protect the QB by forcing the defense to consider the run (and not so much by pure pass blocking). Even our West Coast Offense passing is designed to set up the run.
Let’s help Cutler (and protect him) by using the runs, misdirection, and playaction that helps make him great. Switching to a massive pass team would be like taking a Show Blitz team andtrying to make them Run Contain.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
May 31, 2008 6:49 PM MDT
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LMAO
Switching to a massive pass team would be like taking a Show Blitz team andtrying to make them Run Contain.
HT you sir indeed are a comic! This sounds vaguely familiar!
Until Terrell Davis makes it into the Hall of Fame, I refuse to acknowledge the existence of such a place other than the Ring of Fame at Mile High!
Davis to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on
May 31, 2008 10:43 PM MDT
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Maybe a dumb question?
I know we can only have 53 total put what is the cap by PSN? Is there one?
Zappa I like that line up. I see Royal moving up around week 10-13. Because he bcomes too dangerous.
by ThorpeBroncosfan on
May 31, 2008 3:46 AM MDT
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That is exactly how I would predict him entering our system.
Kick ass avatar btw too.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08
by Zappa on
May 31, 2008 9:04 AM MDT
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Edit...
I really wish you could edit after you post. I guess the lesson learned is edit then post. :)
by ThorpeBroncosfan on
May 31, 2008 3:47 AM MDT
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scoring
Will be up this year, and especially in the redzone.
I expect a huge year out of JC! Its his 3rd year in the system. As I have stated before history proves my point on this. If Plummer can excel in Shanny’s system Cutler will be Awesome. I like the WR corp, but I dont expect Royal be much more than a returner. I would for him to be more, but he is a rookie WR, and you can count on hand how rookie WR’s has ever made an immediate impact. It Rod Smith into his 3rd season to be a valuable as he was. (Best WR in Bronco history IMO) As much as Lepsis is gonna be missed, I say Clady is an upgrade. To me losing Nalen was a bigger loss than Lepsis. It will be weird not seeing Lepsis in a jersey of a Colorado football team. The RB situation is good and I like it, even if I am not on Henry’s bandwagon. But he can disprove my feeling by a team player getting yards and TD’s. The TE positon is good, I would like to see Daniel Graham get more passes thrown to him. The kid can catch. When he was at CU he won the Mackey award, which goes fpr pass catching AND blocking. I like Sheff, but I would like to see where the Broncos can keep one TE on the field most of the time. It wont give away some plays. But I have a good feeling about this offense.
by broncfanstuckinsd on
May 31, 2008 12:09 PM MDT
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I generally agree with everything you stated, except maybe
Rod Smith being the best Bronco WR of all time. I would argue that he is the best of the modern era. Lionel Taylor gets the nod as best in the west prior to the expansion to 16 games. I also like Haven Moses and of course Eddie Mac! BMarsh has the biggest upside of any WR the Broncos have ever had. 10 years from now we might be talking about BMarsh being the greatest Bronco WR in any era. ;) So far his troubles off the field are really minor compared to others in the league…he’ll grow up, I am sure of it!
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08
by Zappa on
May 31, 2008 12:12 PM MDT
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Good proposition Zappa
Best Wr vs favorite player.
Best WR = LT (IMO)
Favorite player = Rod Smith, without a doubt.
What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us. - Raplh Waldo Emerson
by firstfan on
Jun 1, 2008 1:05 AM MDT
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I cant judge between the two...
both were great in their eras, but the eras were completely different therefore I can’t judge which one was better for the Broncos on their own teams.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08
by Zappa on
Jun 1, 2008 9:44 AM MDT
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I respect that
As good as ol Lionel was I will have to go with Smith. To me going from the practice squad to Pro Bowls and one of the Best burns in a Super Bowl (As Eugene Robinson, who not lost once but twice to the Broncos in the Bowl) is just awesome. granted he was on better teams. I loved Haven. When I was in little leauge (back then it was called LL not pop warner) I had #25 for Haven. But I am alos going off numbers and he broke Lionels numbers. I am hoping Marshall breaks all of Smiths records. He could be a great, great WR. I can see him and JC scoring lots of TD’s together. In my mind he is so hard to tackle and is a beast. It gets me excited for the potential. Off the field I am not concerned. Look there are bigger douches in this leagues and Brandon is not one of them IMO
by broncfanstuckinsd on
May 31, 2008 12:50 PM MDT
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Seriously now...
I’d like to know how this offense scores lower than an A. Where are our weaknesses on paper? All I see are weapons and strong depth…
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08
by Zappa on
May 31, 2008 2:30 PM MDT
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the o-line
kuper switching to tackle, clady being a rookie, hamilton’s head, nalen’s possible rust, new backups … that is the only unit of concern, so i think guys are just being a little cautious on the chemistry here early on. everything else looks ready to roll. i think by midseason, this offense will stop stopping itself and be unstoppable to stop
by davecheffy on
May 31, 2008 3:12 PM MDT
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Great breakdown, Zap
And congratulations on reaching your 100th post – I’m looking forward to the next 100.
I may not always agree with everything, but I really like that I never have to wonder where you stand, and your reasoning is top drawer. Thanks for the always-solid work!
Bear
O'Brien's Law states that Murphy was an optimist.
by broncobear on
May 31, 2008 3:33 PM MDT
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Muchos Gracias Amigo!
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08
by Zappa on
May 31, 2008 11:06 PM MDT
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First, congrats on #100!
I think that Cutler played very well last year (in only his first full year) and was doing it with untreated diabetes. Our WR corp was decimated when Walker went down and we had to bump a non-every-down guy (Stokely) out of his comfort zone (which led to yet another injury). Stokely played fiercly and held his own, but he shouldn’t have had to. Either way, Cutler now has depth.
The OL was decimated, but now has depth. Henry should come back healthy, but I think we’ll have more RBs on this roster capable of running more downs without injuries (Young and Hall were getting creamed last year with injuries).
I give us an “A”. We have the potential.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
May 31, 2008 7:05 PM MDT
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Absolutely!!
On Paper at least…there is just no way I could grade any lower than an A. If the offense starts to gel this season, God help anyone that faces us…freakin’ unstoppable. Which is also why I truly believe a 13-3 record is easily within our grasp, especially if the Defense plays above average…
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08
by Zappa on
May 31, 2008 11:08 PM MDT
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Congrats Zappa - another fine post.
What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us. - Raplh Waldo Emerson
by firstfan on
May 31, 2008 8:36 PM MDT
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Thanks, but seriously...is that really you in that avatar?
Your old picture has you looking like one tough hombre. This picture has me thinking you are some scholarly gentleman. You are confusing me! ;)
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08
by Zappa on
May 31, 2008 11:10 PM MDT
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They are both me.
This is the new , kinder, gentler firstfan.
What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us. - Raplh Waldo Emerson
by firstfan on
Jun 1, 2008 1:09 AM MDT
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you'll have to pardon me, ht...
...i just get too excited when i see so many targets for cutler, and his arm should be utilized to it’s fullest capacity. if we get behind, i am confident we can attack through the air and put up points, something i really couldn’t say recently until this season. the area i meant to refer to in this was the red zone, where we may not have the success we are trying to achieve running inside the 20, or 10, where defenses are more concentrated due to space. we seem to get more conservative in this area, also, and i was thinking maybe we should start trying to throw it in the end zone more on first and second down there. maybe spreading the d out a little more in this area can open more running lanes inside, being that we won’t be so predictable there, and our struggles between the tackles is now legendary. it’s 2 runs up the gut, a pass, and a field goal attempt at his point, and that needs to change somehow. with the speed and catching ability of our backs, te’s, etc., maybe we can get some of these playmakers in space to run it in now. i didn’t mean to convey a full philosophy switch between the 20’s(i couldn’t resist the urge to write “air-cutler”), but i still think we are going to have to spread it out, throw the ball, or run/pass to the outside to get this thing in the endzone, generally. maybe we improved enough in this area now, but i have to see it to believe it after so many years of futility.
“taking a Show Blitz team and trying to make them Run Contain.” yeah, we just tried that, didn’t we, and i was the first to say this wouldn’t work here in denver. i got killed on that one at some other sites(“bates has had success everywhere he’s been”). shutup. the fish defense was overrated-keep your stats-and i never feared the packers, either. slowick doesn’t impress me tremendously, either, but i’m sure he will be utilizing the talent we have, and just keeping it simple would be a massive improvement over last year.
btw, i believe in one of the other posts, someone said coyer’s weakness was adjustments. that is dead on. if we were getting killed in some area of the game plan by halftime, we did not adjust, and we just got picked apart all day long-it was over. i hope this is a strength of slowick’s because it is a very important part of game-planning. i mean, there should be some foresight regarding matchup problems and strategy ineffectiveness, no? either way, familiarity(slowick) and consistency(d-line personnel) alone will increase our performance on d this season. add in the upgrade in talent and depth, and we look to be good at the very least
by davecheffy on
Jun 1, 2008 1:37 AM MDT
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I hear ya.
Here’s another thought. If our FG team isn’t very good, the offense will be forced to be more aggressive near the red zone. I hope it doesn’t come to that, but it might.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
Jun 1, 2008 7:00 AM MDT
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I hear ya too. lol
Coyer’s problem is that our defense would dominate in the first half, but some teams adjust well at half time and Coyer did not so our defense usually got picked apart in the second half.
As for Cutler, I think we will be seeing alot of 4WR sets with BMarsh and Jackson on the outsides and Stokley and Royal in the slots. Talk about an aerial assault…that is downright scary in my humble opinion. We are going to dominate this year…we had better dominate this year. I am just salivating over here for the regular season to begin!
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08
by Zappa on
Jun 1, 2008 9:47 AM MDT
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I hope we don't turn into a spread offense.
We’d have to scrap a lot of other valuable parts of our offense to go that route.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
Jun 1, 2008 10:33 AM MDT
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I wasn't calling for that, but I expect to see more spread offense plays
with the amount of weapons we got. If anything, it gives us more ways to confuse the defense and keep them on their toes.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08
by Zappa on
Jun 1, 2008 10:40 AM MDT
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