Horse Tracks 5/7/08
Here's a Wednesday edition of Horse Tracks. Enjoy!
Mike Kils had some good responses to his mailbg. See here
Jim Armstrong discusses what being a college free agent is like. See here
Former Bronco D.D. Lewis hopes to fit with the Seachickens. See here
AFC West
Here's an article that thinks the conquered fader nation messed up in the draft. See here
Our favorite former writer from the Denver Post writes about Phyllis and his merry men taking the next step. See here
NFL News
The NFL filed a FCC complaint against Comcast. I'm so happy I have a dish again! See here
That's all for today folks!
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Interesting thought from the Mailbag
Hey, Mike. Looking at the past three drafts, including this one, would you say that the Broncos are on the right track to building the team the right way? It appears that Broncos management is learning from its mistakes.
—Eddie Morris, Kennett Square, Pa.Eddie – Sometimes, I think we all overrate the draft. The Broncos, for example. From their four-year draft period of 2001-04, they have just two players, linebacker D.J. Williams and guard Ben Hamilton, remaining. Yet, the Broncos had home-field advantage in the AFC Championship game in 2005. This serves as a reminder: The draft represents just one-third of roster construction with free agency and trades each having another third.
Then again, it’s become evident the Missing Years to the Broncos’ draft did leave a talent hole in the middle of their roster entering the 2008 offseason. The Broncos love the talent of their players 25 and younger, starting with quarterback Jay Cutler, receiver Brandon Marshall and defensive end Elvis Dumervil. And they have a number of quality 30-somethings, starting with cornerback Champ Bailey on June 22.
But the talent gap of players between the ages of 26 and 29 is why they dipped into free agency and signed Darrell Jackson (29), Keary Colbert (26 on May 21), Samie Parker (27), Boss Bailey (28), Niko Koutouvides (27), Marquand Manuel (28) and traded for Dewayne Robertson (26).
I didn’t realize that most of the players we signed in free agency/trade are all in the same age range. Hoosierteacher (I think) has talked about staggering retirements/free agents, which means that this was a necessary move to fill out our team. So not only did we bring in solid role players, we brought them in at the right ages. I think he’s totally wrong about the drafts of 01-04 and the AFCCG, we saw the decline after that game precisely because of our lack of drafting well in those years. And we will see the resurgence of our team because of our drafting well in the last few years.
by Darin H on May 7, 2008 10:11 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
That HT sure is a sharp guy.
I like him!
: )
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on May 7, 2008 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
hoosierteacher?
never heard of the bum
;)
by Hooper on May 7, 2008 9:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL!
I saw him under a bridge or jumping a train recently somewhere. He’s still not too bad.
: )
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on May 7, 2008 10:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Klis has no clue....
What he did get right is the fact that draft failures have left a talent void. You can not look at a draft the next year and determine it’s worth. 3-4 years later, when those drafted would be entering their prime, is when you look at a draft and determine it’s worth. While he might conclude that the draft, trades and Free Agency are all equal thirds, I would argue that it is heavily weighted towards the draft, because that is where you are going to get your core. Don’t believe me? Look at the best teams in the NFL right now, and look at the key members of their football team. Without looking it up I would venture to guess that 80%+ of those players were drafted by the team.
If you rely on free agents to be the core of your football team you are destined to fail. The Broncos have changed that approach recently, but it remains to be seen if they are better off. Look at the ‘05 draft, for instance. It is quite possible the Top-3 picks for the Broncos(Darrent Williams, Foxworth, Paymah) could all be gone this time next year…..
-TSG
www.milehighreport.com
by John Bena on May 7, 2008 10:28 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Here is link
to a post I wrote last November, specifically looking at his subject….
Roster Degradation Key To Struggles
-TSG
www.milehighreport.com
by John Bena on May 7, 2008 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read this after your show on Wed. May 7th and I found it very interesting. I remember you mentioning somithing of this nature before however the more I look at it I am quite shocked. Solid teams are built through the draft and it seems the Broncos are moving in that direction more lately. Nice article and comparison to other top teams.
by weazel on May 10, 2008 7:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have come to depend on "Horse Tracks".
I’m always pushed for time and I’m not really good at sufing the net. You internet wizards make it a lot easier for guys like me to keep up. Thanks Guru, HT, Zappa, Styg50, mdierk, etc. I hate to stop there because there are so many of you that help out.
What a great site!
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on May 7, 2008 11:11 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
My sentiments exactly.
Human character does evermore publish itself.
by firstfan on May 8, 2008 8:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just wanted to recommend this:
A true feel-good-story from the ‘Post:
Drafting a roster spot
Remember: New England won 18 last year; Oakland's won 19 in a half-decade
/The great Dane - formerly known as Claaaaas!
by Claus Vestergaard on May 7, 2008 11:22 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
i have that up already claus..see Jim Armstrong reference.
fader nation is a conquered nation
by mdierk on May 7, 2008 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry!!
My bad…
Remember: New England won 18 last year; Oakland's won 19 in a half-decade
/The great Dane - formerly known as Claaaaas!
by Claus Vestergaard on May 7, 2008 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
VERY nice signature by the way!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on May 7, 2008 8:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
About the Williamson article...
..., he, and the Chargers want to compare themselves to the Colts, who knocked on the door for many years before they finally got in.
I wonder if they are more like those old Bum Phillips coached Oilers. Wasn’t it Phillips who talked year after playoff year about how they were going to stop knocking on the door and finally kick it in? Add to that the fact that their GM is the same guy who drafted all those fine players for Buffalo teams that experienced the same frustration. How ironic would that be?
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on May 7, 2008 1:44 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
The difference...
I feel for the Bills. They were like Denver, coming so close so many times.
The Chargers I don’t feel for so much. The fans are cool (including a good friend), but Phylis just went off the deep end with his attitude, and the Chargers aren’t knocking until the lose a few SBs in short order as the Bills and Broncos did.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on May 7, 2008 8:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're putting the band back together....
Rhodes signs with Indy again: 1 year, 650K per Shefter
by Darin H on May 7, 2008 9:45 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Good for Rhodes and for the Colts too.
Cue the Alexander watchers now! LOL
Good scoop Darin. Put it up as a quick Fanshot or Fanpost if you feel up to it or when you get more time. Lots of speculation about Rhodes going to Denver, and Shefter doesn’t trip much (in fact, I don’t recall any of his early scoops being off).
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on May 7, 2008 10:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rhodes is a good pick up for the Colts.......
As a Raider fan I am happy that Rhodes did not go to the Donkeys, as we all saw what he is capable of in the ZB scheme at the end of last season. Your team will probably have another shot at a Raider RB soon however, as Lamont Jordan is bound to be released before the season starts. The Raiders are trying to trade him for any value they can get, but that is unlikely.
OakFoSho
S&BP > Mile High Mules ............ Like Sharks? http://mvn.com/nhl-sharks/
by 0akFoSho on May 8, 2008 3:00 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a lot of talent in oak at RB,
Which is why the draft choice of RB surprised me. I had thought oak would surely take the top DT on the board as a long term replacement for Sapp. If Lamont goes too, I think DEN would be wise to look at him. He’s certainly a fit.
That’s a lot of room to clear for a rookie in my opinion. Do you know what the cap hits next year are for these releases?
I know we disagree on the cap issues, but I really think oak faces a lot more cuts like these over the next couple of years. On the other hand (short terms or not), oak is going to have an excellent DB group and should improve on their rush defense this year.
You should also check out the avatar for the director of Big Cat Country here. I’m sure you would like it. It has him with the oak defensive coordinator and it’s a heck of a pic.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on May 8, 2008 9:26 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the Raiders article claiming another Al draft day failure......
The main crux of this guys article is as follows….
“It is my firm belief that McFadden might have a successful rookie year with the Raiders, but Dorsey would have solved a lot more problems this year for the hapless and hopeless Raider Nation.”
The argument is flawed in several ways. First, the Raiders already have invested in Kelly to fill the 3 tech DT position, the same position Dorsey plays. He is backed up by Warren, whom the Donkeys witnessed in impressive form last season, and is a quality backup and passing down NT. Both these guys make a lot of money and are very capable. Kelly has the endorsement of Sapp and Rob Ryan as the next premier 3 tech DT in the league, he just has been played out of position at DE out of necessity. (Sapp was there, and RE was up in the air prior to the emergence of Richardson and the Kalimba Edwards signing) With the amount of money already invested in the position, taking Dorsey made little sense.
He also argues that the Raiders are overloaded at RB, and this might be the case, but Run DMC adds the home run threat from the backfield that the Raiders have not seen since Bo Jackson and Marcus Allen before him. He adds that extra dimension that strikes fear in defenses and forces them to respect the home run ability that Run DMC presents on every play. Also, He is not just a RB. He will play ST returning kicks and punts, and eventually work in at WR and motion man.
Now, if the writer had altered his argument to include DE, and Vernon “Combine Freak” Gholston, I would have understood, but I still would have disagreed. Financially, Gholston was an option at DE, but it was not worth taking a combine all star over the best player in the draft.
OakFoSho
S&BP > Mile High Mules ............ Like Sharks? http://mvn.com/nhl-sharks/
by 0akFoSho on May 8, 2008 3:15 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I still get the author's drift.
Though, like you, I’m not a big fan of the sports media (which is why we are probably here).
My thinking is that one can consider Kelley and Warren to be answers. But one can also look at the rushing yardage that oak gave up last year. Denver went through this dilemna too, having big name players that just weren’t stopping the run. We let them go (Adams and Rice on the DL, and Gold at OLB).
I might disagree on the en vogue 3 technique talk. You aren’t saying anything wrong, but I would disgaree with setting direction based on the potential of an existing player to be a 3 tech, while getting rid of established players for a potential gamebreaker at a seperate position like RB.
At the very least, if you don’t want Dorsey, use the pick somewhere else or trade it. The RBs where already in place. When paired with high priced signings, it’s not a personal slight that football fans outside of oakland would raise their eyebrows at the move.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on May 8, 2008 9:42 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is there any talk in oakland circles
about the difference in lifespan that might be expected from the options oakland had in the draft?
I am no fan of generalities, but one that holds true generally is that RBs have short lifespans in the NFL, whereas a Gholston or Dorsey could be anchors (and every play defensive guys) for 10+ years.
No matter how I view the McFadden pick I simply can’t see anything except desperation from Al Davis. Davis wants to win NOW, but the team is incomplete and may need YEARS to gel completely. McFadden is a great player, and not deserving of being called a ‘mistake’ intrinsically, but it looks very much like Davis is evading the issues of defensive efficacy (due to question marks on the Dline that MUST stop the run to be competitive in the West) and offensive efficacy (due to it being unrealistic for Russell to make a huge difference in only his first full year running Kiff-i-n’s offense). IF Davis IS practicing evasion, than that would be the mistake. A great pass defense is worthless if you can’t stop the run and offensive weapons are useless to a team if the QB can’t take advantage of them.
Which brings me to another, off-topic thought: I think this year will go a long way towards determining if the AFC West has 3-4 future greats at QB, which means AFC West dominance once again! (For the life of me I don’t know why the chefs would build around Crodie Broyle, but they seem to be going ahead with it.)
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by Jeremy Bolander on May 8, 2008 10:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

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