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Few things are harder for a coach than coming up with the final roster.  On an emotional level, it's hard to cut a player who has worked his butt off.  On a strategic level, it's not always cut and dried who the better player is.

Player one may be a better player than player two, but player one (depending on if he's pro, college, or HS) may have an injury potential, or may have academic issues, or may have a contract issue (costs too much), or may have potential behavioral problems, or may be a drag in the locker room or during practice.  Maybe player two isn't as skilled, but he's more versatile because he can play two positions, or is a special teams ace, or maybe he brings leadership or team building qualities that raise the play of those around him.  Maybe a player has value as an "every down" player, but another player is an amazingly elite player - but only on limited downs.

These are some of the issues that we as fans don't always get to see during the decision makng process.

I'm going to use the Denver Broncos defense as a stating part for putting together a depth chart.  It's not meant to be an accurate prediction, nor is it meant to convey which players I'm advocating.  Instead, it is my hope that the chart and my write-up will spark conversation that shows the complexities of putting together a team.

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  • I limited myself to 25 players.  While not an accurate way to limit myself, I did this with the idea that (for the purpose of this discussion) we will have 25 players on offense and 3 STs players (K, P, LS)
  • I assumed (with nothing to go on) that we will use a system with predominantly 1 two-gap DT and 1 one-gap  DT for our base 4-3 formation.
  • I tried to include our rookies as much as possible, since they are interesting as unknown qualities.  As fans, we know less than the coaches do because they see much more.  By bringing in an unknown quality I hope to simulate (to some extent) the difficulty coaches have.
  • I assumed that any player put on the practice squad would get gobbled up by another team.

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So what made this chart difficult?  Let's start with the assumption that I may only have 25 players (again, for the purpose of our discussion).  Look at the SAF position.  Is Hamza my best player at FS?  It's possible that Manuel is.  But Hamza is still young, still developing, and familiar with the team.  Manuel may be more expendable if he has a one year contract.  Barrett may be the worst SAF of the group, but his potential is very strong.  He may be worth a risk. 

On the other side (at SS), there is no way we get rid of Lynch.  He improves those around him because of attitude, leadership, and even some on-field coaching talent during plays.  He is also insurance if the DT group can't stop the run.  McCree (as a player type) may be the closest thing to a run coverage SAF to back Lynch.

CB was simple.  Bailey is obvious at #1, and Bly at #2.  There was some talk on other threads about demoting Bly, but this is risky both in terms of actual play considerations, as well as the human element (messing with a solid player who is under contract).  Pay passed Fox (in my estimation) at nickel back.  Fox is the best player to back up Bailey, and this leaves rookie Williams to learn the ropes backing Bly.

LB was harder.  Much harder.  Styg50 wrote an excellent piece  sounding the alarm over the potential problem at SAM.  Comments under the article went on to flesh out the difficulties of which players to place in certain back-up positions.  I made a tough call.  DJ is our WILL starter, no doubt about it.  I also believe that Winborn has the speed and talent to do the tasks of a WILL LB.  Niko (aka K2) is a solid start at MLB, and Boss at SAM. 

What do I do with Beck, Webster, and Larsen?  When doing my chart I left these three on the table, and then came back knowing that I had to cut one.  Seven LBs is too much.  Beck is an excellent STs player, and a good back-up at MLB.  Larsen was just picked up in the draft, and has ILB skills.  Webster is a natural MLB, and has played (out of position) at SAM as a starter.  None of these players is meant for the SAM role.

Webster is probably the best MLB back-up of the three.  Unfortunately, he's the only one with solid SAM experience.  I had to put him at SAM back-up.  This leaves Beck and Larsen.  Beck proved himself on STs, but never as a starter.  At least Larsen may have the potential.  At worst, K2 goes down, Larsen doesn't work out, and we have to move Webster over to MLB.  I cut Beck, and hate myself for doing it.

DE was cake.  All five players are obvious keepers.  Doom stays on the field, and Moss relieves him.  On the other side, older (but run stuffing experts) Ek and Eng rotate to keep each other fresh.  Well rounded (and future starter) Crowder comes in on obvious passing downs, and to spell any of the other four DEs on either side of the ball.  While Doom is our best DE, and a potential pro-bowler, it is Crowder that gives the coach the most value on the defense.

I made a few difficult cuts at DT.  Harris was the toughest cut, and Burton and Petterson were done too.  Thomas stays, with the hope that he can keep improving.  DRob is the one gap specialist opposite Thomas.

Now comes an injury and contract consideration.  We don't want to overplay DRob because of his injury potential, and because our trade for him costs a higher draft pick if he is used on too many downs.  Thus we rotate in McKinley.

Mallard is the player I selected to put our hopes into as our "tough guy" back-up to Thomas.  I put him in a spell role, hoping that Thomas can hold up for most downs.  If not, I switch Mallard to a rotational role.  Powell is a rookie with a lot of potential, so I want to keep him.  But I don't want to risk games on a first year player with several solid players in front of him.  I want him to stay at R-DT where he can play 2-gap to pull the LG away from our pass rush, but I would have liked to put him at L-DT, where he has a better shot of getting playing time (spelling either of the rotational DTs).  If his training is ahead of schedule, perhaps he can do both roles, but this is asking a lot of a rookie.

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Ask me tomorow, and my depth chart might be different.  There is a lot to be critical about on the chart, and that's ok.  We'll just use the above chart as a starting point.  What I'm really hoping for is that folks share their thoughts on:

  1. What would they do differently, and why
  2. What they would do the same, and why

It isn't the article that will be instructive, since it only forms the construct.  It is the convesation that I hope is valuable.  We can discuss contract issues or the human element if we consider promoting Fox over Bly, or discuss the defensive systems that might change the DT allignment.  Perhaps someone is much less concerned with potential (Larsen, Barrett) than with medicrocy (but with medicrocy that is safe).

As always, this is the place if you have any questions about the game of football.  Leave your questions in the comment section.  Also, any ideas for a University article you would like to read, please give me your ideas. 

Everyone have a great weekend, and a terrific Fathers Day!

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As usual, Great work!

It’s been mentioned before that the Broncs have a difficult luxury this year: a lot of depth just about everywhere. Someone who is either good now ,or has great potential, is going to have to get cut. I’ll just have to trust the coach’s decisions when it comes to that point.

My only hope is that we can have several good guys with “upside” able to land, and stay, on the practice squad. We need to develop another DT and SAF at least, probably a LB as well.

Thanks HT!

by BornOrange on Jun 13, 2008 1:30 PM MDT   0 recs

You're right.

Particularly on offense, I think some good players are going to get cut. It’s a nice position to be in, but a hair puller for the coach and his crew (as well as the players).

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Jun 13, 2008 3:34 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Isn't the rookie's name

Jack Williams? DJack is the wide receiver. I’d like to shorten his name though, and I know that many (including myself) refuse to call him J-Will, for obvious reasons.

"I could never quite get the hang of Thursdays..."

by FlaBroncoFan on Jun 13, 2008 1:42 PM MDT   0 recs

Good catch!

Thanks for the catch, and it’s corrected. (I’ve also seen D-Jax for WR Jackson. I’ll also avoid J Will.)

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Jun 13, 2008 3:33 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I had two differences

I kept Steven Harris over Powell at DT with Powell going to the practice squad, but I could see that situation reversing itself. At LB, you make very good points about the SAM position. However my thoughts on the solution are different. First off, while I think Denver will keep six linebackers, I am not sure that it will be three sets of starters and backups. I agree with your three starters and see Jamie Winborn and Louis Green making the team due to their ST contributions. Winborn is a very cable backup at WILL. I think Green plays SAM but am not really sure. But even if he does, I think Denver might move DJ over to SAM and bring Winborn in at WILL if Boss goes down in a game. Webster seems like a pretty logical choice as the backup in the middle, but I think that as long as Niko shows his stuff in camp that Webster is gonna get cut to make room for Spencer Larsen. I could see Webster ending up in a Chad Mustard situation where he gets cut and resigned a couple times if Boss gets banged up.

by MattR on Jun 13, 2008 3:56 PM MDT   0 recs

note about powell, question for HT

Powell projects as a 1-technique, 2 gapper (potential NT?) . I am assuming he was drafted with the expectation of taking on double teams. Does this affect his status in relationship to guys like Thomas (3-tech, 1-gap) and Harris (3-tech, 1 gap)? Also, would lining him up differently aid in his ability to contribute early (like not expecting him to be responsible for double teams)?

This is assuming Slow would call som defenses where the DTs were expected to be doubleteamed, as opposed to Powell earning a double team.

Also, If Thomas/DRob are drawing double teams on their rotation, when one is spelled, would the offensive coach still call for double teaming? If not, Powell spelling DRob and McKinley at LDT (as you are idealizing) sounds about right. On the other hand, I personally think that Powell should be spelling the starting runstuffing DT that is opposite DRob, and ideally overtaking him at some point this season or next. Powell is a starting quality talent who will create opportunities for his LBs, but not if they are dropping into coverage. I see him as a 1st and 2nd and a short yardage guy. Thomas on the other hand should be a terror as a 1 gap QB chaser….

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by styg50 on Jun 13, 2008 5:01 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Great, great stuff

The biggest difficulty in charting the DTs was not knowing our system. Depending on what direction we go, the whole thing could be turned upside down. Not only is there varience between systems, but some systems even sport different approaches to the DL within that system. The assumption I went with only went as far as having a mix of 1 and 2 gappers.

But I think your questions are in general, and not specific to a system. Here’s my opinion, but I think any of us can make a reasoned point for or against.

Powell can do several things in his position. For example, he can two-gap the run, and decide the gap when the play develops. He can also hit a gap on the pass rush, and use his size to tie up both the C and LG. This isolates the LT against the R-DE (and maybe the LOLB). But in terms of his relationship to the other DT, it depends.

In my chart I assumed Thomas at R-DE as well as DRob. Both play wide (on the guards outside shoulder). Unless they slant inside, they hope to penetrate the B gap (between the OG and OT). If they slant inside, the hope is that the C is tied up with the R-DE. Consider that the R-DT has the potential (along with the R-DE) to take out the C, LG and LT. That’s 2 players tying up three (add more if a RB or FB is in to block). This leaves 1:1 for the L-DT and the L-DE.

Just before the snap, when the OL and the QB are trying to read the rush, they have to contend with either doubling slow but powerful guys (typically a 2-gap) or doubling a fast guy who is trying to get between two OLs. The more pretection the QB gets, the less options he has downfield. Consider also that at least one OFF player is typically assigned as a safety valve, and the odds get worse.

The hard thing to consider when watching a play in the trenches is to watch the gaps, not the players! Remember that Star Trek movie, where the Enterprise was fighting against Kahn, and at the end of the movie they were in some kind of space fog as their ships dueled? The advatage that Kirk had in tactics (according to one of the characters) was that Kirk and his crew was trained to think in 3d tactics, while Kahn (from Earth’s past) thought of ship to ship space combat in 2 dimensions. It’s kind of like that in football. The average Joe might look at the line in terms of players clashing, and trying to get past or blocking each each other. But in reality, the war isn’t a match of just brite strength, but a mental battle to control the gaps by forcing the other team to make a mismatch and expose a gap.

The OL starts with 5 guys; six if they keep in the TE. Now the DL has 4 (in our 4-3 system). The DL has some rule advantages in how they can use their hands and arms, and eventualy they will prevail. The OL is only charged with buying time. The DL also wins because whenever a defensive player takes a gap, the OL either blocks the guy with one man, or two. If one, the odds favor the defender. If two, some other defender is not accounted for. Things are complicates when a blitzing player is added, which speeds the time for the QB to panic, but might uncover an offensive threat down field.

Remember also that a big 2 gap DT can demand a double team, but so can a fast guy shooting a gap.

Your observations on spelling and who to start make sense. There isn’t room for me to go into the vast number of combinations possible, but so much depends on what the other team runs for a system, and even who the individuals are on that OL. Your thinking is sound, and a good coach could certainly go that route in my opinion.

Remember also that we run a base defense, and our own system, and we try as much as possible to impose it on the other team so that they react to us. In some cases, we have to be the ones to adjust. A good example is oakland. We will want more 2 gap against the zone block, since the zone block eats up the slant. So we could use my example (or yours), and see it changed from game to game. A good sign is when we see the team able to leave the starters pretty much the same on the DL from game to game (meaning that we are doing the proactive moves). Of course, the starters won’t play every down, nor will they start every game even in a near perfect season. But the closer to consistency you get on the DL at the start of most games, the better the indications. (Look at las year, and the extraordinary number of moves we had to make trying to adjust the DL line up).

There is a good chance that Denver may use two 1-gaps at DT a lot. Many blitz heavy systems do. The lack of a power guy on the DL is made up for the extra rusher (the blitzer). I want to see quick development from Powell though, because the flexibility we can gain by having a solid 2-gapper on the team is priceless.

One small point is that the O-Coord probably won’t be calling for double teaming. This is a decision that (depending on the team) is most likely made by either the QB or C. In fact, QB’s or C’s have a lot of leeway, and rarely follow any kind of pre-determined algorithm.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Jun 13, 2008 10:29 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Good thoughts Matt

My only problem with Larsen is that he may not have the versatility of Webster. While he did play ILB (a versatile position), Webster has started at SAM (where he showed improvment) and his background was MLB. A commentor on another post said Larsen isn’t the typical fast Denver LB, and that’s ok if we’re talking about MLB. (We always have fast guys at MLB, but we don’t have to). I’d rather have some speed at SAM to account for the TEs in our division.

If we go with your personnel decisions (and I think they are sound), I see Green at SAM back-up, and Larsen at MLB.

The only thing I really have a hard time agreeing with is the idea of a scenario where we would move DJ to SAM. We just can’t move this guy again and again. Even if the SAM takes a hit, we need to preserve the MLB and WILL, while filling in the best we can at SAM. Green or Webster would be my choices for SAM if Boss goes down.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Jun 13, 2008 10:48 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed on DJ

No matter what happens at SAM or MLB, DJ has to stay at WILL – for his own confidence and the fact that he’s an absolute terror at that position. Even if we had backups at both SAM and MIKE, DJ’s athlectic abilities – and knowledge/experience at the other positions- would enable him to compensate some for the backup’s shortcomings.

by BornOrange on Jun 14, 2008 1:32 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

After the last mini-camp

Shanny seemed to be saying that Webster and Niko were neck in neck for starting Mike LB. If that is the case, I like Webster’s chances -either 1st string MLB, possibly moving to SAM in a pinch, or #2 for both Sam and Mike.

That could free up a spot so my man Harris doesn’t have to go (I love that guy’s motor – would hate to lose him)

by jonahsilas on Jun 16, 2008 2:42 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Great questions styg50

I’d like to know them too.

HT, it’s your basic great job again. Thanks! In case you wondered, the VAST majority of us would very much like to pull our hair when you do the offense. Lots of good problems to have, you know?

Harris – what a quandry! I suppose that the answer will be found in training camp performance when you see Powell and him side by side ( which could be their ultimate positions, I suppose). I can’t see us letting Powell go to waivers based solely on our desperate need for DT’s in a few years. DRob will likely not last, due to the knees. He’s a warrior, but they will be artificial before he’s 50 if things keep going in this direction. I assume that they are embarked on a thorough program to strengthen all the muscles/ligaments around the knee to buy him a few seasons, but we need to get folks experienced. I’m going with Powell, but I wouldn’t mind if Harris proved me wrong. I would suggest that the decision may be Powell and Harris, but Mallard, skilled in pass rush but very undersized, may be let go. I’ve read that he’s good on special teams? – that’s his only hope, I believe. Mckinley is steady, and we need steady.

INT’L PLAYER SIGNED

The Broncos announced the assignment of International Practice Squad player Manuel Padilla, a linebacker from Mexico.

The 25-year-old from Tec de Monterrey college in Mexico attended International Player Development minicamps in 2008. This marks the first NFL experience for the 6-foot-3, 245-pound middle linebacker.

Ok, it’s just the practice squad. Could they use Larsen at Sam? I strongly feel that DJ needs a full season where he prefers, and will, barring injury, give us a Pro Bowl year. Winborn to back him, Webster and Larsen back Boss and K2 (in whatever position they decide) and yes, a sad good bye to Beck and PS to Woodyard who may make it ultimately at safety.

DE is as simple as you’ve called it,no changes at corner, but I’ve read that Barrett may back Lynch – comment? Otherwise, it is what it is. Tough calls, and I’m glad the I’m just bloviating here and not creating our next seasons roster. Thanks for showing us the ins and outs, HT

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by broncobear on Jun 13, 2008 5:46 PM MDT   0 recs

Very good stuff Bear!

I agree. Harris and Powell is a close call. Even Mallard isn’t safe (as you point out).

Padilla is intriguing. Is Denver signaling the need for more help at MLB? By this, I mean to imply that it is possible that the person they wanted as a MLB back-up is who they may have decided looks good backing at SAM. It’s too early for that kind of intrigue, but it’s a thought.

Larsen may be possible at SAM, given that ILBs are a little more well rounded (generaly speaking) than a lot of LBs. On the other hand, I think I read that he’s not a terribly fast guy. That’s ok for a MLB, but most systems prefer speed at SAM. I think DJ, Doom, and Bailey have a shot at pro-bowl years.

Barrett backing Lynch intrigues me a lot! It may signal that we are moving towards a two deep coverage SAF program, which I’m a huge fan of. It also signals that at least two (maybe three) of the following players may be out of a job: Cargile, Manuel, McCree, and Hamza.

Great thoughts Doc!

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Jun 13, 2008 10:40 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Cargile was cut already

when they signed UFA’s. I think the Browns picked him up. I hope he does well – at last years SF preseason game, I thought he was one of the more impressive guys on the pitch.

As for Padilla – I saw his college squad play maybe 5 or 6 years ago. My sister was studying at Tec de Monterrey and we went to a football game against their main rival. Other than the one or two completed passes (total) in the game, and trying to yell the correct rules to the refs in Spanish, it was not so exciting. Having seen the level of play, I cannot imagine that Padilla is primed to make an immediate impact.

Can you elaborate a little on the “two deep coverage SAF program”? Why would Barrett signal a switch that way? I am not sure I get what that is…

As always, great stuff.

by jonahsilas on Jun 16, 2008 2:50 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

2 deep

There are three schools of thought on how to use a SS. One idea is to have him deep (my preference), one is “in the box”, and the third is “46” (which looks very much like “in the box”, but is very different).

Here, like with many schemes, it depends on the school of though that you subscribe too. One way isn’t better than others, it’s just opinion. Most defensive systems can use 2-deep or in the box schemes, but 46 is a system in itself. (Some systems are one way or the other. Cover two is a 2 deep scheme program, though the real point of the program is what is done with the front seven).

The way I was taught to think of safeties is that safeties are like goalies. They defend a team from the big play. With two “deep coverage safeties”, the two players spend most of their time dividing the deep field in half, and zoning out threats like deep passes or run plays that break big.

Barrett may signal a switch, because he is more of a coverage safety than a box kind of safety. I may do a University article on SAFs, since I love the safety position so much, and you raised such a good question.

Here is part of a contribution I made to Styg’s excellent series about Lynch:

The role of the free safety

There are many roles for each of the two safety positions, and these roles depend on the systems they are utilized in.

The free safety is commonly the fast safety and is the true “goaltender” on a team. His combination of speed and his ability to make open field tackles make him the “last line of defense”. The term “free” is debated, but most coaches I know ascribe the term to the fact that a free safety is almost always zoned deep, and thus “free” to do what he wants; “free” from the assignments placed on the other defensive players. Thus he needs to be smarter than the average player, because he needs to see the play unfold and react accordingly.

Sometimes the free safety is used in other roles. The term for a blitzing free safety, in coach speak, is “monster”. When the free safety assists a cornerback in covering a dangerous receiver, he is said to be “on double coverage”. (The receiver himself is “in” double coverage). The most common assignment other than playing a deep zone is playing one of the many other zones on the field based on what the offense shows. At the pro-level, most free safeties are assigned to the zone they will cover on a play by play basis. The most elite free safeties make the adjustment themselves, and then adjust further within their zone as the play starts.

When caught against a three receiver set, the free safety may go into man coverage against the slot receiver. This often depends on the match up in terms of personnel, as well as the capabilities of the strong safety, and the system approach of the particular defense.

The primary defensive role of the free safety is to prevent long pass plays. A common theme taught to high school free safeties is to “keep the entire play in front of you”. In other words, don’t let an opposing pass eligible player get behind you. Cover the deepest threat. Drills often focus on running backwards, so that the free safety can watch the play unfold as he back pedals to stay between any receivers and the goal line. For this reason, good eyesight is a must. A free safety that can read the eyes of a quarterback from such a distance is a valuable asset.

On occasion a run play will blow by the front seven. Now the free safety must close the distance and bring down a runner who is likely bigger than he is. For this reason, the good mechanics of tackling are a must.

Many fans would love to see a free safety with good hands for interceptions, but this is not a must. Given his role as “last line of defense”, it is a dangerous prospect to go for an interception. If the attempt fails the opponent may get the ball. Even if the ball is tipped it may go to the wrong guy. Because of their unique role, many free safeties are coached early on to bat down the ball. Higher schemes found in college and the pros allow for more athleticism and judgment by the player to weigh the risks. In the pros, good hands are considered icing on the cake.

The role of the strong safety

The strong safety is another matter altogether. In some systems he is indistinguishable from the free safety. He is typically the slower of the two but more physical. He still needs speed, but not as much as a free safety. He should be able to keep up with most, but not all receivers in the League.

His assignments vary widely. The strong safety lined up on the strong side by tradition (the side that the tight end on the offense lines up on). This is almost always on the offense’s right and the defense’s left. He is not called the “strong” safety because he is stronger than the other safety as many might think (though the description is generally correct).

He may cover half of the field in deep zone while his partner covers the other half. He may be assigned to cover the tight end, depending on the type of strong side outside linebacker the defense employs. He may be used in zones based on research of the opponent’s “down and distance” tendencies. He may be assigned as a “spy” (the term for a player assigned to cover a rushing quarterback). He may be assigned on double coverage. He may also be called on to act as an additional linebacker, turning a 4-3 defense into a 4-6 look (but probably with more of a 4-4 approach than a true 4-6 approach). He may also be a blitz option.

The strong safety is an interesting animal. He is typically the “lesser” of the two safeties in terms of zone coverage (the heart of the safety position), but is also more versatile. Teams generally take a player to be a free safety, and the “ideal” safety gets the “free” spot. It is odd to think that the “strong” position is often the “second place” position, but there is no shame in getting second place. The player that is the strong safety is typically more suited to play the position anyway.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Jun 17, 2008 6:06 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Bear

MattR posted this in another post:

16 teams were assigned a player (the other 16 had one last year). It is basically a guy who can practice with the team and play in the preseason but he can not play in the regular season. He is just there for developmental purposes with the goal that the players will bring the extra knowledge back home.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Jun 13, 2008 10:52 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Human Factor

As you mentioned HT, there is the human side of this. Coaches have the advantage of seeing how hard these guys work in practice and (more importantly as thankfully it seems the Broncos are focusing on this year) how well they interact with the rest of the team.
To make a small point: As a High School coach of another sport. When it came down for time to go to state. I made a point of taking the guys who were the hardest workers as alternates not necessarliy the most talented. If I was lucky it was both. It sent a message to the team.

Granted this is pro football but my point is some of these guys may have attributes we can’t account for because we don’t get to see them at work everyday. And that I’m sure is why the coaches will be pulling thier hair out. :)

by ThorpeBroncosfan on Jun 13, 2008 11:35 PM MDT   0 recs

Amen Thorpe

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Jun 14, 2008 7:36 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree.

You’re right, it is Pro football. However, you never really know a player until you see him every day in practice, as a coach myself, I need players I can count on. It seems too often in the pro game, players are kept around for talent sometimes more than work ethic. I think in the long run that is costly to a team. Last year on my Basketball team I had a kid that just busted his tail every day and another who was the most talented but might be there one night and not the next. The player who gave the most effort every night was the one that started for me from the get go, because he was a team player that I could count on, and by the end of the year he was also the most talented of the two. He was my starting point guard on a league champoinship team. We were a better team when he was on the floor and that is what it is all about. A player who is willing to work hard will usually become the better asset to the team is the point I’m making. One player that comes to mind is Jerry Rice, he was known for his outstanding work ethic and that is a big part of why he was the greatest WR to ever play the game.

The player who thinks he can and the player who knows he can are two different players, which one are you???

by Broncofan on Jun 14, 2008 9:39 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

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