What Shanny did was defer payments with interest from 1996-98 to certain players. In respect those certain players were not cut. It was due to the fact at the time the Broncos were cash poor. This ass clown who bagged on Shanny is a hack and does not do research. So in 2005 denver lost a 3rd round pick. Lets see, taping other teams signals deferring pmts. Which is real cheating

Broncos Penalized Again for Salary Cap Violations

By Mark Maske
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, September 17, 2004; 5:37 PM

The penalties imposed Thursday on the Denver Broncos for violations of the league’s rules regarding the disclosure of deferred compensation to players and the salary cap were the second sanctions against the team for similar infractions in less than three years.

In December 2001, the Broncos were fined $968,000 and lost a third-round pick in the 2002 draft for violations reportedly relating to $29 million in deferred payments to quarterback John Elway and running back Terrell Davis.

it sounds like they just failed to properly disclose the deferred payments. the deferred payments were allowed by the league, but something about the way they were disclosed led to the fines and loss of a draft pick. does that sound about right?

When one intentionally circumvent the rules to gain a competitive advantage, that by definition is cheating. When one does such a thing (as Shanahan did, and was penalized twice for), it pretty much gives you zero credibility when you talk about how you are looking for “high character” people to fill your football team.

You have to have character if you expect it from others.

IMO, Shanahan has no character. So, to expect something from others that he does not expect from himself is probably a major reason why he has done nothing in Denver since John Elway retired.

To invoke the great James Carville, it’s the Quarterback, stupid. It’s easy to look like a genius when you have a great QB. Denver has been routinely competitive over the years, even with Brian Griese and Jake Plummer at QB. Also, making an AFC Championship game is not “nothing.”

BigBlue, how illustrious was the Colts’ history during the period between Unitas and Manning? Now THAT was a drought. Even with a pretty good QB like Bert Jones, there were no championships for those Colts. Great QBs aren’t promised to you. Usually you have to suck really bad to get one (like the Colts did when they got Manning.) Since the merger, the Broncos have never once sucked that bad. The highest they’ve ever picked since the advent of the Common Draft was 4th (twice.) In fact, in the last 30 years, the Broncos have been both the winningest team, and the most consistent team in the NFL (both are statistically provable.)

We have our QB now, and his early performance compares favorably to Brady and Manning, so watch out in the coming seasons. And heaven forbid Peyton goes down for an extended period of time. You may get a flashback to Tampa in the 90s and see what a genius Tony Dungy really isn’t. Prepare to join the national sportswriters in being reminded once again that what was in the past has no bearing on what will be in the future.

Is denver doesnt pipe in noise, the Broncos did not leave Baltimore in the middle of the night. (since you are rehashing old news) Denver has not had the #1 overall pick 4 times. Shanahan has 2 rings. Indy has a pretty good team and a great QB, but what ever caused you to get so bent on bashing Shanny IDK. Generally I like to hear what others are saying but they are more often than not respectable and have good arguments. I cant believe you make some of the fader posters look like mensas

Care to address that BigBlueShoe?

Wanna compare how our teams play the Patriots?

Like Denver wouldn’t have had John Elway and TD on the team if it weren’t for this cap thing? That is just a stupid, idiotic thought and isn’t even worth our time to argue about. LMAO LMAO, it just cracks me up that this fruitcake thinks that in the first place.

that sure got everyone going. i got the answer i was looking for right away, and just like i thought shanahan didn’t do anything that resembles cheating in my book. i am proud to have him on our sidelines.

I think you are a fool if you go around pointing your finger to hard. I don’t think any team in the NFL doesn’t have something they have done including the colts. By the way let me know how things go after manning retires.

Coach Shanahan:
Posted the most wins in pro football history in a three-year period (46 in 1996-98).
Won the most postseason games in history over a two-year period (seven, 1997-98).
Been undefeated and untied for three consecutive regular seasons (1996-98) at home, just the second team ever to be undefeated and untied at home in three consecutive years.
-In 2004, he joined the exclusive club of head coaches to post 100 wins in his first 10 seasons with one club, finishing the campaign and decade tied for fourth on this ultra-impressive list of 12 coaches, six of whom are in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
-Joins Vince Lombardi, Don Shula, Chuck Noll, Jimmy Johnson and Bill Belichick as the only six coaches to win back-to-back Super Bowls.
He is the second coach in history to win two Super Bowl titles in his first four years coaching a team (Shula did it first and Belichick did it later, winning two Super Bowls in his first four seasons in New England).
Highest winning percentage in Denver history (.646).
-Shanahan is one of seven coaches in pro football history to post four wins in one postseason along with Tom Flores, Joe Gibbs, Brian Billick, Bill Cowher, Tony Dungy and Tom Coughlin.
Only coach with seven postseason wins in a two-year period.
-The all-time high of 636 points in a season came from the 1994 Super Bowl Champion San Francisco 49ers, for whom Shanahan was the offensive coordinator.
-During his NFL career, Shanahan has been a part of teams that have played in 10 Conference Championship Games, in addition to his six Super Bowl appearances, five with Denver and Super Bowl XXIX with San Francisco.

I think the facts speak for themselves.

Average Wins Per Season – Fully Played Seasons 1978-2007

1. Denver 9.71
2. Pittsburgh 9.43
3. San Francisco 9.21
4. Miami 9.14
5. Dallas 9.00

22. Indianapolis 7.50

Coefficient of Variation – Fully Played Seasons 1978-2007 (Lowest Value Indicates Highest Degree of Consistency)

1. Denver 0.23
2. Pittsburgh 0.26
3. Minnesota 0.27
4. Seattle 0.28
5. Arizona 0.29
5. Miami 0.29

32. Indianapolis 0.49

That’s a hell of a 28 season sample, isn’t it? I have all of the source data behind this if anybody likes large Excel files and pivot tables. I did a data analysis project in college with it, and have continued to update it in recent years, because I think it’s good stuff to know.

Methodology-wise, coefficient of variation is defined as mean divided by standard deviation. Also, the 1982 and 1987 seasons are excluded due to being shortened by labor stoppages, to maintain the assumption that 6 wins is a bad season (it wasn’t in the 9-game 1982 season, for example.) Ties are counted as non-wins, or, essentially, losses for this purpose.

I think I’m happy with how the Broncos have fared in that time. It shoots Big Blue’s theory that the Broncos have been mediocre right out of the water. I remember reading Moneyball and being struck by Billy Beane’s theory is that making the playoffs each year is the mark of being successful, and that winning once you get there is secondary to giving yourself a chance to do so. Sometimes, you’re the 2005 Steelers and you get some breaks and win a Super Bowl just by giving yourself a chance. That team beat the Broncos in an AFC Championship game, but the week before that, it beat an arrogant Colts team that was supposed to be one of the greatest ever. Only one team can win a championship each year, so this notion that Shanny is a failure for not winning more in the postseason lately is just stupid. And, there’s always this year.

Coefficient of variation is Standard Deviation divided by the Mean. It must be early in the morning for me to screw that up.

I love a few stats myself, but the ability that you all have to look historically, analytically and effectively at the issues at hand and to defend your positions logically is absolutely great. Most ‘invaders’ (Klingons?) don’t last simply becuase they don’t realize what they are getting into until it’s too late. I’m not always sure whee you get your stats (any help here) but I’m utterly impressed at your abilities.

Of course, having the #1 team in the NFL over the last 30 some years sort of helps, doesn’t it? And the #1 coach, and…....Yep.

Cutting through all the fog, Big B.S. has two ultimate positions. #1 is that Shanahan has no character, or rather has bad character. #2 is that he is a bad coach.

Big B.S. has only one criterium for this position; that Shanahan cheated. The only fact he has to support that criterium is the failure to report renegotiated contracts.

This poverty of criteria and facts, in and of itself, is suspect. However, it is not totally fatal to his position. It is possible that a person can totally destroy his or her character in a single act. For example, consider the preacher who cheats on his wife or the quiet librarian who murders her husband, or the team owner who sneaks his team out of town in the dead of night.

But is this failure to report contract renegotiations such an act? Of course not. Even at it’s worst, this is a disagreement about what the contract between the owners meant, a common problem in all businesses.

But first we must determine is whether Shanahan did anything at all. The reports quoted above do not say he did. The Broncos themselves say it was an accounting problem and those responsible were fired.

Big B.S. offers no credible response.

Big B.S. has only two criteria for this position. One is the criterium supra which has already been addressed. The second is his record since Elway retired. You all have addressed that issue well beyond my abilities.

Big B.S. had no credible response.

Furthermore, Big B.S. has apparantly run away. This is evidence of bad character on his part. He either lacks courage to stand and fight for his position or was wrong in the first place and does not have the personal integrity to admit it. Either way, this bodes ill for his positions.

The rest is smoke, mirrors and ad hominem attacks.

WHEREFORE we are forced to the conclusion that Big B.S. was in error.

Go to the corner Big B.S.

L.M.A.O. this 18th day of June, 2008.

Well said, Trinidad Jack. Our fan-base is supremely disappointed in a 7-9 record. This is a testament to the quality of our coach, and of the whole organization. The Broncos have never been in a full rebuilding mode in the last 2 decades since I became a fan of the team. They reload as best they can, and always keep trying to win. You’d never see a Tankapalooza (eg Colts circa 1997) season from a Shanahan/Bowlen team.

Imagine a period of 19 seasons (excluding 2 strike-shortened years) where the Broncos averaged 5.68 wins. It can’t even be imagined at this point. That’s what the Colts fan-base enjoyed between 1978 and 1998. By the way, excluding 1982 is doing them a big favor, because the Colts were 0-8-1 that year. That tie must have been sweet. I would think that when you’re that abysmal, kissing your sister is better than nothing. Of course, that horrible year led to the Colts selecting John Elway. Maybe that’s what the Big BSer is really salty about.

And you’re right about those abysmal years the Colts had. That probably factors into Big B.S.’s emotions though certainly not his intellect.

I didn’t used to be a big fan, but I have to say that when the Broncos lost Xmas eve he said something like; ‘Give the Chargers credit, they are a good team and I hope they represent the AFC West well in the playoffs’. Given all the jawing and heat on the field, I thought that showed a lot of class. Any team should be proud having him or Dungy at the helm in my opinion.